absoluteSuccess:


Time and again, you have failed the litmus test of the qualities of a reliable historian you alluded to in the above with impunity.

This definition did not described you, neither did you apply the techniques you alluded to anywhere in this post, its antics after antics to deal with your true "subject".

Therefore, you copied this definition online and cannot live up to its standards. You will always aspire higher but naturally gravitate to the core of your character.

You are a fraud.

You are recently asked to cite source to support your "Bantu common identity" instead, you switch to "Lower Guinea" from demographic clitche to regional geography.

How is switch between regional and demographic alternatives historical?

How stupid to make your knowledge of "Lower Guinea" as alternative to "bantoid" a validation of your erudition? Sometimes, responding to you can be embarrassing.



The Yoruba folks were organized into city-state like other early cultures of old. There were place names that the Yoruba folks brought from Canaan land to West Africa.

Ijebu: this is the original name that Jerusalem was known by and the English equivalent of this is "Jebusite".

Shagamu: this is another name of a place in the vicinity of ijebu, known as Shechem or Sakmu in the Bible and also the armana letters.

Ohori: here were the original inhabitants of Edom. The English equivalent of the Hori is the Horites as you have it in the scriptures.

Ketu: this is another place name among the Yoruba donated by the Levant. In the armana letters, it's Qeltu (Keila). In Yoruba, we say ketu-kena-fe.

Sabe: the Sabeans as were known in the Arabian antiquity dwells among the Bedouin at the onset of time. With them the Mecca origin of the Yoruba pertains.

Iba: the Iba is Yoruba for Eber, it's the Yoruba Hebrew heritage. The group in this bracket include Ife/Oyo and Edo, perhaps the largest company of the emigration.

Edo: this is equivalent of Edom, better known as Ado with the Yoruba. The Edomite Yoruba adopted 'Olofin" (Aluf) as the title of their leader. It could also mean levite.

This was how the Bible mentioned Yoruba people.

It identified them at their original homeland, the people traveled and kept their original identity and invoke the same in their new home.



You are a born fraudster. It would be great knowing what you do for a living: you hide information from sight in an incredible way that keeping sensitive materials at your disposal would be dangerous.

You spoke of "countless" with boldness, whereas you have no input in the countless contributions to the task, not brilliant enough to share a piece of the uncountable.

Yet what you claimed is not a proper source is consulted by about four disciplines that cut across pure science and the arts.

That acceptance reverts such fields to pseudosciences at best. It shouldn't be an accredited field of study that validates its findings with improper material.

Earlier, you claimed Bible could not hold in the face of proper history, but the proper history has suddenly vanished from sight.



Your words are few but void.

kayfra:


What a crock of sh!t!

How many minutes did it take you to conjure this nonsense

Obalufon:
berbers are not white the berbers you see now are mixed berbers with Arabs the real Berbers are still in Algeria and morroco though little mixed with white but black

Obalufon:



Indigenous Berber, the Blue men, with the eponymous blue cloth veil

One of the most misrepresent people in North Africa are the indigenous Berber people. These beautiful women are not shown on mainstream television, movies and rarely in print. These are the descendants of the ancient Berbers that the ancient Romans spoke of and wrote about.

The original indigenous Berbers were the North African ancestors of the present day dark-brown peoples of the Sahara and the Sahel, mainly those called Fulani, Tugareg, Zenagha of Southern Morocco, Kunta and Tebbu of the Sahel countries, as well as other dark-brown arabs now living in Mauretania and throughout the Sahel, including the Trarza of Mauretania and Senegal, the Mogharba as well as dozens of other Sudanese tribes, the Chaamba of Chad and Algeria.” The Westerners have chosen to concentrate on the most recent world of the Arab and Berber-speaking peoples and present it as if it is a world that has always been. “It is like comparing the Aztecs of five hundred years ago with the ethnic mix of America today,” wrote Reynolds. “The story of when North Africa was Moorish and Arabia, the land of Saracens, has yet to be told.”

– Dana Reynolds, Anthropologist

Anthropologist, Dana Reynolds traced the African roots of the original North African peoples through a dozen Greek and Byzantine (neo-Roman writers) from the first to the sixth century A.D. “They describe the Berber population of Northern Africa as dark-skinned [modern Europeans call dark brown skin color, as black-skinned] and woolly-haired.” Among these writers who wrote about the Berbers were Martial, Silius Italicus, Corippus and Procopius.

Saint Augustine was a dark-skinned Berber and many of the later Roman emperors would have trouble getting citizenship in some of today’s European states.

– Professor Mikuláš Lobkowicz, the former rector of the Munich university and current director of the Institute of Central and East European Studies in Eichstätt.

There are those who say that the Berber is part of the African story of Ham, from the land of Ber, the son of biblical figure Ham.

The original inhabitants of Ireland before the Celts invaded were Berber people who stretch all the way from Saharan Africa to Western Ireland. In North Africa they are known as Berbers, the original people before the Arab invasion of North Africa, they were known to the ancient Greeks and Romans as “barbarians,” the Tuaregs of Nigeria, Niger, Chad, etc. are a Berber people.

[Editors note: the Kanuris of North-Eastern Nigeria are known as the Iberi-beris. They are Berbers originally from Fezzan Libya]

In Spain and Portugal they were known as “Iberians,” which is the name of the Peninsula. In Ireland the Berbers are known as “Hibernians.” The Celts and later invaders pushed them back to the West of Ireland, where you most commonly see the “black Irish” with black hair and brown eyes. The most popular recreational organization of Irish Americans is the Ancient Order of Hibernians (AOH).

Modern Berber family having a traditional meal

The images that are shown in mainstream television, movies and in print are of the lighter skinned people that are also referred as Berber. Modern north Africa has changed a great deal, from waves of invasions such as the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Germanic tribes, Arabs, Turks and the French have led to the amalgamation in the region. The role of literally millions of enslaved Indo-Europeans and concubinage in the creation of admixed populations in cities like Tunis, Tripoli, Fez, Sale and Algiers are well documented. This is the formation of populations in north Africa today. These now lighter skinned people do not call themselves African. In fact, the term “African” is a very demonized term to many, more than likely because of the modern European invasion into Africa, Europeans had to justify their behavior (some still do), and the term African is the object of ridicule and humiliation. The term Berber is now a regional word to apply to these people that now share many common cultural ideas and customs. “

Obalufon:
berbers are not white the berbers you see now are mixed berbers with Arabs the real Berbers are still in Algeria and morroco though little mixed with white but black

2prexios:


I want to believe you did not register a brand new account on nairaland just for this? Time will tell.



Our obsession to black race is to inform you that we have history dating back to 5000 years ago in non-black societies around the world today.

We are not a 'negro' whose history began with the advent of the European explorers in West coast, whose antiquity must be confined to this place.

We are not negro whose identity is a continent they have to themselves, we are a people who can trace back to our root as far back.

We are not an object of white Historical and scientific studies, we have interest in our history and antiquities too.

So don't worry if we think differently too. We are not writing the history of the world, but the unwritten history of our ancestors.

We have history dating that far, 5000 years of footprints stretching beyond our immediate environment, it's not a crime making this an obsession.

Why do you prefer we confine to the continent we have? I think NASA need to confine to the earth and not find out about the outer space anymore.

The limit of knowledge is always stretching.

RamessesIV:
Lol so because of some racist in faraway europe that's why you're doing all this,lol white people said you don't have history so you're making up yours To prove what So what will the ones in native america and Australia do?

And when I refer to "negro" I refer to dark-skinned people of sub-saharan ancestry,funny how black history these days is always about the middle east and north africa and not sub-saharan africa itself �����

RamessesIV:
Lol so because of some racist in faraway europe that's why you're doing all this,lol white people said you don't have history so you're making up yours To prove what So what will the ones in native america and Australia do?

And when I refer to "negro" I refer to dark-skinned people of sub-saharan ancestry,funny how black history these days is always about the middle east and north africa and not sub-saharan africa itself �����

RamessesIV:
Lol so because of some racist in faraway europe that's why you're doing all this,lol white people said you don't have history so you're making up yours To prove what So what will the ones in native america and Australia do?

And when I refer to "negro" I refer to dark-skinned people of sub-saharan ancestry,funny how black history these days is always about the middle east and north africa and not sub-saharan africa itself �����

Obalufon:
berbers are not white the berbers you see now are mixed berbers with Arabs the real Berbers are still in Algeria and morroco though little mixed with white but black

macof:


African history that is about middle East and not Africa... Is that African history?

These guys are ignorant clowns suffering from inferiority complex and certainly some mental health issues too

S400:


arabs have a more black skin then berbers , you can see the difference between saudi's and algerians , tunisians , moroccans

Obalufon:
Milk skinned Algerian are Syrian, turks jordan..go and do DNA test STOP faking the aborigine

MetaPhysical:


The reference to middle east is nothing but your stereotypes at play.

We've beat this thing to death already.

There is nothing wrong with Yoruba coming from middle east or china or mexico or mongolia or even sub sahara.

We are following footprints in the dust. The footprints point to Afro Asia.

Forget about where Yoruba came from, review the footprints to see where they lead, period!

macof:
serious inferiority complex.
To these folks, to strive to be anything but the "uncivilised African" is the aim. Just look at how they refer to African people and cultures as monkeys

And what other thing to be than those they have been indoctrinated through religion to believe are divinely superior
Deep down they consider the Yoruba in her African heritage to be inferior but remove the "African" and add the "Semitic" and they can feel better. The delusion is a coping mechanism
But let's not excuse this, it is regardless only a mind utterly lacking in intelligence that would shun evidence for imaginary nonsense

Obalufon:
Rest to your imagination..i don't engage fools.. Berbers are light skin are you Berber Rameses V ? ..Macof the lower quinea Bantu and the hexed guy igbo boy kayfra that has already stepped on time bomb.. Berber are never light skin Caucasian the light skinned Berbers are Arabs or Turks mixed .. There are lot of black Berbers in Algeria and libya .. i know phenotype is what is disturbing you broad nose and thick lips like macofs ..African is diverse continent

MetaPhysical:


The reference to middle east is nothing but your stereotypes at play.

We've beat this thing to death already.

There is nothing wrong with Yoruba coming from middle east or china or mexico or mongolia or even sub sahara.

We are following footprints in the dust. The footprints point to Afro Asia.

Forget about where Yoruba came from, review the footprints to see where they lead, period!

S400:



look , i'm algerian and berber myself , i know my country , history a little better , , we have even extrem blond blue eyes berbers here , berbers are known for being white , and arabs from pinsula arabia have a darkest skin

you can check your self pics of algerian , moroccan , tunisian streets see your self the color of the population . the dark skin you will find it in the south of sahara .

most algerians , moroccans , tunisians , libyans are berbers by genetics and arab by language only ( by definition arab are not only poeple from pensula arabia with arab genetic but include also poeple that use arabic as first language even if they havnt not arab genetics)

berbers history civilisations kingdoms are very old , hundreds years before B.C , check numidia kingdom all there kings , dynasty are well documented , with their faces on the coins of the time , sculptures etc.... caucasians since ever . same for saint augustino


and your are talking about DNA tests , there is a lot of DNA test that was down on maghreb populations same result

on the pic : An exemple of a dna study about tunisian population , you can see that they have less arab genes than europeans ones and there genetics is mostly local berber north africcan

kayfra:


If you have a need to be white. Bleach your skin or preferably, drink bleach.

Stop appropriating other people's history to connect to white folks. Use my recommendation and end your misery all by yourself.

macof:


This one doesn't know what lower Guinea is yet quick to jump on my mention of it
Rather than educate yourselves you choose to remain ignorant and silly
You claim here to have Yoruba traditions as your source, yet when Yoruba traditions cannot serve your Hebrew obsession you condemn same traditions

Prof. Eluyemi, Prof Akintoye, Obadio, Elebuibon and several others I have mentioned are unknown sources?? You are not normal

absoluteSuccess:
We are familiar with the story of Elijah in the Hebrew scripture.

There seems to be a Yoruba perspective to it: Aja.

The name Ajagbe may be a repository of history that seek to immortalize the memorial of Elijah in anal of Yoruba liturgy. All that is left of that is a foggy tradition that we may still remember to some extent.

In one of Yoruba's storytelling, its often said that when there is whirlwind, someone can be taken away, and so, no one must get close to an active whirlwind. It is often said that whirlwind may take one away and when one comes back, one becomes very powerful.

The regular whirlwind is 'iji' in Yoruba, while 'Aja' is the one that takes one away that one may return and be very powerful. I want to think the belief is well rooted among ancient Yoruba, hence the name Ajagbe was coined to mean "taken away by whirlwind".

In fact, while throwing water on the whirlwind, the Yoruba often shout thief!! to break the whirlwind before it damages or takes anyone away. Aja is akin to Jah in Elijah, meaning 'El is Jah'. Aja is Yoruba for somewhere in the sky where one goes to become powerful.

Well you wont find Elijah in Yoruba tradition, but you will find a gist or a hint that shows that a man can be taken away by whirlwind unto the sky is tenable in Yoruba tradition, then you can bring the integrals closer to see how the story goes. who learnt from who?

Elijah's ascention is 'Ajagbe' to the ancient Yorubas, although they lost the records, but they kept the foggy idea till date.

Erimoje ni mi,
Omo Sa Aja...

RamessesIV:
Lol many don't know these the magbreb was arabized culturally not genetically,dna studies has shown that even present day morocco large majority of the population even those who claim Arab ancestry are still native Berbers �����

kayfra:


What a crock of sh!t!

How many minutes did it take you to conjure this nonsense

RamessesIV:
Lol this is just foreign influence playing,in china in city of liquan the natives there claim roman ancestry,in pakistan many muslims these days are claiming arab ancestry,this obsession is because north africa and the middle east is close to us and it has a lot of religious influence

MetaPhysical:
Call to all seasoned contributors, please completely ignore gregyboy and any discuss on Edo in this thread. Gregyboy will derail this thread if entertained. All talks on Edo and Benin have more than enough threads to host discussions pertaining to them.

RamessesIV:
Lol many don't know these the magbreb was arabized culturally not genetically,dna studies has shown that even present day morocco large majority of the population even those who claim Arab ancestry are still native Berbers �����

MetaPhysical:


You said Arabized culturally.

What is Arab culture, and before its creation what was the culture of the area? Something preceeded Arab in that area. What was it?

S400:



look , i'm algerian and berber myself , i know my country , history a little better , , we have even extrem blond blue eyes berbers here , berbers are known for being white , and arabs from pinsula arabia have a darkest skin

you can check yourself pics of algerian , moroccan , tunisian streets see your self the color of the population . the dark skin you will find it in the south of sahara .

most algerians , moroccans , tunisians , libyans are berbers by genetics and arab by language only ( by definition arabs are not only poeple from pensula arabia with arab genetic but include also poeple that use arabic as first language even if they havn't arab genetics)

berbers history civilisations kingdoms are very old , hundreds years before B.C one of the first civilisation in africa with egyptian , check numidia kingdom all there kings , dynasty are well documented , with their faces on the coins of the time , sculptures etc.... caucasians since ever . same for saint augustino

+ the blue men you quoted refer to the Touaregs population ( mix between berbers and sub saharian africcan ) they live in south algeria mali niger burkina ect....

and your are talking about DNA tests , there is a lot of DNA test that was done on maghreb populations same result

on the pic : An exemple of a dna study about tunisian population , you can see that they have less arab genes than europeans ones and there genetics is mostly local berber north africcan

gregyboy:



Yorubas are not. Hebrew you all should stop deceiving yourselves rather say the hebrew peole migrated from yoruba......

All i see is inferiority complex worrying yoruba people thesame inferiority complex you guys are always using your history to rob we benins there is never a Yoruba history that is complete without mentioning benin alongside

gregyboy:



Yorubas are not. Hebrew you all should stop deceiving yourselves rather say the hebrew peole migrated from yoruba......

All i see is inferiority complex worrying yoruba people thesame inferiority complex you guys are always using your history to rob we benins there is never a Yoruba history that is complete without mentioning benin alongside

Obalufon:
I know you are Algerian if you are white skinned you are not Algerian aborigine ,you are mixed of turk and middle east what will you say about the dark skinned Berbers and Algerian ..i know you people discriminate again them alot ..in antiquity north African were black skinned till they get bleached out by invaders..