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Banderas:
Hey PTH,
Finally we are communicating. I believe in God. I do not call him the "christian God", because in my beliefs, he transcends and exceeds christianity, islam, judaism and any other religion. I am however very careful with the different "sacrifices" demanded from us - I believe there are the pillars of my belief - the 10 commandments. I also believe there are more advisory instructions, as different from commandments. I am also careful about statements like "lifestyle changes" - what lifestyle changes are we talking about?

i'm glad we can communicate now. I have a few observations though. You just confirmed my hunches, the innate desire of the soul of man to believe in the existence of a supreme being but a seeming reluctance to accept His control over our lives. We want to live with the believe of a God, reap the benefits we expect to get from Him and yet dont want Him to have anything to do with our lives.
How do you believe the 10 commandments are the pillars of your life when these commandments are the very basis of the spiritual covenant that the Christian God (whom you would rather have nothing to do with) established with the Isrealites more than 4000 yrs ago?

These 10 commandments are a part of the bible you claim is "limiting", these commandments are at the very core of Christ's teachings, these commandments are the very foundation of the christian faith and yet you just want to live by them and dump the rest?
The 10 commandments are not universal laws of man, they are the laws of a God you claim does not exist. My dear, you cant live life in a bubble.

Banderas:
I am of the opinion that religion has been used as a tool for control and oppression over the ages, and a lot of what is now filtering down to us is considerably different from the christianity that existed at the beginning of the ages (i.e. after the death of christ).

"a lot of what is now filtering down to us" includes the 10 commandments you are clinging so desperately to. Why do you think those did not change and every other thing changed? I have been a christian all my life and NEVER have i had the feeling that it is merely a tool of control and oppression. Yes it controls me to do that which is right and which when we ultimately view them without the prism of human desires are the best decisions of life.
When people talk of control - they are invariably talking of having to lose the freedoms to sin!

Banderas:
I also believe that a huge amount of scripture in the bible is more figurative and less literal, and so following the bible page to page is far from the way to go.

but the 10 commandments were just right for you to take hold on? The bible is as literal as it is figurative. It uses several examples to teach us how we as christians ought to live our lives in our present world. Every instruction from eating habbits, to the controversial issue of homosexuality is discussed there, you just have to prayerfully fiind them and have the holy spirit guide you.
You cannot understand the bible without a being transformed by salvation. Outside that, you will simply see it as a tool of oppression.

c'mon someone should spice things up and give Federer a thrashing for once! The guy has got no coach and he's won wimbledon and now this.  

if e get pikin, the nigerian factor don destroy am.

pdf abeg who is winning?

Banderas:
Hey PTH
No, you're wrong - I have no intention of disparaging the christian concept of God. Neither do I intend to disparage the islamic concept. I actually am much closer to the christian concept than any other. I however find the christian book and religion a bit too limiting for an omnipotent and merciful God. The islamic/muslim concept I really don't know about, so I can't speak very much about.

I find it strangely intriguing that a large percentage of those who qualify themselves as "freethinkers" or "atheists"almost always want to associate themselves with the christian concept of God. The problem is simple, the human conscience has been programmed to believe in a supreme being and no amount of denial can suppress it.
- everyone wants to associate himself with the christian concept of God WITHOUT having to go through the sacrifices that God demands from us as His children. Its like we all want to be a part of that God but don't want to make lifestyle changes. Which is why you think the biblical standards are limiting.
It is impossible to claim the christian God and pooh pooh his standards. There is no sitting on the fence.

I am yet to see any freethinker who wants to be a part of the islamic heaven. No one seems to bother much with the muslims but the very same people who tell you the christian God does not exist are prepared to denounce you anytime you tell them they wont be a part of the christian heaven (why they want to be a part of that heaven when they dont want to have anything to do with the "limiting" bible beats me).
And guess what weapon our dear freethinkers use each time you point out the hollowness of their position, thou shalt not judge - taken directly from the bible!

Banderas:
You still haven't told me where you stand - at the moment, your sole interest in our conversation - if I may call it that - has been to tear my theories/beliefs apart.

I believe in the christian God. I know He exists, i know He can be reached and talked to, I know His plans for me and i know at least one way that He speaks to me; through the bible.
That is my stand, funny enough you either don't have a stand of your own or u have chosen not to mention it. i'd be eager to hear your side.

denex:
@PTH

I'm just indicating where your argumentative prowess lies: religious crises. North/South, Israeli/Arab, USA/Iran, Muslim/Christian.

that's simply because they are the most volatile discussion points. Look around the world, the MAJOR volatile isues remain - islam, middle east/isreal!
I do post elsewhere but of course u only see when it comes to religion and north/south issues.

My point is simple - you dont have my respect because i see you as biased, how you missed nalfa's DIRECT threats and provocation beats me! Perhaps you expected me to keep quiet. It is this blatant political correctness that beats me hollow.

i've lost all hope in James Blake.

The black American guy is Donald Young, he's been around for a while now and doesnt look like he'll be better than a journeyman. I'd rather focus on the new black french fella Gaels Monfils.

in short dafman, he is oldschool. nothing we can do will remedy the situation. there must be an oldschool chic somewhere.

dude, its plain you dont have a point besides ur obviously overwhelming desire to disparage the christian concept of God.
No i did not expect you to proselytize me neither am i vaguely interested in doing same to you, my entire point was to expose your ignorance of the "god" you so loftily claim to know and believe he transcends all religions.

I withdraw the "silly" comment, accept my appologies.

Okay now that you clarify your point, i guess my first question would be who is this god you mention?

dafman:
The guy is trying to get encouragement on his face now you've added dressing to it haba

The next thread he will start is " does my style of dressing make me look too old"

he asked for help now he is getting it, we might as well ask him to take a lesson in how to pose for a photograph. That style went out of vogue in the 1960s.

I-man:
You forget to mention handkerchief! I just love seeing them have to re-interprete their religion in the face of contemporary attitudes,especially with regards to gender equality. Having just witnessed the famous "4:34 dance",I would like to see another dance performed with "2:223".

oh thanks for reminding me, i guess as men we have to till our land gently as with a handkerchief.

Banderas:
Exactly. The people who brought christianity and islam also enslaved our people, stole and still steal our resources. Why follow their religions? Their holy books have been re-written several times to support their races, and opress ours.


God can't be tied to a book, neither can he be tied to a religion.

Banderas:
PTH, I don't know. I believe he transcends all these religions. The different religions are only able to see a small aspect of him, and are unable to see the entirety of him.

You read ur own posts again and answer the following questions:
- if we agree with you that indeed your unknown god transcends all religions then who is this god? where is he? how can we get to him? where does he live? is he aware we exist? what are his plans for us? in what way does he influence our lives? what does he say about life after death?

that's a silly response Banderas. You are basically quiting because ur responses are merely tying u up in a knot. It is impossible to claim that someone YOU DO NOT KNOW transcends all religions.

If your basic premise is that there is no empirical evidence that the God of the various religions exist on what basis is your claim that indeed a God outside of the religions exists at all?

that's easy - women are an agricultural piece of land and men are supposed to approach them with hoes and cutlasses.

Banderas:
PTH, I don't know. I believe he transcends all these religions. The different religions are only able to see a small aspect of him, and are unable to see the entirety of him.

u dont know this god and yet you claim he transcends all religions, how do u know?

he'll get whipped soon.

Banderas:
Exactly. The people who brought christianity and islam also enslaved our people, stole and still steal our resources. Why follow their religions? Their holy books have been re-written several times to support their races, and opress ours.


God can't be tied to a book, neither can he be tied to a religion.

so where is he?

federer djokovic? no. the masters ended yesterday for me

BABEELOVE:
Are any of your sisters available PTH

for U1? naa, i havent got sisters. my cousins wont like U1 either.

denex:
@PTH

This is the kind of thing you cherish. I swear, there is no topic you cannot turn to Christianity vs Islam.

I was about to call Afam out on a wager that I could start a topic on Global Warming and you would spin it into an interreligious conflict.

You too much joo!

if not that you are a rumor mongering slobbering dunce you shld know who started all these in the first place.

so typical of biased nuisances to completely and conveniently ignore nalfa's direct, unwarranted and violent provocation and start shouting "pth" all over the place. you sure seem to be fixated on me its already wearing out its welcome.

poor you, your face does look old and your style of dressing from what i can see does need some help.
It doesnt matter, u're still good enough for at least one girl out of 6 billion humans on earth, take heart.

Reverend:
Just a shame that he does not exist

such a shame that u cant just stop blabbing about this. one wonders why you take such pains to ram it down our throats that god does not exist. If you know he doesnt why bother? I would think u'd live us alone to revel in our ignorance and delusion eh?

NALFA:
PTH u've lost your memory! You were da Guys that mentioned Islam and da Northern Nigeria. Why say we shouldnt talk about christianity. If u guys r true xtians, u wudn't say anytin like that about others. Abt pastors not swearing 2 celibacy, i don't give any damn about the nomenclature: pastors, or pastoress or Businessmen or what ever ya care to call 'em. If u know xtianity u won't say your God is a consuming fire. Get da Real Bible n read not da plagiarised texts your Pastors Broadcast to 2 mek money. If u need a copy i wil give you one.

hmmm dont worry i've got 2 copies of the real bible, which one have u got? the one allah claimed to have sent down and confirmed?

NALFA:
Allah will surely visit you with His Wrath,i promise you this. Cause you declared war with Him and Doom is your recompense 4 this. You will tell your story to the whole world. Carry on with your campaign of self destruction.

Isaiah 59:19 . . .When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

Deuteronomy 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways

Psalm 91: 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
  5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
  6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
  7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
  8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
  9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
  10 There shall no evil befall me, neither shall any plague come nigh my dwelling.
  11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
  12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
  13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

So dear nalfa, you and your allah can continue foaming in the mouth. Normal and "peaceful" individuals refute arguments based on facts and not by hiding under the umbrella of intolerance, hate and violence.

Paw-Paw:
Because you won a visa lottery big deal. Did you bother reading the first page? Its the same old story is it?

the tired old reaching false conclusions in ignorance. Did i tell u i won a visa lottery?

Simply answer the question or pass it over. thank you. In case you want a visa pls visit the nearest US embassy.

simple question - how many of the so-called "i cant leave Nigeria to "pack sh*t" individuals woould turn down the US visa lottery if they won?

what's a pie?
got YIM? there's a hug smilie there.

constant chewing helps ur eyes pop and reduce pressure.

NALFA:
ACCORDING TO YOUR POST, ISLAM'S DAYS ARE NUMBERED.

no one says so, that is another brilliant propaganda to keep you all perpetually in a state of victimhood.

NALFA:
INDEED, THEY ARE NUMBERED AND YOUR  EMPTY SKULL DOESN'T KNOW IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION ON EARTH-EVEN IN YOUR WESTERN LOVED NATIONS.

thanks to the "miracle" of immigration, polygamy and a high rate of procreation coupled with the western concept of birth control.

NALFA:
NO WONDER YOUR PASTORS AND REVERENDS WHO HAVE SWORN TO CELIBACY ARE RAPING UP INNOCENT WOMEN UNDER THE GUISE OF HOLY,HOLY,,

1. pastors are not sworn to celibacy
2. you have simply regurgitated the tired old propaganda that we have been hearing from just about everyone for the last few yrs. are your imams any better with their marrying of 6 yr olds?

NALFA:
.  LET ME GET ANGRY A BIT! DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ANYBODY THE FACT THAT A GROUP WORSHIPS BY FIRE?

lol our God is a consuming fire. Does it make sense that the most violent people in the world also claim to be the most peaceful?

rikkyjen:
On the contrary, reading came for just 1 point. If they were offered the 3points, they would have simply rejected it, because all they want is one point and nothing more!!!

This is what Jose calls parking the bus in front of the goal. Reading did this and theywere perfect. For some time now, have not seen a team playlike reading did today!!!!

would u blame them? I'd pack a train infront of the goal if possible.

take a pack of chewing gums on ur next flight. chewing helps a lot.

BABEELOVE:
I can sleep well now!!!! Enjoy!!!! Off for Sunday Brunch!!!!

have fun baby (awww now i have a nickname for u isnt that lovely).