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I've always been impressed by the Yoruba culture and traditions. But overall, the whole history and African culture. (I hope not to arouse ethnic rivalries) |
Bikaly: d way u c it dat is d way God explain's it,take it like dat.Actually, this is a male chauvinist religion, which humiliates women of all possible ways. But that's logical. To wit: Christianity derived from Catholicism, and Catholicism in turn derives from Judaism. In Judaism, a woman can not learn the Torah ... and can not enter a synagogue in the same space as men ... should be separate. Jewish women can not learn Torah, it is considered that the woman is an inferior being, and that culture and religious teachings, are unique to the master, ie the man. With this result, Catholicism and Christianity could not be different. |
okeyxyz: beautiful illustration.Thank you very much dear friend! |
Who undoubtedly will go to hell, is the spastor who collects tithes. The Bible clearly says. Should not be charged (and therefore not pay) tithe. Read Malachi 3 onwards. |
tintingz: is that what USA means pls read history :-/I will die laughing. Now, please, leave that computer!
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buzugee: .Simply copy and paste one of your folders. If you search google, do it for images, looking like "Gif" A hug! |
bezimo: The sound is that of piercing screams of thousands of people.Thousands of people ?Do not are souls? Just as "thousands of people" after thousands of years old? So few souls in hell? Mhhhh believe me, this is heaven ... is not hell. The cries are due to the lack of alcohol, sex, fun ... the souls in paradise usually complain about how bad that God plays the harp ... and so wailing cry. |
[size=18pt] Yes it's true. News later confirmed that in fact it was paradise. [/size] |
Hello my admirable friend! 1. I admire his ability to write almost a book, without saying anything. 2. Thousands of years fighting against Satan and the Christian God can not destroy. Or Satan is very strong, or that god is a wimp. |
buzugee: i dont bow down to no crosses. thats your sister religion. the catholic church. they like their crosses. there is a fella around here called logicboy. he bowed down to crosses for 22 yearsTintingz is professor of geography ... I guess he knows where is Jerusalem, but do not know where USA Ja ja ja ja! . tintingz: why is it call UNITED STATE OF AMERICA? USA is dominated with european, asian, african, caribean etc, infact USA is america even the osama saga makes more non-muslim convert to Islam(CNN, BBC, GUINESS BOOK OF RECORD) they started getting copies of Quran, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world people convert everyday i will soon open thread for that or post it here.https://www.nairaland.com/987531/fastest-growing-religion-america-islam/2
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tintingz: ok USA is AfricaBack to school children. You still have time to learn geography. You are generating laughter in the forum, and that's not right.
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amosy007: very ignorant post... America didnot become united becoz all those races u posted dominated america even before the and during the slave trade america has being united... All states (like texas, florida, new mexico etc) in d america are country before they all signed treaty to become one and they fought british empire to gain independence... Sir washington Dc led the which he later became the first ever president of usa ... So try and do more research b4 u post ignorance on public forum ![]() |
tidytim: The Fire kindled by God will burn the skin of the people of Hell. The skin is the largest organ of the body and the site of sensation where the pain of burning is felt. God will replace the burnt skin with a new one to be burnt again, and this will keep on repeating:There are many similarities between Islam and Catholicism. Perhaps the biggest similarity is that both religions were imposed by the African slave, by force. Also, both have in common that have nothing to do with Africa or with their traditions, or the idiosyncrasies of the African. Both religions have in common, which were imposed on Africa as a more of colonialism, underdevelopment and dependence. My respects. |
Hello my dear friend: I would like to give a humble opinion. First, to emphasize that not all religions studied by English missionaries, and defined as "polytheists" are actually that: polytheists. Many of the studies conducted by the English missionaries are riddled with errors and influenced by their own beliefs. I understand that the question raised has three important aspects: 1. Equal rights for men and women. 2. Discrimination between men and women. 3. Equal male-female roles Develop. 1. Equality of rights between men and women should be, and indeed is referred to in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 2. Not justify any discrimination for sexual purposes. I think we all agree that racial discrimination should be punished. There is no difference between racial and sexual discrimination. 3. Here we reach a point of contention. First we have accepted that men and women should have equal rights, and not for discrimination. Now In social life, we understand that the woman of the house is the one who cut the trees to feed the fire, while the husband kitchen. That's part of the structure or organization of the family. The problem occurs when we are talking about religious functions, in which certain grounds (for reasons of religious weight) did not allow a woman (or man) perform a task. In traditional religion, there are tasks of great importance, which can only be done by women, and in turn, tasks can be performed only by men. But that does not enter the field of discrimination, but is explained by the essence of each sex and its relationship to the task. In fact, both a man and a woman can access the highest office. We are not talking here of denying something to the woman or man as a discriminatory act, but certain tasks must be performed by persons of either sex. A clear example occurred with the cult of IFA. Traditionally, the figure of Babalawo was male. That did not involve any discrimination for women, as there were groundless reasons why a woman could not access the oracle. Instead, it was a unique feature for women of Apetebi, no man could hold office (discrimination? ... Not at all). Eventually, bowing to pressure from the UN, Professor Walde Abimbola gave , declaring valid the charge of Iyaonifà. A political decision and calculating in terms of economic gains (in short, a shame). In any case, I insist that we must differentiate between "discrimination" and "diversity" of tasks. Not the same one from the other. I hope I explained correctly. Best wishes! |
buzugee: its called DIVIDE AND CONQUER. the roman empire thrive on that. divide and conquer the world. the ways to divide and conquer back then was through religion. division brings about confusion as opposed to coalition. the ishmaelites ( arabs ) were a huge threatening force to the romans back then and they needed a way to keep them divided from the romans and the israelites ( if all 3 factions get together, that will be trouble for the roman elites who were in control of the world back then )and this new religion will also keep people away from the price-THE REAL GOD. so what they did is hire a few arabs and a black man named bilal and they had them write up the koran from the bible. ( basically a copy job with a few alterations ). and islam has grown in leaps and bounds ever since. and some people are taking it very serious, killing each other and whatnot over a made up roman catholic product.Hola querido amigo! An interesting story. It is very similar to what happened with Constantine, when he invented Catholicism and the trilogy ... Thus Constantine managed to control his crumbling empire, the cost of giving powers and structure to a minority religion derived from Judaism. It is not the only case in which invents a religion for political reasons. Subsequently, from Catholicism, born Pentecostals. Pentecostals used the Jewish-Catholic Bible, but lack a common liturgical structure. Many of their ceremonies using elements derived from the magic and witchcraft. Effectively, "divide and rule". |
I think we all agree that these articles about "beauty of women ..." do not add anything. Personally, I joined the forum looking for exchanging information on traditions and culture of Africa. But I have observed that very few items that appear on these issues, and when someone writes about culture, the issue drift tribal rivalries, or very few respondents. We then have two problems: 1. Published articles that are not cultural 2. It seems that the cultural items not necessary to awaken interest. I have no answer to solve these two problems ... but I feel somewhat disappointed. We all want a better culture section, but: We are all ready to write? we are all willing to provide opinions on cultural issues? If everyone is willing to do, because then if I think my friend Odumchi will have a job rather more simple ... But if all demand more cultural issues, and then leave the empty thread ... it's better to leave everything as is. I hope my bad English allows them to understand. I send warm greetings to all, I am very happy to be with you. |
okeyxyz: @purist, I don't believe i'd ever read any of your posts, but i must say i'm impressed by your critical thinking in your questions to @InesQor:What you say is correct. This is exactly what I tried exlicar so far. But it seems that cultural penetration, do understand that a woman can claim to be Christian but go to church in her underwear. Is to apply a little common sense. |
tintingz: why is it call UNITED STATE OF AMERICA? USA is dominated with european, asian, african, caribean etc, infact USA is america even the osama saga makes more non-muslim convert to Islam(CNN, BBC, GUINESS BOOK OF RECORD) they started getting copies of Quran, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world people convert everyday i will soon open thread for that or post it here.Dear friend. I do not want to hurt their susceptibility. I have nothing against the Koran. Simply said it is a reality in this part of the world. The name "United States of America" is because they are states of North America that are under the same law and flag. There are also the United States of Brazil. But America is composed of three continents. United States of America is not America all (thankfully) Here in America there are people who do not kill, do not invent wars, which are not imperialists. USA is not America. My respects. |
That may happen in the USA. But USA is not America. In the rest of the Americas, Islam is not known, does not exist. Islam is named only when we remember the demolition of the twin towers and Bin Laden. |
Deep Sight: @ All posts - - - >"physical throne" ja ja ja ja! "It's 3 in 1" Olaa drawings ... Frosbel questions ... Please ... I can not laugh so much more ... For pity's sake ... my tummy hurts me laugh so much ... I swear that I will become a Christian, but not torture me more! I will laugh so much suffocated! |
InesQor: I see you have stiffly made up your mind, so I see no reason to continue this conversation.Your position is very elastic ... so elastic that goes against the scriptures and fully meets Satan. Being a Christian means respecting the law. Whoever does not respect them is not a Christian is at war with God, and the hand of Satan. I see in you a man submissive, possibly be dominated by your wife and your ocupes the female role at home. Is not that what they send us the Holy Scriptures. That is a perversion inspired by Satan. Read what I wrote, read the Bible. Leave the fallen angel! |
Women should choose their clothes wisely and in harmony with the directives of the Holy Scriptures. For example, Paul writes, "that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety" (1 Tim. 2:9). This means that you should not wear tight clothing, sexy, or transparent. Do not expose your body to others, because the clothes are made to hide not to reveal. What about the shorts, short dresses, sleeveless tops, bathing suits, very low-cut necks, and clothing of this type are designed? Are they to reveal or to cover the woman's body? In the beginning, God created "male and female" (Genesis 1:27) and He wants men and women are shown as men and women! God said in His law "Women do not wear men's clothing, nor shall a man put women's clothing, for whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 22:5). This is not only the Old Testament, but also applies to the New Testament, Christ, God wants a precise distinction of gender. We must also consider the use of a veil to cover her head that is related to female submission that Paul discusses in 1 Corinthians 11: 2-16. Paul also said "it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn" (v. 6). |
On the veil: THE CUSTOM OF THE VEIL FOR PRAYER According to the pictorial representations, women at the time of Yeshua, not covered their faces with cloth and Muslim today. The custom of using a dark cloth hanging from his head and hung loosely over the breast, where only the eyes and forehead are uncovered, it is not Muslim and Jewish origin but has never been accepted by the Hebrews. The veil worn by women messianic (Nazarene) in biblical times was lighter. Paul in 1 Cor. 11: 4-16 is arguing with the Corinthians on the principle of decency and decorum religious point of view of the peculiar customs of our Jewish culture. The willingness to accept this custom was a honorable privilege stating that a woman had a place of respect in the community because they "belonged" to someone, and was entitled to ask for support or protection of those under whose "authority" lived. It was a sign that they were married, and as a show of modesty. On the other hand, the short hair on a woman was sometimes a sign of bad reputation of being a slave or lower class. Women did not appear in public with uncovered head, because that would have been considered a disgrace for a woman and her husband to be presented publicly without a veil, especially when participating in prayer. A woman from Corinth to take part in public services of the congregation with their heads uncovered, could be considered as if it had been placed on the same level of a vile woman, perhaps immodest. The fact that a woman of Corinth took part in the public services of the congregation with their heads uncovered, it would seem, that shameless and behaved unbecomingly for not wearing the ornaments of decency and modesty (ver. 1 Tim. 2 : 9). It seems that Paul reasoned that the woman to remove veil recognized emblem of her sex and position, showed a lack of respect for the husband, father, female sex in general, and the Messiah. We see in Numbers 5:18 that the woman suspected of infidelity he removed the veil. In Greece the prostitutes went unveiled, and adulterous slaves had their hair cut. The Almighty has established symbols that have deep spiritual meaning, among them are: immersion in water, the Messiah's Supper, the washing and veil. Are these teachings are not outdated? Regarding the veil and other teachings, Paul wrote "to the assembly of Yahweh which is at Corinth, to those sanctified in Messiah Yeshua, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of our Master Yahshua the Messiah, Master theirs and ours. " (1 Corinthians 1.2) "If anyone thinks himself a prophet or spiritual, recognize that what I write are the commandments of the Master" (1 Corinthians 14.37) There are two positions, the first that the veil was a custom in the first century Messianic Assembly and the second that these customs include believers in every age and every culture. Some sincerely believe in the Messiah being that we have freedom, women are free to wear a veil or not, however, recognizing its spiritual significance, supported by Shaul (Paul) we see that is a beautiful symbol worthy of being used. Apparel for women 1Sean imitators of me, and I am the Messiah. 2The praise you, brethren, because all they remember me and retain the instructions as they are delivered. 3 But I want you to know that the Messiah is the head of every man, and the man (is) the head of the wife, and Elohim is the head of the Messiah. 4All man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, because it is the same as if he had shaved. 6 If the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn, and if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 The man ought not to cover his head [2], for he is the image and glory of Elohim, but the woman is the glory of man, 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 and neither was man created by because of the woman, but woman for man. 10For as the woman ought to have power over your head [referring to the veil], because of the messengers. 11 But the Master, nor the man without the woman nor the woman without the man, 12For as well as woman came from man, the man born of woman, but everything comes from Elohim. 13Juzguen yourself: Is it proper for a woman to pray to Elohim with her head uncovered? 14 The very nature are not taught that the man is a shame you have long hair? 15Por the contrary, women have long hair, he is honorable, because by way of veil is given the hair. 16Con all, if anyone wants to discuss, know that neither we nor Elohim congregations have the custom [of discussion]. 1 Corinthians 11.1-16 Some argue that the hair is the veil from this passage. If the veil is synonymous with hair as some teach, then replace the word hair in verses 4 and 6 and in all places where the word veil. 4All man who prays or prophesies with her head hair dishonors his head. 6 If the woman has no hair, that hair cut off, and if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her put her hair. Ridiculous ¿right? So this interpretation is wrong. EXPLANATION Verse 4 shows that if a woman has long hair and is not covered is the same as having short hair. Verse 15 "... because instead of veil is given the hair. " It does not say not to use the veil, is speaking exclusively of long hair for women and not men, says that women veil grows a natural (hair), which is similar (ie, long) as the veil for prayer. It is a comparison and a man with hair all over his body, arguably it is given as clothing or shelter, but does not mean that I walk down the street naked. Verse 16 answers the question of verse 13 (the natural veil is a symbol of the spiritual veil, besides the natural veil must use another veil as a spiritual symbol. The veil as a sign of spiritual protection and power in prayer. Long hair is an important physical difference between men and women and the veil is a sign between them and Yahweh. Spiritually we are equal "there is neither male nor female" (Galatians 3.28), however, functionally, physically we are different. 10But Elohim hath revealed them unto us by his spirit, for the spirit searches everything, even the depths of Elohim, 11 For who among men knows the things of man except the spirit of man which is in him? Similarly, no one knows the things of Elohim, but the spirit of Elohim. 12 And we have not received the spirit of the world but the spirit that comes from Elohim, so we know what Elohim has given us. 13De these things speak, not in words taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of Elohim, because they are foolishness to him, and neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 In contrast, the spiritual judges all things, without which he is judged by no one. 16 Who has known the mind of the Master? Who will instruct? Well, we have the mind of the Messiah. (1 Corinthians 10.2 -16) WHEN TO USE VEIL? Some understand that at all times of prayer, being 5.17 to 1 Thessalonians exhorts us to pray without ceasing, she always uses prayer veil. Furthermore, verse 10 says that is a sign of authority because the messengers, do we have here only angels in prayer? But others understand that they must wear the veil only at the time of prayer in the public service. This is the most common position in the Assemblies. What does the veil should I use? Since it is a signal must be equal to that used in the Gentile world (as a simple scarf), a sign is something that stands out. Biblical principles also teach us that women should dress modestly, avoiding necklines that insinuate their breasts, as this would throw on the floor wearing the veil and, moreover, would be an affront to the congregation or place of prayer. It may be that many do not practice it for lack of education or understanding, however, who deny and deny these clear teachings of Scripture itself the judge. (2 Thessalonians 2.15; 3.6) While the Scriptures speak little of the garments of women, it is known that both ketonet kutónet as clothing were common to both sexes (Gen. 37:3, 2 Sam 13:18; etc.). The "layer" for she was the Nimláh; Overall, the female dress was called simláh 'Aa'ishah (Deut. 22:5). In 7:1 Qty assumes the existence of special women's shoes for dance. Some used and / or had-sometimes as an ornament, a "mirror" (Heb. guilyoním), and also were "touched" (Heb. tsenifót, "turbans" Isaiah 3:22). This headdress was sometimes only a veil or headscarf. In Isa. 3:18 refers to "nets" (Heb. Shabis) for the head. Therefore the use of the veil as a garment for the Hebrew women was unknown unless it was used as a luxurious garment (Heb. Tsammáh) as we are told Solomon 4:1 |
InesQor: No it's not out of context.Removed from its context Scriptures is sin. You are an offender, a violator of the Christian laws. His work is satanic. Read Paul, he refers to the specific case of the role of women in the church. God forgive him! |
InesQor: Okay, Ptolomeus.That is easy. "We disagree". You claim to be Christian, but do not follow Christian laws. That if we both agree. Jesus did not accept having a woman disciple ... the apostles were men ... His discourse of equality is beautiful, but it is a challenge to the law of Christ. God made man and woman different, complementary. Known today, including women pastors ... heresy ... The churches of Christ are falling into the hands of Satan, because of people like you. God enlighten you. |
InesQor: Okay what aboutThat's out of context. You are not Greek or Jewish, for that matter that you treat a woman. Meet its standards. Not rebel against the Christian law. Christianity is so, if you do not like that ... they find another way. And read my previous comment ... I do not need to expose what he ordered Paul? Read the Bible, instead of rebelling unfounded. Paul says clearly that you and all women should serve men and be humble and submissive. You accept the Christian law or not? |
Purist: Hi InesQor,Paul was just the most recalcitrant divider between men and women in the churches. Paul favored: . That women cover themselves with veils to orar.Pablo Cor. 11.4.16 . A woman could not appear in public with uncovered head. . For Paul, the veil on women is a symbol of respect for her husband and the Messiah . Any woman who prays with her head uncovered dishonors her head (5) . The male should not cover his head because he is the glory of Elohim, but the woman if you must, it is the glory of man ... (3) We could go on ... Paul was just the biggest machista Christianity. I advise you to read the Bible, and not rebel against Christian laws. Women should be submissive, because that is the law of God. |
InesQor: In the 1970s in the U.S, girls were not allowed to play full-court basketball, they could only play half-court because people believed they were too "delicate" to play full-court. They ridiculously felt women don't have the stamina and endurance to play full-court basketball.Mhhhh Possibly from the social standpoint, I agree with you. But you define as a Christian, and as such you should respect the rules of their church. I agree with you, in which men and women should have equal rights, but that's not what Christianity professes. As a Christian, you should be respectful of the liturgy and Christian traditions. |
Antivirus92: ur english is really terrible.if an englishman is to read this ur post,he will simply think that you just wrote in ur local languageYes it's true. I do not speak English, I am Uruguayan and I speak Spanish, French, Italian, Catalan, Portuguese and Galician, but my English is really bad. I use a translator to read and write. I have no interest in talking to an Englishman. My intention is to share knowledge with my fellow Africans. My apologies and greetings. |
igbo2011: It doesn't matter what the langauge is, OI rather speak an African language in Nigeria than a European one. I don't care if English is the international business language, people can learn it on their spare time but we must have our langauge first.This is the opinion of a foreigner, so I hope not to offend anyone. My opinion is not charged of tribal rivalry, or historical resentments. I understand that the invaders imposed their culture, traditions and language. Very cleverly, they were removing all vestige of African culture, traditions, and of course, language. When you say "African inferiority," I associate that with certain inferiority complex developed by the African to European. It seems that the best African culture is a symbol of late, and that even the British are admired waste!. Africa suffers a crisis of identity ... for the sake of your children and grandchildren struggle to regain its essence, its roots! and possibly every African language is the best example of what each one of you is and represents. It's just a humble opinion. My respects. |
SmoothCrim: Good then, all the threads should be deletedWell, we are just reviewing. I do not think it takes to throw a bomb here, or delete all the threads. It is true that many are attracted much more to fight for religious subjects, or look at pretty girls, but others prefer to cultural issues. Perhaps we are wrong, and, as Hitler said, "when I hear the word culture drew his revolver" is the solution. To each his own subject. Be happy. |
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