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Mai-suya:
I guess the Protestants weren't free of blame after all.

So my question is has the church in any time in history both Protestant and catholic issued any APOLOGY to black folks and taken concrete steps to redress this catastrophic historical SIN by the church? When and what was it.

I do not know if ever the Catholic Church or any church has formally apologized. It is true that the Catholic Church has a far greater responsibility than the others, by their political power, but no church made ​​a definite defense against slavery.
As far as America is concerned, there were isolated attempts by some priests, but well into the XIX century, and which did not succeed because the interests were many.
The freedom of African slaves in America is part of various political processes, at different times depending on the country concerned.
However, despite the declaration of prohibition of the slave trade, it continued for some time, and either unable to fit into society, or inability to find work, long declared free the slaves remained in solitary from slavery to serve the same master.

http://www.freie-christen.com/riqueza_de_la_iglesia.html#esclavitud

Blood money based on slavery

Human trafficking and slavery increased the wealth of the Church, something that still lives.

The Church supported from a pricipio slavery, and worsened in many respects. 7) p. 520,524

Pope Nicholas V legitimized the slave trade in his bull "Divine communiti amore" (for divine love to the community) on June 18, 1452. Therefore the slave trade was legal and did not cause any qualms about the participants. 10) p. 101

The pope had slaves. Pope Gregory I kept hundreds of slaves on their estates, and consented to the laws forbidding slaves to marry free Christians.

A slave was considered livestock. The Church treated the slaves as a "good of the Church" and this worth as unmarketable. The Church Tasaba the value of church property not in the money, but as slaves. 7) p. 523

If nonetheless a slave was freed, it should reward the Church with their heritage. 7) (4. Synod of Toledo)

The Church forbade the slaves to make wills. On the death of a slave, his savings went to church.

According to Thomas Aquinas slaves were "useful for all service." 7) p. 229

The Church did everything possible to maintain slavery, and nothing to remove it. 7) p. 520

A bishop could only free a slave if it offered two to replace him. 7) p. 523

Illegitimate children of priests were enslaved for life church, this also was true for abandoned children. (3. Synod of Toledo)

The "holy" Martin of Tours (now represented in many churches dividing his coat), owned 20,000 slaves. 7) p. 524

Convents were also slaves, both for the service of the monasteries and for the service of the monks. Thousands of prisoners, Slavs and Saracens were distributed to the convents as slaves. 7) p. 528

Slavery lasted in the estates and properties papal until the eleventh century.

"It is estimated that for every slave who temporarily live until it reached African coast, ten died during ground transport and ten more died during the voyage." 10)

Protestantism followed from the beginning the same way, after Luther was theologically justified serfdom and slavery. Until well into the nineteenth century, evangelical Protestant nations, and with the consent of the missionaries theological, traded in slaves and went hunting for slaves. " p. 22 and 4) p. 150

The first ship carrying slaves English was called "Jesus." 9) p. 179



Plane loading of a ship for transporting slaves.
For centuries the Church encouraged slavery and kept slaves themselves.

http://www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/1606171/Documentan-que-la-Iglesia-Catolica-utilizo-esclavos.html
Document that the Catholic Church used slaves in Nazi Germany

Documented slave labor during the Nazi Catholic Church
The German Bishops' Conference has compiled research on such practices in this period

A comprehensive documentation on the use of slave labor in the German Catholic Church during the Nazi era was presented at the Germanic city of Mainz.

Under the title "Slave Labor and the Catholic Church - 1939 to 1945", the German Episcopal Conference presented the work that made the most ambitious in recent decades, where he compiled research on slave laborers and prisoners of war who were employed in that period.

The first comprehensive study on the subject documents the fate of 4,829 workers and 1,075 foreign prisoners of war who were forced to perform different tasks in organizations dependent on the Catholic Church.

The documentation presented today does not imply in any way "an end to the work of reconciliation," he said about the bishop of Mainz, Cardinal Karl Lehmann, who until February headed the German Bishops' Conference.

The work, totaling over 700 pages, not to be understood not as a "definitive statement" of the Church's role during the Nazi period, he added the prelate.

"It is rather a new and very important pillar of the work of reconciliation of Christians in Germany and Europe," he said.

During the Second World War and under the Nazis, millions of prisoners of war and displaced from the territories occupied by Germany, particularly in Eastern Europe and especially Poland and the Soviet Union were forced to work for industry. But the Church also benefited from the hand of this work for free.

For the study were investigated, since 2000, multiple files of the Church who were in hospitals, parish houses, nursing homes and orphans and other Catholic agencies

It is necessary to get married in church?

Pastor Kun: For someone who claims to be a christian, you are so so dishonest! Where is it implied in the bible that God commanded Abraham to tithe It is an indisputable fact that Abraham's tithe was purely voluntary and it has absolutely no bearing on christianity today.

Exactly.
It was a war booty. That's not a tithe.
When Olaadegbu quotes Levi, he knows he is speaking of the Old Testament (Malachi 3:8-10) and he says he is Christian.
We know that defends tithes Olaadegbu referring to Abraham and Levi, and changing the biblical contexts ...
You Do not stress, not worth ...

Da infamous: hehehehe lord have mercy

Yes...
I must have done something wrong ...
I think I've been punished with the reading of this ...
No doubt it is a punishment ...
I think I'll do an offering to Esu ...

Very good contribution dear friend.
Opponents of the YTR and other traditional African religions have always associated these beliefs with low-educated.
It is very important to reverse this bad image, and I think this case is an excellent example.

I see some similarity between the voodoo Zangbeto and the Orisa Somponnó (Omolu) ...
My greetings!

oldtime: from the vicinity of the church where she takes solace before help will come to her

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I'm sure the pastor of that church where she attends give shelter, food and healing.
Surely the minister charged by the tithe, and the purpose of it is just to help the needy, do not use it to buy a new car right?
I advise you to take this woman to the pastor.
My respects.

I agree with you.
Pastors have introduced non-Christian concepts, such as tithing, they sell their oil, water etc.. churches in becoming a market ...
They are based upon some traditional religious ceremonies and perform.
All this is witchcraft in the home of God ...
I have seen a person paying U$S200 for the pastor to do "something" to get a job --- That is witchcraft!
Witchcraft and the devil won the churches.
People attend in good faith, and eventually find their lives shattered.

Pastor Kun: Olaadegbu you see how you are ridicling yourself and proving to be a very dishonest person! What kind of christian would wilfully twisting the very same scriptures his beliefs his based on?

Indeed, this is the style of Alaadegbu. He changes the context of the biblical passages that exposes.
I have only a small discrepancy with you.
It is true that he is ridiculous, but fundamentally he is a blind fanatic.
It makes sense to share a thread with someone who does not understand and all he talks about is the tithe and terror to the devil.
I do not spend a single letter in reply. Not a single movement of my finger.
My respects!

ifyalways: People marry the wrong people and for the wrong reasons.

When I was young, the old saying that "the world is changing" ... was true.
But the world keeps changing ... unfortunately I do not know whether for better or worse.
I believe that globally there is a loss of values, moral and ethical concepts that are reflected in all areas of society.

Besides that ... just a thought.
There is some penetration of particular cultures in others. The drawback is that cultural penetration often occurs in people who are not ready (not be worse, but have different culture) to understand certain behaviors ... that sort of thing works by osmosis, by imitation.
In the '60s TV here in South America showed us soldiers killing Indians ... ended up getting used to that ... death is "natural and ordinary" to some but not others.
Is not surprising that human behavior change as well.

emöfine2: Hello Ptolomeus

Hmmm but all the gods governing these faiths are not in harmony with each other. . .

The carriage in which these imported faiths were facilitated was under the slogan “one true god” . . . erecting monotheism as the seemingly correct theology. So there must have been a market for that theism but that is not to say all Africans practised polytheism; the spirituality on the continent is just as diverse as its people.

However classifying some Africans as polytheist may not be so definitive as some Africans hold a reverence for any entity they regard as spiritually significant such as the ancestors or perceived sacred animals etc which still differs from paying obeisance to their personal god.

I think you are right concerning the orishas because they are just like envoys to the supreme deity.
How many orishas are there by the way?

What I mean is a god, evangelicals who speak and ask him things to give and the Jews do not eat pork for him, and so on. etc. But I understand that there is not harmony, but are the people who make a different reading of the same.
When we speak of the beginning of a religion, we are not talking about the "birth of a god", but the birth of a cult, therefore, no "god" is prior to another ...

You ask me how many there Orisa?
Well, there are legends that speak of 401 ... but personally I figure seems fanciful. Even the ceremonies for some of them are no longer practiced.
Perhaps a more informed brother can provide any more precise element.

Making the cult of fear, terror to the devil. That is the policy of some faiths.
Simple, only terror and fear.
I wonder if the god they love was really strong, why should the devil have so much fear right?
But is this the only speech they have ... fear and more fear.
They know what is "the terror of the Lord"? Pastors thieves tithes and people instead of bringing peace and harmony expose nasty posts like this.

Pastor AIO: The main reason for my making this enquiry is because I quite taken aback by the reaction I've seen to the idea that the concept of 2 types of Adam was already in Judaism before Paul mentions it.

I don't know why the fact should be so offensive.

For example, would the fact that there is baptism in Judaism before christianity be offensive to many christians?

Would christianity likewise vehemently defend any of it's own inventions if it were suggested that it existed before. For example if we found that original sin had already been articulated in Judaism would this be considered offensive? Wouldn't it au contraire lend validation to the concept?

When we speak of religion, the big problem is fanaticism. A Christian should be very fanatical or silly to be offended if we say that baptism is Jewish ... and the "host" is Christian.
There are issues to be analyzed from the standpoint of history and culture, and if we reach a conclusion valid, we must rid ourselves of radical attitudes.
Catholicism (in my opinion) takes Jewish elements (which are based) are also elements pagan and Romans ... Christianity in general has had to make some major adjustments to explain contradictory situations. They also had to adapt dates ... Someone may believe that Jesus was born on December 25th?
We do not believe the Pope!. Someone can believe in that image of Jesus blond and blue eyes?
I do not think there's anything offensive in his words and not in mine.
Just look at historical facts fairly.
Always a pleasure to share opinions with you!
My respects

It is not my intention to discuss the topic, but just give my opinion.
I do not know if the government of Nigeria is burdened with their jobs or not.
Nor if African Americans want to return or not.
I can be wrong, but possibly agree with you that Africa has an identity problem at its roots, you say you have destroyed the traditions ... well, then something must be done about it ... I do not think that the solution is to do nothing and mourn the destruction.
But you do not consider it personally, it's just my humble opinion.

procedure: next worst thing is to be possessed by demons.

I do not agree that the apostles sleep together as a matter of the devil.
I think it was an election of them.
We must understand that in antiquity there were other moral values.
At that time were normal certain types of relationships.
For example, adultery of Abraham and David were spoiled by God ...
Erl then we should not judge the behavior of the apostles with the concepts of today.

Pastor AIO: I gave examples in the OP of what I was looking for. Like the fact that christians can eat pork.

However the idea of a Messiah already exists in Judaism. Also the idea that we are the Temple of God already exists, I believe. So quoting the prophecy that says Messiah will bring God to dwell amongst us in his sanctuary is not invalid if you consider our Hearts the temple of God.

There were numerous candidates for messiah in various generations. Some Jews did accept Jesus as the messiah. That is how the whole christian movement started in the first place.

I'm sure if you thought about what you said you wouldn't claim that there is 'absolutely nothing in common' with christianity and Judaism. Just the name of the God, Jehovah is one thing in common. However the trinity of father son and holy ghost started in christianity.

I agree ..
I understand Christianity as an offshoot of Judaism. Both share the Old Testament, but Jesus' arrival marks a separation between them.
For Jews, Jesus is not the Messiah, was a prophet just like so many others.
In a way, Christianity is a cult is born separated from Judaism.
In my opinion, Jesus did not intend to found the Catholic Church.
The birth of the Catholic Church as such, the trilogy, the concept of hell ... were the result of councils that took place hundreds of years after the death of Jesus.
In fact, upon the death of Jesus, his followers split into different factions that fought each other for supremacy.

Negro_Ntns: Anyway, on the 8th and 16th order of divination, no they are not flaws or "holes" as you implied.

In an orchestra, you can compose and produce in the 8th or 16th harmonics and each will be beautiful.

Ifa was with our ancestors and they migrated with it. It was not a discovery along the way.

Dear friend:
I have followed with great interest your magnificent exhibition.
Could you explain more carefully the change from 8 to 16?
In America (I am referring to the African traditional religion in America) is in addition to IFA, another method of divination practiced with 8 cowries. This was implemented at the time by African slaves.
There is a history of that in Africa?

Dear friend:
You mentioned a very interesting and complex.
Personally, I do not think African policies regarding the dissemination of culture in America has been successful. Nor do I believe that the people chosen to make contact with the diaspora have done an effective job or at least seriously. Perhaps the city that retains the most original African traditions is Bahia in Brazil, but we must not forget that the reality of slavery in his time was not equal to that of Africa. For this reason I believe that there are two African, one in Africa, and one outside.
The project to which you refer is excellent and hopefully prosper.
My respectful greeting!

Do not worry about that dear friend ...
I really do, too. This happens with all men beautiful and intelligent ...

patriot2: I am happy we still have evidence of all these things we created, because here in Europe there is a general feeling that black people never created anything and that everything we have now was taught to us by whites, they even say that that was the aim and the good side of colonization. The people here believe we were roaming in the bushes like animals before colonization. Please could someone do a wide spread advert of our culture ?
Maybe we should make our own international TV news and show our history on it.

Hello dear friend:
I do not know the situation in Europe. I suppose that Europeans are too proud to recognize the values ​​of Africans. They convey that in Africa before colonization had not mathematicians, doctors, scientists ...
This position is to justify under the guise of colonization, all the atrocities they committed.
His documentaries on Africa show limited to lions and giraffes, and is never explained the meaning of tribal dances; only see a group of people jumping around like fools.
In my country (and also in Brazil) is a great respect for black culture. Possibly the most representative music of our people was created by African slaves. (candombe)
Also exist many individuals and organizations that disseminate African culture ...
But there is still much work to do.

You found a contradiction in the Bible ... There are millions of contradictions in the Bible ... and much more serious than that.

Joagbaje: We should not be slaves to dreams. Some dreams are meaningless . If care is not taken people will walk in fear over nothing. There is no general interpretation for dreams.

Exactly, that's the purpose of exposing God2man.
He, like most Christians seeks to create terror, fear ... Everything bad that happens is the fault of the devil! Even the dreams are of the devil! That is ridiculous.
That's not a coincidence. Worldwide Pentecostals seek to govern by fear. It's thought through on the psyche of people.
The result is the increase of the flock, and big economic gains for the pastor ...
This kind of sermons are not casuals.

Jakumo: As an ordained minister with Our Lady of Divine Debauchery Celestial Church, I can help you out with a few tips, but it will cost you serious money, thank you Jeeesus.

To whet your appetite for more details, I will for now list but a few of the pre-requisites you will need to become a Man of the Cloth, Nigeria-style.

1. You must feel completely at ease claiming ALL the monthly salaries of even the most destitute members of your congregation, under the pretext of saving their souls. In the same vein, you must be prepared to threaten God's most severe punishments for those reluctant to pay up. Those Holy Sanctions may include the vigorous public floggings of tightwads, administered by church orderlies acting under your instructions as relayed from God, while the wives of less serious offenders might be punitively boned per plea-bargin compromises. Shout Hallelujah with me now, please.

2. You must be prepared to hold private midnight prayer sessions and VIGILS for married female members of your congregation who seek your spiritual help to get pregnant, during which you will be expected to impale their Mounds of Venus with your throbbing Holy Septer, so as to get them knocked up in the name of Jeeesus, amen. Thank you Lord.

3. Un-married female church members of between 18 and 23 years old must be taken regularly for Holy Bathing, Baptisms, Silken Thighs and Wonders beside the nearest river you can find. The wenches will of course be required to strip down to their birthday suits, enabling you to administer the Laying on of Hands and Anointing of Golden Globes, all the while Speaking in Tongues between the luscious thighs of those bathing girls, in order that their sinful souls be saved in righteous glory, even as you get your rocks off in the name of the Holy Ghost.

4. You must live LARGE, as you grab more wealth from your congregation, by acquiring the latest S-Class Mercedes available, living in the most expensive neigborhoods worldwide, and ultimately purchasing a private jet, which is absolutely necessary for those personal appointments with Jeeeesus in heaven.

5. Most importantly of all, you must be prompt and loud, in accusing of blasphemy ALL who question your lifestyle, thus foolishly earning themselves eligibility for Divine Retribution, normally prompted by making payments to hit-men detailed to liquidate enemies of God in a hail of Holy Spirit gunfire. Let there be light, that they might knowest thine wrath, Oh Lord.

For the above nuggets of privileged information, I expect a check for $1,000 USD to be sent to me right away. Praise the Lord !

Great post. Congratulations.

The pastor bless the wives and unmarried young girls, while their husbands pay the tithe and then they work together to clean the church ...
Alleluia!

Jesus did not marry.
In fact, his parents, Joseph and Mary were married.
Nor did any of the apostles ...
What are we talking about?

Pastor Kun: Again sir, could you quote scriptural reference to your assertion that tithes is meant to propagate the gospel? Or are you just spewing out the lies your pastor told you in church?

He could quote Malachi 3:8 to 3:10. (Old Testament)
Deprice0 possibly be a Hebrew Levitical priest and therefore he is liable tithing ...

desperatem: For those who don't believe in existence of God and those who said islam is not the way. Read and watch this.

A man died at darocha street, moshilashi alhaja, agege on tuesday, as a muslim he was taken to jafojo cemetery immediately, after the man was buried the amazing thing happened

An image of sheik Ibrahim Inyas surfaced on the wall just beyond the grave, people were shocked, a man sat on the floor and started shouting, Allah, allah!

Before they arrive the dead man's house at darocha street, another image of sheik inyas showed on the wall again, the image is there up till now though its receding on the wall now but you can still see it barely, especially at night, it glows

I saw it myself this is not a super stroy! I even collect the video of the cemetery on my fone but i dunno how to post videos on NL and i also snap the one on the dead man's wall. Its on my camera. Wow God is great!

You are saying that perhaps there was a miracle?
A miracle would be that the dead back to life ...
Images appear on the walls, in my opinion is really stupid.
I do not think god, allah or Magoya waste time on that.
regards,

Akwasi: The source further revealed that, during the one week celebration of Pastor Agyare’s death at Akrokerri, Pastor Prince Asiedu and other church members were chased with machetes and cudgels by the family. Pastor Agyare is survived by his wife, and a one-year-old baby boy

Every day we read posts by many Catholics here explaining the importance of going to church and pray. They cite the biblical passages they express that everything bad that happens is the fault of the devil, and we must pay a tithe to the pastor ...
Before that speech, I imagined that in these churches was peaceful, it was a place where everyone found his inner peace ... I was wrong.
That a pastor prosecute suits is something very ugly ... There is nothing of God in that ...
This film looks like a bandit ...
As for the death of a Pastor at the time of giving his sermon ... will be an action of the devil who took over his church? or be the work of God, who is tired of quackery and that they waived tithes on their behalf?

LSkooker: A dream can mean something or may not mean anything.
Christians believes that its not a good sign.

On the one hand say that Christians should not believe in superstitions, but on the other side are the first to believe that a dream can bring bad luck?
is a game in which the only aim is for commercial uptake.
It has nothing to do with the devil in all this.
If someone wants to meet the devil, going to a church and you will see a tithe collecting personal gain.

God2man: Can you remember other things apart from the pregnancy?
For now,I can only say that it is the wicked activity of the incubus, spirit husband, you need to call on God to seperate you from this unknown demon. Also, go for counselling, and deliverance prayer.
God bless you. God2man.

That a woman has a dream does not mean that's no devil's work!
You should not create unfounded fears a woman.
I do not think to associate every situation in life with a demon is the way to explain everything that happens.
A dream can mean something or may not mean anything.
I do not think that religious fanaticism based help terrify people.
And much less to recommend a church, because if the woman is a problem then when she has to pay the tithe to the pastor she has another problem.

In my country (Uruguay), in times of slavery different ethnic groups, in a time of year, playing their drums announcing public for each group to present his music. That fact was born what is now known as "llamadas" (calls). Of these festivals was born a rhythm called "Candomble" which is something symbolic in my country.
It's a rhythm created by blacks, but absolutely adore all the people here.
Regards!