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lawani:
YOU SAY OLUKUNMI ARE ON IGBO LAND? HOW ARE THEY ON IGBO LAND? THEY BORDER FULL IGBOS TO THE EAST! ARE THERE IGBOS BEHIND THEM? OR TO THEIR WEST? WE HAVE EDOID GROUPS BEHIND THEM NOT NECESSARILY IGBOS. SO THEY ARE ON THEIR LAND AND NOT NECESSARILY ON IGBO LAND!


YOU SAY IGBO IS ANCESTOR OF YORUBA LANGUAGE? THAT IS NOT AN ACADEMIC STATEMENT! YOU SAY IGBO IS THE PROTO FORM OR ANCESTOR OF YORUBA? THAT ISNT ACADEMIC! WHY? THERE ARE DIFFERENT IGBO DIALECTS THAT ARE NOT MUTUALLY INTELLIGIBLE, THEN YOU YOURSELF MENTIONED EKPEYE A LANGUAGE YOU SAY IS SIMILAR TO IGBO. SO THAT SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE PROTO FORM OF LANGUAGES IN FAMILIES! AND THE ANCESTOR OF EKPEYE AND IGBO ISNT EKPEYE OR IGBO! CANT YOU DEDUCE THAT? SO HOW MUCH MORE YORUBA AND IGBO? THAT IS THE LOGIC.


THEN THE ANCESTORS OF IGBOS MADE A LOUSY DECISION WHEN THEY REJECTED KINGS. THAT WAS A LOUSY DECISION. IT WAS HOW THEY SEPARATED FROM YORUBAS!

LET ME TELL YOU, IGBO UKWU DOES NOT BELONG TO A KINGLESS SOCIETY! THOSE ARTWORKS ARE NOT NRI BUT IFE.

Know your place, kid. bigfrancis will roast you when he sees this nonsense.

VomeSchakleton:
Its not just you, its most southerners seeing us as inferior nigerians or even rebuffing our citizenship. You promote these stereotypes and neglect our presence just like your comment up there did.

I'm not neglecting anyone's presence, bros. All I'm saying is that when a typical non-Nigerian thinks of a stereotypical Nigerian, they're thinking more about southerners than northerners, especially since northerners are the least likely to leave the shores of West Africa. Even Urhobo, Tiv, Itsekiri sef travel out more than northerners.

Bite me if you want. Una just don't represent the prototypal Nigerian image in the west.

VomeSchakleton:
Here you go saying we dont look like nigerians again. What does that mean? We are nigerians just like you so what if we say you dont look nigerian how would that make you feel?

I'm just going by conventional Nigerian standards re. looks, and I don't know why you're saying 'again' since this is the first time I've made this type of post on here.

And I'd brush it off since everyone's allowed to express their opinions on an open forum. I expect Nigerians to have a certain level of thick skin. You know full well that the stereotypical Nigerian is a southerner, not a northerner. All I'm doing is going by conventional standards.

lawani:
Some Anambra, Delta and Enugu communities border with Yoruboid areas. Igala, Olukunmi, Itsekiri are all Yoruboid groups and you find more Yoruboid words, mannerism, culture in the adjacent Igbo areas.

Yeah, I'm still not getting this, lawani. You wan give examples of these Yoruboid words (save for okoro) and esp. mannerisms?

lawani:
Oyibo, Oyinbo, Eebo, Oibo are thesame word rendered differently.

My observation is that oyibo is more popular generally in southern Nigeria (and among Igbos) and that's how the word's pronounced anyway. Yorubas (at least the ones I know) also say oyibo but write oyinbo. I know some Yorubas use eebo but in written language it always has a likeness for oyinbo from what I've seen. The rest of us in the south just say and write oyibo.

lawani:
You made some sense in your submission but you failed when you said Bishop Crowther must have introduced 'oyibo' to Yorubas!. That isnt an academic statement as Oyibo is our only word for white man, though we differentiate Europeans according to origin as well Oyibo Geesi is British, Oyibo Potogi is Portuguese, oyibo Faranse is French, Oyibo Amaro is Spanish and I believe Aguda is German. They were the ones who based in Togo that was Oyo territory and the church their missionaries dominate is called Ijo Aguda or Catholic church. I think Aguda is German. Then we have are saying Aguda o je labe Geesi which I think means 'Germans are independent of Britain'. So Oyibo was in use before Bishop Crowther's great great great great grandpa was born. Oyibo means oyi' Breeze and Bo peel. Make of it what you will. I believe it is a shared word though but etymology is Yoruba and it is Igbos near the Yoruboid areas that use it.

On Egusi. A former employee of mine from Ile Ife told me of a couple dedicated by Ife people to a deity. They dont buy food, they take whatever they want in the market. They are dedicated to a certain deity. The name of the wife is Segusipepe, I have forgotten the husband's name. Segusipepe means Break the melon briskly or so. Se egusi pepe. That is a name given to someone traditionally in Ile Ife. So how can egusi be borrowed from Igbo who were known to Yorubas only in the 20th century? Egusi also appears to be a shared word. But I would like to know the meaning of 'osinkin' in English if it also means melon.

Wantintin is a variation of the Yoruba bintin which is in the saying Ayo abarabintin. Its thesame origin. There are hundreds of shared words between Yoruba and Igbo that was in use by an ancestor nation to both.

Re. this oyibo matter, I thought what una use is oyinbo/eyinbo while oyibo is the Igbo form of the same word.

YourNemesis:
lol, All these things you are posting are like 5% of the entrenchment of Yoruba culture in the Americas.
I am not even joking.

If I start posting such on Yoruba diaspora culture - I would need an entire thread of its own.... From Buenos Aires up to New - York, the Yoruba culture is fully represented across the entire Western Hemisphere.

The only nation on the planet where Yorubas are found in greater numbers than the Igbo is the UK. That's a fact.

macof:
informed? after being shamed (that's if you are even normal, cus any normal person should feel ashamed of himself at the level you stooped to) you come here with out of point, irrelevant "information"



lol. only a bigot would make should statement


where and when on nairaland have I come close to this

You wan tell me what level I stooped to? What exactly did I say?

bigfrancis21:
Creoles in Jamaica are not Yoruba. The only Creoles of significant Yoruba ancestry are the krio people in Sierra Leone. Jamaicans are mainly descendants of Akan and Igbo people's (Bight of Biafra and the Gold coast). Thus, the likely origin for potopoto in Jamaican creole is Akan and not Yoruba, given that a very tiny number of nago slaves made it to Jamaica.

To the contrary, the population of Yoruba slaves exported to the new world is estimated to be less than 500,000. View the statistics here: https://www.nairaland.com/3580290/comparing-slave-numbers-bight-benin

60% of influence is ridiculous. In terms of linguistics, there are very little or no Yoruba words in Jamaican English creole (later imported into Nigeria as Pidgin). So where does your 60% comes from? Or you just make claims without even thinking twice? Yoruba religion is the major extent of Yoruba influence in the Americas and it is quite popular, being the last of tribes to arrive the new world in substantial numbers to leave cultural bits behind, but I must admit that many academic sources often accredit many things to the Yoruba than necessary. For example, Jamaica known to have mostly Gold Coast and bight of biafra slaves looking to Yoruba language for origin of some of its words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jamaican_Patois_words_of_African_origin#Igbo_language

Potopoto's been credited to both the Igbos and Akans on this page. Even akara sef, along with Ewe na Yoruba.

Muafrika2:
That's a complicated recipe But it sounds tasty.

@VastFinder, what does parboiling rice mean? It seams you have cooked that rice at least three times during the preparation?

All parboiling means is half-cooking the rice and taking it out of its raw state before the real cooking. You could rinse the rice out with cold water till the starch comes off but it takes longer. You still get the same result either way, parboiling is just twice the work but cuts the main cooking time by half

That picture na Chinese fried rice sef.

Nice recipe still.

aljharem:
No not at all. We have igbo words that yorubas adopted as well. Like ugu, nna etc

We borrowed from fulanis as well

Even fulanis borrowed from Arabs etc. Just life

I've never even heard an omo Yoruba addressing a bro as 'nna.' You sure you don't mean na? As in, na be by force.

aljharem:
Ewu in Igbo is a corrupt form of Ewure which mean goat

Read more here

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mWZoQQZbgEQC&pg=PA3&dq=creole+yoruba&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj97NjF8tbRAhVnIsAKHXIfA4oQ6AEILjAA#v=onepage&q=creole%20yoruba&f=false

Nawaoh. You wan discredit everything Igbo abi? Are you trying to say that there's not a single Igbo word that might have been adapted in mainstream Nigerian Pidgin or used by Yoruba people?

aljharem:
This book will educate you better


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B7Nko5XBOegC&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=potopoto+yoruba&source=bl&ots=0BHdimxGX5&sig=PxLxOwYLU5UyvQWDzIVo-MIMmCU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwlsji8dbRAhWIJMAKHankAAIQ6AEIKDAD#v=onepage&q=potopoto%20yoruba&f=false

Yeah, I'm not being funny but anyone can ascribe an etymology to a word and pass it off as fact.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=69xvDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA124&dq=igbo+potopoto&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=igbo%20potopoto&f=false

Both saying exactly the same thing. Most online sources point more toward an Igbo than Yoruba origin. That one you dey show me now is literally the first time I've ever seen a Yoruba laying claim to that term. Tolotolo is definitely shared.

aljharem:
Bolombolo is a corrupted word of Balloon. It is not original and can never be claimed

Potopoto is pure yoruba

Tolotolo is yoruba. Turkeys were never found in the east

Ube is pure yoruba as well.



More yoruba words

Akara
Omo which the Igbos call Umu................ child in igbo actually mean Nwa
Oba
Nomo (Dry strong meat)
Okunrin (Man) Which as also been corrupted to Okoro thanks to the Benins passing this on..... Nwoke is man in Igbo

Keke which mean bicycle

Among others

You wan give Yoruba etymology for potopoto?

lawani:
Some Anambra, Delta and Enugu communities border with Yoruboid areas. Igala, Olukunmi, Itsekiri are all Yoruboid groups and you find more Yoruboid words, mannerism, culture in the adjacent Igbo areas.

Igbos have copied and adopted many Yoruba words (abi, ashewo, oya, shebi/shey, shakara) but they're only a thing in pidgin English. As for Yoruba words transferred directly to the native Igbo language, this is the first I'm hearing of it. And as for mannerisms, wetin?

Oyibo is definitely more of a thing with Igbos along the River Niger (Imolites and Abians, their own is bekee) and I accept that one tribe (Igbo or Yoruba) could've copied from the other. I've seen more evidence on here suggesting that the Igbo oyibo is older but I won't lie that it does tend to be Igbos closer to Yoruboid/Edoid/other westerly groups who use 'oyibo' for anything to do with the white man more often than hinterland Igbos. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a shared word between Igbos and Yorubas through the Edo ebo (I know that's how Binis natively call whites, a little different from the oyibo/oyinbo used elsewhere in southern Nigeria), with Yorubas adding the oyin + bo explanation to derive oyinbo and Igbos adding their own inventions to create oyibo. Oyibo still seems older.

I think tolotolo and akara are shared words in Igbo and Yoruba. Jamaicans use potopoto in their creole and it's said to derive from the Igbo language - "opoto-opoto", mkpọtọ-mkpọtọ, "mud", "muddy." In Ghana languages (Akan) na potopoto self. Where does Yoruba now come into it?

aljharem:
First of all Egusi is a yoruba word which mean break/grind it more. It was never Igbo

For crying out loud. Melons don't grow in Igbo land

Anyone that knows basic agriculture should know that melons grow in savanna. Igbos don't even have savanna not to even talk of having contact with melon seed.

Igbos also have one way of making egusi soup but yoruba have various ways because of first contact. at least I know of 3

I have proven this before 4 years back in a thread I cannot get right now

You're living on cloud nine if you think Igbos only have one way of making egusi. Ógbalóti na ofe okazi, na?

lawani:
You made some sense in your submission but you failed when you said Bishop Crowther must have introduced 'oyibo' to Yorubas!. That isnt an academic statement as Oyibo is our only word for white man, though we differentiate Europeans according to origin as well Oyibo Geesi is British, Oyibo Potogi is Portuguese, oyibo Faranse is French, Oyibo Amaro is Spanish and I believe Aguda is German. They were the ones who based in Togo that was Oyo territory and the church their missionaries dominate is called Ijo Aguda or Catholic church. I think Aguda is German. Then we have are saying Aguda o je labe Geesi which I think means 'Germans are independent of Britain'. So Oyibo was in use before Bishop Crowther's great great great great grandpa was born. Oyibo means oyi' Breeze and Bo peel. Make of it what you will. I believe it is a shared word though but etymology is Yoruba and it is Igbos near the Yoruboid areas that use it.

Igbos by Yoruboid areas? Wetin?

macof:
what is all this epistle for now?


you are now a ranting bigot o

Abeg, wetin be epistle here? So an informed post is too much for you to sabi ba?

I'm no bigot but you clearly are.

Justdulla:
Fvck you too then

Onye ala.

Justdulla:
Its a Mans World Men,women are just for our enjoyment and support. You better get used to the fact that a Woman Will Never Be Equal To A Man.
#FvckFeminism

I'm no radical feminist by any stretch but this is one of the dumbest posts I've seen on here. You know it's a woman who gave birth to you?

babasolution:
nigerians oh nigerian,when will its people wake up,i can never consider a white man as superior,nigerians are so gutless n stupid,nigeria is a country of cucked cowards,we wud never progress with this shameful attitudes.

Gbam. See these self-degrading, foolish niggas. You can tell just how many of them have actually ever stepped foot outside the shores of West Africa and are aware of the concept of racism.

Nigerian mentality can be among the most primitive and pathetic in the whole world.

RedboneSmith:
Don't learn Arabic if you want to communicate with Nigerians. Would be a total waste of time. (I think the '70s 'Roots' widely exaggerated the impact of Arabic among black Africans.) You'll be fine with English. If you want to learn a local language, though, the most widely spoken are Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo.

That. Or pidgin English. Nigerians speak more of that than standard English in most informal settings and it can actually save your life in certain situations. So learn am well well.

khonos:
Here are the DNA percentages if you wanted to know :

Nigeria 38%
Senegal 17%
Benin/Togo 11%
Ireland 9%
Cameroon/Congo 7%
Europe West 5%
Ivory Coast/Ghana 3%
Great Britain 2%
Africa Southeastern Bantu 2%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers 2%
Mali 1%
Africa North < 1%
America < 1%
Asia < 1%

There you go. I calculate that to be 81% sub-Saharan African so you're no more mixed than your average Afro-American. Having scanty European admixture doesn't make push you anywhere near to what people would consider mixed race so you can safely call yourself a black man.

It's not even a definite that you're of Igbo ancestry since the Nigerian statistic doesn't specify tribe/ethnic group but I'd say your physical looks and the fact that you're African-American (most Nigerian ancestry in akata points more towards Igbo than any other clan and at least 60% of African-Americans are said to have at least one Igbo ancestor) both suggest you are so I'd side with that, which I can see you've already done.

One thing you'll notice about traditional Igbo society is that it's less united and homogeneous than most other Nigerian cultures and much more fragmented and regionally diverse (I'm talking pre-colonial era) but common traditions include Odinani (the ancient mythology we subscribed to before the white man brought over Christianity), kola nut (oji), yam festivals, etc. We're stereotypically highly industrious and business-minded (and our love of money) and our biggest achievement is probably Nollywood (the official Nigerian move industry, Igbo-controlled and dominated). There's tons and tons more to be said but ama leave you with a very brief summary and advise you to do your own research re. culture. Wiki sounds daft but it has a decent (but short) article on Igbos and their culture - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_culture. Biafra's a hot topic too so you might wanna look into the Nigerian Civil War.

This is blatant lie to make you feel good.

It's no lie. Na wow for some of you Nigerians who dig internal racism. Everything he posted was 100% fact but the world's very much in the dark, including some sad-ass and self-degrading niggas on here. Have some respect for yourself as a fellow black and screw Nigerian mentality when it comes to viewing the white man as your superior.

khonos:
Ah okay great explanation. As far as the man above, that is me. Haha

I'm asking because I get questions as to whether I'm fully black. Some see me as an Arab, Brazilian, Dominican, Mixed (Black & White) but never fully black as I was asking for your POV as Africans. Would I blend in with the crowd in Nigeria or stick out ?

Yeah, I should probably learn to read OPs better. My bad.

You ain't a bad-looking nigga, by the way.

I'd allow the mixed race suggestion since most akata (black Americans) and Afro-Caribbeans have anything in the region of 15-30% European ancestry but they don't see themselves as any other than full nigga, and neither do most oyibo (white) people. The only phenotypically 100% pure blacks can be found in present sub-Saharan Africa and even we've originated from a great wave of migration (a growing and sizeable minority of Igbos claim Hebrew/Israeli descent). You might not be as pure as an African but it's safe to say you've established your identity as a black man before you took your DNA test and you don't look anything other than black (however fair), unless you can give us percentages of exactly just how mixed you are with European ancestry).

I will say that you do have the stereotypical Igbo look (save for the nose). Igbos and akata are often said to have a strong physical resemblance and the last bit in my post above coincidentally describes you perfectly.

Make I introduce you small small to Naijalingo if you wanna be one of us. That's why I keep infusing phrases like akata.

And to answer the question in your OP, Arabic isn't spoken at all in Nigeria but Hausa is in the north (Afro-Asiatic) but you don't want to learn that and there really isn't any need learning it.

khonos:
So what features are the strongest with each major group ? Igbo, Hausa, & Yoruba ?
Can you tell them apart ?

Hearsay has it that all Igbos are fair (esp. the womenfolk), muscly, hairy, and flat-headed (males); that Yorubas are dark and have big booty (the broads); and that Hausas barely look Nigerian at all.

My personal observations are that Yorubas tend to be bigger overall in size and have more 'Mongoloid' features (like the nose of the guy pictured above) and Hausas do tend to have more of an Afro-Asiatic/Arab look (though stereotypically charcoal black), which isn’t surprising given it shares borders with the Sahara desert and, as an ethnic group, extends to Sahelian nations (inc. Niger and Chad) and bear more physical resemblance to these groups than they do their neighbouring, more prototypal southern Nigerians. I also would say that there’s a much higher chance of a bearded fair fellow with an African-American look being Igbo than anything else and there does seem to be a somewhat higher incidence of Igbos being light-skinned between all major ethnic groups but the whole thing’s overhyped. I’ve seen plenty of fair Yorubas in my life and most of them are the least likely to bleach (all the Mama Bukis and holy Deeper Life auntie Funkes). There's more of a variance in Igbo looks compared to the two other major tribes (esp. re. skin tone) but at least two-thirds of us are still dark-ass niggas.

Funjosh:
Bigfrancis21 is it true that am now a moderator

You have wrong pesin, abeg. Look at the moniker well.

Funjosh:
My own be say i come read history but your gramma just too much write am for pigin make i understand

you wan tell me you no sabi simple simple grammar abi? And yet you be moderator? Nawaoh.

Funjosh:
I cant grasps the point you are trying to make

That's all right since I wasn't actually talking to you. Wetin be your own?

Chanchit:
And Bro' Kumuyi wept. Their life no deep at all.

At all. Na wow.

See the age difference between these two women wey dey go fight for the same man sef. Chai.