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Christians And Jehovah's Witnesses What Is The Difference?

Christians follow Christ through the Holy Spirit

so called Jehovah's witnesses follow Jehovah through false prophets

MaxInDHouse:
I have quoted overwhelming scriptures but as usual you jumped into my thread without the knowledge of what is been discussed and when you found out that you goofed instead of apologizing you want me to path you on the back like those liars will do for you for agree to disagree.
NO!
Next time don't come for stupid arguments on my thread.
Only followers of Jesus are Christians.
They are PRACTICING what he taught not just people who heard about the Christ.
Judaists and Muslims heard about the Messiah through prophecies in the scriptures that does not automatically makes them Christians.

You did not point to a single scripture. I was the one teaching you from the scripture. Your best excuse was the example of Jesus and the rich man and I still explained it to you using the scripture. Minus that, you really had nothing but it's ok.
Let's agree to disagree

johnw47:
Christians follow Christ through the Holy Spirit

so called Jehovah's witnesses follow Jehovah through false prophets

They don't even know what they follow

achorladey:
@ tctrills

You wonder how these one know about Jesus Christ


And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: “Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, because my eyes have seen your means of salvation that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.” And the child’s father and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about him. Also, Simʹe·on blessed them and said to Mary, the child’s mother: “Look! This child is appointed for the falling and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be spoken against 35 (yes, a long sword will be run through you*), in order that the reasonings of many hearts may be revealed.”
36 Now there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanʹu·el, of Ashʹer’s tribe. This woman was well along in years and had lived with her husband for seven years after they were married, and she was a widow now 84 years old. She was never missing from the temple, rendering sacred service night and day with fasting and supplications. In that very hour she came near and began giving thanks to God and speaking about the child to all who were waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance.

To him these one don't know about Jesus Christ too.

He doesn't know what to believe

tctrills:
They don't even know what they follow

they dum, that's for sure

tctrills:
Let's agree to disagree

Guy i can understand how difficult this could be for you after disgracing yourself publicly thinking people who never followed Jesus' teachings could be Christians. So if you proudly refuse to admit your blunder there is nothing to agree upon. This is not something we need to start arguing about because it's as simple as ABC.

I asked you from the beginning:

Who is a Christian?

And you answered correctly:

A follower of Christ.

So there is no way people who never saw Jesus or learn from his trained disciples can become Christians that's just the simple truth. You can continue with your friends who maliciously supports you out of spite against Jehovah's Witnesses none of them can say a Muslim or Judaist is a Christian simply because such ones have heard about the prophecy of the Christ.

A Christian is someone who follows the things spoken by Jesus of Nazareth that's why he said all those who lived before John the baptist are lesser than John because such ones never had the opportunity to become Christians learning from the world's most wonderful counselor of all time but those who have learned from Jesus are greater than those people because Jesus the wisdom of God has taught us how to live in Paradise! Matthew 11:11-12

So if you're not humble enough to admit your blunders there is no way you and i can agree!

tctrills:
He doesn't know what to believe

MaxInDHouse:
Chai see lying o!

You that you have nothing to contribute when talking about faith all you do is question this question that perhaps you need to be reminded all the threads you put up to show your atheistic mindset:

https://www.nairaland.com/6771978/man-advise-god-make-him
https://www.nairaland.com/6783378/why-did-bible-end-revelations
https://www.nairaland.com/6849153/how-many-fathers-heaven
https://www.nairaland.com/6909313/god-spirit-what-does-it
https://www.nairaland.com/6945720/what-curse-ada
https://www.nairaland.com/6941774/why-dont-people-die-churches
https://www.nairaland.com/6961839/conceived-jesus-christ-father-holy
https://www.nairaland.com/6952514/gods-firstborn-jesus-christ-isreal
https://www.nairaland.com/7081153/what-function-holy-ghost
https://www.nairaland.com/7093441/did-jesus-die-those-lived
https://www.nairaland.com/7087883/adam-not-cause-mankinds-problems
https://www.nairaland.com/7179228/world-coming-end-it-getting
https://www.nairaland.com/7232550/god-sabbath-it-jesus-christ
https://www.nairaland.com/6970625/does-bible-endorse-human-sacrifice
https://www.nairaland.com/7268407/why-did-god-plant-good
https://www.nairaland.com/7339047/generation-having-less-sex-5han
https://www.nairaland.com/7453647/these-last-days
https://www.nairaland.com/7499141/did-god-really-curse-man
https://www.nairaland.com/7515028/those-never-heard-jesus-what

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself, you can only run but you can't hide because even though you try to hide behind anonymous claiming you're here to catch fun the INJECTION of TRUTH i passed into your system in the year 2021 will drag you back to my thread.
No true believer keep quiet when others are talking about the God they worship {Psalms 115:4-8} and the only gathering worshiping their God! John 4:22

That's what i promised you in 2021!

This is year 2024 and tctrills has come back to my thread again begging me to agree with him after long time of running away claiming i was following him!

MaxInDHouse:
This is year 2024 and tctrills has come back to my thread again begging me to agree with him after long time of running away claiming i was following him!

I wish I can understand what you wrote but I am sure you and your people understand it so mo problem.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i can understand how difficult this could be for you after disgracing yourself publicly thinking people who never followed Jesus' teachings could be Christians. So if you proudly refuse to admit your blunder there is nothing to agree upon. This is not something we need to start arguing about because it's as simple as ABC.

I asked you from the beginning:

Who is a Christian?

And you answered correctly:

A follower of Christ.

So there is no way people who never saw Jesus or learn from his trained disciples can become Christians that's just the simple truth. You can continue with your friends who maliciously supports you out of spite against Jehovah's Witnesses none of them can say a Muslim or Judaist is a Christian simply because such ones have heard about the prophecy of the Christ.

A Christian is someone who follows the things spoken by Jesus of Nazareth that's why he said all those who lived before John the baptist are lesser than John because such ones never had the opportunity to become Christians learning from the world's most wonderful counselor of all time but those who have learned from Jesus are greater than those people because Jesus the wisdom of God has taught us how to live in Paradise! Matthew 11:11-12

So if you're not humble enough to admit your blunders there is no way you and i can agree!

Again you are wrong, you don't need to see Christ to follow him.
Secondly, people have been following Him even before he was born. Remember, before Abraham, I Am. His work did not begin with his birth.
John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Third, he already told you that no man can come to the father except through him. So if any man ever had a relationship with God, he must have come through Christ. Moses David and Abel all had relationships with God.
4th, the Law of Moses was to led men to Christ it was a school master so anyone following the law was following Christ.
5th, he is the Jehovah of the old testament so everyone in the old testament was worshipping and following him. Hence he said, I came unto my own and my own knew me not.

tctrills:
I wish I can understand what you wrote but I am sure you and your people understand it so mo problem.

Ready to fully attack you personally since you are not dancing to his tune.

MaxInDHouse:
This is year 2024 and tctrills has come back to my thread again begging me to agree with him after long time of running away claiming i was following him!

Attack him

Na your mode of operation

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i can understand how difficult this could be for you after disgracing yourself publicly thinking people who never followed Jesus' teachings could be Christians. So if you proudly refuse to admit your blunder there is nothing to agree upon. This is not something we need to start arguing about because it's as simple as ABC.

I asked you from the beginning:

Who is a Christian?

And you answered correctly:

A follower of Christ.

So there is no way people who never saw Jesus or learn from his trained disciples can become Christians that's just the simple truth. You can continue with your friends who maliciously supports you out of spite against Jehovah's Witnesses none of them can say a Muslim or Judaist is a Christian simply because such ones have heard about the prophecy of the Christ.

A Christian is someone who follows the things spoken by Jesus of Nazareth that's why he said all those who lived before John the baptist are lesser than John because such ones never had the opportunity to become Christians learning from the world's most wonderful counselor of all time but those who have learned from Jesus are greater than those people because Jesus the wisdom of God has taught us how to live in Paradise! Matthew 11:11-12

So if you're not humble enough to admit your blunders there is no way you and i can agree!

Agree to disagree

When you agree to disagree, you accept that neither of you is going to change the other's mind. That's when you stop arguing and move on!

Attack him thousands of time from now. You cannot take away what he knows from him

tctrills:
You did not point to a single scripture. I was the one teaching you from the scripture. Your best excuse was the example of Jesus and the rich man and I still explained it to you using the scripture. Minus that, you really had nothing but it's ok.
Let's agree to disagree

I was surprised he said he used scripture overwhelmingly. It is just to save face.

tctrills:
They don't even know what they follow

As simple as this is, they don't understand

achorladey:
I was surprised he said he used scripture overwhelmingly. It is just to save face.

What do you expect him to say. He must justify his falsehoods. Actually, I don't blame him he has been turned to a machine and can't think for himself.

tctrills:
people have been following Him even before he was born.

This is enough to tell other followers what is happening here.

Jesus who has not been born has had followers who are FOLLOWING him according to tctrills!

MaxInDHouse:
This is enough to tell other followers what is happening here.

Jesus who has not been born has had followers who are FOLLOWING him according to tctrills!

You forget that he is the firstborn of God. His life did not begin with his earthly birth. I guess they don't teach you that in church but thanks to Nairaland you get to learn that from me.
And yes he was David's Lord a thousand years before his earthly birth.

tctrills:
You forget that he is the firstborn of God. His life did not begin with his earthly birth. I guess they don't teach you that in church but thanks to Nairaland you get to learn that from me.
And yes he was David's Lord a thousand years before his earthly birth.

It's OK Mr tctrills there's no need worrying yourself i will never ever agree with you that a person who has not been born has FOLLOWERS FOLLOWING his teachings while you will never agree with me because i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Thanks for your time on my thread!

Michael547:
Oga so who was the mediator in Galatians 3:19 through who the law was given to the people of isreal in Connection to John 1:17?

Hi bro, I know you have moved on but I just felt I should ask you this.
So your doctrine is that before the coming of Jesus Christ, men had the power to come to the Father directly right, then Jesus came and we lost that ability hence he said no can come to the Father but by me?
What do you think men like Abel,Moses, Abraham and the rest had that we don't have? What did we do to lose the power to access God without the need of Christ?

tctrills:
Hi bro, I know you have moved on but I just felt I should ask you this.
So your doctrine is that before the coming of Jesus Christ, men had the power to come to the Father directly right, then Jesus came and we lost that ability hence he said no can come to the Father but by me?
What do you think men like Abel,Moses, Abraham and the rest had that we don't have? What did we do to lose the power to access God without the need of Christ?

😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂

tctrills:
Hi bro, I know you have moved on but I just felt I should ask you this.
So your doctrine is that before the coming of Jesus Christ, men had the power to come to the Father directly right, then Jesus came and we lost that ability hence he said no can come to the Father but by me?
What do you think men like Abel,Moses, Abraham and the rest had that we don't have? What did we do to lose the power to access God without the need of Christ?

The bible clearly Shows that Almighty God revealed himself to his servants of old like Noah and Abraham and Moses directly and sometimes through angels. God made Moses the mediator Between himself and the chosen nation of isreal in the old covenant in the religion of Judaism. God sent his only begotten Son Jesus to put an end to the old covenant and establish a new one in which he is the mediator. In the New covenant, you cannot access the father without the son. The Son is the head of the church and those who are followers of Jesus are called Christians. Faithful servants of old were not required to have faith in Jesus to Worship God.

tctrills:
I told you that your translation of the bible is fake and you called me dubious. Now let me ask you, do you accept every translation of the bible?
If even you would not accept every translation, when then do you expect me to accept a false one especially when I presented you with a correct one?

Most translations in Galatians 3:19 use the word 'mediator' to refer to Moses in that verse. Please who was Paul referring to as the mediator in that verse through whom the law was given?

Michael547:
The bible clearly Shows that Almighty God revealed himself to his servants of old like Noah and Abraham and Moses directly and sometimes through angels. God made Moses the mediator Between himself and the chosen nation of isreal in the old covenant in the religion of Judaism. God sent his only begotten Son Jesus to put an end to the old covenant and establish a new one in which he is the mediator. In the New covenant, you cannot access the father without the son.

The Son is the head of the church and those who are followers of Jesus are called Christians. Faithful servants of old were not required to have faith in Jesus to Worship God.

If he is not willing to accept the highlighted i don't think there is any reason to continue wasting my precious time on him!

Michael547:
Most translations in Galatians 3:19 use the word 'mediator' to refer to Moses in that verse. Please who was Paul referring to as the mediator in that verse through whom the law was given?

Sir again you are wrong.. There are over 3000 bible translations and I am sure you did not check to see how most translated that verse so clearly, you are being dishonest here.
But even if most did, I am not shy to stick with the minority when correct. In Galatians 3, the only mediator Paul was referring to is Jesus Christ.
Now I have answered your question, can you please answer mine?

Michael547:
The bible clearly Shows that Almighty God revealed himself to his servants of old like Noah and Abraham and Moses directly and sometimes through angels. God made Moses the mediator Between himself and the chosen nation of isreal in the old covenant in the religion of Judaism. God sent his only begotten Son Jesus to put an end to the old covenant and establish a new one in which he is the mediator. In the New covenant, you cannot access the father without the son. The Son is the head of the church and those who are followers of Jesus are called Christians. Faithful servants of old were not required to have faith in Jesus to Worship God.

So according to you doctrine, man has lost the privilege of accessing the Father directly. Ok .
There are many holes in your doctrine. First, your doctrine make Christ a liar.
Secondly your doctrine shows that the coming of Christ was unnecessary. If men of old did not need him to access God, then his coming is only ceremonious as we also could have continued to access God without him.
Lastly, according to your doctrine, we have at least 2 mediators hence Paul lied when he wrote,
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
So clearly my brother, your doctrine is not based on the bible but on guesswork and it doesn't add up.

tctrills:
So according to you doctrine, man has lost the privilege of accessing the Father directly. Ok .
There are many holes in your doctrine. First, your doctrine make Christ a liar.

Show me evidence that men of old had to have faith in Jesus to communicate with the Father. I repeat that Jesus words in John 14:6 takes effect under the new covenant.

Secondly your doctrine shows that the coming of Christ was unnecessary. If men of old did not need him to access God, then his coming is only ceremonious as we also could have continued to access God without him.

Jesus coming was to teach people more about his Father and to start a new religion on how to please his father and also to save mankind from sin and death caused from Adamic sin by willingly sacrificing his life.

Lastly, according to your doctrine, we have at least 2 mediators hence Paul lied when he wrote,
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
So clearly my brother, your doctrine is not based on the bible but on guesswork and it doesn't add up.

😂😂You are funny. Paul clearly stated that Moses was the mediator in the old covenant in Galatians 3:19. Hebrews 9:15 says that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. Can you kindly tell us where Paul said that Jesus was the mediator of the old covenant?

tctrills:
Sir again you are wrong.. There are over 3000 bible translations and I am sure you did not check to see how most translated that verse so clearly, you are being dishonest here.
But even if most did, I am not shy to stick with the minority when correct. In Galatians 3, the only mediator Paul was referring to is Jesus Christ.
Now I have answered your question, can you please answer mine?

😂😂😂....please post your own translation here. Don't just shout about translation.
Are you saying that Paul meant that God gave the law to Jesus through the angels? So how did the law get to the isrealites? Was it Jesus that was communicating to God and the isrealites?

Michael547:
😂😂😂....please post your own translation here. Don't just shout about translation.
Are you saying that Paul meant that God gave the law to Jesus through the angels? So how did the law get to the isrealites? Was it Jesus that was communicating to God and the isrealites?

Here is my translation sir. In fact, I am posting more verses to give you insight
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one
Do you see how wrong you are now?

tctrills:
Here is my translation sir. In fact, I am posting more verses to give you insight
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one
Do you see how wrong you are now?

Oga how am I wrong? Who is the seed in that verse and who is the mediator in that verse? Kindly explain.
Below also is another version of the bible.

Michael547:
Oga how am I wrong? Who is the seed in that verse and who is the mediator in that verse? Kindly explain.
Below also is another version of the bible.

He will continue to argue blindly as long as you are not ready to admit that both of you can be right from different opinions.
His Logo is
"let's agree to disagree"

In other words you should accept that either side could be right or wrong so no absolute trust in whatever either side believes!

[quote author=Michael547 post=131837266]Show me evidence that men of old had to have faith in Jesus to communicate with the Father. I repeat that Jesus words in John 14:6 takes effect under the new covenant.
I have already given you evidence. What evidence is more than the words of Jesus Christ.
He already told you that no man can come to the father but by him.
It seems you don't know the meaning of evidence.
Now let me explain with an example. If I testify that no man can operate my laptop without me given him the password, and you see someone using my laptop, what does that mean to you?
Now for more evidence.
Gal 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Heb 11.13
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Jesus coming was to teach people more about his Father and to start a new religion on how to please his father and also to save mankind from sin and death caused from Adamic sin by willingly sacrificing his life.

😂😂You are funny. Paul clearly stated that Moses was the mediator in the old covenant in Galatians 3:19. Hebrews 9:15 says that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. Can you kindly tell us where Paul said that Jesus was the mediator of the old covenant?


So I have showed you that your translation is false.
Now Paul did not need to say Jesus is the mediator of the old testament since he already said.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
The old testament doesn't need a special mediator and it's only your wrong translation that states that Moses was the mediator.
I think your problem is that you don't know the meaning of a mediator.
Let's start from that.
A mediator is
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
Oxford dictionary says, a person or an organization that tries to help reach an agreement or settlement to act as (mediator in the negotiations.
Moses did not have the power to mediate for the sins of David or Isaiah or Jeremiah or anyone in the old testament.

Michael547:
Oga how am I wrong? Who is the seed in that verse and who is the mediator in that verse? Kindly explain.
Below also is another version of the bible.

Good question now let me explain the bible to you.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one
Verse 16 makes it clear that Christ was the center of God's covenant with Abraham.
Verse 17 Abraham's covenant was confirmed in Christ.
Verse 18, Abraham did not live by the law but by his covenant/ promise in Christ.
Verse 19 says the law was there till the seed of whom the promise was made. The promise was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Do you get it now? It has nothing to do with Moses