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wman: God I can't believe a reasonable human being is arguing like this. So you still don't understand?
The whole shit you typed above shows how intelligent you are.
So with all I typed you couldn't understand my point?

A thief, murderer, kidnapper affects someone in the society negatively
A thief stealing your property would ruin you and make you unhappy (It affects you negatively and it affects all parties involved negatively)
A murderer kills you ( Your whole family, friends, colleagues e.t.c are affected)

Even a 6 year old understands all these.
Did you go to school at all?
How old are you?

For the umpteenth time tell me how two gays/lesbians sleeping with themselves in their personal room affects you or any one else personally.

Don't even start about diseases that only affect the gays/lesbians personally.

You are being clever by half.

If you or your sister or brother is engaged in homosexuality, your entire generation will go for it one way or another.

Your life and that of your entire family nuclear and extended family will be made miserable.

You will be forced, against your will, to seek for asylum that your gods, doubting you, may deny.

You may end up committing suicide eventually.

The community will be forced to make necessary rituals to avert evil befalling the land.

So tell us how someone's murder affects you personally?

ccollins: Given that the acceptance of SSM will also increase
the acceptance of SS relationships, I'd expect the
number of gay men and women who get into hetero
marriages to conform should decrease, which should increase the average happiness of a marriage.
While there will always be infidelity, I'd suspect that
the average number of partners someone has
decreases after marriage, which should slow down
transmission of STDs.
Some hetero people who know think marriage is a
joke or a waste might change their minds given how important it is to those denied it. I'm pro-marriage,
so I consider this a good thing.
Perhaps a married SS couple would be more likely to buy a house than a cohabiting one, because of the
greater security. If this is true, greater demand would increase house prices (or stop the slide) which is a
very good thing for many of us.

Now it is all about money for you right?

All suspected though.

It's bad business in Nigeria sha.

wman: Explain how homosexualism is the greatest corruption in the world.

Google corruption wman, the ones I've explained to you since morning is coming in from one ear and going out from the other.

DIY.

wman: Thank you I wonder how someone in his right senses would say homosexualism is the worst form of corruption in the world. Shows how smart the person is.

Yes, show how smart you are by telling us what corruption means.

iyeyemi: Again, statements like this one explains why we will never be a great nation.

Again, a statement like this explains why a pander will continue to have more value than some blacks in the opinion of their gods.

Homosexuality is your greatness? It is sickening.

wman: For Obatala's sake it would affect the relations of the person. [/b]The murder of the breadwinner of a family could impoverish the whole family e.t.c

I don't even have to start giving you more examples, you are intelligent enough to figure more out yourself.

Tell me how 2 gays/lesbians sleeping with themselves in their personal room is [b]your headache.

You ask me a question, I ask you back, but you won't answer how a murder of someone's breadwinner is your own headache.

Only to tell me the relation of the person.

Is s/he your breadwinner?

If not your breadwinner, how does it affect you?

wman: I replied someone in one of my previous posts. Prostitution is not banned in so many countries in the world and I don't think it should be banned and yet there are so many side effects e.g Trafficking. So many girls involved in prostitution are as a result of human trafficking. Underaged girls also are involved in prostitution also. Many involved in the prostitution industry are also involved in drugs e.t.c

Still I'm not against it. So don't ask me how prostitution affects me as a person. Come up with a right analogy.

Means you can be a prostitute giving the right consideration right?

Human trafficking involves all humanity, it is done in various ways, homosexuals are also trafficked.

Ellen De Generes "trafficked" an Australian girl to the US and married her.

She got left her - perhaps she was rescued - and is now married to a man.

Children are trafficked and sodomized too.

Russian government recently stopped the adoption of their children by Americans because of possible "sodomization".

wman: I'm a christian and I believe the following are wrong.

-Lying
-Premarital sex
-Masturbati.on
-Drinking to stupor e.t.c

So because I believe they are wrong should I say no man has a right to do them?
Should I say any man that does the above should be prosecuted.
No man! I can only tell them to stop it. I can't enforce it because It doesn't affect me personally it is their personal sin and has no effect in my personal life.


Now look at the following sins:
-Stealing
-Kidnapping
-Murder e.t.c

These would affect my personal life negatively and others so I believe those who engage in such should be prosecuted.

If you say homosexuals should be prosecuted on religious and moral grounds and you say those who lie, masturbat.e, should not then you are the greatest hypocrite in the world.

Oh, you are a christian?

James 2:19

How does someone's murder, kidnapping etc affect you personally if it's not you or your relation?

wman: I believe Incest is wrong and I believe homosexual-ism is wrong also. But I also believe each man has a right to do what he deems fit in his personal room

A 30 year old man sleeping with his 30 year old sister is not my business as long as it is consensual. Even though it is wrong to me, It is not my business. I dare not enforce my religious/moral belief on anyone.

A father sleeping with his young daughter should be arrested as the girl is too young to know wrong from right.

But a 30 year old woman and her 65 year old father sleeping together is repulsive to me but it is none of my business as they are both of legal age.

Same way homosexuality is repulsive to us.

I. n . c . e. s. t. is a crime in almost all part of the world (at least for now, before too much of opium will trigger another worldwide enforcement of their "rights"

Meaning it is all of the business of the entire world to not be like you and fold their arms.

And so it is our business to remove offensive and repulsive behaviors from our society also.

Again, you are probably just starting in your homosexual advocacy as you don't know that pedophiles whom you call for their arrest are also part of you and are now gathering to plan how to enforce their "human rights" borrowing your strategies.

And it has nothing to do with Nigeria or Sanni Yerima, it is right inside some of America's highest educational institutions, Harvard and John Hopkins Universities.

http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2011/08/26/why_are_we_surprised_with_the_push_for_pedophile_rights/page/full

Every argument you are using in your homosexual advocacy currently is what they are using too.

http://b4uact.org/

So when they push and push and perhaps succeed in getting the media and Hollywood to start accepting, propagating, propagandize, and one president, whose children help to hasten the process of his "evolution" on pedophilia comes to town, will you change your mind then?

wman: Donjazzy12 We all know that most gays prefer penetration without condoms. If they all used condoms all these won't happen.

So the only point you could bring out was STDs which is gay to gay.

You should have also said that government should imprison anyone who has sex without condoms

Still waiting for a salient point on how 2 gays/lesbians having sex in their personal room cause havoc for you.

How does prostitution affect you as a person?

wman: Donjazzy12 you are giving us examples on how it affects gays and lesbians itself.Each man to himself, it doesn't affect you so mind your business and stop poking into the lives of gays. Please tell us how it affects you personally and stop beating about the bush.

How does i n c e s t affect you as a person?

Or are you accepting of i n c e s t as well?

pazienza: Chill, homosexuals are not just males, they have females too, they are called lesbians. Gays can procreate with lesbians if need be. Though i know that your dislike for homosexuals emanates from disgust rather than the procreation angle.

Okay homosexuals can procreate through lesbians if need be.

So what stops i.n.c.e.s.t.u.o.u.s couples from procreating through someone else to avoid the genetic defect?

My dislike emanates from everything, disgust inclusive.

iamdsam: I support same sex marriage. It's your human right to be gay or not or even celibacy. The only thing I don't support for gays is the adoption of children. They shouldn't take what they can't produce. I support gay right. Stand up for gay rights. I think I gonna start a thread on this

You are deceiving yourself.

Read the post.

Nigerian representatives told the UN that such nonsense is not regarded as human rights here.

You are going to jail if we get you.

[quote author=MR.SANITY]This does not even make sense. Ban gay marriage, so what would be the consequence of going on with the marriage? a law without penalty is no law.[/quote]lol...

Some kind of social re-engineering programs still in the works perhaps.

wman: You are still giving problems caused by anti-homosexuals.

Give me a problem caused by two men/women bleeping themselves in a room.

Read it again for more insight.

Start from the beginning and read very slowly.

Then check what social strife means.

Also check, cause and effect.

Wish you well.

pazienza: Christianity was once a foreign import, just like homosexualism, hence the the comparision, no one is saying that they are the same.

American civilization is superior to that of arabs, there is no reason whatsoever for future americans to throw away their ways for that of an inferior people.

On the other hand, Nigeria is inferior to america on all fields of human endeavour, one doesn't need a prophet to predict what group culture will end up on top at the end.

After you have taken an overdose of HALUCINOGEN (they prescribed 2 tablets a day for you, one in the morning one in the night, but you emptied the bottle in a day) your sense has now evolved from that of a chicken to an embryo.

That is why you are touting your gods' superiority here.

Islamic Jihad and Arabs are not synonyms.

Arabs are a people, Islamic Jihad is a doctrine, an ideology. And it doesn't have to be violent necessarily, it could be subtle.

Like pushing for a Sharia legal system in Europe and America - it is already happening.

Or electing a Muslim or a secret Muslim who is sympathetic to Islam, perhaps like O.

American "civilization" (may be you mean culture) was built on Judeo-Christian values that generate from the Bible or Torah.

The religious books of the Jews and Christians, part of it are also in the Qur'an.

They are already throwing it away and it's a matter of time before they throw it out completely.

They used to be very proud of it until recently that they are becoming ashamed of it.

The same Arabs meanwhile are buying up their companies and cities paying down cash which they can use to feed - for the time being - before they go back to them to beg for more.

They are also infiltrating their governments.

By superiority, perhaps you mean advancement.

America is advanced in technology, military, finance, health, economy and science than most countries of the world, not only Nigeria.

But they are also self destructing leading to their collapse as a nation eventually.

Detroit, that symbol of America's prosperity and pride is bankrupt.

And there are others check out this map

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/18/detroit-isnt-alone-the-u-s-cities-that-have-gone-bankrupt-in-one-map/

But there may be a silver lining, when they pushed themselves to economic edge, and they cannot feed again, and their creditors dictate to them - as they did during the last budget fight - they will accept their non-superiority, eat the humble pie and turn back to God.

And one by one they will dismantle your hallucinogenic "superior civilization".

wman: Tell us how homosexuals affect the country negatively. Tell me how two men/women having sex with themselves in their private room would affect the country and the economy negatively.

It causes social tensions and strives.

The economy cannot function in these.

Riots can breakout while people get killed.

98% Nigerians say they can't accept such lifestyle.

You are well aware that anti homosexuals routinely beat-up homosexuals in the US every now and then.

The individuals involved, both the mob and the victims, will be economically non-productive at that time and beyond.

wman: Is prostitution banned?
Does prostitution attract a jail term?

Yes, prostitution is illegal in Nigeria.

wman: You never understood my post. I said so long as it affects no one else negatively.
Homosexualism affects no other than the 2 parties involved.
[b]Hard drug use has caused so much addictions and has led to many other vices.
[/b]Terrorism etc affects others negatively and worlwide the war against them is increasing and not waning.

Comprehend my post 1st and come up with a better arguement.
I dey wait u.

Nothing to comprehend really.

98% said they are against homosexuality in Nigeria.

How many more people do you want it to affect negatively, 100%?

Prostitution does not affect anyone more than the two people involved.

I.n.c.e.s.t affects no one.

Alcoholism has also caused so much addiction.

pazienza: Chill, homosexuals are not just males, they have females too, they are called lesibians. Gays can procreate with [b]lesibians [/b]if need be. Though i know that your dislike for homosexuals emanates from disgust rather than the procreation angle.

Ok, so lesibians carry homosexuals males' children right?

That's interesting, so why are they avoiding the male?

Is that not awkward/sick to you?

Is that not disgusting to you?

Bpriest: why none of them protested against the Bill ? There are no homosexuals in Nigerian. Some Nigerian(homosexuals) in the diaspora are trying to build their base here, but we say no .

Don't mind them my brother.

When they live in someone's country as economic refugees and forced to adapt to nonsensical way of life because of threat of deportation and they turn them to children who is being dictated to, ask them to change their names, tell them Africa is a jungle, make them even forget their parents, think they can come back here and dictate rubbish.

pazienza: There is no imposition here, the only imposition going on here is that of a priviledged majority, trampling on defenseless minority.

Homosexuals are only asking you to live and let them live, they are not forcing you to be a homosexual or be their friends, how does that translate to imposition?

On procreation, Nigerian population is too much, so i don't think we are having population shortage like they have in singapore, even if we do, homosexuals can still procreate as they are not infertile, ever heard of artificial insemination?

This is childish. Nigeria is too populous therefore allow homosexuals so they can be like Singapore? That's crappy.

Artificial insemination on whom?

On you male partner?

You still don't get it.

Homosexuality is repulsive to our us.

We won't allow it.

Get used to it.

Miss EZ: I meant against. Pardon my error.

Okay so the guy you are conversing with is not my friend. In case you haven't noticed, i am big on defining my relationships with people.

To your last point in your more recent post. Homosexuality is of no economic importance to Nigeria, and that is why i said it should not have gotten the amount of attention it did. Why? because we have bigger fish to fry.

At the end of the day, it doesnt really matter what i think about the law. It is already in place. For me, the only thing that homosexuality and the law has in common is that i do not support either of them. To each their own. I still think there are more important issues that the Nigerian Government can address.

Lots of them. And we must continue to push them to address them squarely.

And I've not seen any of the areas you mentioned that government does not have legislation.

Nevertheless, no government or people relegate one issue to the background with the mind of coming to tackle it later when it would have been too late.

We have problems, but this is a problem as well, for us.

If you don't eat pork, either for social or religious reasons, and someone comes to your house knowing fully well that you don't eat, and brought pork into your kitchen and start telling you that you must eat, would you tell him okay I am coming, let me go and fetch water?

Or your grand father just died, and someone is telling you that cremation is now accepted worldwide therefore you must cremate his body, will you tell him to wait until you sort out your school fees?

You would certainly stand up to him.

Man is a social being, he lives and dies in a social environment. Some people don't know how Nigerians are wired.

Nigerians will never accept this.

pazienza: Homosexuals relationships can't procreate, so the issue of children with genetic effects does not arise.

Homosexualism apart from disgusting homophobes has no effect whatsoever on the economy of a country or well being of a heterosexual.

The only crime of homosexualism is that it is disgusting to homophobes, every other argument homophobes put forward is to cover that.

This guy you are funny o.

Homosexuals can't procreate yet the economy is not affected?

Who will produce?

Aside that, have you heard of social conflicts before?

Does the economy thrive in social strife?

If 98% people say they don't want something and you want to impose it on them what economy do you want to run?

Or do you think economy is run by animals?

Miss EZ: Agreed, please start somewhere. Can we start from a place that actually has a great impact on the economy and the lives of citizens. Please start by addressing ASUU strike, Too much? okay how about electricity that was promised years ago, still too much? Okay lets do employment, no? Well how about healthcare...still not feeling it? Okay lets do corruption, still no deal? You see, the options for starting points are endless, but Nigerian government chose the most insignificant to start on. It is well o.

At Porka, Back to my first and original point. There are more important issues that Nigeria could focus on that will directly improve the lives of Nigerians. Can they address the issue of homosexuality? Of course. Is it of great importance right now? NO

We should just fold our arms because? No, we won't.

These are just lame excuses.

What is the economic importance of allowing homosexuality in Nigeria?

Will it solve unemployment, corruption, health care, insecurity etc problems?

Miss EZ: One of the downsides to homosexuality is they cannot have kids. If everyone was a homosexual and people refused to be surrogates, human beings will go extinct. That to me is a bigger case for homosexuality outside of religious beliefs.

For or against?

Meanwhile, your friend didn't get the point.

He brought an argument about the future generation for opposing i n c e s t because of genetic defect and can't even see that homosexuals cannot even produce children not to talk of defect or no defect.

Which one endangers humanity more?

pazienza: That incest has the capability of producing offsprings with genetic defects is a fact. Tell me the dangers that homosexualism pose to the nigerian economy and to non homosexuals.

Do homosexual have children genetic defect or not?

pazienza: Another wrong analogy. Cocain and heroine are drugs of addiction, they render the addicts useless, and incapable of taking care of themselves and unemployable, there by reducing the country's labour force, it also makes the addicts liable to crime and pose danger to others and to themselves, so these drugs are a serious concern for any responsible government.

Homosexualism and other things she mentioned there have no such effects on citizens, as those that engage in them are still active members of the country's work force, and pose no danger to themselves or to others, so no responsible government will care about such things.

Arm robbers pose danger to the lives of other good citizens, homosexuals or a woman who is on mini skirk doesn't, so i don't really no how you brought arm robbers into this.

Read it very well you will know.

Miss EZ: Oi, God bless you. This was the point i made in my original post. Nigeria has way too much problems to be majoring on homosexuality.

And then we should just add homosexuality to the myriads of problems we have?

pazienza: Incest is business of the government, cos offspring from such unions are likely to have genetic effects, which can affect the future generation of the country, and may even increase the government'ss health expenditure. We can't say the same of homosexual relationships.

You said "likely" meanwhile.

Did you hear yourself?

You are justifying government clampdown on i n c e s t u o u s relationships because of a "likely" genetic effects on future generation of a country, while homosexuality should be excused because of what? They produce good children right?

Confusion at Ojuelegba here.

36STATES: My instict is always to accept whatever majority of Nigerians oppose and reject whatever they accept. You don't need a rocket scientist to prove to you that Nigeria doesn't move with the rest of the civilized world. I am sure the rest of the civilized world laughed at our delegation for their infantile arguement for declaring war on gays while the whole country is in darkness because of lack of electricity which Ghana have been enjoying non stop for the past 12 years. It is through issues like these that one begins to realise the level of rot in our educational system and the damage it has wrought. This country called Nigeria is inhabited by the lowest form of human life, you see it by the level of greed and corruption accross the nation. I bet you, it is only in Nigeria and few medeaval countries like Agfanistan, Pakistan, Yemen etc, that 92% of the population will be against homosexual reletionship.

Russia (USSR) sent the first human being to space.

It is medieval too right?

So homosexuality will save your masters from their economic bankruptcy now right?

And it's what has given Ghana her 12 year non-stop electricity right?

Oh, your slave masters' educational system is so good that you their product is perpetually seeking your identity.

Their brainwash programs are so successful on you that they've turned you to a sub-human who believe only things coming from them are good, more like a tamed primate.

Miss EZ: Porka, you have a way of twisting words. I never said i knew politicians. The word know for me suggests that there is a personal friendship which in this case does not exist. I worked in Federal establishment and heard conversations. I asked one or two questions and that was it. I dont know them personally. By the way my NYSC was in 2005. I could care less what those men are doing now. In any case, i dont see why i deserve a warning. Like i said, peoples sexual orientation is non of my business especially if there is no harm being done. I make an exception when it comes to incest and abuse.

So please stop warning me. State your point and leave it at that

The way you made your exception to i n c e s t is the same way Nigerians make exception to homosexuality.

We are not following your standard, we already have ours.

Warning is to guide you though, because ignorance is not an excuse.