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Yes Dear Jesoul, it is me

I decided to quit politics section for a while, it was full of quarrelling and hate. I find myself fighting with people I don't even know, people who may, in real life, actually be nice people I'll love to be with. I decided to come to religion section where I may benefit spiritually at least, and improve my bible knowledge. Needless to say, I was also dissappointed. People here are just like politics section, perhaps worse. But I started this reasearch on the bible, sex, slavery, divorce. I'm shocked that slavery was not condemned neither by Moses, nor by Christ. I believe I'm wrong so I needed help. Or is slavery of the bible not the same as the 400 yrs slavery of the USA( for example) which ended in the 19th century.

I'll read your posts and do more research on this issue bc it's worrisome to me. If you have any information about the bible and divorce, sex, domestic violence and democracy pls let me know.

Cheers.

Please bible scholars and experts I need some education here. How did the bible view slavery. I'm trying to do some study onthis but it seems I ain't making much progress.

I'm at Dayton airpot. Heading to UK today

republicans have tried to deny he rhetoric from them.
Gangsterbitch took down the crosshairs soon after the shooting
then they spin it that it ain't crosshairs after all

Roger Ailes orders fox news presenters to tone down the rhetoric
but they have not admitted to any vile rhetoric yet( wonder what they are toning down)
then they say it's bilateral, digging up democratic rhetoric from 2004.

Top republicans use language of violence and someone wants to compare with a democratic pollster and makes a false equivalent of vitriol.

The congresswoman personally complained of palin the gangsterbitch using crosshairs on her

6 people are dead, GOP congressmen won't hear of gun control

My JUdgement, within a few months, the rhetoric will go up again, anger and hatred will be watered by the agents of violence, then, it will happen again. America will never learn. I just learnt that there are over 270 million guns in America. Too late for gun control.
I'm off to London. A poorer but more sane society.

Tada!!!! Still awake

ok, democratic pollster said something, (sorry I didn't watch ur video, I never do) but
republican CONGRESSWOMAN " armed and dangerous"
republican VP CANDIDATE " don't retreat, reload" then put up crosshairs which you now try to spin as surveyors sign

why did the gangsterbitch quickly remove the crosshairs after the shooting. She didn't even wait for a day later. I thought it was harmless.

Ok, gotta sleep now,my flight is tomorow, let me get out of America before righties slam me with surveyors crosshair
David Cameron here I come.

The right makes every effort to say it's bilateral. Ok now palin never used crosshairs.
yet she took it down immediately after the shooting and made a statement sharp sharp , you guys can go as far back as 1776 to dig up what the democrats did. The democrats opposed lincolns emancipation proclamation in 1863 and tried to defeat him and establish peace with slavery in 1864.
In 1965, the democrats opposed civil rights bill proposed by their own democratic president.

Keep goin back to justify the vitriol that has come from the right since Obama bece a serious candidate for president and worsenend since he became president. Don't stop in 2004, go from 1776 to justify the vitriol of the right in recent times. If that doesn't work, deny that ther is no vitriol, if that doesn't work declare that it's bilateral.

Goodnight.

English is not my first language. Thanks for english lectures.

But, The police say the congresswoman was the primary target. Therefore,
primary action---->shoot the congresswoman,
by product-----> others get killed. Unless you can convince me the wacko came there to kill a 9 yr old or a judge that just strolled in from mass to see a friend.

Abeg try another excuse.

Those on the right try soo hard to say there's no vitriol from them, then they turn around and make so much effort to insist that the vitriol is bilateral

you bring a knife I bring a gun---> self defence.

My admin btw you and pitchfork---> republican policies are deadly, death panels, the real death panels happened in arizona. 2 people have died bc the gov policies refused the funding for the transplant they needed. sounds like pitchfork

people have a right to be angry. You can't legislate happiness. But how do you inspire them to use that anger? Guns, reloading, crosshairs, armed and dangerous, revolution etc

enemies? Wrong. Opponents not enemies. I guess he retracted that language. Correct me if I'm wrong. If not, enemies is wrong and should not be used.

But conservatives have refused to even admit they used high vitriol and somehow they say that vitriol(which they deny) is bilateral.

Jesoul,

What do you say about Michelle Bachmann saying she wants her people "armed and dangerous" . Only a republican can spin this to mean vote.

whatever she meant, somebody somewhere may read a different meaning.

Jesoul, you r not a righty. Breaking news.

Good to know that you know that every normal person knows that comparing crosshairs with car advertisement is poor analogy.
When the crosshairs went up last yr, it was randomly criticised by the " lamestream media". You watch fox news so you didn't know that it was heavily criticized last year. It was so criticized that the gansterbitch had to make a haughty statement about the crosshairs on a trip to gifford's district. So the criticism of crosshairs did not start on Saturday.

If anyone on the left gives out violent rhetoric, shame on him/her. No difference btw him/her and Sarah Palin. They should hide their head in shame.

Pelosi my 3rd wife  You smoke ganja? Who are the first two? This is vitriolic statement.   I'll sue you for character assasination. That is what you just did.

Seriously, I have always criticized the left, when I believe they didn't go left enough. But free speech has made dome talk show guys get crazy. When beck constantly compares Obama to Nazi regime, what do you think it can do to a wacko half educated Jew? But what I can't get is why people live in denial. Palin knows she went overboard. She took down the crosshairs . O'reilly has hardly spoken of abortion since the assasination of Dr Tiller. These people understand that thier words may have led to dire consequences.

This is simple. But everybody on the right seems to be denying it. You are the only righty to "reluctantly accept that palin was a little bit overboard" other righties don't even accept she used horrible communication. Even after she took it down immediately following the shooting. Just like some people still beleive Obama is a m.uslim even after the debacle of Jeremiah right?

IT MAY INTEREST YOU TO KNOW THAT A MAN HAS BEEN ARRESTED FOR THREATENING DEMOCRATIC SENATOR MIKE BENNET OF COLORADO.

And don't get too close to fstranger1

Jesoul Jesoul Jesoul!!!!!!
When did I say Billy the clown was responsible for the death of the abortion Dr? Jesoul na wa o. (this is part of the vitriol I'm talking about. O'reilly fan can come for me tomorow )

funny girl. Who is Dennis Rodman?
And who is Stern?

All the people you mentioned are vitriolic and have been criticized accordingly. Why won't the vitriol from the right be criticized. And more importantly, none of those people you mentioned is directly involved with any serious  political party(rep or dem) in the US (unless ahmedinajab has joined the republican party)

do you really think if you get a liberal that says things that may suggest extreme violence I will support the liberal? Or defend him/her? You think I'm one of those right wingers ( one of whom made a silly post in this thread) who can never see anything wrong in goddess Sarah? Have you read me criticize Obama whom I admire? I come down hard on him when I think he's wrong.

I'm happy the congresswoman is likely going to recover. For those who died-tough luck. May God bless their souls. This is an open and close case, they got the killer, they got the evidence, kill him.

Goodluck to y'all. Let Palin draw more crosshairs.

Hey Jesoul, being naive is not a bad thing. Especially for pretty girls.

JeSoul:
^Hmm. Okay oh. I'm naive Pres. Sarah Palin wanted this woman dead and actively spoon-fed her followership with enough 'vitriol' to incite one of them to kill on her behalf. Is this the story you want to stick with?

Happy new year to you too btw. Really.

No, Dear Jesoul. I don't believe mrs palin wanted anybody dead. May be I'm wrong but I don't believe she wanted anybody dead. However, I'm of the opinion that she was carriedcaway by the joy of her vitriol and the power that came with it that she didn't think about the fact that there may be consequences for such vitriol.

Remember, these days vitriol seems to increase rating, enhance popularity and even enrich people. Preaching peace and gentle debate doesn't win elections these days. The highest paid talk shows are those who preach toxins. Limbaugh, Beck etc. Extremes do well(right and left) they do better if they go over the edge. The right has gone overboard. Billy the clown has calmed down a bit since the assasination of Dr Tiller. I hope this Oalin woman will relax a bit as we head towards the 2012

I'm told somebody asked if the judge and the kid and the other victims are in Sarah Palin's hit list. The police say the congresswoman was the target. The other victims are collateral damage. Unfortunately.

Same poster asked for evidence that the shooter went to Palin's website. And tried to link abortion with the opposition to vitriolic vibes from the right. And still talks of common sense, all in the same post.

Na wa o

People can bury thier heads in the sand, but this kind of shooting will continue as long as the vitriol continues, and people are armed, and people are angry, and times are hard. If the vitriol is not checked, America may just be waiting for the next shooting. Just as America is waiting for the next suicide shooter as long as gun control is not being discussed.

JeSoul:
Perhaps the imagery she uses/had used presents a bit of a problem,

this is the problem with Americans. "a bit of a problem". NO dear Jesoul (happy new yr by the way) don't trivialize the vitriol. She uses crosshairs, Bachmann talks of gangster govt, Sharon angle talks of 2nd ammendment remedies if they can't win by the ballot. And you say a bit of a problem. If a long bearded m.oslem puts crosshairs in your address I'm sure you'll call FBI, CIA, NYPD, UFOs etc for cover. This woman who has millions of passionate followers goes on with this vitriol in a country with millions of armed and angry people one or two of whom can go wacko and you say a bit of a problem. If it was a bit of a problem WHY did she take out the crosshairs from her website as soon as the shooting happened? Guilty conscience or mission accomplished? The congresswoman and other democrats were threatened for voting healthcare, their offices vandalized and yet this Sarah Palin put up crosshairs on them. What kind of supporters does she have that only understand crosshairs as voting? And yes you are naive

It takes a lot, and under extreme circumstances, for one to go beyond mere disagreements in politics/policies to want to have them killed. Maybe I'm naive

Fstranger1

You de vex o .

So why did Sarah Palin remove her crosshairs hit list from her website on Saturday? If there is no remote link between vitriolic rhetoric and this wacko nutjob, she should have left her hit list. Idiot. I hope she is happy now.

@blackmann,
if you are shot in the head in naija you are dead. Nigerian law states that bf a bullet wound is treated the doctor must get clearance from the police. You tell me how long that will take. For the sake of peace let us not even go into the state of our health facilities.

@montelik,
read my post again. I'm not saying the right wing talk shows sent this nutjob. All I'm saying is what the sheriff of that county had said. He said we (Americans) must do a soul searching with regards to his vitriol I'm talking about. He said it may be free speech but it's not without consequences. He even called arizona the Mecca of this kind of hhate filled political rhetoric.

So I'm just echoing the sheriff. Okay? You guys can bury your heads in the sand and live on denial ( like those who keep claiming that he civil war wasn't about slavery) truth is immutable.

The boy was obviously a nutjob. I don't hold the other side responsible for the killings but let us not pretend that there is no political undertone for this. This is a woman who narrowly defeated a tea party candidate in a district on Sarah Palins crosshairs hit list in a very heated election. The boys Internet postings show that he is a nutjob. When a nutjob talks of govt like govt is an enemy that must be stopped, mind control etc these are tea party Glenn beck talking points.

Remember Timothy mcveigh? He was another nutjob rejected by the green berrets, he took it out on some enemy called govt. Killing people. The vitriol that comes from the right is toxic. I'm not saying Glenn beck sent him to shoot people, but the vitriol the right spews out cannot be ignored.

The police say the judge is a personal friend of the congresswoman and he just came around to say hello. Tough luck.

I hope Sarah palin is happy now. She has taken out her hit list from her website. "take down the govt",
mind control" I hope the tea party, Glenn beck etc are happy. When democratic congressmen and women, including congresswoman gifford, had thier offices vandalized after the healthcare vote, people raised alarm over the vitriol coming from the right wing nut jobs. Fox waved it aside. Last yr when tea party candidate Sharon angle of Nevada spoke of 2nd ammendment remedies if they can't win by the ballot, the right wing swept it under the carpet.

Today, while all the networks are sorrowfully talking about this tragedy, fox news is making a frantic effort to establish the woman as anti-pelosi blue dog democrat. They are repeating that over and over again and again. They won't mention her office was vandalized by right wing nut jobs last yr or that she was on Sarah Palin's hit list.
Montelik can paint whatever picture he wants but the vitriol from the right is gaining practical ground. But remember, in a country where gins are legal and anger is high, nobody can lay claim to a monopoly of violence.

isale_gan2:
I can't hold anyone responsible other than the misguided shooter.

obviously the shooter is responsible for this mess. That's why he's been arrested. But the toxic vibe that comes from the right cannot be ignored.

Crosshairs(the woman took down the crosshairs from her website today)
reload
2nd ammendment remedies if we can't win by the ballot

remember those statements. You cannot water hatred on hate fertile ground and think there won't ne consequences. Why did palin take out the hit list crosshairs from her website today? Rep gifford's name was there.

The congresswoman was in Sarah Palin's crosshairs list of democrats to be 'targeted' after 'reloading', For voting for healthcare reform. Her office was vandalized after the healthcare vote. now that foolish palin has modified her website.

These people just talk nonsense without realizing the consequences, love of guns. Reload. Etc. The poor woman is fighting for her life now. A judge is dead. A 9 year old is dead, six people are dead due to some lunatic.

I predict the game will be postponed

Hmmm, Negro-ntns has taken us to another level

jesoul, won't you wish me merry Xmas? I'm in the US now. To spend time with family.

Tayo d, merry Xmas and happy new yr
you know I admire you secretly.
God bless you all.

Agwo si oga atugbu atugbu ma n'elo.
Snake says he has to strike first to kill the prey before swallowing.

I hate it when people, including Jon Stewart and Jesoul, whom I love(not that kind of love o) make this false comparison btw msnbc and fox. Msnbc is political, they exaggerate facts to suit them whereas fox news tells outright lies over and over again.
How about the 200 or so ships to take Obama to India or the 200billion dollars or so that the India trip will cost. Jesoul I showed you a clip from YouTube where fox deliberately decieved their viewers that Obama said he will raise taxes for everybody. Or the clip from one of those stupid marches in DC where hannity used a different video to claim large turnout. He apologized after Jon Stewart called him out. Msnbc may exaggerate facts to suit them but I challenge you to show me one outright lie by Rachel maddow or Keith.

Now you will say a lot of things but one thing I know you won't do is present an outright lie by Rachel or Keith. Lol.

Wow! This thread still dey? Lol.

@katsumotor

anyone who gets his news from fox news alone is already an Obama hater. so the fox news lies are more of telling people what they want to hear. Infact most Obama haters watch fox news. That's why thier ratings are so high. Whereas obama's admirers are split between CNN, MSNBC, BET, VH1, NBC, CBS, ABC, Movie channels etc. A lot of independents also watch cspan.

isimisi owuzi the new ekeresimesi. chai, aguru egbukwaanu nwa chief na another ekeresimesi o. o di ka m ga eji anya ihere gakwuru umunnem na obodo obama next week. odi mma otuahu sef. kama aguru ga egbu m ebe a, on top of nke ikomi na ify gbuforo m.

i wish m ga enweta ikomi na trap. m taa ya aru m ga ata ya ee

at least the british are not budgeting trillions of pounds to build fighter planes that are out of use just to keep some people's jobs. neither are they pilling up hundreds of nuclear war heads costing trillions of dollars to fight the enemy in their heads (while providing IED proof armoured vehicles for the soldiers in afghanistan is difficult for congress to pass)

the royal family is british heritage. they love it. it doesnt hamper their democracy. how much was spent to organise the inauguration of obama? close to $200million. right? how much was spent in US elections. how much does it cost to trasport the POTUS from one location to another? when it comes to hopeless spending, give it to the US. while the poor there still suffer. they cant even give money to the heroes of 9-11 who are having illness due to what they did on 9-11 to save their fellow citizens.

My thread fon derail, lol.

My guess is that Lincoln was assasinated by John Wilkes booth bc mr Booths, like most southerners of his day, believed Lincoln was a tyrant. Lincoln unilaterally made the emancipation proclamation freeing all the slaves in the south. They didn't like it.

But there are conspiracy theories that Lincoln made a single currency for the whole US. This currency was under the control of the govt through treasury dept. The capitalists of the day wanted to control the money but lincoln's govt stood in thier way. The SS was established by the Lincoln administration to protect the US dollar from criminals who wanted to make counterfeit and have some control over the dollar. This put the govt in absolute control of the $ to the chagrin of the 19th century wall street hogs. Yes, the secret service was established Yo control money. So the cospiracy theory is that the capitalists got him killed. In 1913 the capitalists of the day struck a deal with the democratic candidate Woodrow wilson that they will help him win, by causing a split in the republican party, and he will give them federal reserve where they will absolutely control the dollar.

The cospiracy theory goes on to say that all the four presidents that were killed were the ones who had something to do with fighting the banks. Also, the first assasination attempt on a US president was on Andrew Jackson who fought the 2nd national bank to death. He survived the assasination attempt, destroyed the bank and was and still is, the only president to leave office without any debt. 1836.