MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is a Jew who was born bread and brought up amongst the Jews so he must live by the laws of the land.
But when it comes to what he established (Christianity) this has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions.
That's why he appointed another Apostle named Paul to TEACH gentiles how to practice Christianity that has nothing to do with Jewish laws or traditions {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} Paul further explained that the Jewish Christians will surely have a difficulty distinguishing between Christianity and Judaism that's why Jesus appointed Peter to TEACH the Jews (circumcised) while Paul was appointed to TEACH gentiles (uncircumcised) Galatians 2:7

But even Peter was later confused because he couldn't distinguish between the law of the Christ and that of the Jewish community! Galatians 2:11-14

So you need more knowledge about the Christ, his laws (commandments) totally differs from the Mosaic laws! Jeremiah 31:31-34

This is the full text.

The Jews were boasting as people who had custody or teachers of God's law, they saw themselves as having an advantage. But Paul instructed them that having the Law was not an advantage to them but keeping of the law was what was required of them.

Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who
by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Please note verse 26,27,28 and 29.

livingchrist:
Then you dont know neither understand the gospel.

Good you agree that Righteousness exist outside the law.

Where in that verse does it say once a person repents?
To repent simply means to change ones mind even God is said to repent, to repent does make one righteousness, one is righteous once he believes on Jesus anything outside that is simply self deception.


After one is saved right, which means salvation does not come through doing the commandments.
After one is saved, he simply walks in the faith of Jesus christ.



really, so God's imputed righteousness cannot get you to heaven except the man made one?, elevating the creature above the creator.
I sorry for you.

Paul counted his own righteousness as dung for that of christ.

He said he does not want to be found having his own righteousness hence he ran to take cover.

Meaning it is an eternally disastrous thing to be found with your own righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:




christ died for everyone but not everyone put their faith on Christ and his wonderful finished work on the cross.
Following christ and placing ones faith in him are directly linked, the cross is the persecution that goes along with faith in /following christ.



Holy living is not a way to claim righteousness neither eternal life, the way to claim eternal life is by placing ones faith in Christ and his works.

Holy living is the end product of sanctification, while sanctification comes after placing ones faith in Christ and his work.

Repentance simply means to stop believing contrary to the gospel but accept the gospel.

The righteousness of God through Christ is the only righteousness that make us children of God and joint heirs with christ.

As long as one continue in the faith of Jesus christ, one is has the righteousness of God and assured of heaven.

To work out salvation and to work for salvation are not the same.

To work out ones salvation simply means living in line with ones salvation experience.

Phillipians said work out your salvation even as God is working in you both to will and to do.
Note, he said God is the one working in you in your will and actions.
Phillipians is treating salvation as an experience which God does in believers, the believer also should manifest what God has worked inside him.

You just cherry picked verses and left out key verses.

Here is the full text.

Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Please note verse ,22,23,24, 27, 28,31,

The circumcision has been there from the time of Abraham so know that Christianity has nothing to do with such laws that's where you are making the mistake.
Christianity is the principles leading to Paradise while the laws whether ten or 600 given to the nation of Israel was that rules that will help the Israelites recognize the Christ.
Once they're able to identify him they don't need those laws anymore, what remains is how to practice Christianity without violating the laws guiding their nation.
For instance, i'm a Nigerian so as long as i live in this country i'm subjected to the rules of the land but when the rulers come up orders violating my faith i'll say "NO" that's why Jesus was obedient to some laws but kicking against others in his time. The rulers were setting rules that's violating Godly principles!

blueAgent:


The problem is that you cherry pick Bible verses to suit your false doctrine without putting all the verses into context.
The argument was that the Jews wanted the Gentiles to observe their Jewish laws and traditions which the 10 commandments is not.
They wanted the Gentiles to observe circumcision and Jewish feast days and sabbaths days.

But Paul instructed them that those things were no longer required by God from the Jews or the gentiles but what mattered was keeping the commandments of God.

1 Corinthians 7:19
King James Version
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?


Galatians 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.


You can see that below that Paul and the Apostles instructed the Gentiles to keep away from Fornication,Idolatry and covetousness. All this are found in the 10 commandments


Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

livingchrist:
Then you dont know neither understand the gospel.

Good you agree that Righteousness exist outside the law.

Where in that verse does it say once a person repents?
To repent simply means to change ones mind even God is said to repent, to repent does make one righteousness, one is righteous once he believes on Jesus anything outside that is simply self deception.


After one is saved right, which means salvation does not come through doing the commandments.
After one is saved, he simply walks in the faith of Jesus christ.



really, so God's imputed righteousness cannot get you to heaven except the man made one?, elevating the creature above the creator.
I sorry for you.

Paul counted his own righteousness as dung for that of christ.

He said he does not want to be found having his own righteousness hence he ran to take cover.

Meaning it is an eternally disastrous thing to be found with your own righteousness.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:




christ died for everyone but not everyone put their faith on Christ and his wonderful finished work on the cross.
Following christ and placing ones faith in him are directly linked, the cross is the persecution that goes along with faith in /following christ.



Holy living is not a way to claim righteousness neither eternal life, the way to claim eternal life is by placing ones faith in Christ and his works.

Holy living is the end product of sanctification, while sanctification comes after placing ones faith in Christ and his work.

Repentance simply means to stop believing contrary to the gospel but accept the gospel.

The righteousness of God through Christ is the only righteousness that make us children of God and joint heirs with christ.

As long as one continue in the faith of Jesus christ, one is has the righteousness of God and assured of heaven.

To work out salvation and to work for salvation are not the same.

To work out ones salvation simply means living in line with ones salvation experience.

Phillipians said work out your salvation even as God is working in you both to will and to do.
Note, he said God is the one working in you in your will and actions.
Phillipians is treating salvation as an experience which God does in believers, the believer also should manifest what God has worked inside him.

Let's explore and understand God's word.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

*Under the law here means been under its penalty which is death.
And everyone one of us is guilty before God.

3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

*No one can claim he is innocent before God by keeping the law, becos we are all guilty before him.
It's the law that points out our sins.

3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

*Here God offers us righteousness which we did not earn or work for that's why it is without the law.
It was not earned by us keeping the law for we were all sinners when Christ died for us. neither did anyone persuade God or Jesus to die for us.

3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

*The righteousness is for all as long as you believe.

3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

* Christ righteousness stands in place of all our past sins, God no longer sees our past sins but he sees the righteousness of Christ.
Note:The righteousness is for all our sins, our past sins

3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

* Becos we did not earn or work for it no one can boast of he earning it.
It's a gift from God.

3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

*God justifies everyone weather Jew or Gentiles.

Here is the interesting part.Paul is asking Do we now void the law(10commandments) becos of faith?

3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The answer is No, rather we establish it.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

blueAgent:


True, you sometimes get people confused with your writeup.

yeah I understand but the value of my message is in a person's ability to use their spirits to decode it's message, Exactly as the Bible is written and Christ's Teachings and Parables.

Their power is in the use of spirit and knowledge!

blueAgent:


You just using long grammar and sentence to confuse yourself.

Paul had ever exalted the divine law. [b]He had shown that in the law there is no power to save men from the penalty of disobedience.[/b]Wrongdoers must repent of their sins and humble themselves before God, Whose just wrath they have incurred by breaking His law, and they must also exercise faith in the blood of Christ as their only means of pardon. The Son of God had died as their sacrifice and had ascended to Heaven to stand before the
Father as their Advocate. By repentance and faith they might be freed from the condemnation of sin and through the grace of Christ be enabled henceforth to render obedience to the law of God. [2]
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. (Proverbs 3:13, emphasis supplied)

@bolded, the law cannot acquit a sinner, right?

According to the bible all have sinned, so the law already condemns all who sins, so if the law cannot make a sinner righteous, then what where you blabbing about?
The people that need righteousness are sinners, and ths law is powerless in that regard,



the law has no power to give life, the ten commandment is even called the ministrations of death.


Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

blueAgent:

The psalmist disagree with you that we do not need the law.

Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Righteousness outside the law Is christ righteousness imputed on us when we accept Christ by faith.

A typical example is the thief crucified on the cross with Jesus.

Immediately he confessed Jesus on the cross his sins were erased and the righteousness of christ was imputed upon that Thief , that thief was sure of eternal life.

The thief did nothing to earn it, from his life and crime its obvious he was a breaker of God's law.

But let assume that the thief did not die on the cross that day and was pardoned by the king and he want home free and righteous.
And later he went back to stealing ,killing, committing adueltry .

The question I want to ask you is that will he still be counted as righteous or a saved man?

If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

blueAgent:


You just cherry picked verses and left out key verses.

Here is the full text.

Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Please note verse ,22,23,24, 27, 28,31,

Good you saw it, yourself, that there is a law of faith which you conveniently ignore.
Those who depend on faith fulfills the whole law, how through love.
See, as long as a man walks in the spirit he is above the law.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

livingchrist:
There is a righteousness that exist outside the law and that is the righteousness bu faith.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Please do not let me insult you for I have told you before and you could not Answer, WHICH RIGHTEOUSNESS OR RIGHT AND GOOD THING IN THIS EARTH AND IN THE BIBLE IS NOT LAW'D OR UNDER LAW?

IS THERE ANY ANYWHERE?

EVEN "FAITH" IS LAW'D! If you challenge me I would show you The Law which puts "faith" in and under Law!

I ALSO TOLD YOU THAT PAULS WRITINGS ARE WORDS THAT CAN ONLY BE PROPERLY INTERPRETED BY LEVITES (LAW'ERS)!

GIVING ORDINARY ENGLISH INTERPRETATION TO A DOCUMENT WRITTEN BY A LAWYER WILL KILL YOU,

PAUL WAS A LAW'ER AND WROTE AS A LAW'ER AND EVERY LAW'ER WHO READS PAULS WRITING KNOWS THAT HE NEVER SAID "FAITH IS OUTSIDE THE LAW"

The highlighted "Without the law" in law means outside the "Law in force".

And what was the law in force?

Christ and Paul supplied the Answer which is "the law of Unrighteousness or the righteousness of man"- Mathew 16:6; Romans 10:3

blueAgent:



Let's explore and understand God's word.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

*Under the law here means been under its penalty which is death.
And everyone one of us is guilty before God.

3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

*No one can claim he is innocent before God by keeping the law, becos we are all guilty before him.
It's the law that points out our sins.

3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

*Here God offers us righteousness which we did not earn or work for that's why it is without the law.
It was not earned by us keeping the law for we were all sinners when Christ died for us. neither did anyone persuade God or Jesus to die for us.

3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

*The righteousness is for all as long as you believe.

3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

* Christ righteousness stands in place of all our past sins, God no longer sees our past sins but he sees the righteousness of Christ.
Note:The righteousness is for all our sins, our past sins

3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

* Becos we did not earn or work for it no one can boast of he earning it.
It's a gift from God.

3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

*God justifies everyone weather Jew or Gentiles.

Here is the interesting part.Paul is asking Do we now void the law(10commandments) becos of faith?

3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The answer is No, rather we establish it.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

take your time and reread your write up and see how confused you are!

You seem to believe that we start by faith and made perfect by law, you are wrong!

Galatians 3:2-3 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Paul said we start by faith and made perfect by that same faith, no branching at all!

Do you know what it means to fall from grace?

It is actually starting by faith and after then branching off to justification by the law.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Dtruthspeaker:


Please do not let me insult you for I have told you before and you could not Answer, WHICH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT LAW'D?

EVEN "FAITH" IS LAW'D! If you challenge me I would show you The Law which puts "faith" in and under Law!

I ALSO TOLD YOU THAT PAULS WRITINGS ARE WORDS THAT CAN ONLY BE PROPERLY INTERPRETED BY LEVITES (LAW'ERS)!

GIVING ORDINARY ENGLISH INTERPRETATION TO A DOCUMENT WRITTEN BY A LAWYER WILL KILL YOU,

PAUL WAS A LAW'ER AND WROTE AS A LAW'ER AND EVERY LAW'ER WHO READS PAULS WRITING KNOWS THAT HE NEVER SAID "FAITH IS OUTSIDE THE LAW"

The highlighted "Without the law" in law means outside the "Law in force".

And what was the law in force?

Christ and Paul supplied the Answer which is "the law of Unrighteousness or the righteousness of man"- Mathew 16:6; Romans 10:3

your delusion is on another level.
If you like insult me, it wouldnt stop me from saying the truth, I dont need to be a lawyer or a levite, I have the holy Ghost who is the greatest teacher.

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

livingchrist:

It is a very big lie that no one can be righteous without obeying the law, Abraham was justified righteous just by placing his faith in the Lord.

Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

This discussion should be primarily undertaken by law'ers and not ordinary simple folks like you.

You have no understanding of Law therefore you have No Authority to speak on issues of Law!

Dtruthspeaker:


Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

This discussion should be primarily undertaken by law'ers and not ordinary simple folks like you.

You have no understanding of Law therefore you have No Authority to speak on issues of Law!

was Jesus a lawyer? Lol same thing the pharisee said to Jesus.

Matthew 21:23
And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?

Yes I speak with the authority of Jesus christ and of God, lawyers who are not born again knows nothing of God's wisdom.

God has rubbished earthly wisdom
1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:22
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

1 Corinthians 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


My faith does not stand and on human wisdom and qualifications which has already being rubbished by God.

livingchrist:
your delusion is on another level.
If you like insult me, it wouldnt stop me from saying the truth, I dont need to be a lawyer or a levite, I have the holy Ghost who is the greatest teacher.

The Holy Spirit is The Law Fool that's what I wanted BlueAgent to find out for Himself!

And The Holy Spirit has been since the beginning of the world!

And The Holy Spirit has not changed not even once neither will it divide itself!

So uncle teacher that knows The Law more than THE LAW, (The Holy Spirit) when did Abraham break A Law to ground your foolish submission that The Law can be broken yet you can be "Justified" outside The Law as Abraham was?

Answer this questions validly and I shall publicly apologize for my trespasses!

Answer me if you can!

livingchrist:

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

If you were indeed filled Truly with The Holy Spirit He will give you the Answer to Shut me Up as He gave Paul and the Disciples, so Answer the questions

Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

livingchrist:
was Jesus a lawyer? Lol same thing the pharisee said to Jesus.

Yes, Fool! You did not know this?

Why do you think He Always said "it is Written..., Is it not in your Law..., What doth The Law say..., Doth The Law not say..."

WAS ALL HIS TEACHINGS NOT AN EXPLANATION OF THE LAW! (Of course you did not know any of these things BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A LAW'ER)

1 John 2:1 we have An Advocate and who is an Advocate?

Always A Law'er
And He is The Law Himself which is what Mathew 5:17 is veiledly telling you and Malachi 3:1-4.

livingchrist:

Yes I speak with the authority of Jesus christ and of God, lawyers who are not born again knows nothing of God's wisdom.

You have No Authority for if you did I Must keep Silent before you but rather, it is you who bring shame upon thy soul for clearly you require teaching.

And your multitude quotings are Vain!

livingchrist:

My faith does not stand and on human wisdom and qualifications which has already being rubbished by God.

I will pedal down seeing that you did not even know that Christ is The Law and that He is The Most High Law'er!

Surely, you did not know that Moses through whom The Law came through was a Law'er Too!

You are out of your depths in this one and you require to be filled!

So I take back the insults and ridicule I gave because I thought you knew many things and you could Answer me but alas I see that you are toddler requiring meat and not milk.

As I said, for you to not know that Christ is The Law and is A Law'er and Moses Himself was a Law'er as Paul was should your great deficiency in your knowledge and understanding of Law, therefore, you can not Authoritatively Speak on Law.

For you have tried and you have failed exactly as a person who taught himself a surgeon has publicly killed a person on the operating table in the presence of other Surgeons, now upon examination he can not Answer and prove his qualification of being A Surgeon.

He is now A Murdering Fake Surgeon!

Like Joseph's family, if you are a herds man, stay in your profession, a herds man is not a Surgeon!

You will be caught and disgraced when it you are found not to be a surgeon

Dtruthspeaker:


Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

This discussion should be primarily undertaken by law'ers and not ordinary simple folks like you.

You have no understanding of Law therefore you have No Authority to speak on issues of Law!

lol I have all authority from the holy Ghost.
What other qualification are you talking about?

The world by its wisdom did not know God it took the preaching of the cross to reveal God's wisdom.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.


Only the the gospel of Jesus can open your eyes.

Dtruthspeaker:


The Holy Spirit is The Law Fool that's what I wanted BlueAgent to find out for Himself!

And The Holy Spirit has been since the beginning of the world!

And The Holy Spirit has not changed not even once neither will it divide itself!

So uncle teacher that knows The Law more than THE LAW, (The Holy Spirit) when did Abraham break A Law to ground your foolish submission that The Law can be broken yet you can be "Justified" outside The Law as Abraham was?

Answer this questions validly and I shall publicly apologize for my trespasses!

Answer me if you can!



If you were indeed filled Truly with The Holy Spirit He will give you the Answer to Shut me Up as He gave Paul and the Disciples, so Answer the questions

Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

You are really ignorant, I pray you receive the light.
If you want me to answer you, answer me first show me when I suggested you should break the law?

Dont be hasty in anger because anger lives in the abode of fools.

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, Fool! You did not know this?

Why do you think He Always said "it is Written..., Is it not in your Law..., What doth The Law say..., Doth The Law not say..."

WAS ALL HIS TEACHINGS NOT AN EXPLANATION OF THE LAW! (Of course you did not know any of these things BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A LAW'ER)

1 John 2:1 we have An Advocate and who is an Advocate?

Always A Law'er
And He is The Law Himself which is what Mathew 5:17 is veiledly telling you and Malachi 3:1-4.



You have No Authority for if you did I Must keep Silent before you but rather, it is you who bring shame upon thy soul for clearly you require teaching.

And your multitude quotings are Vain!



I will pedal down seeing that you did not even know that Christ is The Law and that He is The Most High Law'er!

Surely, you did not know that Moses through whom The Law came through was a Law'er Too!

You are out of your depths in this one and you require to be filled!

So I take back the insults and ridicule I gave because I thought you knew many things and you could Answer me but alas I see that you are toddler requiring meat and not milk.

As I said, for you to not know that Christ is The Law and is A Law'er and Moses Himself was a Law'er as Paul was should your great deficiency in your knowledge and understanding of Law, therefore, you can not Authoritatively Speak on Law.

For you have tried and you have failed exactly as a person who taught himself a surgeon has publicly killed a person on the operating table in the presence of other Surgeons, now upon examination he can not Answer and prove his qualification of being A Surgeon.

He is now A Murdering Fake Surgeon!

Like Joseph's family, if you are a herds man, stay in your profession, a herds man is not a Surgeon!

You will be caught and disgraced when it you are found not to be a surgeon

name calling doesnt make you a wise person, please answer my question was Jesus christ a lawyer? Abeg which human being gave Jesus the qualification?

livingchrist:

lol I have all authority from the holy Ghost.
What other qualification are you talking about?

Every Lunatic and insane person who has a phone is allowed in here, thus, even the madman President1 and other madmen in this place make such claims too but it is known that the sick do not visit the Carpenter's neither do the troubled in soul go to the mechanic.

blueAgent:


You misunderstand God's word and take verses out of context.

Because he is a False Prophet like those in Acts 15 whom Christ warned must come!

blueAgent:

Yes keeping the law could not give life, becos the damage has already been done.

I hope you now know that you are Wrong for Christ is The Law1

Dtruthspeaker:


I hope you now know that you are Wrong for Christ is The Law1

That's wrong Christ is not the law.

Dtruthspeaker:


Because he is a False Prophet like those in Acts 15 whom Christ warned must come!

I think he is just confused.

Dtruthspeaker:


The Holy Spirit is The Law Fool that's what I wanted BlueAgent to find out for Himself!

And The Holy Spirit has been since the beginning of the world!

And The Holy Spirit has not changed not even once neither will it divide itself!

So uncle teacher that knows The Law more than THE LAW, (The Holy Spirit) when did Abraham break A Law to ground your foolish submission that The Law can be broken yet you can be "Justified" outside The Law as Abraham was?

Answer this questions validly and I shall publicly apologize for my trespasses!

Answer me if you can!



If you were indeed filled Truly with The Holy Spirit He will give you the Answer to Shut me Up as He gave Paul and the Disciples, so Answer the questions

Do you find Abraham breaking The Law? Does The Law not call for Obedience to God? Did Abraham not Obey God continually? So when how could he have broken The Law!

You are partly right, but the Holy spirit is not the law, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God, which is his presence, glory ,power, will.

blueAgent:


That's wrong Christ is not the law.

You obviously have not seen
John 5:39, KJV:

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

And what do the scriptures talk about?

Did Christ not ALWAYS SAY "What do the Scriptures say? you have the scriptures, is it not Written in your Law?"

blueAgent:


You are partly right, but the Holy spirit is not the law, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God, which is his presence, glory ,power, will.

Good! But you did not take note of one of the Truths you declared up there which is "POWER"

Is The Law not Very very Powerful?

Do you Also remember this Law that that which is flesh, is flesh and that which is spirit, is spirit?

Does that Law not explain Also that that which is Holy, is Holy? Under here remember the Tabernacle, Incense and all which Moses consecrated to The Lord, so how can The Law which Proceeds out of the Mouth of God not be Holy?

And Remember Also that "Man doth not Live ... But by what?

Is Every Word of God Not Law?

livingchrist:
take your time and reread your write up and see how confused you are!

You seem to believe that we start by faith and made perfect by law, you are wrong!

Galatians 3:2-3 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Paul said we start by faith and made perfect by that same faith, no branching at all!

Do you know what it means to fall from grace?

It is actually starting by faith and after then branching off to justification by the law.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Is amazing how you ignored the verses I gave, you did not even try to refute them only for you to digress to another misquoted verse.

Note .
Not every where Law is mentioned in the bible does not refer to the 10commandments, some are referring to the law of priesthood and sacrificial laws.

You just lump everything together without read in context ,and that's the very reason you are confused.

We start by faith and end by faith, but any faith that does not produce works is dead.
The question is what are the works?they are obedience to God's commandments.

Law and faith are not opposing each other rather they compliments each other.
it is when one has faith that he obeys the commandments of God because he knows that God rewards those who diligently seek him.


This are facts no amount of your wishful thinking will change that.

Galatians 5:4 must be understood from the context.
One cannot be saved by keeping only the law without Christ dieing, like I said before there is debt to be paid.

What gave us salvation is the death of Christ which we recieve by faith and not keeping the law.

His death gave us justification before God,


This thing is easy and simple to understand but your ego will not let you.

For example if a man is found guilty of a crime and was sentenced to death, and before his day of execution another man without a criminal record came forth and took the penalty of death on behalf of the man who was sentenced to death.
The first man was cleared of his guilty and was before the law justified.

We all know that the first man has be saved by grace becos he never earned it or worked for it by keeping the law rather he was guilty before the law.

From that point his criminal records has been wiped clean and he is a free man before the judge and law.

Let me ask you, is this free man expected to obey the law of the land or is he expected to break more of the law knowing what it cost, for him to gain his freedom.

it cost an innocent man's live inorder to set him free.

This is a typical example of the story of man's salvation.
Christ is the man that offered his life as a ransom inorder to save the life of the first man(humanity).

Why the first man is now free from the penalty of the law, he should in no way break the law again.

Please go and look for meaning of grace is obvious you and many others do not understand its meaning.

livingchrist:


Good you saw it, yourself, that there is a law of faith which you conveniently ignore.
Those who depend on faith fulfills the whole law, how through love.
See, as long as a man walks in the spirit he is above the law.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

You just post verses or state things without evidence.

The law of the spirit is the 10commandments it is not different.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Carnal minded people do the things of the flesh not spirit.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.


Can you see that to be spiritual minded one has to be friend with the law of God.

Becos those who are carnally minded do things of the flesh and are enmity to the law of God.



James also expands on the
spiritual intent of the 10 Commandments. He called God’s law the royal law (James 2:. How is it a “royal law”? It is the law of the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ will return as King of Kings in that Kingdom(Revelation 19:16).
James also called it the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25; 2:12). James compares the law with a mirror (1:23-25). Just looking in the mirror—just knowing the perfect law of God—is not enough. We must use God’s help to make the changes in ourselves and show the love to others and God that the law shows us.

livingchrist:


Good you saw it, yourself, that there is a law of faith which you conveniently ignore.
Those who depend on faith fulfills the whole law, how through love.
See, as long as a man walks in the spirit he is above the law.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

This is the full text stop cherry picking verses.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

You can see that those in the flesh oppose or are enemy to God's law, and it leads to death.

But those in the spirit are friends to God's law and it leads to life and peace.

The Summary is that the law of the spirit or faith you claim is still the 10commandments be obeyed and observed the people in in their spirit.
When people obey God in their thoughts,mind, will and action that what it means to be in the spirit

livingchrist:
If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

Now I get you, were all this crap is coming from, you believe in once saved forever saved.

What a false doctrine.

Was Adam and Eve not born of God?

Were Satan and Angel's not called the sons of God?
So why did they all sin?

livingchrist:
If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

Jesus gives us the gift of salvation.

The gift is free and for everyone, accepting the gift is not hard everyone does that but keeping it is what matters.

What takes you to Heaven is not just accepting the gift of salvation Christ gave us, but you following Christ to the end.
Have you read about the 5 foolish virgins?

livingchrist:
If the theif didnt use the righteousness of the law to enter heaven, what does that tell you? Or does God have different standard for different people?

If the theif didnt die that they he would still vote to heaven, because Jesus gave him eternal life right there on the cross.
Ad for you going into sinning, because he is born of God he would not.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

God will preserve him

Stop confusing yourself 1 John 5:18.
Cannot be taken literally becos the Bible also told us that it is possible that we fall into sin.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: