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RealityKings1:
I regret alot of things but I wouldn't change anything if I had a chance to.
These experiences are part of living

Liar. You'd make some different choices. Only thing is, you'd never get the chance so might as well be content with the ones you made

Gabrielshow24:
Truthseeker is just pulling your legs. He doesn't have anything useful to add. The other guy, gohf, doesn't have a point. All his premises can be destroyed if you ask him to define what a "God" should be🤕.

All these anti-Christs pretending to be christians but negate the very fact of scripture that Jesus is God! Also, My use of nairaland has been greatly hampered by the bot, which seems to target me with reckless abandon👀— which delayed my response to this thread, irrespective let's see if this message stands or gets me banned😁.

You mean truthseeker10
I think it is a combination of overthinking and brainwashing. If you just relax you'd instinctively know that Jesus is NOT like Moses or anyone else.
Maxindhouse has admitted He is divine but still has to pay lip service to JW teaching He was like Moses. The rest will also admit it to themselves if not publicly. Jesus is simply one with God, the rest were not. Simple. You just know it.
That bot is something else. Banned me for an hour yesterday

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂are you saying that the bible does not represent the Nigerian tribune in your analogy?

You the one said the Bible is the Nigerian Tribune🤣😂
Since you're incapable of analogy, let's put it another way: you say people who heard from the pope are wrong because you read what he said somewhere 1000's of miles away in a different language

Truthseeker10:
Your reply above has nothing to do with the question. Are you saying that we cannot know If Jesus is the Almighty God in Genesis 17:1?

Genesis 1:26 refers to (Almighty) God yet it is plural

Truthseeker10:
😂😂The bible is the Nigerian tribune now?😂

Our man has no sense of analogy. He takes everything literally🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Truthseeker10:
If Jesus is the one God that is the Almighty God, explain John 14:28.

I already told you man lacks the capacity to fully grasp God.
But you can look at it this way:
The highest peak of Mount Everest is greater than all other of it's peaks, yet they are all same ONE mount Everest.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂You can't know better Even with the bible in your hand? Did you ever ask the pope where Jesus said he was equal with God?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's like those in the Vatican telling you what the new pope said and you're telling them they're wrong because you read it in Nigerian Tribune!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂You can't know better Even with the bible in your hand? Did you ever ask the pope where Jesus said he was equal with God?

Before we continue, Google the meaning of "analogy" then get back to me. The pope has nothing to do with the discussion

Truthseeker10:
😂😂So Jesus is the one in Genesis 17:1?

In my version of Christianity we only have one God. How many are in yours?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂na wa. An analogy that assert that even with your Bible in hand, the pope has to tell you what Jesus did not say. Na wa oo😂😂

I hope I haven't been discussing with a total dunce. It was just an ANALOGY!!!
Same way you can't know better than those in the Vatican what the new pope said!

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Baba don hook. You claimed "Almighty God" is my language na. Who spoke the one in Genesis 17:1? Was it Jesus?

There is only one God. Adding "almighty" to it doesn't change anything

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so now your knowledge is based on the Catholic church and not what Jesus said in the bible? 😂

It is an anology.
I hope you know what that means!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

gohf:
the devil went to the woman and asked is there any tree God said you should not eat from. There are questions that are demonic because they avoid God's revealed truth.

So because I and my wife are one, it means my wife is me. So because Christ and the disciples and church are one, it means we are Christs. So because we abide in him and he is us, it means we are Jesus?


What should I say to one who if you had ears you would hear what the Holy Spirit is saying

Once again, Jesus is God the son of God (He is not like Moses or any other person). If he is not, tell us what he is

gohf:
you don't know how anybody can be arguing that? Are you blind? Are you not reading what is written for you to write you don't know how anybody can argue that.

So to you Jesus must be God if he isn't then he is nothing. Irrespective of what God says, irrespective of what Jesus says, irrespective of the disciples and apostles wrote. Jesus must be God to you. If you want to know WHO JESUS IS, I have topics dedicated to bringing out scriptures and gospel verses in that regard you can read them.

Simple: Jesus is God, if He is not tell us what he is. No need for long thesis

Truthseeker10:
Explain Genesis 17:1. Is that my language also?

I don't have to explain anything. You are the one differentiating God from God so you do the explaining

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so because the people were there means that they could never have the wrong perception of Jesus. The same people who accused Jesus of going against ceasar?

Anything is possible but if people in the Vatican with the new pope are saying he is claiming to be God, I can't be in Nigeria, thousands of miles away, don't speak Italian nor a Catholic and know better than them.
Not to talk of after it's been thousands of years!

MaxInDHouse:
OP's question:
If Jesus Is God Why Did He Say "Pray to Our Father"?


At times i just leave them with whatever they think so far it doesn't make sense but they want to keep it.
The OP knows what he's asking but these people will complicate issues and later say:

I answered OP's question with my FTC

gohf:
and yet Jesus corrected them or are you saying he later lied and deceived them because he was afraid of being killed?

Can you tell us where Jesus said he was not divine.
"Once you've seen me you've seen the Father"
"I and the Father are one"
"I am in the Father and the Father is in me"

gohf:
you're oneness? You believe Jesus is God our Father?

Jesus is God. I don't know how anybody can be arguing that. If not, tell us what he is

Truthseeker10:
So you don't know if Jesus is the Almighty God?😂

I know Jesus is God. "Almighty God" is your language. I leave that explanation to you

Truthseeker10:
So what made you think that their implications were right even when Jesus never said he was equal with God?

How do you know what Jesus never said?
This is thousands of years later. I am thousands of miles away from a totally different era and culture, don't speak the language nor know the culture. Even the very name I use, "Jesus", He was never called. Yet, based on some words remembered and misremembered, translated and mistranslated, transliterate, manipulated, mangled, you want me to overrule people who were right there and heard and saw everything. Wehdone

Truthseeker10:
😂😂So "I am" is not the same as "JHVH". Are you saying that biblical Jews did not take "JHVH" as the name of God?

To them God had several names. One of them was "I Am"

Truthseeker10:
Lol...so is there an explanation that you can give me now that will counter the diagram and that will fully explain the nature of God? If no....is your idea about God not as faulty as the diagram since you cannot explain the full nature of God?

I know there is only one God. I know Jesus is God. And I know the Father is also God

Truthseeker10:
What is wrong with the diagram?

God cannot be diagramed by man. We lack the capacity to fully know the nature of God

Truthseeker10:
is "I am" the same as "JHVH"?

To biblical Jews whose entire existence revolved around these things, "I Am" is the name of God

Truthseeker10:
So when Jesus said "I am", was he talking of his length of existence or identity?

I was not there. People who were there and heard him directly and saw his expressions thought he was implying he was God

Truthseeker10:
by saying divine, do you mean he was the Almighty God?

We know he is God. We know he is not like Moses and the rest. We lack the capacity to fully know the nature of God

Truthseeker10:
Does Jesus claiming oneness with God meant that he was God almighty?

He was/is divine (not like Moses or any others). That's all we humans know. We lack the capacity to know much more than that

Truthseeker10:
In the context of the verse that you quoted, was Jesus identity the issue or the length of his existence?

Both

Truthseeker10:
What does "I AM" mean?

To biblical Jews, that's God's name

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the diagram below?

No

gtassure:
Did you read the judgement at all? It wasn't a blanket judgement. Some were jailed (up to 2 years) while some had community service (up to 1 year) some were giving option of fine and restitution to their victim. While all their properties were forfeited to FGN!

Did you read the headline - Court Jails 32 Internet Fraudsters In Ibadan, Osogbo

Only ONE person was sentenced to one year without option of fine, and the other 4 months (which you can be sure they won't end up serving)

Court DID NOT "Jail 32 Internet Fraudsters In Ibadan, Osogbo"