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1. Off-topic.
2. That is a religion or a financial system?
3. Thanks for wanting to give me money, but I'd rather earn it honestly, with my work, as I did before.
4. Buy faithful does not seem the most ethical way ,
These are just a few comments that I could not avoid.
I avoid making further comments in respect to other members.
Find your inner peace find it.

OLAADEGBU:
Have you got scriptural references to back up your assertions?

estimate:
You should respect the Bible, which says so much love. You should know that removing phrases from context is not ethical.
If you want to talk about tithing, do so in the context of the Old Testament.
Read Malachi 3 to 3.10 and you will understand that tithing was established by God for the Levite priests, who stole their offerings.
The tithes are set for the children of Levi, not to the Gentiles.
You understand that these offerings to the God of the Old Testament were in oils, grains and animals, which were burned in the holocaust to God.
Did not give money to God, no pastor was enriched at the expense of others.
You cite the Bible with respect. Do not try to put you in the mouth of God what was not said to justify their support for the tithe.
The Bible does not say that.
You defend your thinking ethically.
My respects!

I have read a lot about some versions that link to Yoruba with Israel.
Also with the black pharaohs of Egypt.
I never found any serious evidence of his association with one or the other.
I prefer to study Yoruba culture, Hausa (African in general) without getting into a fruitless search, which only leads to "believe or not believe."
I did not remove value to your position, but I think there are many things to "rediscover" and retrieve the old traditions, and that's what I give more importance.
There are much more qualified opinions than mine here.
My greetings!

Habinger:
@Ptolomeus

My friend this is not a bible quotation competition; light and darkness have noting in common!

My friend.
It's not a competition.
It is incorrect to quote passages tendentiously changing its content.
Just this passage does not say what is stated.

goshen360:
You seems to omit, "by Baal". That's what the poster is trynna make reference to. Thank you.

"of false prophets use a medium such as crystal ball, tarot card, Ouija board, zodiac and so forth to access hidden things though the help of a familiar spirit (Jeremiah2:."
Read what was given as Jeremiah 2.8
crystal ball, tarot card, Ouija board, zodiac and so forth to access hidden things though the help of a familiar spirit (Jeremiah2:.
Please!!!!.
This is not a competition, but it is unethical to quote passages with such rude and biased errors.
thanks
My respects.

Habinger:
The false prophets
medium such as crystal ball, tarot card, Ouija board, zodiac and so forth to access hidden things though the help of a familiar spirit (Jeremiah2:8).

Jeremias 2.8
"The priests said not, "Where is the LORD?"
and those with the law knew me not;
the pastors also transgressed against me;
the prophets prophesied by Baal
and walked after things that do not profit."

Mhhhhh
Special translation, right?

I also was never stolen, even on the street, on the bus, or my car ,
The difference is that I do not think that's God's protection ,
In my conception of God, understand that it is very big , too much to be dealing with those little things ,
Let us take care of us, that God has other things rather more important ,
Or do we think that you or I are the center of the universe to God is watching us?
Please!
I do not believe in a god that is so stupid all the time watching us not to rob us!

I mean that.

goshen360:
Where do you doubt someone's personal experience? Do you know when i came to Christ and how I lived my life? You don't know but let me help you with an hint. What if I don't board public transportation often and I often go on private family car? Just an hint for you.

Do not be angry.
You know I have nothing personal with you.
If you travel in a private car will not be either safe from being stolen.
Neither god nor intuition avoid such things.
Let's be a little logic ,  and that no means the end of each belief.
I'm not an atheist, but give place to God, god is not not my slave ,  and I am a personal intuition its importance ,
Common sense please!

Pastor AIO:
Ptolomeus, sir, I find you very fascinating. Please tell me, are you a Nigerian living in south american or are you a south american that practices yoruba religions?

Dear friend Pastor AIO.
Who is fascinated me.
I am Uruguayan, born here in America.
Practice for many years the Yoruba religion.
Since I am a very analytical person, and under the great distance between America and Africa, I always understood the theological issues vital to join the historical, cultural and traditional. That's why my interest on some issues and some knowledge of African issues. I am also a researcher of the implications for Africa and America slave traffic, and her reflection today. African traditions who moved to America in all its forms, etc. , I just hope not to be annoying, and I am willing to share all my humble knowledge with those interested.
Thank you for your permanent kindness, knowledge and great education.
I repeat their orders.

wiccawicca:
long argument have no wisdom.
some people are looking for good occult here for wealth and prosperity which do you refer them to?

Right.
Thank goodness, then, we have been enlightened and now we have you, with deep knowledge and enlighten us all.
Forward dear sir!

Strange that a preacher does not appear afraid of speaking of the devil, when no one in this thread has said ,

My friend Christian reading the Bible. About 10 chapters a day. Always paid his tithe, as well as economic collaboration with the Pastor.
Yesterday I said that two weeks ago he lost her job, and yesterday he left his wife.
That will be a divine test, or will be a punishment for having contributed only 10% of their salary and not have given it all to the pastor?

Prophecy, divination, magic ,
Some guess which team will win a soccer tournament ,
Others turn water into wine to drink with abandon at a wedding ,
Sometimes it is difficult to find a prophet in all ,

I do not think a person should be guided solely by intuition.
The intuition without logic leads to disaster.
I do not think stealing a person on the bus for lack of intuition, but maybe that is within the possibilities.
They are life situations, in which neither god nor intuition have interference.

goshen360:
I am NOT a Mystics but I will rather advice you don't go back to it. Believe in the protection of God. [b]My personal experience, Since i came to know God and his word, i have NEVER being robbed in a public transportatio[/b]n. God who keeps and watch over you does not sleep not slumber.

Honestly I can not believe I'm reading this!!
I guess on that bus that had robbed all who believe in god NO!!
Please say a little common sense to post.
yes??

That's what I meant when I made my comment about Brazil. It is impossible for Brazil to have 181 languages​​!.
Regarding your comment of the Yoruba, despite my status as a foreigner, I understand that if a claim from them, not that important language, but its historical origins, their common ancestors, traditions, and primarily because like many other African peoples were divided arbitrarily by Europeans, without regard to any item socio - cultural, historical or blood.
I think these reasons by itself would already valid a claim for anyone.
But it is my humble opinion, of course.
My respects.

odiaero:
How many languages do u speek, dont see this as a show off and make ur blood no go hot please.

Me speak nine and half : Edo, Igbo Yoruba, Broken bottle, English, Sloven, Deutsch, Russian, and a little bit Arabic, and you?

nine and half??   Broken bottle??
Spanish, French, Portuguese, Catalan and Galician.
Some Italian.
I do not speak English.

Congratulations on your wonderful imagination, and ability to defend the indefensible.
I advise you to read the Bible in its entirety and quote two passages not changing its essence.
The tithe of the common people is not biblical. It is an invention of the pastors who want to live outside the law of God at the expense of fools.
It's that simple.

Pastor AIO:
Greetings Ptolomeus, I believe that what you are asking is whether the Orisa are spirits emanating from Eledumare or whether they are human ancestors that have been deified.

I think that it can be confusing because many of the orisa have tales about them living human lives on earth. Most notably is Shango.

We all know that Sango was a 16th century Alafin of Oyo. However we find that the cult of Sango has traits and symbols that precede the 16th century by a long way.

For instance the image of the lightning throwing, Rain bringing, hammer wielding, womanizing deity also exists in other cultures of the world where they far precede the 16th century. For example the Vikings worshipped a deity called Thor who was a hero of the Gods, wielded an hammer, throw lightning, and brought rain. The Vikings existed and did all this long before the 16th century.

The Greeks had Zeus, the Romans had Jupiter. etc etc

These all predate 16th century but are extremely similar to Sango.

We also find that there is a deity in yoruba called Jakuta which was worshipped before 16th century and was what Sango was called before the Alafin Sango existed.

I suspect that the Alafin could have been considered an Avatar of this ancient deity. The cult of this Alafin could have then become so intricately woven with the cult of Jakuta that they became the same thing.

Exactly estimated Pastor AIO!.
That was my question!, If Orisa is released directly Eledumaré or are ancestors.
I heard many conflicting answers about it.
Indeed, Sango is an example that makes the analysis more complicated inc.
I have also studied, which in some cases, particularly in war, Alafin took the name of Orisa as their own. That idea always seemed the most serious.
This shows the great mistake of those who consider Orisa as animist cult ,
Dear Pastor, I would greatly appreciate your cooperation, we agree completely on this issue!
Thanks Apor kindness, warmth, and share healthy ideas.
I am always at your service!

BlackPikiN:
Do you live in Uruguay?

Yes, dear friend.
I live in Montevideo, Uruguay.
I am at your service.
Best regards!

PA1982:
^^^
What difference does it make, in the long run you or I are quite capable of making accurate predictions.
In fact, anyone is.

It's a question of numbers.
The more predictions made, more likely one will be accurate.
It's very simple!

Dear friend:
I will directly.
My post about football, it says nothing but who makes predictions about such banal topics as football or sport, is not nothing but a fool or a fraud.
Sorry if someone is offended, but it is my opinion.

Brazil 181
I would like to know what those 181 languages ​​from Brazil!.
I guess that also are including dialects , but in the case of Brazil really do not think so.

dekung:
Take the patient to a hospital and let them conduct proper medical check. There is nothing spiritual about epilepsy it is just a malfunctioning of some certain brain cells. Fasting and praying will not solve the problem ooo.

Absolutely.
I totally agree.

My respects.
I have said in another thread ,
There are sects that not only disqualify other beliefs, but who practice the "cult of fear."
All that is different from them is demonic, is witchcraft ,
However, while promoting segregation, these sects end up being demonic practices, encouraging hatred between people.

Honestly I do not understand some proposals ,
You hesitate to sell condoms to protect the health of people?
You know how many people have AIDS in Nigeria for not adequately protected?
Have you ever wondered if selling candy is right? For damage teeth and cause diabetes!
Have you ever wondered whether to sell soft drinks is correct? many contain caffeine and acids very harmful!
Do you sell bibles? The ink on the paper is highly polluting.
I hope you understand me.

solbil:
you are damn right!
the poster is probably a christian whos putting the blame on traditional worshipers
but the truth is what prompted these two devils to act the way they do is becos of the
nonsense beign feed them by the church.
every church you go to today is always fire fire fire against traditional worshipers.
so the followers of these churches begin to develop a negative and suspitious attituted toward
traditional worshipers

Exactly my friend!
They practice the regime of fear, and disqualification to others.
They say that practitioners of traditional worshipers are witches and demons, but the real demons are they ,
I truly his words dear friend!
An affectionate greeting!

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=48078.msg10311038#msg10311038 date=1330647669]@Ptolomeus, it's nice to have you on the forum. Please keep the comments coming and if you have questions about our own culture let us know. I know I'll have more questions for you and michelly when I have more time. Welcome bro.[/quote]Thank you very much for your kindness dear brother Kilode
I asked a question on Orisa in this thread, (post 271) that no one has responded.
If you can give me your opinion I would greatly appreciate it.
I am available to answer about everything you want.
I am extremely grateful!
My best regards

PA1982:
And?

I'm wondering if Joshua made ​​that prediction
Yes or no?
You know the answer?

MOI LOVINA:
You are not paying ur tithe to ur pastor u are paying it to God.
I still repeat it I will give God what belongs to Him before i take the rest.
The woman could have made provisions for her mother, simple. How much is tithe? 10% or ur salary what happened to the rest of her money? was she living above her means? You can never give to God and fall short. I dont know the kind of christians you are but if ur pastor/ priest is not talking to u about tithing then u are in the wrong church.

Stop crying over ur lost love it simply was not meant to be move on, I hope u will able to love another lady since ur heart is still pinnning for this one.

Also anyone waging a war agains any priest/pastor is just waging a war against himself.

You say that tithing is for God? That's the best joke I've read in years!!
You say that the tithe is 10% of salary? Where the Bible says so?
You are a Christian? He knows that with the New Testament changed many things of old?
You know that Christians do not accept more sacrifices or offerings or tithes?
Jesus or his disciples ever took tithe?
You read Malachi?
I will not make this a biblical discussion, but I ask that when you do opine with foundations and not repeat without thinking about what his pastor says to appropriate money.

Abagworo:
Not really. I think the white men owe all of us more than just reparations.

Dear friend:
I do not know if you mean to me.
I am a foreigner. I do not speak of the African reality, but what happened in my country and in America. I can not comment on the issue of reparations, that is for the Africans. I simply commented that historical facts can not be denied.
Please accept my greetings.

BuffaloSoldier:
Rapture,

Let Africa keep her reperations, Look at her now, Karma is a NaughtyWoman and very ugly indeed! Before coming here, I didnt know that Africans had such disdain for Black Americans, As if our ancestors asked to come to America, MANY of them were sold for western items by other Africans(I hope some jackass doesnt come in here and try to dispute this, the evidence is udeniable). Much respect to the ancestors for being strong and surviving the voyage, Things have worked out for the better, We've accomplished more in 60 years then any other "black skinned-- Yes u Africa, FACT, We gained rights in a country that had out people enslaved, hung, violated and beaten to death, We r getting better with education, despite what some of these people here believe, Many of us have GREAT jobs, They only speak of the ghetto asif that is the majority, I dont think any African should lecture us about poverty, I mean, African counties r the among the poorest in the world, Nobody gave us poo, we took it, I dont understand how some Africans have the audacity to think they r better then us, lol, r u kidding me? I never knew how bad it was until i came here, what a eye opener.Our purchasing power is getting stronger and stronger, Despite what some people think on this board, We do have our own culture(not just fukin hip-hop and pants saggin'), I've been to many countries, We r the most IMITATED people on God's green Earth, FACT, We all know that imitation is the greatest form of admiration!

My point being is, I hate the idea of reperations, Our reperations is living in a country where you can become who u want with hard work and dedication, We dont need poo from Africa brother! Stop it, let them live their lives and we live ours, Again, Im not mad at you Africa, Im pretty sure if they knew what the outcome would have been, they would have went without the comforts of Western products that they swapped out fellow Africans(our ancestors) for, No disrespect to the people here who speak intelligently about this type of topic and aren't "jaded" by the stereotypical "negro" the media like to put out there,

Dear friend:
I reiterate that I am a foreigner, and as such must respect the internal affairs of Africa.
What you say is very true. Sometimes it seems that whoever is far from living a life in opulence, and forget the pain and suffering of all who lived.
Only those who lived in slavery can understand that.
Only a migrant knows what is the segregation and scorn.
But they are all Africans in African blood in his veins, his ancestors are the same ,
I do not think there is contempt, and if I had I do not share.
Let's call for unity, not division.
Best wishes!

Im being ironic.
Only a lunatic or a fanatic can deny medicines to your mother and give the money to a pastor ,
I hope I was clear now.

One question ,

Joshua did not predict this too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnwL6AobhsM

These things happen because of the constant preaching of certain sects, in which everything is witchcraft in the permanent threat of devil worship in fear and terror ,
We must become aware that there are sects lacking basic foundation, and that his only speech is to generate fear to gain followers.
So great is the fear generated by those sects in certain people, you end up "killing witches" which of course are not such.
The article mentions that some pastors asked for help , I do not imagine they would have done, in addition to charge for their fees.

oludyke:
Repent of this wickedness and desire to be in God’s holy hill. Be bold to call questionable characters in your church to order. Be interested in knowing the sources of your members’ incomes. Question a sudden rise in wealth. Remove dishonest people from leadership positions. Stop deceiving your membership by teaching fallacy. Make your paths straight (Pro 4:26).

If any, should be very few ministers who are able to do that ,

Iwa pele