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cisse7575: Spiritual pregnant in a dream is not good. One need to get closer to God and pray over it or visits a true spiritual home.

Pray to god because of a dream?
I thought Christians did not believe in superstitions, but I think I was wrong.
If you go to a church not forget to bring money to pay the pastor.

There were primitive traditions which killed more than ten million Africans shipped to America enslaved many more ...
On the contrary ... that the perpetrators took great care to destroy all that means identity ...

OLAADEGBU: I didn't say enemy I said frenemy! Are you for us or against us?

Nor against nor in favor.
I simply give my opinion.
It amazes me the fanaticism with which you defend tithing, and bile passages you quoted out of context. You, who both supposed to defend the word of god and jesus, is changing the context to defend an indefensible position. You know it.
As for my identity, I reiterate that I do not use double nicks, if you say, is why he does ... I reiterate that I see the moderator.
It's easy to reach me as I write from another continent.
But. I pray that you post your thoughts, but not assault, not accuse others.
Ask your god (or his pastor, and you pay tithe) that gives you inner peace. The are in need. You are proving to be a very bad education, not only in this thread, but also in others.

Babalawo by the oracle by phone??
The world is changing ...
I prefer to be silent ...

Dear friend Emofine:
First of all, my expression of affection for you.
I have my doubts that African religion is really polytheistic.
I can be wrong, but I think Oloorùn is the only god and creator. The Orisa are emanations of the one God and creator, whose mission is precisely to maintain the universal balancing between. I do not understand that the Orisa are gods, this is part of the vision of European missionaries, and a bad interpretation or translation of the word "Orisa". Do not forget that the first European priests who came to Africa felt that Esú was the devil in African version ...
So I understand it.
When we speak of God (Evangelical, Islamic, Catholic, traditional, etc) I always think we are talking about the same.
I understand that the difference is in how each of us that God appoints, and the way they cultuamos each of us.
Absolute truth does not exist, and the biggest mistake we can make is that of bigotry.
I send a fraternal and sincere hug.

Dear friend Emofine:
First of all, my expression of affection for you.
I have my doubts that African religion is really polytheistic.
I can be wrong, but I think Oloorùn is the only god and creator. The Orisa are emanations of the one God and creator, whose misiçon just is to maintain the universal balancing between.
So I understand it.
When we speak of God (Evangelical, Islamic, Catholic, traditional, etc) I always think we are talking about the same.
I understand that the difference is in how each of us that God appoints, and the way they cultuamos each of us.
Absolute truth does not exist, and the biggest mistake we can make is to fanatizarnos.
I send a fraternal and sincere hug.

NRI PRIEST: we dont kill pytons in Idenmili but we kill poisnous snakes.

Dear friend ...
Your post made ​​me think my somewhat off topic ...
I understand what you do with snakes, is part of the tradition, and has a background ecological, cultural and even religious.
Amazingly, the man really live in harmony with their environment ...
For Westerners it is very difficult to understand that if you kill all snakes upset the balance and the disaster may be greater ...
His speech is very interesting, going far beyond the anecdotal.
Thank you!

Mai-suya:
@arbiter, most interesting are the perspectives you've brought up.

First could you provide fact for linking the end of slave trade to the Protestant movement.

Also was the issue of slavery ever really an issue to the Protestants when they protested,

And @ all thanks for your contribution, I would summarise most responses as admitting that the church goofed on this one. But I would also add that it was because the bible didn't provide any clear direction on the issue of equality of mankind, if anything there are instances some races are refered to derogatorily this would have provided ammunition for proponents of the slave trade to justify it, which indeed the church did.

From the perspective of what happened in America, Protestants did absolutely nothing. A Catholic priest was the exception, but there was no Protestant moviese only one finger against barbarism.

The Arbiter: This subject has been explored in depth by historians. The church dogma previously classed Africans as barbarians without souls and subhuman with the white man being superior and godsend. This essentially encouraged trafficking in African slaves in which over 8 million African lives were lost. But bear in mind that before the transAtlantic trafficking, a tranSaharan trade in slaves to Europe and the middle east was in existence.

The church's position was a mainly pecuniary decision coupled with its disdain for the black African. Recall that black signifies everything evil in church ideology then. Also, the new world colonizers payed handsomely for royal charters and church approvals which they use to stake claims in the new world. The trade continued for 300 years untill protestant christians in Britain contested the catholic dogma of Africans being subhuman without souls. A lot of debate erupted and thankully Africans were admitted as members of the human race and God's family. The fight to stop the trade then lasted another 50+ years.

A lot of controversy still rages round the number of slaves involved. Documented records indicate over 8 million transported. Deaths were only reported by official cargo ships and a lot of the illegal trafficking were never documented.

In all, the atrocity which can be aptly termed genocide, was like many other issues in which the church goofed, a great stain on the church's integrity and seriously questioned its authority as the divine representative on earth. Up till today the issue is mostly hushed and the late Abiola's efforts at compensation, just like the jews were compensated for Hilter's holocust, was rebuffed.

Anyways, all that is history. I only pray the Nigerian people will see through the red blood-thirsty mists of religion to realize that the African has suffered long and only the common brotherhood of place/location binds us rather than the warped dogmas we sometimes profess.

May we have the hearts to see and the courage to take the decisions that lead us to greatness.

Excellent exposure!
I applaud!
How could fix what they did? With money? Some things have no price ... If God cayholic really exists, he is responsible for settling accounts.
At some point in history appeared isolated characters trying to stop the atrocities, but the official position of the church for centuries was for barbarism.
Only the union, and forget old quarrels may be the answer.
Best wishes!

OLAADEGBU: Are you also an intellectual schizophrenic?

Estimate.
I have spoken with respect and courtesy.
I regret that lack of inner peace it deviates from the free discussion to attack me when I did not.
I give my opinion, and I regret that it will disturb you.
Your comment reminds me of Hitler phrases, in which the word "intellectual" was associated with schizophrenia or a bad thing.
I understand that you are a radical, fanatic and you want to impose their right when they do not, but I ask that at least a little respectful of others.
I hope that their beliefs will provide some peace of mind, as you need it.

Thank you.

patriot2: No the igbos have Obi while the yorubas have Oba, although it's pretty much the same, and the languages look alike.

My friend the igbo is a collection of societies which had very little in common except language similarities,
There are real tribes such as the bini, focus your interest on them.

Very good contribution dear friend!
And thank you very much for your friendship, is shared.

I have no specific information about bini. I wish I had some material.
Do not forget that my location is very remote, and access to certain historical information in Africa is very difficult
It would be very positive for all the comments focus on the subject.

Unted have a friend on this side of the Atlantic!
You have my friendship!
Thank you very much!

ChinenyeN: And where would I begin this research? I refuse to use any online resources, to do this type of research on the spirituality of Pre-Colonial Igbo society. You also seem to bring up an interesting point, but that would be another topic for another thread. It would seem that you are knowledgeable about this topic. I have a question for you concerning a related topic. Since there are regional differences amongst the Igbo speaking groups, would it be safe to say that the British gave the Igbo people an identity? I ask this question, by not giving the former colonial masters any power over the Igbo people, I am simply saying they gave the various Igbo speaking groups an identity that they did not have before.

I agree with you. It is true that many things can not be expressed online. Here in South America when talking about the Igbo we imagine a kingdom monolithic, but his valuable contribution it has made me realize that it is not.
I apologize if my comments instead of bringing something really distorted.
Your input is very helpful for me, thank you very much!

Odumchi: Anyway, there's no such thing as 'Igbo religion' since 'Igbo religion' cannot exist independently from Igbo culture. To understand Igbo religion (which greatly varies from place to place) you'd have to understand Igbo culture (which also greatly varies). It would take you a long time to understand the various sub-cultures of the entire Igbo nation.

I suggest you pick a particular Igbo sub-group and study their own religious worship styles and sub-culture.

Exactly dear friend.
Nor should put aside, supposedly the Igbo not only worshiped Orisa, but also ancestors. May also exist Gelede worship or the like.
This is a very large and complex, which includes not only religion but also traditions. I have no absolutely sure that what I said is accurate.
My presentation covers only a part of history, then it all changes have been unknown to me.
My intention is to contribute and lead to a discussion we can all contribute elements that enrich us all.
Every comment helps!
Thanks for the input


I think this thread is very interesting. Includes topics religious, traditional, historical and social.
I am very happy to share this conversation with you.
I have a high regard for all of you!

Someone can have the slightest doubt that the Catholic Church, on behalf of Christ the King promoted and supported slavery?
Africans came to America in the holds of ships, they were by hundreds in a confined without light, air, water ... almost without food. The vast majority of them died on the voyage and were thrown overboard. To those who came very sick ones were left on the beaches, and left the dogs to eat.
The first thing I did was baptize slaveholders in God's name then given the name "Christian", banning their language ... They were separated from their children and wives ... Then animals were sold with the consent of the church and the same church allowed the terrible punishment and violations. The church declared that the American Indians and black Africans had no soul ... for that reason could be treated like animals.
In the city of San Salvador, Bahia, Brazil, still retains the "Pelourinho", which is a tree located in the center of the main square where slaves were tied and were whipped in front of others to serve example, this happened a few meters from the main church.
Anyone have doubts about the role of the Catholic Church and Christians in these atrocities? Anyone doubt that the African genocide has been the largest in the history of mankind considering the dead / people?
There anyone in this world that can deny or justify that?

With the agreement of Berlin, in 1885, Europeans divided Africa is spread like a birthday cake. They were distributed Africa. They separated ethnic groups at will and convenience. In most cases it was not necessary even one shot.
I tell you who did not raise the sword? The same happened with the economic-religious influence.
What Patriot2 brother says is true ... If we think of the suffering of their ancestors, this produces a huge pain.
Be enslaved by force, by the vastly superior military power of others is one thing ... meekly kneeling with no reason, foreign beliefs, and mortgage the history and traditions of the ancestors can not be understood.

@Sweetnecta:

Just say you if the item I presented on Abdeslam Laarusi is false or true.
In his sermon, he advises women to hit yes or no?

mkmyers45: and how did you explain the concept of attacking your conscience? I guess you are as confused as they say.

Dear friend Olaadegbu:
You are an intelligent person.
I really surprised that as a result of comment from a fool, he committed adultery and because of that wants to find God, and the inconsistencies start talking about Darwin and consciousness, you (which is intelligent) is one such stupidity.
If proof of the existence of God was so simple, all philosophers, theologians, etc.. from the start times have tried to test models have been inept.
You really think that this fool who started the thread with their inconsistencies has more capacity than the theologians?
This thread is already a circus.

Arosa: @ptolomeus, The concept of God is lost in translation of any religion but the existence of God is unquestionable.

Unquestionably for you and for me, but do not be so arrogant and disrespectful to those who do not think alike.
Nothing is unquestionable, only the pride.You respect others the same way that you want to be respected.

patriot2: I was just teasing the igbos on this forum, I do not have a clue of what religions they used to have.

Okay dear friend ...
You understand that it is not easy for me to overcome my bad English, and also
seriously trying to expose.
I pray that you forgive my allusion and count on me as a sincere friend!
A sincere hug!

First of all, excuse my bad English.
I hope the dear friends understand this statement as a contribution, and not a lack of ducation of a foreigner. I understand that would be of greater value than a brother Igbo or Yoruba deeper and do precisely this issue and I hope someone does.
Orishanla (Grand Orisa) or Obatala (Yemowo husband) is also called Oba Igbo (King of the Igbo).
Orishanla has a fundamental role in the history of the world´s creation, mission entrusted by Eledumaré, the supreme God. For this mission, delivery Eledumaré Orishanla àbà(the power to suggest) and the power to perform (àsé), so it is also called Alàábàáse.
Orishanla is part of the group "funfun Orisa" Orisa white or related to the creation.
Among the Orisa funfun can include:
Ajiguna Olufon Abashed (who cries when awake); Oguiyán Ewúlèéjigbo (Lord of Ejigbo) * 1; Obaníjìta;
Akire or Ikìre; Alase or Oluorogbo; Arowu; Olojo; Eteko Dugbe Oba, Oniki; Onirinja; Ajayemo, Jaye;
Rowu or Owu; Olobá; Oloufin; Orisako; Eguin.
It is unclear whether Orisa is different, or different manifestations of Orishanla.
When Oduduwa founded the city of Ife, Oduduwa begin and Orishanla disputes. These disputes led to repeated clashes between the two armies. These wars, which end with the victory of Oduduwa, is considered by many historians as a recreation of what was once the fight of both kingdoms Igbo and Ife for supremacy.
The ceremonies are performed in Orishanla Ile Ife and commemorate historical events.
Initially, these ceremonies lasted nine days, but now were reduced to five days a week Yoruba agreeing to four days, then these ceremonies begin and end on the day consecrated to Orishanla.

* 1 The main temple was at Egigbo Oguiyán. His name is a contraction of the phrase "je Iyan Orisa, Orisajiyán or Orisaguiyán and that name is related by choice of eating iname (Iyan).

For its part, the name of Obatala (Oba t'ala) means King of the white cloth.

Honestly, I hope nobody is offended, because my intention is not that.
I have tried to give the merest glimpse of a subject that is very large and complex, so ask the brothers to make more contributions, and if there is a discrepancy on what I explained, I beg you all to the manifest, because the exchange always reflects the wisdom.
Is that the purpose of the forum, the sharing of knowledge and healthy discussion.
I hope my comment is helpful.
Warm regards to all.

patriot2: The funny thing is that the igbos rejected their religions and all became christians, so answer me: why?

Dear Friend: I am a researcher of African traditions, particularly of the Yoruba. I have no knowledge of historical grudges, or the current reality of the Igbo people. I am not denying what you say, simply because I do not know what is happening today in Igbo.
I understand that the question refers Nebeuwa to know about the original cult of the Igbo, and not on the timeliness of the Igbo.
Dear friend:
I joined this forum to exchange information healthily, to learn and share with everyone, not to be part of disputes, which may be justified or not, but I ignored them because I have no knowledge.
You can read my various posts, that I must respect a Yoruba wholes themselves that a Hausa, a Fulani, someone from Ghana, Nigeria and South Africa.
I am a foreigner, and I do not mean to disrespect anyone.
Please do not be angry with me, because I do not mean to offend any person or people.
I hope you understand me.
A respectful greeting.

patriot2: according to the brits, it is cannibalism.

If we go by what the British say ... I would argue that they, the British are imperialists, repressed and stupi.d.

As they did not understand the Yoruba religion, the degraded, and compared with witchcraft. But that has not been the fault of religion but of ignorance of the English.

I am a researcher of Yoruba culture. Do not consider myself an expert on the subject, let alone an African forum.
I would like the opportunity to some Igbo brother to explain correctly about the cult of Orisa, Orisa which originally worshiped there, and so on. etc.
It is a fascinating subject, and I can not really understand how many Africans know these issues and traditions.
I'm at your service!
Best regards!

I would like to ask for help to friends.
In the study of the historical traditions of the Yoruba, arise some terms are confusing me. I would ask your help to know the following effects:

The Yoruba word "hehe" (Gege) translated as "foreigner", what people meant before the colonialism?
That word was derogatory connotations, or was simply a form of reference?

What is the difference between the terms "Nago" and "Anago"?

From now I deeply appreciate the collaboration.

Allah= Allahu= The god:
Allahu akbar= God is great

Arosa: Your ignorance or lack of knowledge is not a proof that God do not exist.

Some people do not think like you do not mean they are ignorant.
If you are a Christian should learn to respect others.
The time when Christians imposing their god of blood and fire are over.
Everyone has a right to their opinion.
Respect!

balium: we are talking about how it came to nigeria not egypt besides the arabians only conquered egypt it was not made compulsory to become muslims, it was by choice so the sword part should be removed.

Dear friend:
You want us to believe that religious insight is spontaneous generation?
The religious interest is separated from the political or the economic.
There are many ways of domination, including religious and not to mention the economic (South Américans and Africans know better than anyone).
It is possible that in many cases religious change was not a war directly, but that's suppose that the Africans were to find Islam to its source in love of the Koran .... no!
I beg you to understand the context.

Callotti: We don hia! lol

Have you told your wife?
As a true 'Christian' broda, YOU MUST TELL HER.
Anything short of that is PURE DECEPTION.
Where is your conscience?

Whether you like it or not. . .if you are like me o. . .anytime you are 'hammering' your wife, you will remember the sweetest taboo with those born-again ashawo sistahs from ya church, while moaning and groaning in the dark. . . JUST DON'T CALL THE WRONG NAME. You will still be walking with the LORD! lol

Mu che che che che che che

It is called 'spicing up a stale marriage'. . .no need to get divorce sweerie. YOU CAN EAT YOUR CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO!

dear friend:
The wife of "Akwa" was the first to know. She had a "revelation" . Thus warned, Akwasi, but he could not withstand the temptation of being with two women ...
I believe that divine justice would be that the woman was with two men Akwasi!

Now ... Akwasi says that God already forgave him!.
It's actually a wonderful god, a god who is able to forgive such horrible things as betraying an innocent wife, and having sex with two women within 24 hours ...

Now Akwasi may deliver a sermon at his church, explaining to the young Christians that sex is unclean to be virgins and must avoid the sin of the flesh (ajjjjjjj)

http://es.knowquran.org/coran/mujeres/
2:223 Your wives are a tilth for you. Come, then, to your field as you like, by quoting something for yourself! Fear Allah and know that you will find! And glad tidings to believers!
2:228 Divorced women shall wait three menstruations. Not afford to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day During this wait, their husbands are fully entitled to take them back if they wish for reconciliation. They have rights equivalent to their obligations, according to usage, but men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
4:34 Men have authority over women because of the preference that Allah has given some more than others and property spending. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in absence of their husbands, what Allah has guarded. Warn those from whom you fear disobedience, leave them alone in bed, beat them! If they obey you, do not ye may thrust more with them. Allah is high, great.
4:15 Calls of you four witnesses against those of your women who commit dishonesty. If they testify, confine them at home until they die or until Allah will seek a way out.
33:30 of the Prophet! To which of you is guilty of lewdness, the punishment will be doubled. It is easy for Allah
65:1 Prophet! When you divorce women, do it at the end of your waiting period! Count well the periods: and fear Allah your Lord! Not out of their houses nor let them go forth unless they are guilty of lewdness Those are the laws of Allah, and who violates the laws of Allah is unjust to himself. You do not know ... Maybe Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation ...
66:10 Allah sets forth an example to unbelievers the wife of Noah and Lot's wife. Both were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, but their treachery availed them naught against Allah and said: "Come both in the Fire along with others who enter!"

"The best is hit with a stick" open research imam of the mosque in Terrassa by giving advice on how to hit women "deviant" reopen the debate on the limits of radical Islam
http://www.larazon.es/noticia/9051-lo-mejor-es-golpear-con-un-baston





10 March 12 - Barcelona - Maria Molins Warn those who fear to rebel, abandonadlas in bed, beat them! ". Thus read some passages from the Koran that led to the imam of the mosque in Terrassa (Barcelona), Abdeslam Laarusi, to be now in the sights of Spanish society.

His speeches, which may have urged the faithful to be corrected with physical violence and psychological behavior "deviant" women, have led to the prosecution and the Catalan police to open an investigation and accuse him of inciting male violence.

For more than two months Catalan regional police has infiltrated the mosque of Doctor Pearson Street in the city to record, translate and analyze some of the speeches that the Imam recites the Friday before Abdeslam over 1,500 worshipers. According to research, the religious leader put concrete examples of how to hit a woman.

"It's not breaking their bones and make them bleed, it's best to hit them with a stick, with fists or hands in different parts of the body" might advise and isolate in their home and refuse sex.

Sugardiva: Ive had an experience where i did something extremely errible, something i never thot i would ever do afta going thru a phase when i was very close to God. As believers we need to understand that when we are close to God and read the bible more that is when the devil attacks us heavily with temptation because we are doing the opposite of what he wants us to do and since we are not expecting it we fall. So when u feel u are getting ur christian life right, dont get relaxed expect temptaions so that wit d help of d Holy Spirit u can overcome. Its like to be forwarned is to be foreaarmed. What to do now. Confess ur sin to God. He WILL forgive u, after all u never do reach wetin David do with Bathseba. Then Confess to Ur wife and pray with all ur might that she finds grace to forgive u. Aftawards, go and sin no more!

Exactly.
God forgives all.
As you say, God forgave David's infidelity, but God also forgave the infidelity of Solomon, Noah, Isaac, and many more ... The Christian God forgives absolutely anything ...
You do not worry friend Akwasi. Kneel, pray and God will forgive him.
The next time you commit adultery, you are charged a tithe of greater value, but will be forgiven ...
What message is being given to Catholics who follow the laws?
They are fools, because they lose the opportunity to forn.icate with two women in two days, enjoying the pleasures of life (which God never prohibited) for nothing, because God always forgives!
Congratulations Akwasi ... you enjoyed it, and kneel and pray one minute a couple of sentences is a low price ... to make you want to do it every day!
Next time do it on his knees, so you save time!
Nobody comes up to apologize to advise his wife and that there be an AIDS test?

frank3.16:
from all these, i think Pastor Chris gave the best answer to this issue. the act in itself is not a sin but the mindset during the act or the reason for the act determines if it is a sin or not. what other answer could be better than this?

i understand with people who condemn is outrigthly because they know and think that it is impossible to indulge in self service without thinking of the opposite sex, which most times is not the individuals wife.

but i think people should stop being too extreme on the issue, and learn to diffrenciate between the act and the thougth before the act

Exactly.
I agree with you.
People should not be so extreme.
I encourage Christians to mast.urbate freely, to have se.x as God intended.
Be avoided and repressed people, stress, prostate cancer and make his wife happy.
Oral se.x would not be sin, if done with eyes closed and without thinking of another woman.
I agree with you.
People should not be so extreme.

In this thread already have sufficient evidence that tithing is not applicable from the New Testament. Despite that, its advocates are citing the Old Testament ... a contradiction to who calls himself "Christian"
If we agree to talk of Abraham and Melchizedek to refer to the tithe, we must also accept that the Old Testament God commanded to kill a lamb and sprinkle its blood on the walls of the temple.
Leviticus 1:5 He shall kill the bull `` before the LORD: and the priests the sons of Aaron offered the blood and sprinkle on all sides of the altar at the entrance of the tent of meeting.
Leviticus 14:13 Then he shall kill the lamb slaughtered in the place where the sin offering and the burnt offering in the holy place, because the guilt offering, like the sin offering, belongs to the priest is everything Blessed.

Gentlemen ... if you appreciate Christians who claim the death of Jesus as the last offering, value the New Testament as change. No more sacrifices, no more tithes.
But if you continue to cling to the payment of tithing (which is explained here that does not match) then begin for lambs and oxen to sacrifice to God.
For the absurd, and hopefully end up quoting the Old Testament, and at least to reason ...