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odumchi: The rooster is meant as an offering to the oracle where the dancers are spiritually "fortified". In an actual war dance, the cock is beheaded before an oracle and its blood is poured at the feet of the oracle in exchange for protection and fearlessness for the dancers. Some of this power is also sent into the dead body of the chicken which is ocassionally passed over the bodies of the dancers to revitalize or rejolt them.

There are different types of masquerades but for the "ekpo" ones that I posted, they are meant to be symbols of spirits. "Ekpo" literally means spirit in the Ibibio language. When someone wears an ekpo masquerade, they are said to lose consciousness and also lose control of their actions. And yes, Ekpo masquerades are the spirits of the ancestors.

I am sorry that you are having difficulty with English. I will try and be as clear as possible.

Dear friend Odumchi.
Not your fault that I have difficulty with English ... You are very kind.
I really appreciate your detailed explanations . Although the video does not show it, I assumed that was it, as the "passage" Rooster implied purification or cleaning. I have a clear vision of Yoruba cults in Orisa and some references of religion Angola (Nkisse). It is amazing the similarity, the multiple points of contact with these ceremonies so beautiful ...
Thanks to your excellent explanation, the videos become even more valuable.
I am infinitely grateful to you for the beautiful material, the kind explanations and great patience.
I reiterate his orders.
A very warm greeting!

Try to bring order to the thread ok?
A Christian who attends church and follows the law of God, he commits adultery.
He does not open a thread to express regret, but to say that he has discovered evidence of the existence of God, and as if that were not enough, introduced Darwin in the discussion ...
This is an example of the hypocrisy of believers, who defend their doctrine even when violated, this is what is learned in the Christian churches ...
This is an example of the approach that many religious and pastors have ...
"No matter what sin, then pray, pay tithing and God save you"
It's terrible.
Friends: We are discussing introduced Darwin at the request of an individual who spent his own principles and beliefs about the place where the sun does not reach!
What has introduced Darwin with what he did that guy?

I express my apologies to all, but I wrap in a discussion of introduced Darwin and consciousness in a thread like this, is unintelligent ..

I would say to Akeasi friend who has the courage to face his wife, the respect, and do not open threads like this.
My respects

OlowoTee: Let him that thinketh he stands, take yield lest he falls. We need the grace of God to stand firm in Him.

It got little to do with how many times we read the bible from cover to cover. But, how diligently we obey the little we've read/read. Praying you receive grace to stay true to His word. Release yourself from guilt. Believe in God for cleansing and forgiveness. He is still in the business of forgiving us all our trespasses. .

Mhhh. Yes, I agree.
Or to put it another way ...
Let God forgive brother ...!
Do it again and enjoy it, it will not be doing anything different from what they do most of the christians and pastors.
You can even add some dope, also alcohol, but do not forget the protection of condoms ...
As stated earlier the brother ... no worry... God forgives!
Then go to church, repent and done deal!

Excellent thread!

I was born and I live in Montevideo, Uruguay.
Montevideo is a capital city, but is small and quiet enough compared to the capitals of neighboring countries. I was born and I grew up in the city, and although I know the countryside and small towns, I really feel very comfortable here.
I could not live in a city with great noise and overcrowding.
Warm regards to all!

Answer to the question by assuming that something has happened in Africa similar to what happened in South America. Such religions are imposed by the sword in his hand. The military dominance leads to the political, economic, cultural, and social domain ...
Now, I understand that that is history and we must not stop with the tears and the cross arms.
It is true that everywhere there are sheep that follow the easiest path, which imposed the master ...
But there are people everywhere analytical, intelligent, who appreciate traditional values, their ancestors, the basis of their culture.
Africa is extremely rich in culture and traditions ... Christianity and Islam, after centuries of imposition, nothing has provided as a benefit, on the contrary ... they have done to Africa and more poor and slave .
Fortunately there are people of clear thinking, fueling hopes of a new dawn better.
My warm greetings to all

Dear friend Beretta92.
I do not speak English but your English is really much worse than mine!

jayriginal: BEEYOOTEEFUUL !!!
Well said.
*shouts* "Barman, abeg ask this man what he is drinking".

A very good illustration methinks.

It is not really a drink problem.
It is our friend Akwasi, was flirting with a girl ... Well, ended up in bed with the girl, but the problem is that his wife found out, and our friend Akwasi are looking to God to forgive him. He looks at the ideas of Darwin, in his own consciousness, everywhere ...
This, dear friend Akwasi explained in another thread ...
It's not a question of alcoholism, no ... is that the man is somewhat disturbed and afraid to go to hell ...
I already explained to him that Abraham, Solomon, David, Jacob, etc. all have been unfaithful and adulterous but were forgiven by God ...
Akwasi has misbehaved with his wife, so it is somewhat incoherent.

odumchi: Yes, it's a war dance. And no it has nothing to do with Orisa or Ogun. It was performed during and after a war with the heads of decapitated war prisoners. I'd be glad to answer any other questions you may have.

Dear friend Odumchi.
Thank you very much for your wonderful and kind response.
Unfortunately I do not dominate the African language, and I have great difficulty with English. I am Uruguayan and I speak Spanish.

In this dance of war, is very marked the presence of a rooster (chicken), even at one point is passed over the body of a person.
If my question does not involve violating some secret (not my intention to do so) could you explain the meaning or symbolism of the rooster?
Came after his sacrifice?
In the case of the masquerade, it is the representation of an ancestor, or just something decorative?
I hope my questions are not inappropriate, but I really appreciate African traditions, and exposure seemed to me excellent.
Warm regards dear friend Odumchi!

cleakoms: @Azibalua, the word of God is so simple and we christians decided to complicate it,

No 1. Did Abraham pay tithes from His income or his lands, fruits, crops or animals?, No. He gave from the spoils of war

No 2. open your bible to Hebrews 7: 8-10

8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

   If you want to defend your point based on the fact that abraham paid tithes, you can see from above especially in verse 9 that Abraham was compared to Levites who gave a tenth to the priest and not the children of Israelites,

  So Mr or Mrs Azabalua, are you a levite?, if yes, then you're not allowed any inheritance in the land because the Lord commmanded it.

No 3. If tithing predates the law as you have claimed, then start tithing as the Lord commanded and not as your pastor teaches. pay all you 3 tithes, 1 for the poor, 2 for the festival and 3 for the levitical priests.

No 4. If you or your pastor claim to be a priest, then collect your tithes from the levites because the tithes of the people of Israel does not go to the priest but to the Levites who will in turn give a tenth to the priest.

No 5. So, where did you get the idea that your 10% goes to the church or pastor?, i need bible verses,



My brother or sister, i know it can be very hard to know that all you have been taught all your life  about tithes and how it's given is not completely true. I was taught like you as well, but the bible says 1 Thess 5: 21 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil,

It's just a pity that we no longer feed from the word of God in its raw form, we only feed from our local churches and pastors,

An excellent explanation, and there are hundreds of explanations but in the Bible.
Anyway, no one so blind as those who will not see ...
Tithing involves the support of the pastor, the pastor progress economically at the expense of those who are deceived, so there are people who must defend the lie at all costs, even they change the meaning of the Bible!
There will be a greater sin than that?
The discussion will continue, because the "sharks" not easily leave their prey ...
My congratulations.

In the first place, I do not agree with adultery.
I'm not because I believe that there must be full respect between spouses.
But I see you not as interested in his wife, for what you consider a sin.
In fact, all the great Hebrew patriarchs committed adultery.
In Noah's ark had 8 people, Noah, his wife, three sons and three lovers die. (Genesis 7:13.1)
Do not forget who commits adultery with Jacob Rachel
Abraham (the great Hebrew patriarch) with her ​​maid Hagar who got her pregnant,
David and Bathsheba (Second Book of Samuel 11:1 to 12:25)
Solomon had a harem with more than 1,000 women ...
All this is documented in the Bible, and God, has not only forgiven, but ended up awarding each of them.
Therefore, dear friend ... you have not left the girl pregnant, as did Abraham and some others .. have no doubt that God will forgive him.
Now, from here more ... I advise you to respect his wife.
My respects.

Akwasi: You did not get the post right. According to Darwin's natural selection nonsense, humans and of course the entire life forms on this planet adapted to what their environment threw at them. If the world has been throwing these hatred, bitterness, pain and wickedness, why then is our nature not changed to adapt to these wickedness?

Why do I still have a conscience that works perfectly in terms of convicting me. Why do terrorists cry when they suffer loss? Where did that tender emotion come from if you think your emotion is determined by the environment that you were raised?

This is a common sense!

"You did not get the post right".
You opened this thread saying that having become aware of a situation is irrefutable proof of the existence of God.
Excuse me my frankness, but the exposure is so terrible, that does not deserve even the slightest analysis.
My respects.

Tobius tobius: I'm sure you know that it depends on the denomination of Christianity.
For Catholics - contraception is a sin.
For Jehovah's Witnesses - blood transfusion is a sin.

During his visit to Africa, Pope John Paul II called emphatically that condoms were used ...
As all can see, neither Catholics nor Protestants agree among themselves.
Not agree on the methods, nor whether or not a sin ...

Pastor Kun: Thanx for the insightful contributions ptolomeus

We are pleased to contribute to the brothers.
I regret that my post not please everyone, but my obligation is to tell the truth, I believe that to do otherwise would be harmful.
I am who I must thank you for your kindness.
Best wishes!

OmoPastor::
not paying your tithe will not stop you from going to heaven but it will definitely rob you of a lot of things here and thereafter.

Dear Sir:
Excuse me if my documents do not agree with their ideas.
My intention is not to attack or discredit anyone.
But I want to clarify that I am not part of those who fear groundless threats of many pastors, in order to maintain profits push others saying they will go to hell or to speak for Satan.
That sort of thing does not work with me.
I do not pay tithing (and no person should not pay) for the reasons that I explained, and a thousand more reasons, which for reasons of space I did not develop).
I beg you, if you have any biblical support that contradicts everything I wrote, you expose it.
It is not with personal views should be treated as such issues.
My respects.

Pastor Kun: Thanx for the insightful contributions ptolomeus

We are pleased to contribute to the brothers.
I regret that my post not please everyone, but my obligation is to tell the truth, I believe that to do otherwise would be harmful.
I am who I must thank you for your kindness.
Best wishes!

[quote author=OmoPastor:
not paying your tithe will not stop you from going to heaven but it will definitely rob you of a lot of things here and thereafter.[/quote]Dear Sir:
Excuse me if my documents do not agree with their ideas.
My intention is not to attack or discredit anyone.
But I want to clarify that I am not part of those who fear groundless threats of many pastors, in order to maintain profits push others saying they will go to hell or to speak for Satan.
That sort of thing does not work with me.
I do not pay tithing (and no person should not pay) for the reasons that I explained, and a thousand more reasons, which for reasons of space I did not develop).
I beg you, if you have any biblical support that contradicts everything I wrote, you expose it.
It is not with personal views should be treated as such issues.
My respects.

I could expose more than 1.000 articles, backed by rabbis, biblical scholars, priests ... who are clear that the tithe must be not paid in any church.
Collect the tithe is stealing the eyes of God.
I have quoted the source, so it can be accessed with any questions
Now ...
Given these arguments, it gives me laugh when some advocate cites Abraham tithe, or want to change the meaning of a biblical passage only to justify his pastor is stealing.

Regards to all!
P. S. any doubt I am at the orders.

http://www.iglesiaenmarcha.net/2009/02/uso-y-abuso-del-diezmo.html
Definition: The word tithe comes from the Hebrew word "maaser" or "maasrah" which translates tithe, or tenth. In Greek the word for this "tenth" is "apodekatoo" and both the Hebrew and Greek, these terms mean the "payment or gift of a tenth or serving." Another definition says: The tithe (from Latin Decimus, tenth) is a tax of ten percent (one tenth of all profits) that should be paid to a king, ruler, or church leader.
The people of Israel had to devote to the worship and the maintenance of priests and Levites a tenth of certain fruits and animals (not money) (see Deuteronomy 14:22, Leviticus 27:32). He was a true religious tax that had to be given once a year (not monthly or weekly) (Deuteronomy 14:22). The Pharisees carried the practice of religious tithe to a fault, giving a tenth of the most minute and insignificant value, such as mint, dill and cummin, but neglect of humility, justice, mercy, faith and love, which is a serious mistake (Matthew 23:23; Lucas1: 42, 18:12).

Let's enter the Holy Scriptures to examine in detail all matters relating to tithe, if we are practicing Christians, as if well practiced, if it really brings blessing to give, and so on. We may rave of many details we did not know, but the Word of God is the supreme rule of faith and practice for the church and the believer will teach us.

Tithe in Scripture

God asked the tribe of Levi was sustained with 10% of the fruits of the people of Israel, that the Levitical priests to devote themselves full time to the service of the tabernacle, and this should do it from age 25 to 50, which was when should be withdrawn (Numbers 8:24-25).

God to prevent corruption among the people of Israel, who always ordered the tithe was given in commodities: wheat, wine, oil, animals, etc., which were kept in the "storehouse" which was a place in the temple and served as a warehouse to store the products generated by the tithe. Was how to sustain the Israelite tribe of Levi, who could not own lands, but his heritage was 10% of what bringeth the Earth Produced and cattle of all the tribes of Israel ie gains after have taken the necessary expenses (clothing, shelter and food) on profits drew 10%, since their work was devoted to ministering the tabernacle of the LORD; the proceeds of each year would take ten percent into the storehouse, and then eat all the priests and their families. It is wrong to think that now you can tithe with money instead of food because that was not handled as at present, but was more common to barter for food. But in Genesis the word money is used about 44 times before the tithe is mentioned first in Leviticus 27. For example, with the money to make people buy slaves (Genesis 17:12), charges the sanctuary (Exodus 30:12), tax census (Numbers 3:47), etc.. When no money was that it had resorted to barter (Genesis 47:15-17).

Many Christian leaders say and say, "Tithing is biblical, it is named many times in the Bible." That's true, but what they do not always mentioned is that for the people of Israel, never to the Church. (Leviticus 27: 34). Currently included in the obligations for believers provisions of the Act which provide some material benefit, such as tithing and the feast of firstfruits. But there has been interest in the churches to include the feast of Pentecost, nor any of the remaining six festivals listed in Leviticus 23. When asked why not keep the feast of Pentecost, or Tabernacles, or Feast of Trumpets? No hesitation in answering: "Because they were for the people of Israel." And what of the tithe. The feast of first fruits, as are the other six parties to the Jewish calendar, to celebrate once a year.

Some passages out of context leaders to instill psychological fear his followers if they do not tithe, as: "You have robbed me your tithes" Malachi 3:8. But omit the other passengers, violating all the rules of hermeneutics and biblical exegesis. Malachi 3:2 and 6, explains that the children of Jacob (Israel) were not giving the tithe to support the priests and Levites (not for one man) to work for the people and God. The obligation of tithing is concerned only the people of Israel for what it is not universally required as many try to let us see. In verse 10 God promises to give "a blessing, that" the people of Israel, if we first meet the Law: "Bring ye all the tithes (fruits of the land not money) into the storehouse (storage room) and there may be food in my house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if not open the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing until it overflows. " The Israelites were under the Law and should fulfill for God to bless, so the challenge to fulfill the law that He can prove his loyalty, his part of the deal. The Jews who were d irigía the prophet did not trust God, so the Lord challenges them to do "try". So this passage has no value for the Christian, as we are under grace, and we can not and must not test God, He will bless us to fulfill part of the Act, plus we can not prove God because it would offend mainly for having given everything for us, gave us his Son: "... How not with him also give us all things?" (Romans 8:32). If you rely on the Law says Paul, "all who are of the works of the law are under a curse, it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things written in the book of the law to do." (Galatians 3:10) is under a curse if not quite meet all the law as James said, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet offend in one point has become guilty of all." so that no use be a faithful tither without does not meet the 613 precepts of the Law From this we conclude that the sacred writer is d irigiendo those who keep the Law, the people of Israel, not the Church. In other words this passage many Christian leaders are saying that if someone does not pay, it is not saved, and not logical and is an unbiblical teaching, salvation is by faith and not works.

Another curious and do not meet those calling the tithe is that for two years, the tithe was to be taken to the tabernacle, and stored in the barn, but the third year the tithe of that year was to be delivered directly to local villages and make it available not only to the Levites, but also of "foreigners, orphans, and widows" ("At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year and lay it up within thy gates . And the Levite that hath no part nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, and eat and be satisfied, for the Lord your God may bless thee in all the work of your hands give it. " Deuteronomy 14:28-29, 26:12-14), of which do not comply, and I almost dare say a large percentage of churches that meet do not tithe, no bad thing that the churches do share the tithe with the community of foreigners, orphans and widows who were in the population around it. Although it was three years! Recall that in the New Testament we have instructions regarding how churches and believers should care for widows and orphans.

Another very interesting fact is Numbers 18: 20-28, in these verses: 1) repeated that the tithe is for "the children of Israel" and 2) that is repeated three times that the Levites did not have possession (ownership) any land. So if we applied today no leader or pastor could not even have a plot or your own car, this meeting as stipulated by God in the Old Law of Tithing

Notice something very important: in the whole Bible shows that the tithe was given by the owners of the land and animals, that was what was received as a tithe. The servants and laborers did not tithe because they have monetary compensation which did not give anything. Also when you traveled very long distance and could not bring the tithe in kind from the discomfort sold everything and took the money and then bought the place, and might even have some things dictated by his heart (Deuteronomy 14: 22-26)

The Law of the Old Testament tithe was taken away when Christ died on the cross and not before (Colossians 2:14, Galatians 5:1, James 1:25).

In Hebrews 7:5-12 is again noted that the tithe was of the Act;. In this chapter 7 of Hebrews also indicates very precisely now in grace, no Levite priests, because there was a change of priesthood and law: "For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of law."

The obligation to tithe, has always been for the Jews, for those under the Act only time he mentions tithing outside the law, and only once was, was when Abraham gave a tenth of his victory about the kings who had taken his nephew Lot prisoner. I did once, and it was a monthly payment, see who says he "gave" at that time the tithe, but he never says "paid tithes." It is very clear that these goods or offal were not Abraham, were the kings who had defeated, was not the result of their work or their land. But we must also remember that Abraham was not finally wind up with nothing, I gave everything to Melchizedek ("That will not take even a thread or a sandal strap, nothing of all that is yours, not to say later: 'I made Abram rich' "Genesis 14:23), and was the only time I gave something, is not mentioned in any other passage to continue giving or tithing or any other contribution. It must be noted that there is nothing in the Bible so that someone can take the place of Melchizedek type of Christ to demand tithes. The v.2 of Hebrews 7 says that Abraham gave Melchizedek "tithes of all", but in Genesis 13:2 says, "And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver and gold." But what a surprise! In all this great wealth Abraham gave Melchizedek a hair of their cattle a single piece of silver and gold gave "tithes of the spoils" v.4 of Hebrews 7. This unique little detail sufficient to change the whole picture.

Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42, Hebrews 7:5:12; These are the only passages in the New Testament where tithing is mentioned, and were basically rebuking the Pharisees for hypocrisy, and to remember Abraham when once "gave" the tithe. So I never asked any Christian tithing. In the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus affirmed the true demands of the law made no mention of tithing will have you forgotten that detail Jesus so important? If tithing were an obligation for the Christian does not it seem strange, is not mentioned even once in the entire New Testament? So why do churches ask for tithes. The early Christian church promoted voluntary offering, and this should be done in secret. Tithing in the early Church did not exist. The heated discussions of Paul with those promoting the restoration of certain observances of the Law, how circumcision, suggests that the tithe be minimal regulation compared with other laws and impracticadas, its sole suggestion gave rise to criticism. Paul called them restorers "Judaizers." Also today the Jews do not tithe. The Jewish Rabbis, who in theory should know and be able to apply best Mosaic Law, not paid tithes because they know only Levites could collect tithes. Because of the destruction of the genealogical records in the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, they can not identify the true Levites. They use a different system to sustain itself economically is so many dollars for each seat in their synagogues on how we can maintain and support themselves. So could prove that a leader is a direct descendant of Aaron to have the right to request a tithe?

Money has no power and no benefit to the blessings and gifts of God: "Then Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God with money!" Hechos.8: 20. And few today give donations (tithes and offerings) not out of charity but out of interest, to do well in life (heal, get a job, saving a family member, relative or solve a problem until love), if this is true then we are seeing restored the famous indulgences of the Middle Ages who initiated the reform lead by Martin Luther.

The tithe was a divine practice to support the priests the Levites, and should be delivered in kind, not in money. In contrast to this, now, there is a tenth or a promise that we will receive more earthly prosperity, on the contrary, now we are asked to let us have no treasure here on earth but in heaven. The early Christians gave all his property to be divided among the Church, but none of them became rich.

If someone says you must pay a mandatory tithing, not giving freely as he purposes in his heart, but it would be an imposition. Law keeping is something that offends God, because the works of the Law are dead works (Hebrews 6:1) ie works of mere ceremony.

In the New Testament we see that the church is financed not from the tithe offerings, see 1 Corinthians 16, 2 Corinthians 8:1-12 and 2 Corinthians 9:7, also remember that the early Christians were obliged to provide accommodation to ministers of the Word: "Beloved, you do faithfully when you pay a service to the brethren, especially to strangers, who have told the church about your love, and will do well to lead them worthy of their service to God , to continue their journey. Because they came for the sake of the Name, accepting nothing from the Gentiles. We therefore ought to receive such persons to cooperate with the truth. "3 John 5-8 (Acts 6:14-15; 18:1-3,7). Furthermore, when Christ sent the twelve and then the seventy, not taught to collect tithes but to remain in the homes of the fair and eat what they put forward, never asked for 5 star hotels or limousine (Matthew 10:5-15 Luke 10:1-12).

In summary:

1 - The tithe was commanded by God to deliver products to the Levitical priests, never in money, because they could not own property and so there was no corruption.

2 - The tithe "was" of the Act (Mt23: 23), "according to the law" (Hebrews 7:5).

3 - At Grace we offer up freely, as everyone purposed in his heart, not your left hand know what thy right hand has given, not to do in envelope with name, the gift must be anonymous.

Learn to give love freely and without expecting anything in return, let's do without the left hand know what has come to the right. You should not expect anything in return, because you can "buy" the favor of God. A God we can not handle, unless something like the money. Possibly get to make any difference that the tithe or more, but the big difference is that not be a burden and there they come from God rewards. Do not fool yourself into thinking that tithing today is give your offering to the Lord, because you'd be participating in a tax commanded by men, remember that what the Lord intended for the Church was offering and it was not the tithe of the Law

In conclusion if the tithe is an indispensable work to be saved and we prospered under the Mosaic Law and not under the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, then we must practice the other precepts, rules, ceremonies and celebrations of the Act, and that salvation would not be from faith to faith as required Romans 1:17 and Ephesians 2:8-9, it would be by works of the believer.


Dr. Jesus Maria Yepez

Tithing is a biblical precept is met only in the land of Israel with the fruits of that place in time when the people are pure to do so, ie when the Holy Temple is standing and there are elements-dust purifying red cow.
Today marks the disposal only by rabbinical precept.
With regard to the precept of tithing money, it is a rabbinic legacy with biblical support, imposed the Jewish people.
People who are not Jews, are not required to extract that tithe, and what they want to donate to those in need depends on your own will and generosity.
http://www.judaismovirtual.com/preguntar/1967_diezmo_gentil.php

http://www.mercaba.org/ARTICULOS/D/diezmo_protestante.htm
Tithing Protestant, is biblical or tradition of men?

Tithing as taught today is most of the sects to give 10% of cash income does not exist in the pages of the Bible.



A. - The tithe was never given in cash or currency, but in food and animals



Whenever Scripture speaks of tithing, that was given in kind, either fruits or animals (cf. Gen 4.3 to 7; Lv 27.30 to 32) and not in money, even though another had it (cf. Gen 47.13 to 18).

It was only the fruit of the land or animals, or even mentioned to some of the mining, trade, carpentry, or professional occupations.

Note that in the book of Leviticus Chapter 27.30 to 31 if someone wanted to pay some money had to give 20% of the actual value of the animal or fruit.

Obviously money was not what God wanted. It has been widely used in Protestant circles the book of Malachi to pressure to give 10% when in fact there are talking about food: "Surrender, then, a tenth of everything they have into the storehouse, that there is food in my house ... "(Mal 3, 10a).

There are hundreds of Scriptures where it says over and over again: harvest and animals. The focus of the tithe was agricultural and livestock! Was food: food for the Levite, the stranger food, food for the widow, the orphan food, and God does not change the subject in the book of the prophet Malachi.

These are the verbatim word of a Protestant writer is against tithing: "The next time a pastor or an elder, deacon or evangelist put guilt on you about tithing, buy a truck loaded with wheat and download on the pulpit, and watch your reaction. "

One thing to look what the Bible says about tithing, and quite another is to use biblical passages to make people believe what 10% of his salary. To tithe in kind some have changed the teaching of the Old Testament to ask for money.



2. - The tithe was for the Levites, widows and orphans, not to the pastor



The tithe was used for the support of the Levites because they had no inheritance in the land as the other tribes: "The tithes that the children of Israel offer unto the LORD separated to give them to the Levites as an inheritance. So I told them shall have no inheritance among the children of Israel "(Nm18, 21 24, cf. Dt 14:27). This fund is also taking certain portions to alleviate the needs of foreigners, orphans, and widows. In the third year the tithe of that year was to be delivered directly to local villages, "Every three years shall separate the tithe of all crops of the year, but keep in your city. Then come to eat the Levite, who among you has its own heritage, and the stranger, the fatherless and the widow, living in your towns and eat their fill ... "(Dt 14, 28-29, cf. 26 12-13).

In fact Jewish rabbis today 10% do not ask for them because they know the law and know perfectly that the tithe in kind was only for the Levites. 10% of salary for the chief pastor or leader has never existed in the Bible, except by "preachers" or "servants" who demand for themselves in the name of God that God has never asked for Him



3. - The tithe was a law for the Jews in the Old Testament



That is why the Protestant sects that require it have to resort to mention quotes from the Old Testament and especially Malachi to make people believe that is biblical, but do not mention that it was for the people of Israel, that was with God had done that alliance, and we are not Jews but Christians.

We belong to the new partnership: "This is my blood of the new and eternal covenant" (Lk 22.20, cf. Hb 10.9, Gal 3.23 to 25): this is achieved with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and now He is our Lord. Even St. Paul addresses those who want to return to live under the Law (cf. Gal 4, 21-26).

Unfortunately some, not having this knowledge, unknowingly are mixing the two alliances like the same. At times they are Christians, and tithing are moisesianos.

Anyway, if anyone wants to give because it is in the Law of Moses should not forget that the apostle James says that the Act was an all or nothing packaged, of a person was not allowed to choose what she liked it, as if it were a religious menu and put aside what does not seem right. "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet offend in one point is guilty of all" (James 2.10).

If a Protestant wishes to follow the law, must be circumcised, keep the Sabbath, not eating blood, tithing, do not eat fish without scales, stoning those who violate the law, etc.. Or all or nothing. So the Christians in the New Testament never gave or spoke of tithing or other things just mentioned.

No way, so many wanting to be pastors to shear his sheep safely in the name of God.



4. Neither Jesus nor the apostles asked or ordered to ask the tithe



No single event in the New Testament in which Jesus or any of the apostles say you have to pay tithing, and fewer still that were 10% of salary. Even the food and animals.

In the Gospels alone is three times the word tithe, and speaks of the Pharisees who had been given (cf. Mt 23.23, Lk 11:42), and certainly does not speak well of them, and in the case referred in Luke 18.12-14, which gave the tithe came neither justified nor blessed.

In the letter to the Hebrews tithing is only mentioned one time that Abraham gave to Melchizedek, and was part of a "spoils" of war. In the New Testament speaking of help, collect, support, sharing everything they had, but never 10% weekly and money.

Why it never occurred to Paul to mention Moses or the prophets concerning the tithe, or release him to the Christians the passage of Malachi, "you are robbing God", as many modern preachers do? Because he knew he was living under a new covenant and new style of giving from the heart.



5. - The early church did not charge the 10% weekly wage



Historians of the Church make it very clear: the primitive community not funded by tithing of any kind. Hasting's Dictionary says of the early Church: "It is universally admitted that the payment of tithes or tenth part of possessions, for sacred purposes did not find a place within the Christian Church during the age covered by the apostles and their immediate successors."

Just as the New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "The early Church had no tithing system ... there was no need to keep it, or that there was or was recognized in the Church, but other means appeared to suffice. "

So the Catholic Church uses the word "tithe" to mean only an aid amount of time a certain job, never with the 10% required. Some do like to take this 10%, but only as a free and personal commitment to support evangelization, the fruit of love to Jesus Christ and his Church, but never because there is a biblical motif.

Apparently, the promoters Protestant 10% tithe of wages have not read the history of early Christianity. If someone wants to give pleasure, tradition or choice, everyone is free to spend their money anywhere, but that no one else to believe in things that the Bible teaches.

Watch out, there are pastors who abuse. No doubt this topic will appeal to Protestants who are already tired of the squeeze with the story of tithing 10% weekly money. You can help and practice a work of mercy compartíendoles this topic.
By Martin Zavala, M.P.D.

tpia@:
what kind of d.umbness is this?

if you have a wife then why are you masturbating?

if you dont have a wife then why are you masturbating?

Dear friend.
You are using logic and common sense, but we can not ask the same to everyone.
Here are people so fanatical that even change the biblical passages, putting words in Jesus never said to them ... everything is a sin to have sex with your wife ... watching a beautiful woman is a sin ... a show tv music is a sin!
They are slaves to a policy of terror and the threat is always sin and the devil ... go to hell ...
"If we break, is sin?" Irony!!
But the tragedy of all this is that the shepherds who repress nonsense have sex with women in the church, practicing pedophile, or live off the tithes ...
It is impossible for them to use logic.

I read this thread and really it's funny how the shepherds used repression to wash heads and profit.
The philosophy of repression and fear ...
The worst part is that most pastors giving sermons on the "sin of sex" have sex with women in the church, and in many cases innocent children ....
"No matter if you mas.turba, what matters is what you're thinking"
Well ... I have a friend who is mast ... thinking about the football match on Sunday ... it is sin or not?

You certainly want to test the existtencia of God.
For centuries, scientists have tried, religious and atheists ... without success.
But you have the great idea of thinking that proves the existence of God to have remorse ... Well, if you cut your finger bleed, and that does not prove the existence or nonexistence of god ... It's not that simplistic.
Neither Darwin has nothing to do with this topic ...
I think you are quite confused.

All these sects have no philosophy of her own. His only preaching is to interpret the Bible as they please, accuse everyone else of being demonic, if they own the only truth, and to promote hatred and resentment against all those who think differently from them.
With this outlook, not surprising that these things happen ....
They speak for God, and act on behalf of the devil ...
The more heads are captured, but paid tithing ... I do not doubt that this also be the reason for the attack ...
That is the peace that came to bring Christians to Africa.
Who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind.

Mafious: My Dear Catholics, don't imagine that the thousands of people who leave the Church every Sunday do so because they want to go to a Church where they are allowed to wear what they like. Some folks are guilty and I admit it but most folks are just sick of the deadness of the Catholic Church. I do like to argue alot and I also like to marshall my points before I take anybody on. Every single time ask a priest to show me in the Bible where they find the basis for some of their doctrines I just called a trouble maker and my Mom is given a talking to.

This is all while I was under 15 years old, this generation is more informed than any generation in human history so the Church cannot keep up the Charade for much longer.

This things are the foundation of Christianity and the Church keeps.

Baptism
Tithe/Offering
Prayer
Worship
The Preaching of the Word (abeit a lot is left to be desired)
Alms and Helping of the poor (the Church gets maximum credit here, they do a fantastic job)

But where do we find this in the Bible.

Purgatory
The infalliability of the Pope
Penance
The intercession of the saints
Marian Shrine
Holy Water
Blessed Sacrament

Ask all the Dictators who fell in the past year you cannot bully this generation into believeing anything except you have concrete proof.

Dear friend:
I agree with you.
Many of these Catholic elements are taken from pagan cults ... (holy water, for example). Purgatory, the Blessed Sacrament and the trilogy, not part of Christian doctrine, but were created many centuries after Jesus' death. The Catholic Church has made a huge effort to "aggiornarse" is true ... at first was not a sin of adultery (Abraham), then if it was ...
The church felt that sex was a sin (which aberration!) But John Paul II in Africa asked to use condoms ... (?).
The Catholic Church makes an effort to evolve, but can not. Its very structure prevents it. This place has lost to the Pentecostals, that much more intelligently, they have so many interpretations of the Bible as pastors ... the majority does not think much of sin as tithes are paid in a timely manner ... (that's what really matters).
All this is unlikely to change ...

buzugee: lol @ bush being lucifer. however you do know that the white race is not native to europe ? the white race is native to the caucus mountains of georgia russia. they took over europe just as they did australia and america and canada and new zealand. europe is where they consolidated. but they took over europe earlier than the rest

We then agreed that the white race that originated in America is an error, right?
I just did what I meant ...
Some people are basing your comments on that basis, and are totally wrong.
(I actually would not say that Bush is Satan ... I think that Satan does not deserve that ...)

buzugee: lol @ bush being lucifer. however you do know that the white race is not native to europe ? the white race is native to the caucus mountains of georgia russia. they took over europe just as they did australia and america and canada and new zealand. europe is where they consolidated. but they took over europe earlier than the rest

We then agreed that the white race that originated in America is an error, right?
I just did what I meant ...
Some people are basing your comments on that basis, and are totally wrong.
(I actually would not say that Bush is Satan ... I think that Satan does not deserve that ...)

odumchi: This is interesting. It looks Portuguese. What century do you think it could have been? I'm guessing it's not too early since it shows the interior in detail.

Dear friend:
These maps are published in the book "Orishas" Pierre "Fatumbi" Verger, Ed Carrúpio. Indeed, it is in Portuguese. The maps are not dated, I understand that these maps point to indicate the location of the various Yoruba kingdoms and nearby areas, to facilitate the explanation of the rest of the book. This is undoubtedly the pre-colonial, so I thought it might be an important contribution for all. Verger (París 1902, Brazil 1996), besides having made ​​the traditional religion was an important French anthropologist who lived several years in Africa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Edouard_Leopold_Verger

I remain at your disposal.
My fraternal greetings,

OLAADEGBU: We thank God that you have now exposed yourself as an enemy of God who can't stand the Word of God. The more effort you make in suppressing the truth the more the word of God will spread to the glory of God and the people of God will be edified. Satan shame on you for all glory belongs to Jesus.

Estimate.
You have a psychological problem ... you should see a doctor.
You will not deceive anyone wrongfully accusing me of being against God, because God who is attacking you with their silly threads and endless monologues.
Make you an analysis of consciousness will be good for you.
And please, stop disqualify me, attack me and accuse me.
You have an unstable and violent character it is not a Christian ...
Calm down, respect the others ... that's what the Bible says and not the nonsense that you presented here.
Be happy.

OLAADEGBU: My dear frenemy that has been stalking me hiding under a different ID, you have exposed yourself. If you have a problem with tithing why don't you challenge God instead of being a spiritual rebel all over the place?

Dear OlAAGDEBU.
You are not my Frenemy ... either you are my enemy ...
I have no enemies.
You are faithful to their creed.
You feel bad and enemies all those who think differently.
You accuse me of having more than one nick on this forum ... it is absolutely wrong, and I ask the moderators to make public my IP.
I am Uruguayan, writing from South America and would be very easy to know if I write with two nicks. Or is that the writer with two or more nicknames you are and why you are afraid?
You will be upset that I disagree with you? Well I'm so sorry!
You say that I lurks? Why put yourself as a victim, when it causes all their fans and irrelevant threads?
I have no problem with the tithe, because I'm not stupid ... I do not pay tithe to any thief.
You are annoying me, you lose your cool, falsely accuses, attacks ... are increasingly fanatics ... and that claims to be Christian ... contradictory ...
What will Jesus say to judge their actions!
You defend the tithe, and it is their problem if you prefer to be a slave, but do not lie, do not quote scriptures changing its meaning.
Do not confuse people healthy heart.
As a slave to be happy.