₦airaland Forum

Miss EZ: Bpriest, honestly i cant tell you what the appropriate step would be o. I do not think it should be legalized. I also do not think it should be criminalized. Homosexuality is indeed foreign to our culture. I am speaking more from the point of view of maintaining ones freedom to associate with whomever they please as long as it does not infringe against the right of others or cause harm to someone else.

I hear you when you say it is the law. the law should be respected. But this is one law that should not have been passed IMO. Homosexuality is something that will probably never be accepted in Nigeria and i am very okay with that. I just dont think that a homosexual should go to jail for being gay.

I n c e s t does not infringe on the rights of others.

But you said they are sick.

Homosexuals were considered lunatics sometimes ago too.

Until they blackmailed the American Medical Association to remove it from psychiatric ailment.

Some years from now, especially when the first product of i n c e s t becomes the president of America or one prime minister in Europe, then they will come hear to preach some deranged human right.

Miss EZ: Porka, neither should be accepted. That does not mean it should be criminalized. I was using gay marriage as an example.

Why are you warning me? This law has no effect on me personally. But just because something does not affect me does not mean i cannot debate it. So there is a death penalty for homosexuality in the North. Well guess what, i served in the North, some of their top politicians are gay or bi. When i asked why, they said it was a power thing. Kind of like passing the baton or whatever silly excuse they gave.

Do not mistake my debating the law as me being in support of homosexuality. I support the preservation of human rights of people. People have the right to associate with whomever they please.

By the way, don't twist my words. I talked about mental illness in regards to incest and not homosexuality and my response was my personal opinion on the issue of incest. I have no idea why people chose a homosexual lifestyle, neither can i tell you why people would engage in incest. All i can do is guess

Now, can you see why you have to be warned?

The new law when passed will have direct effect on you personally. This is aside of the existing law currently.

In the new law, if you know any politician as you claim you currently do, who practices homosexuality and fail to report to the authority, and it is discovered that you are concealing the information as you are currently doing, you are in for a lengthy jail time.

Homosexuality is not a human right in Nigeria, you read what Nigerian representatives told the whole world at the UN.

Deal with it.

ojimbo: Obama should come and marry me and hand over my green card with my residential permit to me, hahahahaha, hustling continues in U S A,,,,,, useless western world, am on my way to chicken republic with my girlfriend jooooo, God bless our marriage

17 trillion dollars debt to foreigners is now their new idol.

Their towns are going bankrupt.

In six months time they will go borrow more.

They've given them what they will worship for several generations.

Did you see how foreigners - Chinese, Japanese and the IMF scolded them during their childlike fight over other people money?

They quickly behaved almost like a helpless beggar.

Miss EZ: Isnt that what you do with mentally ill patients? What purpose does putting them in jail serve?

So ask the European and American governments who put them in jail.

Are you saying homosexuals are lunatics by any way though?

vire: well maybe cos i dont have hate in my heart....i have an understanding of things that must be.....i am not being sympathetic but seeing the future from the present....Our leaders will bend once their hidden loots in swiss banks are threatened....there is a shadow govt in every govt and i dont see them not wining this war in Nigeria

lol...

We shall see.

Miss EZ: The truth is law does not make anything impossible. Every armed robber knows that the law specifies that he be put to death if caught. Every fraudster knows that being caught means jail time.

I think the main issue here is that Nigerians can say we do not support homosexuality, therefore, you will not be allowed to get married or reap the benefits that come with the institution which in the US is a lot (healthcare, pension, etc). But to go for jail time for homosexuality? Really? It is just overkill. I no even know why i de argue this issue. Abeg where my bf.

It's contradictory.

We do not support homosexuality where is the marriage coming from?

You mean we should accept homosexuality but not homosexual marriage?

Try harder.

Homosexuality is illegal in Nigeria.

It carries maximum 14 years imprisonment on conviction.

It carries the death penalty in 14 Sharia compliant states in the North.

Be warned.

Miss EZ: For that to happen, there must be a deep psychological (mental illness) on the part of the parent. For a child to agree to sleep with their parent, they must either be ignorant, were brought up poorly or have some form of mental illness. Either ways, the parent bears more of the responsibility in this case because they should know better

Ok, so you take them to psychiatric hospital or what would you do?

Miss EZ: Well said Uyi. A reasonable approach would have been a ban on gay marriage, and not necessarily jail time. But trust us to go overboard. Smh.

Any ban/law should carry a consequence otherwise it is not a ban but an advise.

Jail time is a civilize modern method of enforcing a ban/law.

wman: Rape is different from consentual & mutual sex.

What about consensual and mutual sex between a parent and an offspring?

Uyi Iredia: I agree with Miss EZ the law is wrong in the manner it handles the matter. Imprisoning gays for 14 year just for being so is wrong. A preemptive law I surmise could and should have been nade that merely made gay marriage impossible without necessarily being punitive. But then Nigeria is quite ridiculous when it comes to law. I have attended registry wedding where I've to hear polygamy ornpolyandry is punishable by 9 years in prison.

Marriages conducted under native laws and customs are not subject to that mind you.

What is the essence of your preemptive law without punishment please tell.

How has that preemptive law made i n c e s t impossible wherever it being applied?

ludot: Thanks for the definitions. The bottom line is that they are all sins. Are they not?

Yes, more than that, homosexuality is a crime in Nigeria.

wman: Any one thinking homosexualism won't be eventually legalised in Nigeria is just fooling his/her self. These are the last days.

Years ago it was a taboo to have sex before marriage according to both tradition and religion. Now it is the norm.

Lets follow censorship of movies and T.V series.

In the early 20th century who would have thought that nudity would be shown on live T.V and still be rated 16. Now we have:
Spartacus
True Blood
Game of Thrones
Board Walk Empire
Rome e.t.c

Main stream movies rated PG 14 now show the naked boo.bs and asses of girls without their pussy showing e.g
Titanic
American Pie
Bad Teacher
Snow White and the huntsman e.t.c (I rarely watch movies so I can't name more but I'm sure u can fill in more yourself)
These movies are shown on channels and other local T.V stations by 10 p.m upwards. Even 8 year olds watch them. The unacceptable has thus become the norm.

Lets move to Nollywood. Showing side boo.bs was wrong b4 but now its okay. Showing the actor your frontal view while backing the camera was wrong b4 but now its cool.

So many music videos that would be banned in the 90's are now allowed.

Even in the manner of dressing. B4 the term mini-skirt was used but its no longer used as such skirts & dresses are even worn to religious institutions.

Songs with profane lyrics are on the rise. The censorship board relax their rules every year.

Our forefathers wouldn't have believed it if they were told that pre marital sex would be the norm.

In the 1960s if they had told our parents that T.V series with nude scenes would be the norm, they would argue with u that its impossible.

Anyone with half a brain would study the trend worldwide.

As long as there are immoral people to support an act & as long as that act doesn' t affect other people's lifes, it would come to stay.

Cocaine, heroine and other hard drug use is also the trend worldwide, anyone with one trillionth a brain will know that.

So also credit card fraud, terrorism, gun violence etc.

NDLEA will soon relax its rules, Nigeria Police will soon be disbanded while the Nigerian A r m e d Forces would be converted to farmers to the dismay of our forefathers.

You are comparing sleep with death.

dahfweshdude69: jeez...dis world is in shambles...d present generation can say no but Wat about d upcoming generations...am 17 and I have dis friend who thinks homosexuality should b allowed... he has so many homo pals...now imagine if. Dat pal finds himself in power...we dey battle boko... ASUU never call of strike...now homo peeps are bringing dere own trouble... only GOD can save us....

We've had 419 kingpins in power before.

We've had (still do have) corrupt people in power; in the executive, legislature and judiciary.

They are consistently exposed and shamed.

We wait for your friends and his pals.

Miss EZ: Porka, if you have a point to make, please do so with respect.

My response to your question would be, why would you want to sleep with a member of your family? I hope you have gone through my previous post to see my stance on homosexuality. I am not in support of the lifestyle, but i do not think it should be criminalized.

I will borrow your question.

Why would you, a woman, want to sleep with another woman?

ludot: People are so quick to shout 'death to homosexuals'

How does homosexuality differ from fornication and adultery?

If you have never committed fornication or adultery before then you are free to cast the first stone.

Homosexuality is man sleeping with or having sexual affection towards a man or woman sleeping with or having sexual affection towards a woman.

Fornication and Adultery are betrayal of trust either as a single or married person.

bionicdude: i've got nothing against gays,they can experiment any way they want as long as they don't do dat Poo near me.I still luk forward to getting sum punnani rather than sticking my dong into sum dude's anus

It's got nothing to do with what you have against homosexuals.

It is against Nigerian law.

Some people don't have anything against fraudsters as long as they are not the victims.

Miss EZ: At Sagamite,

Guess i met you on a good day. I can only judge from my discussion with you today. Me i no be nairaland ninja so i guess i miss a lot of the action.

In terms of interpretation of the law, i agree that certain stipulations are subject to the country's understanding or interpretation of that law. I still however think that there is no reason why homosexuality should be a criminal offence.

What is the reason why i n c e s t is a criminal offense?

Cause your white gods say so perhaps.

[quote author=NotoriousB.ig]In time,this act will be accepted in Nigeria. These white countries especially america, are doing everything possible to make the world gay. they use the media to propagate their perverted plans. you now see in movies and cartoons they make being gay cool. It's just a matter of time before the whole world is gay. i just hope it's not in my generation though, cuz i can't afford to be shagging a guy from behind.[/quote]Slavery ended long long time ago meanwhile.

chineloSA: "WHAT YOU RESIST PERSISTS"

No matter what the FG can do, there will always be gays in our society. In the closet or out of the closet.

You will be shocked at the number of Nigerian man in foreign lands, who are gays. Sleeping and experimenting with Oyibo man.

I do not support a nannystatism . Some sort of discretion should be left for individuals/ society to decide for themselves and some should be left for the government to exercise their power.

Is it the gays that cause poverty, disease, illiteracy etc?? How about focusing on such issues and leave HOMOSEXUALITY to individuals.

SEXUAL PREFERENCES AND CHOICES SHOULD BE LEFT FOR INDIVIDUALS.


I am ready to be attacked by a school of pirhanas ( Anti-gays )

Yes, there are also armed robbers and pedophiles and terrorists and fraudsters and hard drug barons amongst us.

No, it is not the a r m e d robbers and pedophiles and terrorists and fraudsters and hard drug barons that caused poverty, disease, illiteracy etc, but they are criminals under our laws.

mickyarams: Nigerians with their funny mentality. Universities have been on strike for almost 6 months now, Corruption has made us the laughing stock of the world. Just mention the word Nigeria abroad and people will start laughing, and the government are getting their knickers in a twist over gay people. Brainless tw*ts!

You are free to renounce your nationality to save you from your deep complex.

They laughed at the Chinese for decades until they started borrowing money from them to feed.

Lilimax: Good!
They should also speak-out about corruption

We are doing that all the time.

Read the news more often.

wman: Funny how so many would love watching lesbians perform in por.n films & enjoy threes.omes with 2 girls involved yet they say they are anti-gay.
So many have watched Pirates & have other por.n movies with girl to girl acts on their phones & computers yet dem dey claim anti-gay.

Yes same sex marriage should be prohibited but anyone should feel free to sleep with whom he likes in his private room.

I'm not gay not do I support it but I feel what two consenting adults do with their d.ick & asse.s in their private room is no ones business but theirs.

But I'm against accepting it publicly & joining them under the holy matrimony called marriage.

The 15 years jail term is wrong. 2 guys/girls wishes to do it & its no ones business.

I think everyone should have a right to a private life regardless of what others think so far his/her private life affects no other person negatively & he/she is willing to bear the consequence of such.

#nohomo.

No, you are not free to sleep with anyone you like.

You are not free to sleep with your father for instance, even though you are both adults.

If you are caught, you will go to jail and possibly ostracize by the community.

It is not our culture, get used to it.

Gwekzy: Wat about Under age marriage

It is being tackled.

What about bestiality in other countries?

It is legal in some part of Europe except there's a proof of cruelty to the beast involved.

iyeyemi: a nation with ridiculously high levels of corruption and all round shamelessness, suddenly remembers it has values and traditions.

Yes, we have high level corruption already.

We don't want to add to it.

Homosexuality is the highest level of corruption known to man.

emmalexabl: ..[b]92% of nigerians opposed it.,that shows we still get conscience.
This homosexual act is unnatural and dirty in every aspect.[/b]

A Pew report actually says 98%

vire: time is already telling....they are wining the war....more people are getting inclined to homosexuality....like i said....guys would love to see two girls have sex than two guys...so a few of us are being won over

More people will spend time behind bars.

Sagamite: This is so true!

The minute Frank Ocean declared he was an homosexual, I knew many awards and invites to major events were coming his way.

The previously unknown Jason Collins the basketballer, all of a sudden, started presenting awards on MTV this year.

The gay argument has been successful not my logical arguments, but by pure propaganda that attacks the senses of simpletons.

Hollywood has been promoting the culture of extreme gun violence for eons too meanwhile.

And we've continued to criminalize the same gun violence culture.

pazienza: Gay issue is one that time will sort out, it's only normal that people resist what they perceive as evil change, Christianity and it's doctrines were once resisted, it took years and time for people to accept such a change. The ancestors that fought Christianity are dead, their descendants have come to accept Christianity foreign doctrines, so will the homophobic parents die off, and be replaced by homo friendly descendants. Give it a generation or two, and this will no longer be an issue.

Christianity is equal to homosexuality?

Or what?

Can we also infer that Americans and Europeans oppose to Islamic Jihad currently will die off and their descendants will accept it in a generation or two?

ifebosco: the same way does slave masters in america in the 18 and 19centuries used the bible to perpetuate their art of barbaric slave trade,Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. you and many of you are using the bible to sell hatred.im not a gay and will never hate anybody because of his sexual orientation

What's your view on i n c e s t?

vire: Well i am not a supporter of same sex marriage but how long they can hold on is the problem..Nigerians may not support it now but how long can this opposition hold.A lot of the younger generation is accepting homosexuality and soon the tides will change..The western Nations have the money and Media to propagate same sex ideologies and trust me Nigeria will be the new heaven for all these propaganda...every movie, song, news and sitcoms will feature a scene to help show that homosexuality should be accepted.. There is a way of science whereby if you keep reading or seeing a particular thing for a long time it becomes the norm....we were a nation where going nude was a taboo but now its the new way to define sexy

Spartacus was designed to achieved this.

It failed woefully.

The youth are even more resentful of homosexuality in Nigeria.

Conduct your own survey.

Nigeria's government should be commended for making it a legal issue otherwise, Indian r a p e issue would be a child's play.

occam: Perhaps you should have kept quite. Coming from a lecturer, this response was so inappropriate. You should have simply enlightened him, presented the facts and move on. Addressing a student with such contempt is very unethical

The huge amount quoted (in bold) applies only to foreign students. In Canada for instance, citizens pay far less than foreign students. In addition low income students or those whose parents' income fall below a threshold receive student loans and grant (ranging from $9,000 - $23,000 per year). Only 30 % of loans are repayable after completion of studies.

So in effect, university education is subsidized for low income earners. Sadly, Nigerian student do not get this kind of help from government.

Public university education is highly subsidized in Nigeria.

Demdem: The real reason why we all should support ASUU now and make sure the last time they will ever go on strike will be 2013

If that's your reason then you don't know ASUU.

ASUU strike is a test that their new executive must pass in order not to be seen as weak.

Every ASUU president must declare a strike action.

ASUU will embark of strike action for any and every single thing no matter how frivolous.

If it's not earned allowance, it's retirement age.

If a state government appointed a VC for its university funded by it who is not ASUU candidate, ASUU will declare a national industrial action.

If an ASUU member is penalized for indiscipline be rest assured that ASUU will be on strike the next day.

ASUU will declare a strike action for petroleum subsidy removal etc.

You just have to check the reasons for past ASUU strikes before raising your optimism.