alBHAGDADI:
I do have a job and I'm not a pastor. Rather, you should go get a job and stop trying to scam people by acting as if you want to buy their Adsense account, a thing which you will highjack from then as soon as they give you access. Or have you forgotten how you tried to scan me, Mr immaculatesnow?

Please, attack the message and stop trying to divert attention from it with this your pastor claim which is false.

alBHAGDADI:
Not salary increase but your increase.

Every time you make Money, that is an increase to you. Each months salary is an increase to your pocket. Give first fruit from it.

alBHAGDADI:


They don't know that it also comes with a blessing.

Proverbs 3:9-19
9 Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruit of all thine increase.
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

openmine:

Oga na plunder nah aka "war spoils"....how money take enter war spoils?
There is also a difference between a parable and a then existing law....!
Jesus used the illustration to show the emptiness and hypocrisies of the Pharisees!
Chai Chai

alBHAGDADI:
At least it is recorded that Abraham tithed. Now, where is it recorded that the children of Israel tithed?

Horlufemi:


They even forget Abraham returned the 90% he didn't keep anything.

From the spoils

1. He gave 10% to the preist
2. He returned 90%

I would gladly tithe like that but I will be broke and they will say I don't have the spirit of God.

alBHAGDADI:

We are barely days into the New Year and those against tithe/firstfruits have already started launching their attack on the doctrine. According to these people, the concept of firstfruits is not a doctrine for Christians because we are not under the law of Moses. What they fail to know is that even before the forefathers of Moses were born, God had been collecting first fruits from humans. This post will show that it is God himself that ordained the collection of firstfruits and it is not subject to any law.

The first person recorded to have given first fruit or firstling is Abel the son of Adam and Eve. He and his brother Cain were told to do so By God.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

You see, whenever we mention Abel as someone who gave first fruit way before the law of Moses, all those anti-tithers love to give excuses to rubbish such point. One of the excuses they give is that God didn't command or order him to bring any first fruit, which means he did it of his own free will. Before I show you that it is God that commanded Abel and Cain to make that sacrifice, I will first of all like to show you that these anti-tithers understand nothing about the Bible. They don't understand because they lack the spirit of God, that's why someone can deceive them easily against tithing.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and
they are life.

They lack the spirit of God, that's why they don't understand the word of God which is spiritually discerned. Now, let me show you that God gave the command for Abel and Cain to offer sacrifice unto him. See what the Bible said below.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Did you notice the words in bold above? The above verse says Abel offered sacrifice to God by faith. This means he believed in the word of God and proceeded to offer the sacrifice. This clearly shows that the word of God told him to do what he did, meaning he didn't do it if his own free will. See what the Bible says about faith and the word of God below.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

As seen above, you can't have faith without hearing the word of God. Now, if the Bible in Hebrews 11:4 says Abel had faith in God towards offering a sacrifice, then it means he heard the word of God telling him to offer the sacrifice. He heard the word of God and had faith in it which made him carry out the command.

It's now ridiculous for people who lack understanding of the Bible to sit somewhere and start saying God never commanded Abel to bring first fruits or firstlings. They read the Bible like it's a romance novel, that's why they never grab anything from the word which is spirit.

It is that same practice of Abel that Abraham followed, his grandson Jacob followed and also the children of Israel under the law of Moses. God is still the same yesterday, today and forever. He change not. If he collected first fruit from the people of old even way before the law of Moses, then what makes you think he has changed?

Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Yes, I understand that many are angry that today's pastors have abused this doctrine and have enriched themselves with it to the point of living in opulence and flying in jets. But that doesn't mean we should throw away the doctrine which is the word of God. Throwing it away because of them is like throwing away the baby with the bath water.

If you feel your church is one those who have abused this doctrine, then find another church which hasn't; they exist. Mind you, not all churches are really the house of God. As long as the message they preach is works based salvation and not saved by grace alone, then such is not the house of God. Such churches are an example of Cain and his offering. That is why most people who pay first fruits there are not really getting blessed. Let me show you why they are Cain.

Remember we established above that it was the word of God that made Cain and Abel make sacrifice unto God. But how come God rejected Cain's sacrifice but accepted Abel's?

Cain failed to follow instruction given by God's word. How do we know what this instruction is? We know this from Abel's sacrifice which the Bible says God had respect for. Abel made a blood sacrifice unto God, he sacrificed a lamb. Had it been Cain did the same thing, his sacrifice would have been accepted too. Rather, he offered fruits of the ground while Abel offered the blood of a lamb which represents the blood of Jesus Christ who is this Holy Lamb.

Cain's offering was based on his works. He thought if he offered an offering based on his sweat of tilling the soil and harvesting the produce, God will be more pleased by his effort. He failed to obey simple instruction of offering blood sacrifice, instead he relied on his WORKS. His sacrifice represents work based salvation, hence the reason why God rejected it.

Abel on the other hand followed the instructions God gave. He didnt rely on his works but relied on the blood of the lamb which is the same as relying on the blood of Jesus which was sacrificed on the cross. That is what God wants us to do today. But these dubious churches have changed the gospel and are now selling a work based salvation where people No longer rely on the sacrifice of Jesus but on their works of righteousness or their ability not to sin. They have turned their congregation into people who will present works of righteousness which the Bible calls filthy rags before God as their means of salvation.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing , and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

They do not know that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. And it is not of our works lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So, if your church is telling you that you can lose your salvation and that salvation involves works, then that is a clear pointer that such a place is not the house of God. That is why the pastors of such churches are very wealthy because they do not believe in God and have fleeced the sheep to stupor. If you continue to give your money whether in offering, tithe or first fruit, just know that your money is not reaching God. It's the same as going to GTBank to send Money to me when I don't bank with them. The money won't get to me. You have to look for the right bank which I have an account with before I can receive the money.

To all those who go about telling people Not to pay tithe or give Money to church, be careful or else God will descend on you.

Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You know little about God's word yet you are going about persuading people to disobeying him. If you have decided not to pay to churches, so be it. But going about telling others to do the same is very dangerous.

Many will come to this thread to try to rubbish it by saying I'm a pastor trying to defend my cake. I'm not a pastor neither do I have a church. People who make such claims only do so to prove they are on the wrong. They attack the messenger while they neglect the message. That is being guilty.

samydo:



The early u accept the truth the better for your life

greatman247:



LOL. I like you, you are very funny. And MR Op, I don't believe your write up, I believe in Tithe though, it's there in the Bible but Bible states who Tithes are to be given to and not Pastors as it is seen in the world today, especially in 9ja. From your write up, nowhere God mentioned Firstfruit, you simply wanted to force your own view on us, God mentioned sacrifice, and sacrifice means a lot of things okay. Unless you will like to school me more, cos I'm confused, I'm not even a serious church goer anymore, I enjoy my life this way and have my personal reasons. Sick and tired of Nigerian Christians being hypocritical.

meccuno:

snowxandria:


Thanks my guy the op is a pastor baboon

Anas09:

So you are a Christian who do not believe in what YHWH did with the Jews? Where are your roots?

Oh wait. Are you a seed of Abraham? Why, are you a Jew? Are you a follower of Jesus of Nazareth? Why, are you a Jew?

We do not live in an Agrarian society when everything was crops anymore, that doesn't mean God has changed or His ordinances have become obsolete. If you don't do it, then don't do it, but to condemn it is wrong.

My harvest from my farm is my wages or income if i were living in the Medieval era, but, i now live in the Modern era when everything is monetary and my wage or income is salary, shouldn't i keep up with obligations because the society has changed?

EdifiedHebrew:
You are totally wrong, You don't have any right to collect any firstfruit because Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ has risen from the dead and he is our firstfruits. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The original new year comes up in spring equinox not winter. and our new year ordained by Yahawah is the month of Feast of Passover. Please read the Bible according to the commandment of Yahawah don't mislead people with wrong precepts.
ISAIAH 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

EXODUS 12: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,

2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.

EXODUS 13: 3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.
4 This day came ye out in the month Abib.

5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.

Horlufemi:


They have no interest in this. Christ being the firstfruit of the great resurrection into glory. These pastors knows this but because of the greed they will live in denial.

alBHAGDADI:


You people are not only spiritually blind but illiterates too. When the Bible called Christ the firstfruit, it is not saying Christ has paid our firstfruit so we don't have to pay anymore. It is simply saying that Jesus is the first of those who will resurrect, because he has resurrected from the dead. Every other person who has died are still asleep, but Christ has risen and so is the firstfruit of them all i.e the first to rise. It is during his second coming that others will rise too.

Now read the passage below for understanding and stop being received by those who love to quote scriptures falsely


1 CORINTHIANS 15:20

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Horlufemi:


Just sad that the distraction called Prosperity Gospel has taken the joy out of Christianity.

My question for you is tithe, firstfruit or offering a requirement for eternal life in Christ Jesus?

alBHAGDADI:
No.

The only requirement for eternal life is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ.

Tithe, offering and firstfruits are just for blessings on earth.

Horlufemi:


You mean to tell me that I need to give God money for God to bless me? This is pure heretical prosperity gospel.

The Abrahamic covenant is NOT a means to material entitlement

Jesus’s atonement DOES NOT extend to the “sin” of material poverty.

Christians DO NOT need to give in order to gain material compensation from God.

Faith is NOT a self-generated spiritual force that leads to prosperity

Prayer is NOT a tool to force God to grant prosperity

If you disagree with any of the above you need to repent or pray fervently for God to show you the true purpose of Christ.

According to what you stated I can ignore to get earthly blessings because I don't need it. I can still go to heaven right? Or am I disobeying a commandment?

Horlufemi:
Bro I'm confused should we use Abraham example to tithe or use Isrealites example or Jacob's or that of the Pharisees Christ mentioned.

I've studied tithing so much to know

1. Abraham gave 10% of the spoils of war and returned the 90%. He only tithed once.

2. That the Isrealites gave tithe as (a). farm produce only, (b). Once a year and (c). To widows and orphans every third year.

3. Jacob's tithing was conditional. "If you can bless me and make me come back". The "if " negates it being a commandment.

4. The Pharisees I'm sure didn't tithe money cos Christ mentioned "you tithe of mint and herbs in your little gardens".

5. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1–4—a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.
6. Then finally I would love to tithe if there are Levites available to collect them today. Unless you want to prove to me that pastors today are Levites, which we all know they aren't unless we wish to twist the scriptures to fit our narrative.

MuttleyLaff:
You arent even an Israelite to want to give tithe. Even you dont live and earn your livelihood from the grounds of Israel to want to give tithe. You are not a farmer, engaged in agriculture nor are you a breeder or tender of livestock to want to give tithe from them. Are you aware that Levitical tithes are only given and accepted in Israel?
If at all, its proven to you that pastors today are Levites, how would you justify your keeness and preparedness to give tithe? What condition(s), what box(es) would you say, you've ticked that qualifies you to give tithe?

alBHAGDADI:
Was Abraham an Israelite when he gave tithe? Was it only agricultural produce he gave as tithe or from all he got on that day?

SHOW me where God changed the law on tithing in the new testament. I bet you won't find such. You guys just want to throw away the Old testament with claims that it was for Israel. No, it is also for us Christians of today because the Bible says in the new testament that all scriptures are profitable for doctrine and more.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

That's why we hold on to the Old Testament laws which God didn't change in the New Testament and discard the ones he specifically changed.

An example is the dietary laws where he commanded his people not to eat pork and shrimps. That law was changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things EXCEPT Blood. Blood was restricted in the old testament and that law still holds today as seen by Paul's statement.

Romans 14:2-4 (KJV)
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from BLOOD, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Now if you say all the Old Testament laws have been thrown away because Jesus came to die for us, will you also say the below law against Cross-dressing has been thrown away too, such that men can now dress like women and women like men? Is that what Jesus came to die for?

Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV)
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.

As long as no new testament law changed the above law against crosss-dressing, then the law holds. Same way tithing which predates the law of Moses still holds cos it never got changed in the new testament.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Are you then saying you're following and/or ahering to the Abraham type of tithe giving?
2/ What conditions and boxes have ticked you that recognises you as being qualified to give the sort of Abraham type of tithe?
3/ Except for Abraham,, show where a non-Israelite, ever gave tithe to God. I bet you won't find such.

MuttleyLaff:
You arent even an Israelite to want to give tithe. Even you dont live and earn your livelihood from the grounds of Israel to want to give tithe. You are not a farmer, engaged in agriculture nor are you a breeder or tender of livestock to want to give tithe from them. Are you aware that Levitical tithes are only given and accepted in Israel?
If at all, its proven to you that pastors today are Levites, how would you justify your keeness and preparedness to give tithe? What condition(s), what box(es) would you say, you've ticked that qualifies you to give tithe?

Horlufemi:


Prove it first. Then even still I would only tithe if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the church benefit from the donation brought to the Church. But prove it first that Pastors are Levites. The only Church system I recognize is that of the early apostles. Nothing more nothing less.

Then address 1-5

Goshen360:


You don't understand what he wrote....read it again but this time read with the THIRD EYES AND LISTEN WITH THE THIRD EARS....ok

alBHAGDADI:
I'm adhering to the principle of tithing which is giving 10% of all to God Almighty.

alBHAGDADI:
As long as I depend on God to supply my needs which he does, I in turn giving 10% of all he has given me.

alBHAGDADI:
Jacob all practiced tithing, even though it is not recorded that he gave. It shows that it was a common practice passed down to him from his grandfather Abraham.

alBHAGDADI:
Go and read the story of Abraham and how he circumcised all those in his household, the servants and those he bought with his money. The circumcission was an order from God as a covenant between him and Abraham. If Abraham did circumcize those people whom event his blood, then he must have also taught them tithing which they must have practiced as well.