₦airaland Forum

macof:
lmao...this is really funny

so being an igbo man is about denying facts and filling the head with fantasies of some Igbo standpoint, no matter how far from the truth it might be.. I hope you know you are a bigot?

The dude didn't say anything that isn't true. ...Yoruba really is the dominant black influence in the diaspora. . Acknowledging that doesn't make you a bad igbo man, what makes a bad igbo man is not contributing anything to the development of your people. ..so Mr. man you need to get your priorities straight

I was always under the impression that Igbos are the single most well-travelled Nigerians and generally constitute the face of Nigeria save for in the UK, where Yoruba language and culture is admittedly x101 more influential. Shey you're aware that only in mainland Britain that Yorubas outnumber Igbos?

Blow your useless and pathetic insults, abeg, but you can rest firmly assured that I'm no bigot. I'm just not here to see Yorubas blowing their Oduduwa propaganda in the exact same way that I can't get behind all these jobless IPOB idiots and their senseless Biafra agitation.

Yorubas outnumber Igbos by a ratio of anywhere in the region of 1.5-3:1 and counting in every major UK city with a sizeable Nigerian populace and Yoruba's by far the most widely spoken and well-known language here. I'm aware it's the converse in the U.S. (esp. in Houston/Dallas) and most other nations in the world. That's all cool. I only have an issue with it comes to highly tribalistic and largely unexposed Nigerians who see their own tribe as superior going by their limited anecdotal 'experience.' Plenty of these people have never even stepped foot outside Lagos sef, but because a few of una have heard of Peckham/London you think you know what's going on in the diaspora (before you start, that's not necessarily aimed at una). At least get to grips with the basic facts and make a more informed view instead of posting ego-inflating messages on Nairaland and calling out Igbos for supposedly doing the same. Especially when una no get evidence and the other group does.

RedboneSmith:
So I cannot be an Igbo man who calls it as it is? Everything has to be about blindly defending the 'Igbo nation'?

Yeah, it's not even about 'blindly defending the Igbo nation.' It's more about facing facts when presented with them instead of positing the same old biased subjectivity in light of all the evidence that suggests otherwise.

Me, I'm no IPOB nigga either. But I'm not one to reason with facts when presented.

RedboneSmith:
Everyone knows Yorubas were not sold in large numbers until the Yoruba Wars of the 19th century which followed the collapse of imperial Oyo. No news there.

Despite being smaller, their cultural impact in the New Word is DOMINANT. Yorubas are the single most culturally influential ethnic group in the Black Diaspora. By contrast, the Igbo who were sold in much larger numbers are almost culturally invisible in the New World. This is a clear indicator of who among the two had a more advanced, impactful culture.

Meanwhile, I still don't understand why people compare slave numbers as if being enslaved in large numbers is anything to be proud of.

I no sabi this nigga. Some of your recent posts suggest you're an Igbo guy and you're here proclaiming Yorubas as the most dominant and influential black nation in the African diaspora. Can't you make up your mind?

As a guy, jollof rice, okro soup, ogbono, indomie, spaghetti/macaroni and dodo are the things that I can rock up with my eyes closed (as far as Nigerian dishes go). I dey learn sha.

Chicken if that counts.

lawani:
FORTUNES DO CHANGE IN AN INSTANT. THAT IS OYA!. IF YOUR FORTUNE IS REVERSED FROM ROYALTY TO SLAVE, THEN YOU PRAY FOR A GOOD MASTER AND YOUR ORI WILL LEAD YOU THERE. YOU WILL MAKE IT THERE. IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Double na wow. Oloshi.

babyfaceafrica:
what makes you so sure?

Remove this your subjective bias and see through a clear lens.

babyfaceafrica:
you sources are questionable...also 500k Yoruba slaves is a lie!!!!!!

Was it me who posted the sources and started the thread, though?

babyfaceafrica:
I doubt this !!!!!......but its you thread

I don't see any reason to doubt someone who produces nothing but pure fact. Why wouldn't a sane person believe?

lawani:
TO BE A SLAVE WAS NOT A NEW THING FOR YORUBAS. YOU GET?. A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD CONSISTS OF SLAVES AND FREEBORNS WORKING ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER. SLAVES AND FREE BORNS INTERMARRY FREELY. SLAVERY WAS TO MAKE EVERYBODY BELONG SOMEWHERE, CHIP IN SOMEWHERE. IF I AM A SLAVE IN A PROSPEROUS HOUSEHOLD, I MIGHT BE RICH AND IF I AM OFFERED FREEDOM, I WONT TAKE IT BECAUSE I ENJOY THE RANK OF MY MASTER IN PUBLIC. PEOPLE FEAR ME BECAUSE OF MY MASTER. SO WHY WILL I HATE SLAVERY? ABEG WISE UP! A TYPICAL YORUBA CITY CONTAINED 80 PERCENT SLAVES. ALL WERE SLAVES EVEN.

Na wow for this guy. Chineke.

lawani:
YOU KEEP HAMMERING ON SLAVES, WHAT ABOUT SETTLERS? IT WAS THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION THAT CHANGED THE GAME, YOU UNDERSTAND? YORUBA WERE MOVING TO THE AMERICAS IN EQUAL PROPORTION TO ANY EUROPEAN GROUP. COLUMBUS WAS IN WEST AFRICA BEFORE CROSSING THE ATLANTIC. HE DEFINITELY HAD WEST AFRICANS IN HIS CREW. YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THE TRADE PEAKED IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE 19TH CENTURY BUT MANY YORUBAS ARRIVED SOUTH AMERICA AS LANDOWNERS AND CHIEFS AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ENTRENCHED THERE LIKE EUROPEANS. PEOPLE USED TO GO BACK AND FORTH. YORUBA MADE CLOTHES WERE EXPORTED THERE. PEOPLE GREW RICH ON THAT. PEOPLE WENT TO SOUTH AMERICA ON BUSINESS, SETTLED THERE AND ETC. SO, NOT ONLY SLAVE TRADE. A NATION LIKE HAITI AS OGUN AS THE NATIONAL TUTELARY DEITY.

THEN YORUBAS ARE THE FIRST PREFERENCE OF SLAVE DEALERS BECAUSE BEING USED TO CITY LIFE AND ORGANISATION, THEY ARE EASIER TO DEAL WITH THAN OTHERS, THEY ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE BIRTHS. A YORUBA COST MORE THAN OTHERS BACK THEN AND EFIK PEOPLE CLAIM MOST SLAVES SOLD THROUGH THEIR PORTS WERE YORUBAS. BUYERS ASKED FOR YORUBAS BEFORE OTHERS. IGBO LAND WAS NOT IN TURMOIL AND MANY YORUBAS ENROUTE TO THE CALABAR PORT DISAPPEARED INTO IGBO LAND BOUGHT BY IGBOS FOR FARM WORK. THEY ARE NOW OSUS.

Not that your whole post isn't total bull but the emboldened jumped out to me. On what planet is being easier to sell into slavery a good thing? You're actually saying it's better to be all-trusting and naive than stubborn and rebellious (aka Igbo slaves) in the face of being dragged away from your homeland and stripped of your identity.

I'd rather be less easy to deal with if it meant not being sold to masters across the Atlantic and subjected to nothing short of inhumanity but that's just me. Just be careful what you type and how intelligent it makes you sound when you blow your omo Yoruba propaganda.

Olu317:
LIE LIE. IN 1770S BRITISH COLONIALIST CAME TO THE AMERICA WITH 2,5000,000 SLAVES. HOW COME THE OTHER PEOPLE'S LANGUAGES AND TRADITIONS DIDN'T SURVIVED? I AM SURE IT WAS AS A RESULT OF INFERIORITY COMPLEX ..... MANY OF THE YORUBA SOLD INTO SLAVERY WERE WAR CAPTIVES ,BRAVE MEN CAUGHT DURING KIDNAPPING DAYS OR STUBBORN ONES WHO REFUSES TO HEED TO ADVISES. WHAT ABOUT THE IBOS ? BUT I LOVED THESE MEN BECAUSE THEY KEPT IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES AS FROM AN ETHNICITY FROM WEST AFRICA. WHAT A PEOPLE! WHAT A TRADITION AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL ETHNICITY TO ADORE TO A FAULT.

http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/search/igbo+landing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_Jamaica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Americans

Yeah, you might wanna look at some of this, nigga, and quit talking out of your arse. I see you're another nigga who doesn't think exclusive caps makes you look like anything other than a total oloshi.

Pasta's officially on the menu tomorrow but this is the most upgraded rice I've had all week. Correctly served with dodo, properly fried chicken and sweetcorn for garnishing.

agadez007:
Igbo contributed alot to pidgin english well e.g-the pidgin way of adding "go" in some sentence is definitely of igbo origin,go in igbo language is "Ga"
In igbo-A ga'm aga
Pidgin-i go go
Igbo-A ga'm eri
Pidgin-i go chop

I've noticed. There's also similar structure in Jamaican patois and I know there's plenty numerous loanwords in their pidgin of Igbo origin (I know they use the correct Igbo form for you-plural, unu, and de for di, and plenty others). It was also them who introduced proverbs and certain concepts (dibia-obiah/obeah). They even call potopoto for mud sef.

Nigerian or western pancakes?

lawani:
WHEN A LIE IS ALMOST BECOMING A TRUTH (LIKE RELIGION) BECAUSE OF ENDLESS REPETITION, THEN TO QUASH IT, YOU NEED A LEVEL OF AGGRESSION, EVEN IF ONLY CAPS LOCK!. I MENTION BENIN BECAUSE ITSEKIRI AND BENIN ARE THESAME. WE OWE IT A DUTY TO LEAVE A PROPER LEGACY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION AND AS THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN RATHER THAN BEING UPHELD! PROPER RENDITION OF HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT IS AN ACADEMIC DUTY, A SACRED ONE.

I guess the majority of us have been labouring under an illusion for all our lives and that Itsekiri na Edo be the same ethnic group. Wow. Any other adulterated "facts" (aka outright lies) you wan tell us this night?

lawani:
WHEN YOU SAY ITSEKIRI OR BENIN, WE ARE STILL SAYING THESAME THING AS YORUBA. THERE ARE IJAWS ON THE YORUBA SIDE AS INDIGENES BUT NO IJAW SOVEREIGNTY ON THIS SIDE BEFORE COLONISATION. IJAW SOVEREIGNTY OCCURRED ONLY IN THE EASTERN SIDE AND IT BECAME PROMINENT AFTER THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION BECAUSE THEY CONTROLLED A PORTION OF THE PALM OIL TRADE. THEY INFACT CONTROLLED PALM OIL SALES TO EUROPEANS. THE KINGDOM OF IWERE (WARRI) IS PART OF THE YORUBA I SPOKE ABOUT AND THAT KINGDOM CONTAINED URHOBO, IJAW AND ETC AS WELL.

I can't take seriously a nigga who chooses to type exclusively in caps. Remove am, abeg. It doesn't make you sound any more knowledgeable or enlightened but quite the opposite.

Where the hell did I mention Bini?

lawani:
YOUNG MAN, YOU ARE NOT VERSED IN HISTORY, YOU ARE INFACT UNEDUCATED IN THAT SECTOR! AS A MATTER OF FACT YORUBAS HAD BEEN DEALING WITH EUROPEANS FOR ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE KNOWING THERE ARE PEOPLE CALLED IGBOS, EFIK, CALABAR ETC. AS AT EARLY 19TH CENTURY, THE WHOLE OF THE WEST AFRICAN COAST COMPRISING GHANA, TOGO, BENIN REPUBLIC AND YORUBA NIGERIA WERE ONE FEDERATION WITH HEADQUARTERS IN OYO ILE. MOST OF YOU ARE JUST IGNORANT AND UNEDUCATED.

And I guess the 15th-century contact the oyibos/Portuguese had with the Niger Deltans (Ijo and Ishekiri), well preceding the 1800s, counts for sweet fu*k all, abi?

And I'm not being funny but is there any need for the caps? Why are you shouting down the poor dude at 4am?

In pidgin:

1. Oyibo (white person/westerner)
2. Obodo oyibo (white man's land/abroad)

You missed the blatantly obvious two that have been debated to the core on this very forum 1001 times. And tey, na, nwantinti, gbam.

Food:

Okpa
Goat meat pepper soup
Ngwo-ngwo
Point and Kill (Catfish Pepper Soup) - na Igbo abi?
Agidi jellof
Ora
Onugbu
Ofe nsala
Akpu
Okro
Ogbolo
Egwusi
Ehu (na calabash nutmeg)
Snail



And I'm pretty sure it was Igbos who introduced the concept of concoction rice (it does actually exist in Igboland as a traditional version of standard jollof rice).

YourNemesis:
lol... I am just saying you guyz have it all.
Three Gbosas for Una.

This no be the thread to bring in tribalistic comments. That's low even for you. Onye ala.

Yoruba. Fula isn't Hausa and they constitute but a minority in that state. There's probably more Ebira and Nupe in Kwara sef.

More jollof today, this one I'm even managing with no meat sha.

Will make a spag bol later in the week.

It's nowhere near as burnt as it looks.

YourNemesis:
Yeeboz engage in every societal vice known to man..
too bad.

Abi na only Ibo guys dey rape? See this foolish ewedu-eating ode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiahpcDQP6k

Na waoh.

Jollof rice and fried chicken. Excuse the sh*t picture quality (very outdated iPhone).

I haven't heard the best things about the standard of kilishi prep at that GRA in Lokoga but suya's always been fine.

PinaColada:

see this one sef, what's even funny?

BluntMadmoiselle:
Bros.... u asked for a type of rice with quality, I suggested that u go for "special rice" and you're still asking if it's a local rice......it's a multi-international rice

My bad. I'll have a look for it here. Thanks very much.

BluntMadmoiselle:
I don't know oo....All I know is, it's a very good rice and it's sold here in Nigeria

I hope is not the local rice.

BluntMadmoiselle:
Special rice.....it's packed in a brown sac

Abi na for Nigerians living in obodo oyibo?

Abeg, someone recommend me the best brands of rice to use for Nigerian rice recipes (esp. jellof rice), bikonu.

chijiblaze:
Which language(s) risk(s) dying first, I.e. In what order?
Yoruba, Igbo, Ibibio, Bini, Ijaw, Urhobo, Igala, Tiv, Hausa?

Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa.

I no sabi for all these minority languages but I hear Urhobo is on its last legs, and Edo's heading in the same direction.

I think Ibibios and other coastal south-easterners do better for speaking their native tongue than upland Niger Deltans.

Noneroone:
"Igboid" such is silly political invention.

I wouldnt have bothered to comment if some supposedly enlightened Igbos didnt post in a manner that is patrionizing to Igbo division agenda

All the indigenous cultures from ika down oratta and ikwerre are Igbo. The variations are just dialects. Some that we call dialects are not even variant enough to constitute one.

Imagine a grown-up saying ikwerre and ogba are "igboid languages"

do you even know the meaning of Igboid? What an insult on the sensibility of Igbos!

people should stop engaging in the crass abuse of the word "language"

someone even said that Igbo is not a homogeinous group. What an academic misfit! Do you know that a historian once suggested that the entire Igboland must have had one single ruler in the distant past, since it is difficult to explain why market days, kinship and well entrenched customs are same throughout igboland.

the slave traders who visited the Niger area since the 14th century clearly recorded majority of the slaves they got as having come from the "heebo" country.

The colonialist in their own account documented that two third of lower niger (old eastern region) are Igbo. These whites related first hand with the natives, spent years with them, studied their culture, religion, belief system, mythology, tradition, ritual, market days etc and concluded the igbos are one and even share one history.

We will not allow some intellectual fraudsters to declare that Igbo is not a homogenous group and go further to arrogate on themselves the academic authority of making phantom declaration behind the keyboard that some igbo dialects are 'igboid' and some are igbo.

If you are looking for attention and you think telling Igbo story the way it will please our enemies is the only way to get it then think again.

Mr Man, I don't have a division agenda nor do I claim to be an 'enlightened Igbo.' This thread's clearly my own opinion and personal understanding and I've even asked questions, indicating my knowledge is incomplete. Take time, abeg.