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TimeMachine:
I have no idea what that means though, because the word God, does not do justice to the Intelligence Infinity, The Creator. There is so much confusion in the world today, because of Religions. They mess things up for Humanity. There is a lot I can say about this, but I dont wanna through some light on Lucifer and how he got all the Religions in place. All religions and I mean all, were set up by him.

Truth is that Allah is God, Jehovah is God yet they are controlled by a Solid State AI, Metatron owned by guess who ? Lucifer. But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days, he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel. And even declared that he is Almighty God. So, I assume when you mentioned God, it is Jehovah you were referring to. There are many Gods my friend, and your Mission on Earth is to clean your Temple and go through the Dark Nights of Soul to purge out all your Karma and become God Realized. When you experience what being God feels like, even for 2 minutes in your life time. The entire creation will open up before you.

It goes beyond religions and the Sciences. It is a step further than that.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. - 1 Timothy 4:1-3

But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. - 1 Timothy 4:7-8

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. -John 17:3-5

God is truly Good, and His Love endures for ever.
The best day in a man's life is the day he's Born again. Because on that day he has been delivered of all His sins, burdens, curses, bondages, bad luck, fears, sicknesses, and ultimately eternal death.

I always despised the word Born again for the most part of my life simply because the enemy changed our language making us not to recognise the Truth and our salvation. Making us hate what we should love and love what we should hate. I hope to deal comprehensively on this soon.

Ever since I came into Christ, my testimonies were initially not so obvious and not forthcoming. My Testimony was simply about my Salvation, Liberty, Deliverance and Transfornation (Renewing of my mind).
But today I say this in all humility and Glory to God
-In my church they call me The Testimony guy

-In my office they call me pastor, and some close colleages call me The Revelations guy. I always remind them that I'm just a brother, a disciple of Christ.

-In my Whatsapp Group, they call me the Man of God. I remind them as well that I'm just a vessel and we are all just vessels.

-At home, however, they caution me to be less passionate for Christ. I know they say that in "love". But when you have the Fire, really it comes with passion.
As many as desire it, May we all receive the baptism of the Holyghost and Fire.

1. God Changed my name. Everyone started to call me new names.

2. My boss suddenly changed her impression of me. She hated my guts as a noisy under-performing staff. I had the best result in the aptitude test, yet under-performing on the job.
Suddenly she noticed I became so silent at work (as God was dealing with me by sanctifying my soul, teaching me to bridle my tongue)
My performance improved tremendously and by the time I had a personal meeting with her, she was just mind-blown by my presentation skills.

3. I began to enjoy favours everywhere, at work and in the church. I also became more giving as this is God's nature. We are blessed to become blessings to others too.

4. Through God's leading, my dad uprooted a charm that was buried deep in the foundations of our house. By estimation, it must have been buried for over 20 years. God also revealed the culprit. I forgive Him for the damage done to my family but I leave Him to God's judgement.

5. I experienced intimacy with God through communion with the Holyspirit like I never knew was possible. With that came Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, Deeper Revelations of Divine Mysteries and Kingdom Keys. I shared some which were not too personal across various platforms including Nairaland.
I experienced an exponential spiritual growth due to the knowledge of the cost and value of my Salvation in Christ which stirred a hunger and passion to know and serve Him.

6. I became selected to join my church youth leadership. A dream come true.

7. I became recognised (albeit a little) by the leadeeship of my church, including my Spiritual Father and Mother, the Church Founders and Servants of God. I can not express the overwhelming joy of this for God used them mightily in my life.

8. I was finally promoted at work. A miraculous promotion I wasn't qualified for as I fell below the promotion criteria due to certain challenges. I had been in the same position for about 3 years.

All these in a space of 1 year!
God is indeed Faithful to His word!
By the way, my testimonies are just beginning. To be continued...
I had to share my testimonies because as a former nominal Christian and also as an atheist I doubted testimonies and didn't believe in TV testimonies. Simply because I didn't have any spectacular testimonies, neither did any one around me. I only believed some people were lucky or hardworking. Miracles were even a no-go area, I believed they were scam. I believed miracles were just in the bible.

Today, I understand better. Miracles never stopped, people only stopped believing or were living in fear of sharing their testimonies.
Fear and unbelief are hindrances to Miracles.
If you eliminate your fears and doubt, miracles and testimonies abound. God only needs faithful prayers, He's the same God who answered by Fire and Delivered His people whenever they repented and called unto Him as written the the scriptures.

Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it. - Jeremiah 1:12

For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. - Romans 10.13

But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. -Matthew 6:33

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. -Revelations 12:11

johnydon22:
If God created the originator of evil, doesn't this make God the primary source of evil?

There's so much I wish to share with you but you cannot get the Rhema without the Holyspirit. If I share them with you, they will only confuse you more and probably lead you astray more.

Please accept Christ as your Saviour. Choose to Follow Jesus Christ. He is the only Way to Truth and Life, Peace and Joy and God's abundance. He is simply the Solution to all problems and for all people.

1 John - That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that [a]your joy may be full.

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

TimeMachine:
You are presently confused, and I mean it in the most realistic way. Jesus already promised you a place in his Father's Mansion, right ? If that satisfies you, then by all means be a sheep to Jesus.

Most Christians are ignorant of the fact that Jesus was not a Christian himself, and will never be. That is because Christ is a level of Consciousness, a Title. A consciousness I have crossed and around my head glows the halo crown of Christ Consciousness, so how can I become a sheep to a consciousness level I have surpassed, which is like a barge of a warrior of my once upon a time adventure. Even the word Christ Consciousness is an adulteration, by the Luciferans of the Cosmic Consciousness of our Solar System ?

When you achieve Cosmic Consciousness, you are directly connected to the Sun, in Christianity, it was twisted to Son, instead of Sun. No one goes outside the Solar System to the next level without going through the Portals, and the Sun is the GateWay Star, so you now know the meaning of no one goes to the father except through the Son. The Sun is the Light of the World......compare with Son is the Light of the World in Christianism. It is all stories and parables.

We are in a real world here, not some mental conjectures. If it is not Scientifically making sense, it is a figment of imagination, so religions promote imaginations.

I was led to this. Please be open to read this. There have been greater, wiser, more powerful men than us all. Let's learn from them. Taking the position of God is the height of sin. Take my humble advice and be humble before Him.

29 At the end of the twelve months he was walking about the royal palace of Babylon. 30 The king spoke, saying, “Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?”

31 While the word was still in the king’s mouth, a voice fell from heaven: “King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: the kingdom has departed from you! 32 And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.”

33 That very hour the word was fulfilled concerning Nebuchadnezzar; he was driven from men and ate grass like oxen; his body was wet with the dew of heaven till his hair had grown like eagles’ feathers and his nails like birds’ claws.

Nebuchadnezzar Praises God
34 And at the end of the time I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me; and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever:

For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation.
35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, “What have You done?”

36 At the same time my reason returned to me, and for the glory of my kingdom, my honor and splendor returned to me. My counselors and nobles resorted to me, I was restored to my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added to me. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all of whose works are truth, and His ways justice. And those who walk in pride He is able to put down.

johnydon22:
Did God also create you know who?

Satan, yes. He was his best, before Pride crept in and he fell.
Satan has God-given Wisdom which is why he's a genius. But as a true believer and disciple of Christ you become wiser than him.

TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that. What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being. The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions. They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way. Religion is the broad way that you were warned against. You need Spirituality, not Religion. It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.

Honestly I marvel at your knowledge being a philomath myself.
I do not want us to argue but you have the concept but absent Christ the foundation you're operating on is not solid enough.
While your ideology could produce some level of results, it's not capable to save your soul, which is the most important.
I was still an atheist just a year ago so I can relate. I have experienced both ends of the spectrum and what I found is only Christ provides Peace of Mind and Life.

Man is a vain creature.
We want to believe we're different from everyone else. So everyone believes he's Unique.
As innocent as this conviction is. It is another deception that has become the root cause of all our problems.
You tend to believe that your problem is so unique that no one else is experiencing it, or no one else has ever experienced it. You tend to believe the indices and parameters that created and govern the convolution of your problems are only unique to you and you alone because you're so and so of so and so family from so and so tribe or country so your case must be different.
News flash- It's not.
We're only different and unique in our looks and choices, in our body consciousness.

We all share the same origin, same sinful nature, same curse that sin produces, same desperate cry for help-some in shrills, some in muffled screams.

And We all share the same Solution- Salvation through Christ.
Christ is not a religion, He is simply God's provision for the sin situation of mankind.


May we receive the Grace to overcome the deceptions of Satan.

Lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices. -2 Corinthians 2:11

Comfort:
-The state or degree of being contented or satisfied
-Happiness in one's situation; satisfaction.

Deception:
-An instance of actions and/or schemes fabricated to mislead someone into believing a lie or inaccuracy.

Comfort is a set up.
Comfort is the reason an average student won't go the extra mile to become a genius.
Comfort is the reason rich kids don't want to struggle, after all they have it all, with their eyes set on their parent's inheritance.
Comfort is the reason an employee will remain in the same job position for years and never improve their qualifications or pursue their own dreams.

Comfort is the reason a sinner does not believe he needs salvation. Because sin is so comfortable.
There are two categories of sin; the Sins that we love and enjoy, and the Sins that we hate but can never stop. But both are destroying the sinner, slowly but surely.
Comfort is the reason a nominal Christian is not a Disciple. He's satisfied just to be associated with a church on Sundays. Following Christ is a full package which produces Wisdom, Growth, Rhema and Power in the Word of God.

The father of all Deceptions is Satan.
Only Christ provides Salvation from all Deceptions, Sin and Destruction. Only Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
The Greatest Deception is to believe in Religion or anything or anyone and not BELIEVE IN CHRIST, the only Solution, THE ONLY TRUTH.

Comfort is a deceptive satisfaction.
Beyond the comfort is More. Beyond comfort is Greatness. Beyond comfort is pursuit and fulfillment of Dreams and Visions. Beyond comfort is the Real You.

Leave your comfort zone today. The first step to overcoming this deception of comfort is to BE HONEST TO YOURSELF.
The only Solution truly is Following Christ.
Once we get Christ right, all other things fall in place. Challenges will come, but with every challenge comes the Proceeding Word, Grace and Joy to overcome and triumph into more Maturity, Faith and Greater Glory.
With a Believer and Disciple of Christ, Challenges are an opportunity to be Greater, for God to be Glorified.

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus - Romans 3:23-24

But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.- Matthew 6:33-34

Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer - Romans 12:12

Peace, Mercy and Grace to us all.

TimeMachine:
Makes no sense. Both are wrong.

What would you call your belief?

TimeMachine:
I have experienced the State of Being God, I do not believe in anything I can not proof. There is Divine Creator, and I am a fractal of it, so are you, so are the Trees and all of Created and Uncreated Realities but you are yet to experience it, and may never experience it until you let go of believe and faith and really take the narrow path which is Individualism via hardcore Scientific Research beyond the boundaries of Physical Reality. You need the Bible, but the old testament. It is a great recording also mixed up in a way, but it is a great guide as you progress beyond the surface.

Divine Creator is not religious, neither is it a Person. It is the Source and Cause of all that there is, and we are the Conscious aspect of It.

I do not write this, because I read it somewhere, I write my very experience beyond the veil. Do not believe me, just follow your intuition for nothing but Scientifically proven facts, and it will lead you directly to Divine Realities of Intelligence Infinity. It is an awesome world.

Athest or Deist?

TimeMachine:
Ye Are Gods, and Children of Most High God. There are billions if not trillions of Gods, some are Gods in Amnesia, example Humans. The Purpose of Life is to realize and experience yourself as God, not just reading about it, but seeing that all things are powered by the only force in the Universe called Spirit. The mesoscopic coherency within all spectra will lead to a startling understanding that we are one being, split into fractals with individual ego. We are frequency beings of resonance made of light, our bodies are made of light, and so is everything, cos this is a simulated reality.

Creator needed to learn more, about itself and play Games to avoid burden, then fission of sound current occurred with Life being the consciousness aspect of the Creator. We are one with the Space, but we are the conscious part of Earth itself, we are the living conscious Earth.

The reason for the confusion is because our minds are taken away from where we live and placed on Heaven always, well, find out which Planet that Heaven is located, and the specific location within that Planet that Heaven is hosted. If the Bible does not give specific answers, then your best efforts should be put into Science, Quantum Cosmology and Solid State Physics will be a good start. But you will go beyond that to really know what God is.

The languages of our Grandfathers were not advanced, so there was need to use parables, but today, English Language and Science as reached the level that we can understand Life and God, except we choose to hang on ancient parables and not use the wealth of knowledge available online to decode the matrix and the Programmers of Reality.

This is a Simulated Reality, and the programmers are behind the scene of the mainframe, we are just Avatars as physical humans. When you understand the nature of Cosmic Spirit, which you call Sound current in Science, you will understand between you and the computer screen you are reading this, is a space teaming with lives of diverse permutation.

If you want to know God, then include Science as a tool. If Science does not validate any principle, then trash that principle.

Wow. You are on another level of depth sir.
I hope you're a Believer. If not pls, by the time you genuinely assimilate the Word of God and your mind is simulated with Him to a point of Coherence, oh my God, you will be a world wonder.

Pls, i say this not to flatter but because I can relate.

johnydon22:
Is something good because God commands it or does God command it because it is good?



This question is meant to insight deep thought and debate

Perhaps it will help if you knew some of the names of God.
God is Light, Truth, Righteous, Holy, Good and Love.

On this premise, everything good is of God.
Genesis 1:31 God saw that everything He made was very good.
Consequently, everything bad and evil is from you-know-who.

May your curiousity lead you to theTruth.

Perfectbeing:
I Tim 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly..

Don't be like the Pharisees who read signs to everything around them and leave the things that matters. We believers are admonished in Heb 12:2 to look up Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Not up to an eclipse that's happening around 7pm-10pm
Preach the message of the blood of Christ not the message of a blood moon that doesn't mean anything.
The hidden mystery or manna of God we're promised has been revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. It is known only to those of us who receive it. And I'm sure you've received it. So my friend, I admonish you again to look up to Jesus and not any hidden mystery in the moon.
Bless you.

Thanks for the observation. Perhaps if you check my track record you will know I'm not trying to be mythical or sound religious. I'm simply sharing a revelation.

I did not ask you to perform any ritual, I simply urged everyone to be sensitive, consecrate ourselves, Watch and Pray.

Revelation 6:12 ESV
When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood

Joel 2:31 ESV
The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.

The Eclipse is all over the news to happen today Friday 27th July, 2018 between 7pm - 10pm. They are calling it Blood Moon, I believe its going to be very significant for the Church. Another Pentecost perhaps. But we have to be yielded in the Holyspirit to connect.

Please Do not judge the unworthy vessel I am, rather let's share this across our pastors until it gets all over the Body of Christ, locally and globally.

I do not know what is coming that's why i said Perhaps. And by pentecost I simply meant Revival/Reactivation. The one we've been anticipating. In fact there's has been a lot of Revival and Baptism of the Holyghost and Fire recently across the churches for anyone who has been paying attention.

Revelations 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hiddenmanna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”

I've never been this excited... And we should all be.
Truly we are a Chosen Generation.

My pastor shared a vision recently during our Weds Service about a Surgery being performed on a body.

It was revealed to me that the Body in his vision is the Body of Christ. In the vision he saw that it was just a little surgery that was performed on the body, just a blockage in the vessel was removed and there was a sudden burst of Blood Flow in the Body.

I believe the blockage was the Power of Interpretation of Tongues.

THE GIFTS OF TONGUES AND INTERPRETATION

The Power of our Walk in Faith rests in our yieding to the Holyspirit. The Power of tongues is so tremendous that the devil fought against it with all he has. The devil even went as far as using the church against herself. He caused a division within the church leadership which eventually split the Body of Christ, also Dividing the Spiritual Gifts, which is now shared in parts across different Denominations and Ministries.
My prayer is that soon the Body of Christ will become One again, and we will once again become One Church, One Spirit in the Fullness of the Manifestation of the Holyspirit.

The Strength of the Church (Every Believer/Saint) lies in Speaking and Praying in Tongues.
However, Speaking alone is incomplete without Interpretation. Unfortunately most of us do not Covet the gift of Interpretation of tongues as we have not been taught of its Importance and Power. We assumed it was also just for Evangelism as some mis-taught the gift of Speaking in Tongues. We do not know its full Significance.

For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. -1 Corinthians 13:9-10

Interpretation of Tongues is the Perfection of Speaking and Praying in Tongues.
The Strength of our Faith rests in our Tongues. The Deepest Mysteries Of God and Secrets of Overcoming The Kingdom Of Darkness are so sensitive and confidential that God protects and guards them in Heavenly codification to prevent them from falling into wrong hands and being known by the enemy.

The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law - Deuteronomy 29:29

Our Victory is finaly here. With Revelation comes Victory. We are indeed a Chosen Generation. We should all be very excited and count ourselves privileged and honoured.
I believe now that we know the Truth, it has set us Free and with this unveiling, we will all begin to covet the Gift of Interpretation of Tongues.
The interpretation of God's divine Mysteries are not instantaneous. They are revealed and unveiled progressively.

If you are a Believer who doesn't believe in Tongues or in the Power of the Holyspirit, please do not find offense in the Holyspirit but start to crave Him and His gifts as we are supposed to Violently Seek His Kingdom because it is the Solution to All Our Problems.
I believe everyone who has humbly and geneuinely confessed their sins and submitted to the Lordship of Our Lord Jesus Christ already has the indwelling of the Holyspirit, we just need to consciously activate Him by yielding to Him, Trusting and Obeying His leading no matter how difficult His demands are. Our obedience is our test of Trust, Loyalty and Commitment to the needs and demands of God's Kingdom. There will be a lot of tests on Giving. God is Love, Love Is Charity, Charity is Giving. Connecting the dots, we know God gave the most unthinkable, unimaginable, unbelievable, inconceivable Prize of all. He gave Himself and Died for our Salvation.
Because that was the Only Solution- For us to overcome sin, sickness curses, death, grave amd eternal damnation. And For us to have the Blessing of Eternal Life which is All-encompassing of Unspeakble and Inexplicable Joy, Abundant Prosperity, Sound Mind, Perfect Health, Stewardship for God, etc.

The Holyspirit is so important to us  that Christ exhorted His disciples to wait and tarry expectantly to be Baptised in the Holyspirit with Temperance (Fruit of the Spirit) and Power (Spiritual Gifts). It was after this that they received Rhema and Understanding of all Christ had been teaching them, the Boldness and Utterance to Evangelise, Teach and Prophesy and also Dunamis to Perform Miracles and Healing.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

Joy To The World. Victory is Here.
Peace, Mercy and Grace to us all.

MuttleyLaff:
For unto us a Child is born,
unto us a Son is given:
and the government shall be upon His shoulder:
and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
- Isaiah 9:6

I'll ask this question again that's often stylishly ignored:
Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?

That Isaiah 9:6 above aside, one really ought to, at least and for a start,
be asking oneself the following questions:
#1 Why did the God, need to become, God, the Father?
#2 Why did God, need to become, God, the Son?
#3 Why did God, stick to this human being means and following these protocols?

Well the phrase "Holy Trinity" is a misnomer
as it is suggesting an idea that is obviously wrong

God, the Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence being, cant be boxed up.

Part of the absurdity of the theological shenanigans so far presented on this thread, is the aspect of pigeonholing God into trinity
People wishing and trying their hardest best to pigeonhole God
It actually is imposing restrictions on God's activities or freedom, to be what He wishes to be

For crying out loud, God is not limited to 3 persons
because, God is ''I AM THAT I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'', ''I WILL BE THAT I BE''
so, since God is, not-known-number-of persons
God, then, is, x-persons
God, in effect is, ∞-persons

Adam, Noah, the patriarchs, the Israelites etcetera didnt know God, as a Father, as a Son
The realisation or knowledge of God being a Father and being a Son, came with the advent of Jesus

Who knows what other person(s), during the passage of time, God will also reveal Himself to be

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Well said sir.
God is infinite beyond what We could ever know.
But in our Walk of Faith, it helps to understand the 3 personalities of His manifestation so far, to His chosen people.
This knowledge makes sharing the Prayer of Grace all the more real to us.

The Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,
The Love of God,
And the Fellowship of the Holyspirit,
Be with us now and for ever. Amen.

People often ask me with awe, "How did you get to grow so fast, spiritually?"
I couldn't explain it, I just usually answered that It was simply Grace.

Eventually the Holyspirit gave me the answer. He led me to a movie. After much deliberating I have decided to share this, and I believe it will profit us all.

I try as much as possible to be careful with Pauline teachings because of their depth. They're so deep that even Peter had to confess and even urged the church to be careful and sensitive with them.

2Pet.3.15-16 - and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

I have prayed for Grace to deliver it appropriately and I now pray for Grace that we receive the understanding of the Holyspirit in Jesus name.

Here's the verse:
Rom.5.20b - But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

This verse explains my thirst, hunger, growth and depth. I say all these in all humility, for our edification.
I didn't really understand the verse until I got it's Rhema from the movie "Paul The Apostle" 2018 release Please try to watch it, so profound.

Paul experienced a transcendent spiritual growth beyond most of the other apostles because He was a serial killer who persecuted and murdered the early Christians, including Stephen, out of ignorance and religious zeal as a Jewish Rabbi.
When He became saved, He had a sense of shame and regret for His old nature and he valued and appreciated his salvation so much so that it created a voracious hunger in him for Christ, and to live with so much passion for the gospel.

Now in our own case, Our sins before salvation do not even need to be as grave as Paul's. But remember, all sins are the same before God, all sins are an act of disobedience and rebellion. Hence, we just have to appreciate the fact that we have overcome our sinful nature as well as overcome our imminent destruction by the bondage of sin.
When we have this conviction in our heart of our Salvation and the extent Christ had to suffer to purchase it, it becomes real and precious to us.

This is what makes Grace abound more, you become more passionate about Christ and this creates a hunger that gives access to deeper things of God through the Holyspirit.

Unfortunately, this same verse has been perverted by so many preachers and believers. It has become an excuse to continue living in sin, abusing God's Grace and further destroying their vessels.

To this regard Paul also exhorts us:

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Peace, Mercy and Grace unto us all.

Shelumiel:
How can you say that Jesus is called God but He is not God ? That is like saying a person who flies an aeroplane is not called a pilot !

Thanks for your wisdom sir.
But you should know it's not our place to make anyone understand. That's the work of the Holyspirit. Let's just pray for God to have His way in the heart of those who seek Him.

sKeetz:
How do you want an unbeliever to accept what you preach if y'all can't agree on the basics of your beliefs i.e. The bible Which you claim to be divinely inspired.

When argument ensues, there's only one reason. John 14:17 has the answer.

OneJ:
The well known lie & forgeries in King James Bible "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16 kJV) & "There are three that bear record in heaven. The father the son the holy ghost: these three are one" (1 John 5:7 KJV ) .
These lies, distortions & forgeries has overtime become your "truth".
Issoryt !


God is not a man, that HE should lie. (Num23:19).
God says "Woe to those who call evil good.... who put darkness for light & light for darkness. .. woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight"
(Isaiah 5:20,21).


A lie remains a lie no matter how U twist & paint it to sweeten it.

Shalom.

Lol I fought this too in fact I was raised believing Jesus is the Son of God. I never even knew there was any teaching or argument that Jesus is God.
So as an adult when I first heard it, I felt it was an insult to God so I faulted and fought such teaching.

I had to empty my vessel to hunble myself to scriptural teaching in foundation class and the leading of the Holyspirit.
After listening to several teachings from renown and Spirit-filled Servants of God, the Holyspirit gave me the unveiling of my life. My intimacy with Him has never been the same ever since.

Note, the purpose of Salvation is simply to overcome sin and return to intimacy with God as enjoyed by Adam and Eve in Eden to enable and empowee us to fulfill Purpose.

May we receive deeper and true revelations and understanding of God in Jesus name.

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The Mystery of Godliness is manifested unto us already. Whereby we now know the Father through his Son.



Jesus did not lie when he said that he is the SON OF GOD. The Jews wanted to stone Him because they misunderstood him. Also because they are receiving new message that they were not accustom to, something the former prophets did not or can not claim. That was why he went ahead and told them "even ye are gods"



I strongly disagree with the bold here please. God the Father is not Jesus the Son of God. Neither did he(Jesus) claimed to be the father. But he came to make the father known to us John 17:3



Yes! Jesus is the image of the invisible God the father,he was not in any way saying that he is God the father but rather telling his disciples that seeing him is a revelation of who God his father/their father is.



Good! Through which means is God the father in the Son? Through the power of his holy spirit. Same way through the power of the holy spirit the father and the Son dwells in us. 1 John 4:13 "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." I will like you start from verse 1 of that 1 John chapter 4. the father dwell in us too as we dwell in him this does not make us God the father right?





John 17:21-23

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 [b]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; [/b]and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

You see that the meaning you are trying to read into that verse is not what it says..cause if we go by your own meaning that means we also are God the father since you made Jesus to be God the father through that verse.

Shalom aleikhem![/quote]Once again, your knowledge is amazing. You remind me of Apollos, the disciple.

We're all gods, yes. But Christ was God.
Just like we're all sons of God, but only Jesus Christ is a one of a kind Son of God.

Seeing Christ as just the Son of God is ok. But it comes with its limitation. When you begin to see Him in His Fullness as God, you will attain a new depth of intimacy with the Holyspirit.

Rom.9.5 - of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

1Tim.3.16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Please I urge you not to respond to this but open yourself for the leading of the Holyspirit.
If you can, pls pray in tongues to receive revelation and unveiling.

Peace and Grace to you.

Maamin:
Let me add this to it..
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."





Jesus does not consider him self to be equal to his God your God, and to his father, your father.


John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."



Yes you are still not far from the truth, you are just 180 degrees from it.

Matthew 25:34-40

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

So tell me how much more of the power of the holy spirit that proceeds from God. His very essence.

1 Cor.15:28 says God the father is all in all.

Shalom!

Ok sir. I admire your knowledge.
I try as much as possible to avoid arguments about the gospel, especially on issues bordering on Trinity because it is a mystery beyond us all. But I will like to share more clarity of my understanding so far.

Our Lord, Jesus Christ told the Jewish teachers that He was the Son of God, yet they wanted to stone Him. If He had told them He was also God, what do you think would have happened?
But to His disciples, He later shared more details due to their intimacy which is what we also enjoy when we have intimacy with the Holyspirit. He gives us deeper access to Divine mysteries.
Jesus identified Himself as both the Son and the Father in very few instances, one of such is in His reply to Philip below.

John.14.9 - Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'?

John.14.10 - Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

John.14.11 - Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

GIVING IS LIVING.
There is a Secret to wealth that the wealthy know. It is the Blessing of Giving.
I often wondered why Prosperity churches prospered where Conservative Orthodox churches seemed to struggle. It is simply a matter of Giving.
The Bible explicitly emphasises the Blessing of Giving so much so that if I should make a list it will exhaust this writ. Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Job, David, Solomon, etc were blessed exceedingly abundantly beyond their expectations simply because they Gave to God.

Why God Loves And Blesses Givers?
God is Love.
Love is Charity and Charity is Giving.
God gave the life of His begotten Son that we may have Eternal Life.

When we give, we become an extension of God on earth. The beneficiary (receiver) of our giving blesses God when we Give. The receiver may have been praying to God and trusting on Him. When we give to such person, we become an agent of God for that person. The person glorifies God through us,. His Faith and Hope in God is not diminished but strengthened. We serve as God's instrument of expression and extension on earth when we Give.

Just as we have been Blessing to another as Givers, we also have our needs that we're praying and trusting in God for. God is specially committed to meet the needs of those who serve Him, who Give just like He Gives. He stops protocols on their behalf, He opens Heavens upon them. He delights in them because they are not Self-centered and all He needs are vessels He can entrust His Kingdom to. He needs to know if He Blesses you, His people will not suffer but be blessed through you. You become a channel of His Blessings. Emphasis on HIS BLESSINGS (Unlimited, Unimaginable, Indestructible) which are not determined or affected by government policies or recession or inflation or robbery.

If we know this, Tithing, Offering, Charity becomes our lifestyle.
Proverbs11.25 - The generous soul will be made rich, And he who waters will also be watered himself.

enilove:
OP, GOD THE FATHER IS A PERSONALITY .
JESUS CHRIST , THE SON , IS ANOTHER PERSONALITY.
HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO , A DIFFETENT PERSONALITY

THEY ARE UNITY AND WORKING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD THE FATHER.
JESUS CHRIST IS A GOD . A CHILD OF GOD IS GOD. JESUS IS OUR CREATOR . HE DID NOT CREAT US BECAUSE HE WANTED TO , BUT BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER WANTED TO . HIS FATHER TOLD HIM " LET US CREAT MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE " , AND THEY DID.
WHATEVER JESUS DID OR IS DOING , HIS IS DOING TO SATISFY HIS FATHER'S WISHES AND COMMANDS .
HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSONALITY WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO WORK FOR GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON.
HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD, HE IS A HOLY SPIRIT.

THE BIBLE DID NOT CALL THE HOLY SPIRIT GOD , BUT THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS , "GOD ALMIGHTY" , YET HE IS STILL LOWER THAN GOD THE FATHER. JESUS HIMSELF CONFIRMED THIS.

THERE IS NO DIVISION , NO CONTENTION , NO PERSONAL OR DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES BETWEEN GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON . JESUS CHRIST . THE SON IS IN TOTAL OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHER , WHO LOVES HIM AS HIMSELF .

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

May God give us more understanding and revelation.

OneJ:
Elihu (the young man who comforted Job) means "My God is He". OP, then is Elihu the same as Almighty God? Again, Elijah means "my God is Jehovah", does that prove that Elijah is actually the Most High God?


OP, your quote in red letters (matt28:19) where did Jesus say the three are one God?

Or did other Bible verses U put up actually say the God ,Christ & Holy spirit are one ?
If we are to go by your logic, the expression " Tom , Dick & Harry " is one "god"shey ? OP, there is no explicit statement that said Jesus is Almighty God. OP, true or false?

The truth be told Isaiah said "Therefore, the Lord (Jehovah) himself will give you a sign.: Behold, the virgin (maiden) shall be with child,& shall bring forth a son....". 7 :14

Right there in heaven,thousands of years before Christ birth on earth in Isaiah's prophecy, his Father Jehovah already recognized Jesus as His son. OP, true or false?
"he will be called the son of the Most High" OP, true or false?

I struggled with this too. The mystery of the Trinity is one of the snares the devil has used to divide the church.

Thr first thing we have to know is that the Trinity is God. And as such we can never have a full understanding of the Trinity. We just need a basic simplistic understanding of the Trinity.

The Trinity is simply put the triune nature of God.
There a three that bear witness in heaven, and all three are One."

Meaning The Father, Jesus and the Holyspirit are the same One God in different Dimensions or Expressions.

God had to become Jesus Christ for Him to have a physical form to give us Salvation on the Cross. Then He had to become the Holyspirit to commune with us daily in order to enable and empower us to know and do His will.

Jesus referred to Himself as both Son of God because He was fully God (born of God) and also called Himself Son of Man (born of Eve) because He was fully Man.

The identity of all 3 is easily reflected in the Grace.

The *Grace* of Our Lord *Jesus Christ*, The *Love of God* and the *Fellowship/Communion* of the *Holyspirit*

While all three are equally Important to us, we are in the Holyspirit dispensation. The Holyspirit ministry is the manifestation of God for our generation, since the Resurrection Christ and Baptism at the Pentecost. Christ has already completed His work which was why He said on the cross, "It is Finished."
Then Jesus after Resurrection explained the importance and necessity of the Holyspirit to His disciples.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


It's just quite unfortunate the devil has succeeded in deceiving the church not to engage the Holyspirit in His full dimension. Most churches even despise and silence Speaking in tongues, which is our greatest weapon of Prayer.

May God deliver those churches from this Great Deception and Limitation. Please if you do not speak in tongues, you should start covetting it. It is the Power of our Faith given by the Holyspirit. All God wants to see is your belief, desire and hunger for His gifts, He really has made them all readily available. I'm also a testimony to this.

OneJ:
Sophistry at it's best. OP, 1 John 5:7 reads "there are three that testify".(authentic version).

OP,that version U quoted in your post is a confirmed forgery. "God appeared in the flesh"(1 Tim3:16kjv) is also a confirmed forgery.
The authentic version reads ".. He who was manifest in the flesh.."

But ,all of una trinity peddlers una so much love the wayo & iwuruwuru ,419 version of 1John5:7 (KJV) wey Una take back up una lie lie.
Contrary to your post, here is the authentic testimony that God gave about Jesus Christ, His son (matt16:13-17. John 20:30,31). Shalom

It is our Truth. You are entitled to your truth sir. But I pray for your sake, for your family's sake and for the kingdom's sake you will reconsider. Because it is the Only way to overcome sin and fulfill purpose.

spongeisback:
Christians! Whatever they can't explain or understand they tag it spiritual.

Maybe you can help us all with your understanding.

The Concept of the Trinity of God is the most difficult to explain (except by the Holyspirit). It is also the most important in our Walk of Faith. This is because it is the Mystery of God, the Identity of God.
How then can any Man say that He understands God, when we don't even understand ourselves, when we don't even understand Animals, when we don"t understand the Stars even to the least of His creation?
We can only have a simplified basic understanding of the Trinity of God. Any attempt to think we can fully grasp it will send us back to ignorance and confusion.

The Basic Concept I have so far with the help of the Holyspirit, through scriptures, servants of God and divine revelation is this and I hope the Grace of God gives us all more insight and understanding, in Jesus name.

The Father, The Son and The Holyspirit are the same One God but in Three different Manifestations.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. - 1John 5:7

-God, the Father is the Father from Everlasting to Everlasting, Enthroned for Eternity. He is Love, Light, Truth, Good, Righteousness, Holiness, Eternal Life.

-God, the Son is Jesus Chist, the Word and the Lamb, Our Lord and Saviour. He is the Wisdom of God. He is God taking up human form to cohabit among us men on earth so as to fulfill the work of our Salvation. The only way we could overcome sin and death was for the Purest Blood of Jesus Christ to be our atonement, making Him our Substitution before God. He is the only Seed of Righteousness that uproots the seed of sin planted in the heart of Man by the disobedience of Adam. The knowledge and belief in Christ gives Eternal Life. Christ is the Only Way.

-God, the Holyspirit is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Grace, our Helper that Christ promised and baptised us with. He is the Seal and Guarantee of our Faith. Only through the Holyspirit can we understand the Word (Bible), can we receive and build our Holiest Faith, can we receive Dunamis (Power) to conquer sin and overcome our fears and death. Only with the Holyspirit can we be attuned with God to fulfill our purpose.

It helps to think of the Trinity of God as the 3 different states of Water. The Father is Water/Liquid (Endless). Ice/Solid is Chist, we could see and touch Him. The Holyspirit is Steam/Gas, we cannot hold Him but He is everywhere. Spirituality is a Flow.

May God grant us more revelation and understanding through the Holyspirit in Jesus name. Amen.

Judgmental
-To be critical
-Inclined to find fault or criticize; fastidious; captious; censorious; exacting.
(Dictionary)

One Great deception the enemy has used to ensnare the church and humanity is being Judgmental.
We need to learn the meaning of judgment for we all fall prey to this snare.
It is bad enough when we judge our peers (contemporaries), worse even when we judge our superiors (masters, bosses, parents, leaders and president), but the worst of all when we judge Servants of God.

Perhaps we should study the stories of David and King Saul, as well as Moses amd Mariam (Numbers 12) will guide us into the truth and gravity of this sin.

Notice the influx of news attacking Men of God all over the social media and blogs?
It is to cause us to judge. Once you comment on these posts attacking these men of God, there is a punishment. May God deliver us from all sins of our ignorance in Jesus name.
Please let us also refrain from discussing critically and gossiping about people, for even that too is judgment.

Judgement is a very wide snare. Let us focus on what glorifies and edifies. Let's focus on working out our own flaws (the beam in our eyes) rather than become monitoring spirits on others.

Key Verses

James 4:11-12 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?

Numbers 12:8-10 I speak with him face to face,
Even plainly, and not in dark sayings;
And he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
To speak against My servant Moses?”
9 So the anger of the Lord was aroused against them, and He departed. 10 And when the cloud departed from above the tabernacle, suddenly Miriam became leprous, as white as snow.

Romans 2:1-3 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?

Knowledge is Power, what we have knowledge of, we have the power to overcome. We are victorious in Jesus name.

sKeetz:
Ogbeni save your sermon for someone who needs it. I'm not an atheist, I believe in Amadioha the God of my forefathers. I have no business with a dead Jewish carpenter.

Ok. Thanks for the audience and your time. God bless you sir.

sKeetz:
No, I believe in amadioha.

Lol. I was just like you, probably worse, last year. I was an atheist attacking believers in my office. I even led some astray including my ex.
Today I am preaching the same gospel of Jesus Christ I condemned. Think about it.
Today I have been delivered from my alcohol addiction, sexual bondage of adultery, fornication and masturbation. My family was delivered from the power of charm buried in our compound for over 20 years. I was hated by my boss but today I enjoy favour from her and other superiors. All within a space of 1 year.

There are only 2 categories in this world you can belong to, and there is no middle ground.

God or Devil
Good or Evil
Light or Darkness
Love or Hatred
Truth or Lie
Righteous or Sinner

You're either Unsaved (from Sin and destruction) or Saved by believing and submitting to Jesus Christ as a Born again and learning of Him by becoming His disciple.
Please, I'm not speaking about religion or trying to convert you into Christianity. All that religion is just another deception to keep you in the rat race while hiding the Truth surrounding it with Lies.
It's like there's only one iPhone and so many cheap imitations of it in Android phones. (No offense if you use an android, I do too. Just an illustration).

I'm only speaking about the Solution to Sin and Path of Life, the Way of Truth as given to us by our Creator. (Please read my thread on The Truth and Religious Deception for more details)

The greatest deception is the our generation believes we're too intelligent and educated to believe in God or devil. That because of scientific and pschological advancement, we know what the older generations did not know about the Power of our mind so there are no spiritual forces. But these are also imitations of the Truth.
Unfortunately the media, controlled by agents of the devil have succeeded in trivialising all things spiritual to the extent of some stations censoring the names Jesus because there is Power in His name.

I strongly hope you would look beyond my response as a long epistle of a delusional mind (as I used to do).
I pray you would rather not brush it aside but ask yourself just one question, What If what you just read is TRUE?

Peace, Mercy and Grace be with us all in Jesus name, Amen.