macof:


Lmao you call me a psychopath. Because I ask you to provide evidence for your claims

Instead of crying and ranting simply do the needful and stop trying to use Yoruba to feed yourself, go into something productive not destructive. You are not fit to be taken seriously on yoruba historical matters
I have embarrassed you severally for you to do a rethink of this your evil and shameless agenda

macof:


1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.



4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

Olu317:
Lol. Deceit js what you know how to do. So, I won't answer your question to pick more Hebrew words from me. But I will post what and when I desire. So, stop behaving as unread person.

1. What is the Yoruba story ? Please explain beyond incoherent information of descending from Heaven . You people aren't realists! Well, my ancestor in my Oriki mentioned Oru as their place of origin, Am I also from Heaven ?

2. Bro macof you skip information nos: 2! Are you under pressure ? !

3. I didn't mentioned Sultan Bello says, Opa Orammiyah in his account. You and lie are like 5&6. Interestingly other scholars who have more knowledge on Egyptians hieroglyphs did research on it and they realised it wasn't built by Egyptians elite nor its type found in Sub Sahara,although Ibos have a pyramid, which is similar to the one found in Egypt. So, the conclusion as at that time, was that there are characters on the Opa Oranmiyan. Deal with it

4. Yoruba's Ifaodu is written in Torah as Eyphod or Ephod. Google can help you find the proposed meaning of it on Wikipedia.

b. Pick up books to know that shrines in Near East of ancient Hebrew did built alter as Yoruba people did in the past. Google will help you solve this small issue.

c. Ask people who have gone to Kaaba in Mecca,how they enter it and compare it with Yoruba's Awo's entry into a shrine . olodo lasan li e.


5. Wait for it. Do you expect me to give away a super information that has taken me years on a platform as this? Certainly not but I share the little with all of you to prepare your mind,so that you will know the wonderful information on Yoruba ancestors and their legacy.

b. Nah, I am not the angry type but you. Trust me, I can only posit my information based on my findings. So far, I have no reason to be angry because my work is true and will hit the stall in the near future.

6. Yoruba language is Coptic Egyptian's in the same way you found it in Bini, Dahomey. What is Coptic Language ? it is a ritual ancient Christian language that was spoken in Egypt at a time in history. Bro,try to learn how to juxtapose with civility and uprightness. Below are:

COPTIC EGYPTIAN'S IN COMPARISON WITH LANGUAGE YORUBA COGNATE

1. Egypt. Wu (rise)
Yoruba: Wu (rise)

2. Egypt: Akhat(calendar, season, period)
Yoruba : Wakati (time, period, season)

3. Egypt: Eaure (Python / Serpent)
Yoruba: Ere (gigantic snake,python/ Serpent)

4. Egypt: HOrise (a great god)
Yoruba: Orisha,risha,oritse,orise (a great god,ancestors, head, patrilineal or matrilineal ancestors)


5. Egypt: group of worshiper Sen (group of worshipers)
Yoruba: Sin,Si,sen (assemblage of worshippers to worship)


6. Egypt: Ged (to chant)
Yoruba: Ogede, Igede (a chant)

7. Egypt:Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

8. Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

9. Egypt: On ( living person)
Yoruba: One ( living person)

10. Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

11. Egypt:Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

12. Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Okun, Ekun (,strength, bold, brave man)


13. Egypt: Odonit (festival)
Yoruba: Odon , odun (festival)

14. Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath)
Yoruba : mae, Mi (to breathe )

15.Egypt: Tebu (a town)
Yoruba: Tebu(a town)

16. Egypt: Adumu (a water god)
Yoruba: Adumu (a water venerated deity)

17. Egypt: Khu (to kill)
Yoruba: Ku (die)

18. Egypt Rekha (knowledge}
Yoruba: rikha, re ka(to be able to read ; knowledgeable)

19. Egypt : Hika (evil)
Yoruba: Ika,uka (evil , wickedness, wicked,

20. Egypt : Mhebi (humble)
Yoruba: Mebi, humble to ones family

20. Egypt: Sata (perfect)
Yoruba: Santan (perfect)

21 Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una, Ina, na, (fire,light)

22. Egypt: Tan (complete)
Youba: Tan (complete,finished,)

23.Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (,tremble, fear)

24. Egypt: Em (smell)
Yoruba: Emi (smell)

25.Egypt: Pa (open)
Yoruba: Pa (break open)

26. Egyt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)

27/Egypt: Heqet-Re (frog deity)
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

28. Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

29. Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

30. Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

31 Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba: Omi (water)


32.Egypt : Ra (time)
Yoruba: Ira (time)

34 Egypt: Oni (title of Osiris)
Yoruba : Oni (title of the king of Ife)

35.Egypt: Budo (dwelling place)
Yoruba: Ibudo,Budo (dwelling place)


36 Egypt: Dudu (black image of Osiris)
Yoruba: Dudu (black person)

37. Egypt: Un (living person)
Yoruba: Uni, unea, eni (living person, individual person)

38. Egypt: Ra (possess)
Yoruba: Ra (possess/buy)


39.Egypt: Beka (pray/confess)
Yoruba: Be or ka (to pray or confess)

40.Egypt: Po (many)
Yoruba: Po (many/cheap)

41. Egypt: Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo
Yoruba: Horuw,Orun, (head)

42.Egypt: Ash (invocation)
Yoruba: Ashe (invocation,authority)

44Egypt: Aru (mouth)
Yoruba: Arun, anu (mouth )

45.Egypt: Do (river)
Yoruba: Odo (river)

46.Egypt: Do (settlement)
Yoruba: Ido, Udo,Do (settlement)

47. Egypt: Bu (a place)
Yoruba: Bu ,a place


48.Egypt: Khepara (beetle)
Yoruba: Apakara, Akpakara (beetle)

49. Egypt: Ra -Shu (light after darkness)
Yoruba: Uran-shu, Ora shu, Oru shu, (the sunlight is dim, he sun light of the moon, night time when light has dimmed)

50 Egyt: Run-ka (spirit name)
Yoruba:Oruko, ruko(name)

51 Egypt: Aru (rise)
Yoruba: Ru, a ro, ro (rise up)


52.Egyot: Ma (to know)
Yoruba: Ma (to know)

53. Egypt: Mu (water)
Yoruba:Mu, omi, ( water)

Lastly, some of the above words can also mean other things in Yoruba but the above shows Yoruba language was spoken in Coptic era. After all, Ifa Afa, appeared in north Africa at one time or the other in Africa's history. Even attah of Igala said, Ifaodu was a unifying factor beyond Yoruba land with other groups.

macof:
... ever since I found out that MFM was sponsoring one guy to go on all platforms to propagate this Hebrew idea I realised it was an agenda to Abrahamize the Yoruba ...

macof:


LOL. Your command of yoruba language is poor for someone who calls me a non Yoruba and claims to be an expert Yoruba language decoder or cripted programmer or how do you call it again?

Ọlọfin is a dialectical version of Alaafin that stuck due to popularity.
In central and eastern Yoruba dialects it is Ọfin (Palace).
Not "one who twists the rules" ..

There is no Ewọ (taboo) in Atẹwọrọ
Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend)
So it means to descend through a chain

You should really stop, it's disgraceful what you do

2prexios:


When I told you that you are a plaigerising lot claiming to be historians, you were all like you are the best thing that ever happened to Yoruba history.

But here you all came for the bait because you wanted empty glory you never laboured for. Again macof, you are a pure serpent parading himself as an expert.i thought you claim "critic" is what you do best?

You can post the other info about oke ora, via Wikipedia but this tradition is not fit for public consumption, but the moment you saw my book, you became the advocate of the core truth you are hiding.

Don't you have brain enough to see I gave the very same interpretation you are submitting afresh before you did? So what's your excitement? That's called afterthought.

In fact you are a very clever clown. When you make your claim to Oke ora, I asked you for a core tradition on Oduduwa, you came up with festivals, rituals and rites of Ife.

I told you to let heaven be heaven and that you are turning the tradition of Oduduwa coming from heaven to Oke ora urban legend. You came back claiming all sorts.

Now that you saw my book, kia lo gbe oke ora ju sile, Erin fee pami So you know this but hide it from the public?

Can you see you are still confused? Can you please validate the tradition of descention of Oduduwa with fixed oral tradition from Ifa? At least you are the historian.

A tradition that has been in a culture for long should gather debris and become an enigma. A self acclaimed historian who picked up such and relay it the same way is not fit for the job.

Things are not the way they seems.

TAO11:


What!? Church sponsorship?

E reach like this?

macof:


1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.



4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

macof:


You are very silly. You have responded to this post with your other moniker, but you just can't let go of being exposed. Get off yourself and deal with the fact that you have a below average understanding of the Yoruba language and not the linguistic genius you claim to be.
Ebora is Deborah indeed

You are a Fraud and I demonstrate it every time

I have responded to you about Òkè-Ọ̀rà in ife traditions
I am waiting for you to debunk any information I have presented

Infact your argument here is not even about my post being wrong.. Its that I am not the originator
What dah hell is that? How many times would I tell you that history is not creative. You don't originate stories from your imagination.. That's not history you dimwit

2prexios:


How is it part of tradition? Care to explain?




Guy you have no clue what you want. How can you make claim for a man in two opposite directions? Oke ora? Heaven, sky? I already know your escape route.

One was his manifestation as god and as man later

That should be tenable to a hypnotic historian like you. It's your way of escape. What level of interpretation did you employ to get beyond all other possible meaning and arrive at the fact?

What if it's "Oduduwa a tewon ro"? That is, "one who descended from the prison"? . What stops you from viewing it from all possible angle?

2prexios:


You always have problem with the truth.


Ebora=Abraham

Ebora rhymes with Debora

The last time I quoted you was the post you claim to have embarrassed me severally. I know one thing about you, lie lie lie is the in thing in your life.

My simple request is that you have claimed to be an historian, but you are clueless about how the very tradition you jumped on emanated in Yoruba history, if you have any clue post it.

Insult and abracadabra man himself.

macof:


I have demonstrated the traditions that can be demonstrated online or in print. For further demonstration you would need to seek the traditional guardian on Oduduwa in Ife. Traditions are after all practical

Your unawareness of the duality of yoruba òrìṣà is evident of your ignorance.
All you know is church stuff not yoruba traditions.

2prexios:


You don't have any clue what Yoruba history entails, get a life bro. You can never have access to the pristine tradition of the Yoruba. You are a stranger.

I got you and here you are pushing your confusion as science. Go back and read Robin Law on Oyo empire and do your research. You are clueless.

All the answers are not in one place as you are meant to believe and make us believe.

macof:


You have seen and responded to that post weeks ago. But it still pains you and you have suddenly gathered energy to execute a fire back in the middle of the night.

You couldn't deal with the correction in my post then, you still can't now

Again you are unable to debunk any information I have presented while I have dismantled many of your nonsense

macof:


Still waiting for you to debunk a single piece of information I have dropped

what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

2prexios:
Rejection region in historical hypothesis

Professors of public opinion, tell me why my interpretation of atewonro cannot be any of the following, using extra material resources in your coffers as a trained and practicing historian:

A. Atewonro: one who from prison became sober.

B. One who twist the chain to it's elastic limit.

C. One who from the prison hangs

D. One who press chains to it's weak state.

Whenever you make an intelligent choice, you are discriminating on other options for a reason. Ability to come clean of the options you never choose is what proof your expertise.

Macof and software Generated Yoruba

And macof, twice you have given us lupo for ilu, and tele for te. You are the best in makeover. The same you are the one destroying others inputs.

But you are not wise enough to get it up your head that silebu ni ege oro ti eemi le gbe jade leekan soso. You lack the concept of syllable as a language user, be it English or Yoruba.

You don't have a sense of syllable as the unit of sounds in a word, hence your option is always crested only on the word given and it's meaning from a distance cluster as instance.

You always play safe. It shows you are Yoruba by software too, Yoruba with caution. No examples of variant meaning of a word or each syllable in a Yoruba word treated in dept on their own.

You alluded to linguistics but a failure at it you are. You only excel in temerity, your stock in trade. Your lies are in the open.

Read up rejection region in statistics and apply the same to what you do with public opinion generated conclusion as a "critic".

2prexios:


Who needs to debunk folly when it's of no consequence in real life?

Go back and read Robin Law. And here is a book that kept me awake in my library.

Bloody Serpent.

macof:


You cry and rant about how I dismantle your nonsense all the time.. Since you insist my information is folly... Do the needful and debunk them like I debunk all your nonsense

congratulations..
You have finally bought a book and started reading history from an actual historian like I told you to. No wonder you felt suddenly empowered to come fire back at me

Unfortunately for you, Robin Law does not propagate a single nonsense you claim on this forum. So don't just mention names of scholars for nothing

And what has Robin Law's "The Oyo empire" or any of his works got to do with your old interpretation or 4 new interpretations of "Ateworo"?

what was your purpose for mentioning him if not that you are excited to have finally started reading history

what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

macof:


Lmao this one is just running mad right now
I have demonstrated what atewonro and Olofin mean. You have not pointed out why my interpretation is wrong.
I broke down the word and gave examples of where else those broken down words are found. My break down is also consistent with every single translation of the word out there

After dropping one very ridiculous translation of Ateworo in your book.. You now have new 4 translations .. You have dumped the translation you gave in the book
Reason why you should not rush to write a book. You equip yourself with necessary training and knowledge of what you are writing

You are simply pained that you got exposed for your poor understanding of the language and seek to fire back.
All this rant of "I'm cautious I'm not original" bla bla is rant of a desperate fool who couldn't find any information I have dropped to debunk like I debunk your nonsense on a regular basis

2prexios:


Boy this has become your mantra. I am not your performance monkey. It's the circus's life you live, it's your destiny. You are the destroyer here, who is more psychopathic than you?



Scammer, I have attached the screenshot of a book I bought back then in 2007, you should check out the source of the word ejilaosebora in it, meaning "the twelve that emanated from Ebora".

Although it's syncretic, but the cluster ejilaosebora is historical. Your historians have found the facts of Yoruba history eventually? I am not a historian, I am a pundit of Yoruba tradition.

My beat is beyond "curricula history". Stick that to your head like you did Ebora is Debora. Your historians are not the custodians of Yoruba history or tradition. So don't sell me the dummy.



Scammer, you are on the path of scenting us off your trail again. What do you do for living? I believe you are a very great internet fraudster. You have uncanny ability to twist public opinion hither thither as you like with chutzpah.



Guy, life is possibly a fantasy in your clever world. You are here alluding to history, but you don't know what you don't know. You just unwittingly exposed yourself as a fool and myopic critic subjective in his source appraisal.



If you can ask this question, it's the law of unintended consequence acting on you. Your lies will continually compromise your cover. You are no historian but a mere atheist.

Since this was the post you made earlier but now cleverly panel beating again to fault me after you got the idea of its possible implosive implication. Your maneuvering proofs that you are a lunatic.

You are such a sick narcissist. You can never say yes to anyone as you desperately seek their disgrace, you still finds way to make your fault theirs. But hide as you can, your folly will keep trailing you.

You don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law.

macof:


Rants and cries from a pained frustrated fraud who knows he is being embarrassed
I'm still waiting for you to debunk any information I have posted here.

And i'm still waiting for how Robin Law's works confirm any single semitic nonsense you post here. Why mention Robin Law?
You are really ecstatic to have finally bought a history book we won't hear the end of it

macof

what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

macof:
I can't even remember who the writer is and I never saved the page.

One thing I remember is dat the 'ogiso' is an ijaw name as well as the name 'igodo'.

some geologist have described This region- that is South South Nigeria as a very old habitation dating several Years on BC(the figures I can't remember).

Two set of inhabitants is known
1. Ancient People from the sky known as Oru (possibly a variant of Horus- Egyptian God of the sky)
2. migrants from The North who settled in Ile-Ife and claimed descent from Oduduwa and Osara- must be Okanbi's followers or unrecorded children

The ijo seem to know a lot about Oduduwa even better than some Yoruba people(that is if their records are accurate)
They know his wife Osara and some claim descent from her.

Oduduwa according to ijo came from Nubia.
That could explain why Oduduwa was very friendly to Ogboroganda who also came from Nubian territories

2prexios:


I'm going through change eh.

ladionline:
This is beautiful, as for me, Ijaw are of the old Yoruba league.