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marylandcakes:
At least this way you are sure of what you are eating.

True sha. Looks yummy.

Olu317:
If Tequila isnt telling you the truth,I will advise you to go to ILE IFE and tell them that, they are IBOS. And let them kick your butts....YOU AND YOUR LIKES ARE COMPLETELY MISINFORMING THE WHOLE WORLD WITH YOUR FALSE HYPOTHESIS WITH NO EVIDENCE.....

EDO IS CLAIMING ODUA, NUPE IS CLAIMING ODUA, ORANMIYAN, SHANGO AND NOW IBO IS CLAIMING PART OF ILE IFE. WONDERS SHALL NEVER END. I PITY YOU ALL.

MY ADVICE TO YOU PRECISELY SEUN OSEWA, IS THAT YOU BETTER CALL SOME OF THESE YOUR MODERATORS AND THEIR LIKES THAT RELAY FALSE INFORMATION ON HERE TO ORDER ELSE YOUR SITE WILL BE CREDITED AMONG THE BLACKLIST .

All I'm seeing is another ode who thinks using block caps makes him sound smart. Yaba needs more beds.

ODVanguard:
I can see the flatthheads are here with their usual mischief. Make una no worry. One thing I always trust my Ondo brothers for is flogging some sense into you lots when y'all step out of line. The Deji and his boys have a very special and locally customized cane/way of treating una fvckup wella and no amount of fake and empty a$$ kissing can change that.

Who be they?

Some of the lightest-skinned Yorubas you'll ever see.

But I heard no one can sabi their dialect.

I can't help but laugh at some Ikwerres saying their language isn't Igbo when it's x101 more intelligible than Ebonyi and Wawa Igbo.

bigfrancis21:
From my understanding, the difference between an Igbo dialect and an Igboid language would depend on the level of mutual intelligibility between the said dialect under question and other dialects considered under the Igbo dialect continuum. In other words, an Igbo dialect is one which shows little divergence from other Igbo dialects and is mutually intelligible to others, on the other hand, an Igboid language is one that exhibits a high divergence from other 'Igbo dialects' but has a little relationship, such as words or sentence structure, with other dialects under the Igboid umbrella. In other words, Igboid language means 'looks like Igbo but is not Igbo'. Ogba speech form shares similarity to Ndokwa but with more southern influence compared to more 'anambra' influence on Ndokwa. Ordinarily, Ogba should be an Igbo dialect and Ekpeye (akpaohia) would be an Igboid language (it shares some level of mutuality with other Igbo dialects but has significant non-Igbo influence also that would make it stay on its own).

For example, while Onitsha would say, ife oma Nna melu m, Ekpeye would say, iyu uma Ida meni me. In terms of pronunciation, it is exactly alike as other Igbo dialect speakers pronounce the words with the usual inflections, however one could see a high divergence of the actual words of Ekpeye.

My issue with Robinson's classification of 'Igbo language' and 'Igboid language' is that such classification may have been made according to which bia-speaking clan accepts being Igbo or not. For example, while Eche dialect is not much different from Owerri dialect, Owerri dialect is classified as an Igbo dialect and Etche probably as an Igboid language.

To answer your question, Ogba should be an Igbo dialect (based on high degree of mutuality) and Ekpeye an Igboid language.

I see. And what's the history behind Ogbas, Bonny-Opobo, Ndoni, Etche and other Igbo-speaking areas of Rivers? I started a thread on this a while back re. Rivers and Delta Igbos and their indigenous languages/dialects + culture but it went nowhere.

I don't see Ika and Ukwuanis (Bendel Igbos) as Igbo but I'd be more than happy to re-consider that stance if someone could enlighten me on their traditional society and language. Originally Bini people who only mingled with Igbos recently or what? Those are the sort of questions I want answering.

Igboid:
Haven't you been advised to stick to Igala and Anioma history?

There's nothing not true about what he said though.

No point stirring and leaving vague statements, Chinenye. Don’t hold back on educating me.

ChinenyeN:
What is Igbo language proper?

We've been through this before. There's a different between dialect and related/oid language.

bigfrancis, is Ogba a dialect of Igbo language proper or an Igboid language?

I recently came across another one of the Igbo/Yoruba threads on here and I was mostly just skimming through it until I came across this post by bigfrancis linking to an article written by one Catherine researcher and it explains how Igbo’s the surviving proto language and civilisation in the world and how ancient Egyptians (who we all know were negroes like us) are descended from the ancient Igbo. I’m not picking sides or saying I’m with her, I just found it too interesting to let it li. I hope bigfrancis doesn’t mind me posting what he posted.


A researcher analyzing the sounds in languages spoken around the world has detected an ancient signal that points to southern Africa (meaning Sub-Sahara) as the place where modern human language originated. The finding fits well with the evidence from fossil skulls and DNA that modern humans originated in Africa. The detection of such an ancient signal in language is surprising. Because words change so rapidly, many linguists think that languages cannot be traced very far back in time. The oldest language tree so far reconstructed, that of the Indo-European family, which includes English, goes back 9,000 years at most.

Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, has shattered this time barrier, if his claim is correct, by looking not at words but at phonemes — the consonants, vowels and tones that are the simplest elements of language. Dr. Atkinson, an expert at applying mathematical methods to linguistics, has found a simple but striking pattern in some 500 languages spoken throughout the world: A language area uses fewer phonemes the farther that early humans had to travel from Africa to reach it.

Some of the click-using languages of Africa have more than 100 phonemes, whereas Hawaiian, toward the far end of the human migration route out of Africa, has only 13. English has about 45 phonemes. This pattern of decreasing diversity with distance, similar to the well-established decrease in genetic diversity with distance from Africa, implies that the origin of modern human language is in the region of southwestern Africa, Dr. Atkinson says in an article published on Thursday in the journal Science.

Language is at least 50,000 years old, the date that modern humans dispersed from Africa, and some experts say it is at least 100,000 years old. Dr. Atkinson, if his work is correct, is picking up a distant echo from this far back in time….Dr. Atkinson is one of several biologists who have started applying to historical linguistics the sophisticated statistical methods developed for constructing genetic trees based on DNA sequences. Some linguists have regarded these efforts with suspicion.

In 2003 Dr. Atkinson and Russell Gray, another biologist at the University of Auckland, reconstructed the tree of Indo-European languages with a DNA tree-drawing method called Bayesian phylogeny. The tree indicated that Indo-European was much older than historical linguists had estimated and hence favored the theory that the language family had diversified with the spread of agriculture some 10,000 years ago, not with a military invasion by steppe people some 6,000 years ago, the idea favored by most historical linguists Dr. Atkinson’s finding fits with other evidence about the origins of language. The Bushmen of the Kalahari Desert belong to one of the earliest branches of the genetic tree based on human mitochondrial DNA. Their languages belong to a family known as Khoisan and include many click sounds, which seem to be a very ancient feature of language. And they live in southern Africa, which Dr. Atkinson’s calculations point to as the origin of language. But whether Khoisan is closest to some ancestral form of language “is not something my method can speak to,” Dr. Atkinson said.

A recent finding that the number of phonemes in a language increases with the number of people who speak it prompted his study. This gave him the idea that phoneme diversity would increase as a population grew, but would fall again when a small group split off and migrated away from the parent group. Such a continual budding process, which is the way the first modern humans expanded around the world, is known to produce what biologists call a serial founder effect. Each time a smaller group moves away, there is a reduction in its genetic diversity. The reduction in phonemic diversity over increasing distances from Africa, as seen by Dr. Atkinson, parallels the reduction in genetic diversity already recorded by biologists. For either kind of reduction in diversity to occur, the population budding process must be rapid, or diversity will build up again. This implies that the human expansion out of Africa was very rapid at each stage. The acquisition of modern language, or the technology it made possible, may have prompted the expansion, Dr. Atkinson said.

What is so remarkable about this work is that it shows language doesn’t change all that fast, rather it retains a signal of its ancestry over tens of thousands of years,” said Mark Pagel, a biologist at the University of Reading in England who advised Dr. Atkinson. Dr. Pagel sees language as central to human expansion across the globe. “Language was our secret weapon, and as soon we got language we became a really dangerous species,” he said.

INTRODUCTION

In several recent articles (see www.carcafriculture.org) presented by the Catherine Acholonu Research Center at various Fora including the 2011 Igbo Studies Association Conference, Howard University, Washington DC, USA; the 2010 World Igbo Congress, Philadelphia, USA and a recent lecture at the African Studies Center, University of Nigeria, we have continued to emphasize the thesis of an Igbo origin of language, argued most convincingly in volumes 2 and 3 of the African Adam Trilogy: They Lived Before Adam: Pre-historic Origins of the Igbo, The Never Been Ruled (2009) and The Lost Testament of the Ancestors of Adam: Unearthing Heliopolis/Igbo Ukwu – The Celestial City of the Gods of Egypt and Dravidian India (2010).

This recent article in New York Times, by Nicholas Wade ex-raying new research findings that use mathematical methods of biological DNA analyses to analyze phoneme frequencies (frequencies of sounds and tones of vowels and consonants) as they occur in various distant languages of the world to determine language origins, has not only lend much weight to our own conclusions, but it has made the Igbo language and cultural area a subject for international linguistic and historical discourse.

The conclusion by the Atkinson research team that language originated in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa supports our own thesis of an Igbo origin of languages because Igbo language is based in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa. Also the conclusion that this ancient mother-language left Africa during the earliest ‘Out of Africa’ migrations is the same as our own conclusions that Homo Erectus left Africa with a Language and a Culture intact, and not, as animal-like ‘primitive man’. Our thesis that the San (Khoisan) Bushmen of the Kalahari were among the earliest carriers of this Proto-Proto-Igbo mother tongue, was also confirmed in the Atkinson research findings.

We therefore call on Igbo scholars worldwide to seize upon this added scientific evidence provided by Dr. Atkinson’s research[1] to bring global research interest/funding to Igbo studies to save it from extinction and to restore its pride of place as the mother language of humankind. This will have powerful ripple effects on the study and development of Igbo culture, Igbo identity and on the restoration of the soul-essence of Igbo civilization as the mother of world civilizations, for as Dr. Mark Pegel, a biologist at the university of Reading, England, argues (see above), “language is central to human expansion across the globe” and as such central to human civilization.

EVIDENCE FROM PRE-HISTORY BACKING UP AN IGBO ORIGIN OF HUMANKIND, LANGUAGE, CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION

Our claims to an Igbo origin of language, culture and civilization are not based on spoken language alone, but on the equally compelling fact that among the archaeological discoveries at Igbo Ukwu by British archaeologist Thurstan Shaw, were several inscriptions on pottery and bronze, which when compared with ancient Middle Eastern inscriptions (Egyptian and Cretan Hieroglyphics, Hittite, Old Phoenician, Old Sumerian, Proto-Palestinian, etc)[2] show several striking similarities. This shows that there was a civilization of note, based in Igbo land, now lost, which might have birthed the Middle Eastern civilizations and writing systems, but also their spoken languages.

Equally compelling is the discovery of an Early, Middle and Late Stone Age Homo Erectus (the ancestor of Homo Sapiens Sapiens or Modern Man) habitation in Ugwuele, Isuikwuato, Abia State in Igbo land in the early seventies by a team of archaeologists from the University of Nigeria, Nsukka[3]. This adds tons of weight to an Igbo origin of the ‘Out of Africa’ migrations of Early Man; but to also an Igbo origin of human language and culture; while the Igbo Ukwu inscriptions backed up by the mythologies and written records of the Egyptians, Sumerians, Dravidians, Hebrews and Kwa peoples of Nigeria lend credence to a Post-Deluge Kwa-Igbo origin of civilization[4].

INDELIBLE SIGNALS OF THE MOTHER-LANGUAGE ARE RETAINED THROUGH THOUSANDS OF YEARS

Dr Pegel noted[5], most interestingly, that “What’s so remarkable about this (Atkinson’s) work is that it shows language doesn’t change all that fast — it retains a signal of its ancestry over tens of thousands of years”. What we are about to demonstrate in this article is how signals of Igbo language has been retained in some of the most ancient as well as the most modern languages (and cultures) of the world, proving without any shadow of doubt that the Igbo was the mother of languages such as Sanskrit, Egyptian, Sumerian, English and Semitic languages[6], or at least that Igbo is the longest surviving child of a global mother language spoken by gods and men alike.

Linguists believe that when words from two or more separate languages share similarities in sound and meaning, it is a sign of borrowing or common origin.[7] Using this method, we have found hundreds of words of similar sounds and meanings with those of Igbo language across several languages of the globe, showing, indeed that signals of the mother language are retained “through tens of thousands of years”. In fact we gave over-weighing evidence in the Adam Trilogy[8] that every language retains traces of cultural and historical experiences it has lived through in the course of millennia. We even found several traces that Igbo was the language spoken by God when he ‘spoke’ creation into being and that it was the language spoken by the first Homo Sapiens family – Adam’s.[9]

Here we list words from diverse ancient and modern languages that have retained Igbo signals in the form of common sounds and meanings with the mother language, and in some cases, powerful evidence of having originated in an Igbo cultural environment.

EGYPTIAN WORDS OF IGBO ORIGIN

The Egyptian word for ‘gods’ is NTR or Neter. It means ‘Guardian or Watcher’. Its Igbo equivalent/original is Onetara (meaning – ‘He who guards and watches’ over a thing on behalf of someone else). The Igbo original is more explicit, for it shows that these lesser gods are answerable to a Higher Being.

The highest and oldest of the known gods of Egypt was Ptah. He was the father of all the other gods. His name, Ptah, means in Egyptian, ‘He who fashions things by carving and opening up”.[10] The Igbo original of this word is Okpu-atu (meaning ‘He who moulds/fashions things by carving and opening up’. Igbo word tuo/atu means both ‘to carve and to open a hole’). Ptah’s rule over Egypt began as early as 21,000 BC! If his name and the collective name for the gods of Egypt, Neter, were Igbo in origin, it implies that an ancient civilization of Igbo extraction existed in West Africa, where the gods, and not men ruled, by at least 22,000 BC; that Egypt was an originally Igbo-speaking civilization and that early Egyptians were Igbos.[11] These linguistic pieces of evidence suggest that the earliest Egyptian civilization (the time when gods and not men ruled Egypt) before Pharaohnic rule began in 3,100 BC was based in West Africa and not in North Africa – the civilization, now lost to which the Igbo Ukwu archaeological findings belong.[12] We have found several pieces of evidence supporting this assertion which will be published in subsequent articles.

Ptah’s son was called Ra, meaning ‘Sun/Daylight’. It’s Igbo original was Ora (which in Afa – the cult language of Igbo native priests, also meant ‘Sun/daylight’).

The grandson of Ra was called Osiris by the Greeks and Asar by the Egyptians. Osiris’ was associated with the number ‘seven’. No one knows the meaning of his name in Egypt[13], but in Igbo language Asaa means ‘seven’!

The son of Osiris was called Horus. This is a Greek version of a native Egyptian word Heru, which means ‘Face’, as in ‘Face of the Sun’. Its Igbo original is Iru – ‘Face’. Horus was known as the Lord of the Horizon. The Horizon being known to the Egyptians as the land of the Rising Sun, a place located in the Southwestern direction from Egypt - the original mythological home of the gods of Egypt. Our analyses shows that this land of the Rising sun was known in several other world mythologies as the Center/Navel of the Earth. The actual cartographical center of the earth, as indicated in all old maps of the world is ‘Median Biafra’, for median means ‘Center’. Biafra is the ancient name for the place now known as Igbo land. It’s location on world maps shows that Igbo land was the true ‘navel of the earth’. Igbo land was thus, that Land of the Rising Sun/that Horizon Land to which Egyptian mythologies and pyramid records refer as the Heaven of the Egyptians. The international word ‘Horizon’ is thus derived from the name ‘Horus’, which in itself is derived from Igbo word Iru – ‘Face of the Sun’. To demonstrate their genetic claim to being the true god-men who lived in this land of the gods, Igbo initiates marked themselves with the symbol of the sun – ichi, a word derived from another name of the Sun/daylight, chi, which is also the name of the spirit of God in Man and from which originated the Greek word Christ[14].

Egypt’s most ancient god is called Amun/Amen/Ammun. He is a god residing under the earth and his name implies ‘Hidden inside the bowels of Earth’. According to Martin Bernal[15] the word Amen is derived from imn which is pronounced Amana. These two words have Igbo origins. Igbo equivalent of imn (Egyptian words are usually not written with vowels) is ime ana, and means ‘inside the earth’, while amana is equally an Igbo word referring to the Earth religion, further supporting an originally Igbo-based Egyptian religion and civilization.

Egyptian words with Igbo sounds and meanings are legion. They include but are not limited to the following:
Egyptian: Musi/mose/msi – ‘to give birth’ (Igbo – mmusi ‘to give birth to many children’). From this word is derived names of Pharaohs such as Thoth-mose (‘Born of Thoth’), Rameses (‘Descended from Ra’), etc. The fact that many pharaohs of Egypt bear this word in their names would tend to add weight to an Igbo origin of Egyptian civilization and divinities.

Egyptian: tuf - ‘to throw away’ (Igbo: tufuo – ‘to throw away’)

Egyptian: akhu – ‘fire/light’ (Igbo: oku – ‘fire/light’). Akhu is the sacred vernacular name for the Giza Pyramid – one of the greatest wonders of the world. Its native Igbo name implies that an Igbo-speaking team of ancient engineers possibly constructed it, especially because as we demonstrated in They Lived Before Adam, many key words in Egyptian Engineering lexicon are cognates of Igbo language.

Egyptian: aru - ‘body/form’ (Igbo: aru - ‘body’)

Egyptian: ba - ‘heart’(Igbo: obi – ‘heart’)

Egyptian: Busiris ‘House of Osiris’ (Igbo/Nri/Nsukka dialect: ‘Obu Osiris’ – ‘House of Osiris’).

Egypt was known as ‘Black land’. Probably the word ‘Egypt’ could have been derived from the Igbo word Ojikputu, which means ‘Pitch Black’ (Orlu dialect)

Egyptian: hike – ‘power/strength’ (Igbo – ike – ‘power/strength’

Egyptian - hekau – ‘word of power’ (Igbo - ike okwu – ‘word of power’)

Eguptian xut/pronounced kut ‘sunrise’ (Igbo ukutu ‘dawn’ – Orlu dialect)

Egyptian sa ‘to shine’ (Igbo saa ‘to shine’ - Orlu dialect)

Egyptian satu ‘shine down’ (Igbo satuo – ‘ shine down’ - Orlu dialect)

Egyptian tua ‘glorify’ (Igbo too ‘glorify’ Orlu dialect)

Egyptian hru ‘the day dawns’ (Igbo horo ‘the day dawns’- Orlu dialect)

Egyptian xerkert (pronounced kirkir) ‘pieces’ (Igbo kirikiri ‘pieces’ - Orlu dialect

Egyptian transitive –k ‘you’ Igbo transitive –k ‘you’ as in si ku - ‘say to you’ - Nsukka dialect).

Egyptian borrowings from Igbo are in two groups: words borrowed from Orlu/Okigwe dialectal family are far older in chronological time that those borrowed from the Anambra dialectal family since Orlu/Okigwe are held by Igbo historians[16] to belong to the autochthonous (non-migrant descendants of Homo Erectus) group. This implies that the earliest roots of Egyptian civilization, when the gods and not men ruled Egypt, began among the autochthons of Igbo land, but did not end there. Latter-day migrant Igbo priest-kings continued to exert influences in Pharaohnic Egyptian civilization.[17]

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/igbo/westafricanorigin.htm

Nobody should come and fight me ooh. I'm only posting what I found interesting, not putting it forward as hard fact before the Oduduwa republicans enter thread and start doing iyanga.

abouzaid:
he he,nsala is my favourite soup o,whether with fresh fish, chicken, beef,goat meat or even only dry fish, let me guess your village. Atani?

You dey miss the most important part of ofe nsala - catfish.

franklingud:
I said 5 min maximum. Which means 4 min atheist.

Which kind insult be atheist?

Fadedjeans:
You covered the pot and allowed to simmer. I'm curious, did the soup still have that slimy feel? Let me put it in the way we say it, did the soup still draw?

Again, it's a myth that ogbono doesn't draw with a covered pot. I'm amazed st the number of people who still believe that nonsense.

AsapTeddy:
Thanks for pointing this out. Dont mind some wannabes, they always wana form ITK.

Doesn't mean you still don't have a lot to learn if you think curry maketh a good ogbono soup but you try sha.

chronique:
It's not. I've made the mistake of covering ogbono on the fire and it wasn't as slimy as it should be.

Probably you didn't add enough meat stock or you bought the wrong seeds. Ogbono can draw perfectly with pot covered or uncovered. E no even be me who discovered this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jICtmdxI1Ag

This woman happens to be the queen of Naija recipes and if she says ogbono can draw with the pot covered, it can. No need to argue because your ogbono didn't draw one time.

AsapTeddy:
be like say u no sabi read oh. cook ur meat with ur seasoning of choice....be like say u get problem with comprehension.

You dey advocate poison food though. Curry has literally no place in soup.

chronique:
Once you add the ogbono, you don't cover the pot or else, it would lose the slimy feel and won't "draw".

This one na myth sef. You don't need to leave ogbolo uncovered to make it draw.

Chommieblaq:
When I saw the curry I was like
Buh remembers it's his first time

Asin eh.

OP na ofe ogbolo or fried rice this one you say put curry?

Vanessa88:
Looks yummy.. But no table water?

Pure wata.

I'm not seeing much in the way of obstacles other than beef. Abi shaki dey fear that pot? Swimmy swim (fish) no dey enter? Even simple kpomo self, you no fit buy am? Chineke.

GindoX:
This is the [B]dumpness[/B] question I have ever heard

This one na DUMBEST reply I've ever seen.

fluxbush:
Did I just read 'season meat with curry etc'? Hian! O di egwu. Curry? In soup? Chi m oo

See pot sef chai. Abi na 1942?

nwabobo:
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@op, you are killing yourself with that collection of fatty substances you call meat.

Are we not Nigerian?

Wulfruna:
He didn't mean Southern US. He meant Southern Nigeria. You look like a Southern Nigerian, that's what he was trying to say.

Yup, that's exactly what I was trying to say. I thought I made it obvious when I slipped in Igbo/Yoruba.

Another osikapa/iresi day (best of both worlds).

Jcolston89:
I am from Mississippi. I wasnt looking for southern recognition.

No need for the cheek.

You asked what ethnic group you look like and I (as did others) said that you look like your standard southern Nigerian and that it's hard to pinpoint an exact tribe in the south. I did hint that I was veering slightly more toward Igbo than others though. Exact answers aren't always easy to give.

ModestGal:
Igbo, seriously, don't you know where you are from?

I think he can be forgiven for not knowing the exact origins of his ancestors. Did you not read his OP?

You look like a typical southerner to me. The beard game you've got going on makes me think Igbo but you could just as easily be Yoruba or any other ethnic group.

Civilisation started in Africa, at a time when Europe was still in the dark ages. Nuff said.