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millionboi2:Igbo communities in Liverpool (the established Igbo/black community in Liverpool is very-probably the oldest in Europe; Liverpool’s a special city in many ways), Manchester, London, Texas and Germany are all about that life when it’s time for yam-festival. It never used to be uniformly celebrated quite as much though. |
And for God’s sake it’s Igbo, not Ibo. |
Pakute:It’s part of the culture. It’s not about what Yoruba or Benue people are doing. |
RedboneSmith:You care enough to be in this thread making fairly detailed posts so let’s drop the attitude. |
D1official:Go away. |
RedboneSmith:So what you saying about Ikwerre? Dialect or distinct Igboid language? |
9jahotblog:You do or you don’t? |
9jahotblog:I give up. I need back-up to keep dealing with you. On my own I can’t be arsed no-more. |
007kjb:Could be ugu, could be egusi, could be ukpaka (castor/oil-bean whatever). Any of those can be used to do ogiri. |
9jahotblog:Okay, Bambara nuts can be classed as a variant of bean (just like chickpeas can) in some distant plane. Clap for yourself. Still doesn’t mean that okpa and mai-mai are the same. |
9jahotblog:I’m likening it to a rough English translation for your understanding but you’re still taking the piss. Moi-moi is made with beans/black-eyed beans and okpa/igba-Wawa is made with Bambara nut and that’s the end of it. They are not the same food. Fact. End. Next time stick to your familiar Yoruba lane if it’s all you know. And for the record I actually much prefer moi-moi to okpa (although I like both). |
9jahotblog:At this point I feel like you’re just trolling. And listen, if that’s how you get your jollies, crack open a bottle of gin and enjoy yourself. But don’t feign foolery. |
9jahotblog:No, they ain’t anything like the same. Moi-moi in Igbo is either called just that or mai-mai/elele. Okpa’s another type of food altogether. It’s kind of similar conceptually but it’s not interchangeable with moi-moi and, again, it’s not even all or the vast majority of Igbos who cook and eat it (it’s certainly not a staple anywhere in Imo or Abia State or even most of Anambra). Awka eats it more-or-less indigenously (where it’s often called igba; okpa in Awka also means peanuts/groundnuts) by chance because it has a certain affinity to certain clans in Enugu State and some foods (fio-fio/vbio-vbio, akidi, igba/okpa di oku) but that’s it. Okpa’s still different from moi-moi. Igbos get moi-moi and Wawa-lite Igbos get mai-mai/moi-moi and okpa. I don’t know what else to tell you but just know that they are not, not, not the same thing. |
9jahotblog:Moi-moi is steamed beans pudding. Okpa is steamed Bambara pudding. Okpa’s wrapped with banana leaves, whereas with moi-moi you have a choice of uma/elewe leaves, aluminium, et-cetera (people can improvise both with whatever wrapping agents they have at-hand). Some people use leaves (utazi, mostly) to add inside okpa but it’s generally not recommended to add lots of different ingredients besides salt, palm oil and maybe a bit of Maggi (Maggi/Knorr/whatever). No crayfish, no eggs (I hate boiled eggs myself but a lot of people like to add them to moi-moi and that puts me off it a bit, even if the moi-moi itself is still good/tasty enough to eat around), no nutmeg (certainly not nutmeg), no meat, no x-amount of lives in protein. No groundnut or vegetable oil. Moi-moi is a general Nigerian food that Igbos and Yorubas especially seem to enjoy preparing but okpa’s specific to Igbos and not just any Igbos. Enugu/Wawa (including Awka) ones only. At least traditionally. And variants of moi-moi can be made with plantain (ukpo-ogede) or corn (let’s just call it ukpo-oka), whereas this definitely isn’t the case with okpa. Edikang-ikong and afang soup, likewise, might look almost the same but they’re not. Urhobo and Edo might sound fairly similar but they’re different languages. Two different foods that aren’t trying to be anything like each-other. What part of all this exactly are you finding so hard to understand? |
Uyomiya:The rice/jollof rice thing depends. Anambra Igbo women in the diaspora (the U.K., America, etc.) cook excellent jollof rice, much better than how it is back in Nigeria. Older women from Awka are also very capable of cooking good jollof rice, wherever in the world they are (ditto for Onitsha to some extent). If you’re talking about Orumba North or Ihilia OAPs who have never left the village, fair enough, and in that respect Yoruba women of the same age do it much better, because party rice is more imprinted in their culture and passed onto younger ones from them. You might have a point there. But just know that there’s a difference between interior Anambra and international Anambra/Awka-Anambra when it comes to rice. Even abroad/international/Awka mai-mai is much better than how it is in most Anambra villages and again that’s a fundamental difference between Igbos and Yorubas. Old, locally insular Anambra women from anywhere are more likely to know how to cook moi-moi well than jollof rice but in those cases it’s still the somewhat younger ones (let’s just say under-65s at this point) who cook them for ceremonies and occasions. No 79-year-old iya-olopo equivalent, not in Nigeria/Anambra itself besides one or two outliers. Young local Anambra Igbos tend to cook much better jollof rice than the oldies whereas for Yoruba people it tends to be the opposite. |
9jahotblog:Listen, moi-moi (which Igbos and Yorubas kind of share, whoever gets it originally) is moi-moi and okpa is okpa. Two different dishes. Get that into your thick, silly head. |
9jahotblog:Yeah but moi-moi/mai-mai’s completely different and is very commonly eaten among the Igbo. I’m actually going to get annoyed if anyone else calls okpa the Igbo/042 version of moi-moi. Even people in the deepest interior of Nkanu and Enugu-Ezike eat mai-mai (in all its shades), whether they do okpa as well or not. They’re not interchangeable in the littlest bit besides the fact that they’re both steamed and best wrapped in leaves. |
Uyomiya:“Oha, onugbu and better egusi. They will cook it and know Igbo people.” |
9jahotblog:That’s absolute nonsense. Moi-moi (which Igbos also eat but are more likely to call mai-mai or more rarely elele) is completely different from okpa. |
SpartaOfLagos:Certainly not, to be fair. Ewedu is trash that only looks good to some people because it’s marketed as the bees-knees with amala/abula. In the whole of Yorubaland, only Osun, Ondo and Ekiti have soups that are even worth mentioning. The rest is utter nonsense and they know that deep down. They might never admit it but next to better egusi and akpu, nni oka and ogbono and ofe nsala, ewedu is nothing. I don’t know why Yoruba people outside a certain three states say they have soup. Love our SW bredren but every ethnic group has its own strengths. Soup is generally not such a strength for the typical Yoruba person. |
IDENNAA:Height has nothing to do with anything (it even predisposes to cardiovascular issues) and I’m a solid 5”10, so y’know. Not a giant but very far from short. Isi ewu was first discovered in Abia state (in the 1300s) as far as I know. Other than the fact that Anambra people (I’m from Anambra, by the way) are more likely to add ogiri to nkwobi and isi-ewu, there ain’t no difference between how Anambrians and other Igbos do the whole ngwo-ngwo thing. And Anambra men who know how to cook aren’t too shabby in the kitchen either. It’s not just women who cook well. |
Pecuman:And where do you come from? |
Legalise the stuff already. Alcohol is a much, much worse drug (yes: DRUG) on every level, whether people like to generally admit that or not. I say that as someone who’s a huge drinker who used to have a HUGE gin problem. |
Eeghe:Ambivert INFJ in the building with some coolered ukwa and jollof rice for the win. Come and chop. |
yarimo:Where’s your selfie? |
maureensylvia:Listen, this is awesome, love. Well done. |
Bubu4Sea:Lolz, yeah? |
Omanambala:Wasn’t isi ewu invented in Abia State? And is there really any difference between Anambra vs. other-Igbo ngwo-ngwo other than the fact that Anambrarians are more likely to add ogiri? |
I remember when I regularly attended Deeper they’d have to play Kumuyi at x 1.25 just because of how slowly he talks. He’s actually very well-spoken when he’s talking more spontaneously and I don’t find that his voice drags on too much in normal conversation but when he’s on the pulpit it does. It really does. |
DoubleeDee:That’s part of life and what makes humans and human diversity so interesting. |
DoubleeDee:Yup. Whereas dyspraxics are often the opposite and very good at everything to do with written words and languages but quite poor when it comes to gait co-ordination and navigating geometric puzzles and whatnot. The disparity isn’t always that great but for sure people with dyspraxia tend to have high verbal IQs but struggle with geometric performance at least in comparison to how good they often are at reading and spelling and stuff. |
RedboneSmith:I’m something of an educational psychology buff but I still wouldn’t have necessarily equated them. On the contrary some people with dyslexia actually do particularly well with shapes but I guess it can go either way. |
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