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@PhysicsQED

Dear friend.
I want to thank you especially for your dedication and seriousness.
The real reason of the forum is just that, share knowledge, be mutually enriched.

I do not speak English, so I'll have to translate and read very carefully your wonderful article. Also read the links.

But in the first instance, I gather that comes from the east, and founded . Later, Oduduwa he moved to Igbo (Ugbo-), where they the yoruba finally settle the Yoruba of Ilé Ifé. There is thus no evidence of any war Ugbo- Yoruba, but on the contrary, it is the same ethnic group.
This makes me think about the following:
If the Yoruba of Ilé Ifé worship Orisa , and is they who are set to Ugbo-, why not Ugbo- continued worship Orisa worship and instead, takes a completely different religion.
Finally, as I would ask you: the original cult Obatala was Ugbo-?

I deeply appreciate your kind attention.
You can count on me for anything you deem necessary.
A friendly hug!
Your friend of Uruguay:

Ptolomeus

buzugee: you are being myopic about the whole thing.

It's possible.
But I want someone to deny me only one of these points. ONLY ONE!.
1. Africa is the continent With The Highest infant death
2. Africa is the continent With The largest number of AIDS infected
3. The Least Developed Africa is economically.
4. Africa is the continent With The Highest rate of malnutrition.
5. Africa is the continent worst With The Health Conditions in the world.
(I prefer to leave this comment here, and I do not want to continue)
I await the response of a Christian or an Islamist.

When we speak of "strong gods", and "mighty gods," I wonder how much power have been Jesus and Allah in Africa.

amor4ce: 1)how is it that almost all the names in Western Biblical versions of the New Testament are different from those in the Old Testament?
2)how is it that the names in the Peshitta Bible versions are different from Roman/Vatican/English/Western versions?
3)how is it that the symbol of the cross (cross of Tammuz) was not used by Israel, was never recorded in the Scriptures, is strange to Jacob's true descendants, while Constantine propagated it?
4)how is it that the true Israelites are blacks but the Christians have been led to believe that they have Amorite features?
5)what happened to all the blacks of the Levant including the Aegean/Egun people of Philistine, the Edomites/Edo of Idumea/Idu, the Jebusites/Jebus, and the people of Judah/Judaea/Whydah/Ida/Ouidah during the period of the Roman persecution [First (66-73 CE), Second (115-117 CE) and Third (132-135 CE) [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars]Jewish-Roman wars[/url] and the Samaritan Revolts of (484-572 CE), destruction of the second Temple in 70 CE] if not that the Greco-Romans massacred them?
6)which spirit do Christians call on when the Redeemer has mentioned clearly that He will gather back his scattered sheep and fill them with His Spirit?
7)why apparitions/visions, from Caucasians, of heaven, hell, Mary and the likes, are racist in that blacks and indigenous Negro names are not featured? (don’t blacks also go to heaven?). No wonder TuPac sang ‘I wonder if heaven got a ghetto’ – note that the posthumous producers of the video heavily added Zeus/Christian/deceptive elements to it.
8 )how is it that Christians accepted the lie that Abraham and his descendants are white?
9)how is it that the spirits they hear from either during prophecy, prayer and otherwise have not told them, especially those who call themselves born again, what the Redeemer’s true name is (John 18:37)?
10)how is it that the spirits they hear from either during prophecy, prayer and otherwise have not taught them, especially those who call themselves born again, to properly understand the Bible (John 12:40)?
11)since there are so many Christian denominations with so many interpretations of the Bible, can there be more than one Holy Spirit?
12)what happened to the Israelite tribe of Dan in Revelations 7:4-8?

[url=http://yemitom./2012/07/15/e%e1%b9%a3u-is-the-true-name-of-the-rock-of-ages/]Èṣú is the true name of the Rock of Ages[/url]

olaa:
As you can see, this is another irrevocable proof that Obama is Christian.
Do not be so stubborn and acknowledge it ...
I confess a personal ...
I got to know Obama, before becoming President.
In fact, he and I visited familiarly, and even shared dinner several times.
I can attest to the Bible, that Obama is Christian!

amor4ce: What is the meaning of Iye?

What is the meaning of Iye Aṣẹ Iye?

Dear friend.
I go back to clarify that I do not speak Yoruba, but try to help.
Iye: it could be price, cost, value.
Asé: It could be translated as vital energy
I hope some Yoruba brother corrected me.

amor4ce: What does the È sound in Èṣú mean/stand for?

Dear friend:
I do not speak Yoruba, my support is based on having heard the word many times.
Eshu is accentuated in the last letter (u), and as far as I know, means "sphere", besides referring to the deity communicator (Aiye-Orun) of that name.
The pronunciation would be "Eshú"

buzugee: now those religions you mentioned, eledumare, ifa, sango, obatala, oya, mamiwata, baal, molech etc etc ? they are strong delusions created to shunt an otherwise godly people into because they are spiritually dead. they need to get their spiritual fix because black people ( israelites ) are naturally godly people. how to get your spiritual fix when the lord has put you in spiritual darkness ? the lord makes you create your own delusions.

Dear friend Buzugee.
You know that I appreciate.
You have every right to speak, and as I have every right to respond.
In Africa, there are only two religions that have been dipped in the delay to the Continent. These religions are Islam and Christianity.
After centuries of having cutro "civilized" Africa, these foreign religions have brought to Africa the following:
1. Africa is the continent with the highest infant death
2. Africa is the continent with the largest number of AIDS infected
3. Africa is the least developed economically.
4. Africa is the continent with the highest rate of malnutrition.
5. Africa is the continent with the worst health conditions in the world.
(I prefer to leave this comment here, and I do not want to continue)
The slave chained to the Africans, they placed their gods, and now, centuries later, Africa is still a slave to what the colonizers imposed.
I guess some, people will be grateful to Allah and Jesus for "civilized" Africa (irony), and the high degree of development that these gods have allowed.
Do not be offended.
You have a say, I have the right to respond.
A hug!

Dear friend Pleep:
I am a Uruguayan researcher. In a book of Pierre "Fatumbi" Verger, citing that the cult of Obatala had their origin in Igbo. It is also stated in that book, that Oduduwa, after the founding of Ile Ife, have begun a war against the Igbo and Obatala.
Some companions of the forum, have been illustrated about that Ife was never at war with the Igbo, that the worship of Obatala ever took place in Igbo territory ...
My question is this:
1. In what kingdom or town originated exactly the worship of Obatala
2. There are historical background of a war between that kingdom led by Obatala and Ifé?
I await your kind response, and of course thank you for your attention.

Sorry for interrupting you.
But as a foreigner, I am following the discussion with great interest, but with the distance who is not involved in the issue.
I hope I can explain.
Before colonialism, each tribe (or ethnic group) took his physical place (kingdom, nation, territory). After colonialism, (and particularly after the agreement of Berlin, 1885) there were significant changes.
For example, a group that lived a territory became part of four (or more) different countries, along with other ethnic groups.
The questions are as follows: s
1. I am Igbo or I am Nigerian ?
2. In some area, could be a high concentration of Igbos (but of course also other ethnic groups) and ended up imposing Igbo traditions, but that does not mean that ALL residents of the area are actually descendants of Igbo.
3. Also the phenomenon of repatriation of the descendants of slaves (although to a lesser extent) plays a role in some areas.
My comment refers to the task being undertaken is extremely complex, and also has very fine details, making it even more difficult to reach a conclusion.
It's just an opinion, someone who observes this topic from a perspective very fair, and with great interest.
Am I correct?
However, it is very brave and interesting research being done.
I have great respect for all of you dear friends!

OLAADEGBU: I might get knocked down but not out, I'm a fighter and I will be back.

No, no, no! Dear friend! You have not understood my post. I never fight with you, you are a great friend! I can I talk to you, but never fight with you. Violence is not good. Only zealots fight. Ideas can not be killed. The photo depicting Obama beating the messengers of Satan, who disguised as sheep, promote violence, bigotry, and religious wars.
Is worth my clarification to a friend?
A sincere hug, Olaa!

Obalufon: Akan people are from Mali. Ewe are from Ketu in Benin republic we are sprang from one source ,we have tradition and culture linking us together IFA/AFA.
History Yoruba is very old and not easy to unravel, there have been series of immigration and emigration in the area for so long all tribe around Yoruba region have history linking them to Yoruba.
TO US OMO ODUA ILE-IFE IS THE CRADLE OF ALL LIFE. WE CELEBRATE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD EVERY YEAR ITAPA FESTIVAL.

ILE – IFE , the cradle of Yoruba, the city of the survivors, spiritual seat of the Yoruba, where the dawn of the day was first experienced, the source, the head of the whole universe; the land of the most ancient days, the home of divinities and to the people of Ife “ILURUN” i.e. Gateway to heaven.

Beautiful post! My sincere congratulations! I continue to issue carefully. It is unfortunate that the cultural threads, often be distorted by tribal differences. Best wishes!

My intention is not to start a discussion, much less even, with broyhers who I appreciate sincerely. My humble speech, trying to relate the theme of death, with cultural traditions. I believe that in the various African cultures, death has a profound cultural meaning. In fact, traditional ceremonies ritulaes are complex and extensive compared with the Occidentals
In African traditions, there are various deities responsibles for complying with the process of "recycling" of matter. Such is the example of Orisa
Somponnó (Shapaná, Xapaná, Omolu) and many others.
My comment, simply pointed to remember that aspect.
For the rest, all deserve respect reviews posted, and I have not authority, nor do I have no will, to judge other opinions.
My warm greetings to all!

Africaman: I don't think I know 'hehe'. If you meant 'Gege', in modern Yoruba it is a slang term for 'guy'. I don't know of it's precolonial meaning.

'Nago' is just the short form of 'Anago', so they are the same thing. It's like somenody named 'Carlos' and you call them 'Carl' for short. You have that type of shortening in English as well.

Dear friend Africaman:
Thank you very much for your clear answer!.
You are always very friendly.
I am very grateful to you for your good will.
You may count on my unconditional friendship, always.
A afetuoso greeting!

Africaman: Ketu was attacked many times by Dahomey, but ti was always rebuilt. Here is a link to the Ketu town, commune and arindissement in Benin republic on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9tou,_Benin and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketu_(Benin)

Odabo

Mó jubá, dear friend:
Thanks for your input. It is very valuable!
I specifically cited the city of Ketu, because the Yoruba were the last African to arrive América, and that is what this thread.
Here (in these latitudes) mentions that the first wave of slaves would have been Angola, the last Yoruba. The slaves from Benin, were brought (in time) as a result of struggles with the Yoruba (Oyo).
My friend, I live thousands of kilometers from Nigeria. My interventions are based on studies that may have errors ... My only intention is to contribute what little I know. I love African history, but rather intend to teach but to learn.
In Brazil, says that the destruction of Ketu was so great that many religious traditions and cuturales newly recovered with the return of the descendants of slaves (ie information, this is not a pesonal opinion).
I thank you for your kindness and your greetings in Yoruba!
I'm at your service dear friend!
Mó dupé!
Sé alàáfia!

Hahahaha!
Right. Judaism is a vengeful god, asking sacrifices of virgins, children, animals ... Judaism is a god who did not hesitate to kill nearly all of his creation in the flood, in an act of anger.
In Judaism Orthodox groups still exist today, that human sacrifice.
In a religion like that, nothing good could not be born.
But let me respectfully disagree with something you said:
Not born TWO religions to Judaism. A SECT born of Judaism, which is the Catholic sect. Then, from the Catholic sect, was born another sect, the sect Pentecostal.
Pentecostal sect latter has many sub-sects, which we could not name them all here.
I send warm greetings!

DANILSA: 1] How Can A Person Know Which Religion Is Right?

Very simple.
If someone wants to charge you tithe, you already know that in that church are all phonies.
Aleluiah!

lilcutie8916: all things have become new.

No. Not everything is made ​​new.
If your past has been somewhat lecherous broken ... will remain so ...
You have been a sinner, abused sex, alcohol, lust, gambling, it may have been an adulterer ...
You know that someone so never go to heaven ...
Jesus never allow it.

Area_boy: The devil has done nothing.

Can you sit there and tell me you have never met a "girl boy" before? he walks talks and acts like a girl. basically a woman trapped in a man body (more than 90% if not all are gay) or even the other way around. Have you never seen that before? So then the devil created them?

if they want to get married, what's the big deal?

Actually the first marriage between gay in that church was the pastor with her boyfriend.
This church accepts homosexuality as natural.
Lilcutie, was a sinner. He drank his fill, he was insatiably sex, liked to watch pornographic movies ... but now decided to sin no more ... no longer has sex, or drink, or watch pornograp.hy. And horrified that gays get married ...
Ah ... Lilcutie ... you're so naughty!

tintingz: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4385768.stm
BBC link Islam fastest growing religion in europe, i've givn you my sources. So pls give yours.

AH ... growth.
Yeah, right ... Something that practically does not exist, can grow with only two followers.
Dear ... Islam does not exist outside of Africa.
All that is known in America Islam is the attack on the twin towers. If you ask here "who is Muhammad," they will reply possibly a Turkish shop owner uan.
Do not get angry, that's not my fault.
I do not understand Islam, but I have some curiosities.
Could you tell me if it is true that when a man dies,
in heaven 20 beautiful virgins await him?
And if a woman who dies? What awaits she in heaven?

lilcutie8916: lets not digress from the topic besides can u tell me how i can change my username or should i open another account

So now you do not sin ... You have sex, do not drink, neither men nor women look, do not masturbate ... that's very funny ...

To change your nick is not necessary to change it.
The shortest path is a syrup to stop the nonsense.
Luck.

InesQor: Is he not a man of God? If he slaps her and she dies he will bring her back to life".

It should not be, but is a typical Christian thinking.

The picture posted is very old, and it is faked.

God2man: Oga mcdaddy01, Pls, once in while, listen to the voice of your conscience, it is God's inner Police officer, warning you. You cannot stop the voice of your conscience. You may smoke,drink,womanize for a while. The voice may stop. After some time the Policeman(your conscience) will come back. It is there. It is real. It will continue to warn you until you listen. God's inner Police officer(your conscience) has a time limit.

God bless you.
God2man.

Satan, terror, heresies, hell, eternal punishment, lake of fire, Lucifer, demons, sin, virgin, teetotaler, temptation, fear, repression, police, regret, pain, tithe ...
That sad little world so ...
How fantasy and fanaticism can ruin someone's life.
THE TRUE DARKNESS IS THAT IN WHICH YOU LIVE.

No, I have no fear of the dark, and I have no fear of going to a graveyard at night.
I do not think the fear of the dark has to do with atheism.
It's just a psychological issue, nothing more than that.
May be related to some instance of childhood, or just a distaste for the lack of light.
But that has nothing to do with religion.
Warm regards, and up your mood, sleep with the lights on is no drama!

tear_jerker: I'm not Nigerian, but was amazed at how Nollywood's portrayal of traditional religion. I can't believe that someone would consider the religions of their ancestor as something evil that is triumphed by a Christian God. My question is, what is it that makes the Euro-centric religion the right religion, and that of your ancestors the wrong/evil one. Why does their religion serve the one true God and yours, the devil.
As an outsider looking in, it seems like self hate and acceptance of something that does not naturally belong to you. Also, I whole-hardheartedly believe that religion is an integral part of culture. Culture cannot exist without religion. If you remove the traditional religion, you begin to alter the authenticity of the culture.
It's like traveling from the US to Nigeria to get a McDonald's Hamburger instead of pounded yam. It wouldn't make sense. When people Nigeria, they want to see Nigeria and all the things that make it unique to all of the other cultures of the world; all the things that makes it one of a kind.

Dear friend:
Thanks for you kindly.
I'm not Nigerian, I am Uruguayan and I live in Montevideo.
I understand that the "demonization" of traditional religions are the result of a clever work of the conquerors (Arabs and Christians). To master it is essential to achieve the vanquished desarraaigo; delete their culture, traditions, language, identity, and do accept the dominant culture.
The African culture and traditions have always been linked with religion. The easiest way to find European missionaries and priests, and the Arabs, was to identify precisely the traditional religion with the devil and all evil.
Paradoxically, the outrageous, is that Africans came to believe that!.
Religion African (Yoruba, voodoo, Nkisse, etc..) Is best known in the three Americas than in Africa itself.
Incredibly, if you study for example, the Yoruba religion (Orisa), can you understand that it is a religion that has no demons there is no figure of Satan or Lucifer ...
A tall tale, that all came to believe, and gave excellent dividends to the Europeans and Arabs.
Cultural slavery still exists in Africa.
My respects!

seunny4lif: DO KNOW ANY AIRLINES CONNECTING FROM ANY WEST AFRICA TO VENEZUELA WITHOUT TRANSITING IN EUROPE BECOS OF TRANSIT VISA?

No, dear friend. I know of no airline travel from Africa to America without scaling. As for the visa, if necessary. You can manage at the Embassy of Venezuela (possibly the embassy is in Lagos).
Sorry I can not tell you more, I do not Venezuelan, I am from Uruguay.
I wish you the best of luck!

I insist
I think at the time did not give more importance to this address.
You can have interesting facts about some people who were enslaved.

http://es.scribd.com/doc/6120935/La-Ruta-Del-Esclavo


@Chipmunkey
Dear friend:
Thanks for your reply.
It is a pleasure to exchange information in a climate of respect.
Your information is extremely valuable.
Thank you very much for sharing!

tpia@:
a lot of towns and villages were depleted.

ketu wasnt the only one.

Obviously no. Ketu was not alone.
But somehow I made mention of Ketu.
Did you know that in Ketu, they worshiped the Ossossi Orisa?
Did you know the basics of worship Ossossi disappeared in Africa until the arrival of returnees from Brazil?
That was one reason for my comment.
Obviously, I know that many cities were destroyed.
My respect!

Sorry friend Olaa ...

Obama's own claims that he is a Christian

Obama has said publicly that he is in fact a Christian. He has been called a Muslim, but says he respects Islam but he is not a Muslim (BTW, I do not respect false religions, especially those who use violence to grow):

"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a way to be cleansed from sin and give me eternal life. But more importantly, I in the example that Jesus set, to give food to the hungry and heal the sick. Prioritizing always the weakest instead of the more powerful. I do not "fell in the church" (presumably refers to the baptism of the Holy Spirit ) as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me the importance of these issues in my life. I did not want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct, my values ​​and my ideals. "(1)

Obama believes that the greatest moral failure of America has been its failure to put the "less" first. He said that Jesus Christ was instituted this in Matthew 25:40. On this, Obama said:

"I think the greatest moral failure of the United States was still not satisfied with the basic precept of Jesus in Matthew that whatever you do to the least of my brethren you do for me, and that notion, the basic principle applies to poverty, racism and sexism ... Do not think about providing ladders of opportunity for people to enter the middle class leaves a general feeling, I think, that this country, so rich and powerful we have yet to spend enough time thinking about the "least of us." (2)

Obama says he converted to Christianity in 1985, when ... Well, why not just use their own words. Here is a portion of the testimony of President Obama:

"... So one Sunday, I was one of the few clean jackets I had, and I approached the" Trinity United Church of Christ "on Calle 95 in the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And in the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. learned that the things for which I was very weak, he those achieved for me. So I put my trust in him. And eventually, I came to see faith as more than a consolation for the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable in the world and in my own life. was because of these newfound knowledge that I was finally able to walk down the aisle one day and affirm my Christian faith. emerged as an option and not an epiphany. I did not hit me church, as people sometimes falls (apparently referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit). Questions that had not magically disappear. The inclination skeptical of my mind suddenly disappeared. But kneeling beneath the cross on the South Side Chicago, I felt I heard God's spirit signals affecting my life. I submitted to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out their work ... "(3)

Nor judge nothing that says this portion of the testimony of Mr. Obama. I am not impartial in this matter. So I will quote how he saw two Christian leaders who have read this account of the conversion of Obama. They say:

"For Obama, stand up and talk about how Jesus changed his life, shows you have guts. You may disagree with everything he stands for, you can disagree with the policy objectives, but as Christians, We like it when someone talks about how Christ is the missing ingredient in your life? "
David Brody of Christian Broadcasting Network

"I found this statement breathtaking and refreshing in its simplicity."
-D. Pulliam

Sources:
(1) Obama's interview with Christianity Today.
(2a) Obama, at the Presidential forum at Saddleback Church where both he and Maccain were interviewed, on Question 6. "What does it mean to be a follower of Christ?". (Transcript)
(2b) Obama at the Presidential forum at Saddleback Church where both he and Maccain were interviewed. (Video)
(3) A Politics of Conscience by Barack Obama.
(4) 30 second video at youtube.com
(5) Call to Renewal by Barack Obama. (Video)
(6) In response to Question 7, third paragraph, "At what point is a baby entitled to human rights?"
(7) In response to Question 8, "Define marriage."
( "Religion Speech" at youtube.com

The Pastor should get money to buy a plane.
You should understand that (Irony).
Satan rules tithing churches that charge .... and many fools tithe Satan, without knowing it ...

snthesis: Please i need your honest answers related to the picture below:

1. what is your first opinion about the picture?
2. do u think it occurred by chance?
3. what are the odds of rain, wind, thunderstorms, lightning etc -severe weathering, producing the design of this work?
4. do u instantly think it was created by an intelligent designer?
5. which is easier to create, this work or a living cell?

if you have answered the questions above honestly, then please answer just one more
6. Do u still think Atheism/evolution/big bang theory makes sense?

You are suggesting perhaps that God did?
That would be the most stup1d suggestion that might get to read.