₦airaland Forum

Amarabae:
In the background,
I am seeing Tafawa balewa and the killer of biafran innocent children.

You must be referring to Ojukwu. He foolishly started a war he had no means to win and still stubbornly refused to compromise when he had clearly lost the war, he kept sacrificing the cream of his people for vain glory. Imagine distributing 10,000 cutlasses to young men to go and face machine guns, is that not sheer madness. Instead of evacuating civilians from Enugu and Awka when he knows the Nigerian Army would soon start shelling the towns, he said they should defend it to the last man with any weapon they lay their hands on....what manner of retarded thinking is that. It's a great pity and a shame what happened in that terrible 1960s in Nigeria.
We had no founding fathers, from the North to the South, We had men who selfishly allowed their ego and prejudice to destroy the foundation of something that could have turned out well.

gidgiddy:
What was Howon exactly hopping that Ojukwu would do? What kind of Soldier who is facing iminent death if captured will stay back to be killed when he has an escape route?

It would have been very stupid of Ojukwu to allow himself to be captured and killed by Nigeria when he had a way to escape.

Only a foolish Soldier will allow himself to be captured by his enemy when he has the option of escape

He could have done a hitler, its the same thing ship captains do, remember the titanic captain.

BrutalJab:
Weren't you told to use your spare money? Na greed kill you so o.

As for MMM, their 100% is still working buh guys don find another source of income since o.

So if i have spare money to buy land, i should then buy from scammers because nah spare money. I cant just believe this, i think some people were born fools. What is worse than a fool is a greedy fool.

coluka:
What says it all is that you are so ignorant of your history that you don't know that of the three masterminds of that coup, one of them was a Yoruba (Adewale Ademoyega) in fact the ultimate aim of that coup was to free Awolowo from jail and make him prime minister. Not my words. Go and read "Why we struck" by Adewale Ademoyega. He is your fellow Yoruba. Learn the truth and stop listening to fables by people who were not involved in the matter

That may be the case, but it could also mean he was trying to justify his being part of the coup as a yoruba man. But whatever the case may be, the executors were 90% Ibos.

Which struggle Ojukwu start since 1957. Nah new new strange things person dey hear, abi nah 1967 he want talk. Even that 1967 plan was not well-planned, it was full of errors and prone to failure from scratch.

str8talk1:
Yes, this rub.bish is what nairaland retards mods will be quick to post while that relates to the genocide committed on the Christian Igbos in the South East by the Islamic Army of Nigeria will be suppressed.

Shame on you all.

Stop Shouting Genocide up and down, which genocide? That word is being incorrectly used in the Biafran context.

donshaddow:
Doing that right now

add orima

Amarabae:
na starch eaters cause am!
They want to compare their hungryselves to Igbos in food,
who born them,
lols

Well, it is said that you learnt how to eat all those leaves during a time you were hungry and had nothing to eat....so pls dont call people hungry because they have not mastered how to eat all forest leaves or because they have not carried their hunger-induced delicacies to all the nooks and crannies of the world

Amarabae:
be quiet,
edo have no popular food,
Igbos lead this country in food together with Akwacross,
Igbos dont have forest? Are you trying to crack a joke?
Go and sit down kid
#BURN

The same can be said about all these ones you listed Oha,Nsala,Onugbu,Ukazi,Achara,Okro, Ugu, Ogbono ilo except okro. Okro is not exclusive to Ibos, it is a national food. Ogbono is a local delicacy everywhere in the south except in the west. Only a westerner or northerner that stayed in the east or has an eastern wife knows these Ibo soup. Growing up in Lagos in the 80s you only get egusi and draw in ibo food canteen,. the others are unknown and still very much unknown. Bitter leaf soup is even more popular than them and in popularity they are at par with groundnut soup.

So sad for the loss of life.....but it is an unverified report and i would have expected more mourners in death of such circumstances and as a relative of such a personality.

AnanseK:
Listen

"This Nnmadi Kanu.. Am sure his children are not in Nigeria. Now let me explain this to you. Even Ojukwu that started this Biafra of a thing, he was in the military back then, he had soldiers backing him up, he had some countries supporting him and still when the war became too much, the gallant soldier as you people call him ran away and left the casualties behind. Note that his children are not part of this war. I so much respect Ojukwu but with all his backings and ammunitions and rest, Nigeria didn't succumb to him. Now nnmadi kanu has no soldiers backing him up, no countries, no other tribes in Nigeria, even not all Igbos want Biafra. Now tell me how do you want to win if you start a war?? Think well. Don't just kill innocent people all in the name of Biafra, don't waste your precious life all in the name of Biafra. Don't let anybody use you, hustle hard, get rich, enjoy life."

It is the same mistakes happening all over again. Ojukwu himself made the same mistakes, even if your cause is just if you cannot fight and get it, dont bother, bid your time or you would simply be slaughtered. Our Elders say until you can wield the sword, you dont go asking for who killed your father. Ojukwu consulted civilians and declared biafra claiming no black nation can defeat him on land, sea and air but his generals did not know what he was talking about. The Biafran Army Officers were not consulted before the declaration and neither were the necessary logistics and administrative tasks required to successfully prosecute the war done. He just went in headlong and withing weeks, he has been sent packing from his headquarters.

Oildichotomy:
This raw materials export mentality by successive Nigerian governments is very sickening going forward.
The same thing is happening with our yams (bio-ethanol) all because of the immediate dollar proceeds they get in the name of revenue. They always refuse to think longterm and the associated consequences.

They should ask themselves why is India putting such humongous amount for our beans? Can we develop our beans and track the value added and probably get more revenue?

We have a large bunch of deadend nitwits in power who don't think beyond their immediate lure for temporary cash.

Nonsense.

You sabi chop pulse beans? How many people sabi the beans gan sef. If China decides to buy the sawdust wasting away now in our sawmill, that is when we would remember it can be used to make car.
Has Thailand and other Asian countries not been exporting rice to us for decades. India says they can die for pulse beans and currently i dont know what these pulse beans state produces, they are broke to pieces, so if they can turn their wasting lands into pulsebeans land and earn good money, that would be fantastic. Agricultural commodities sale is still a huge market that even developed countries play in, beef, fish corn etc are still widely traded.

goaldynman:
These riffraffs that calls themselves governors thinks they can kill the will of the people! They don't know that power belongs to the people! They are trying to protect their positions but that is in vain!

Moreiver, the executives does not have the power to proscribe an organization! It is only the court of law that has the power to do so!!

Since when did IPOB start listening or obeying the courts of the ''zoo'' . It is a series of unfortunate but preventable events that led to the first world war and the left-over problem created the WW2, same series of foolish decisions and clash of egos led to the Biafran war, the sour taste it left is also pulling us towards another disaster. Sane Heads are needed now more than ever.

Proudlyngwa:
You are being unfair to the Indian with that.

The sub continent of India was far more navigable and a steady route for a lot of things.
It has had varying stages of civilization and conquest


India might never have been a warring dynasty but it was a circular route with constant travel and cultural integration.

Not trying to be unfair, because they have had a great history for thousands of years, they gave the world sex education, algebra and a host of fine stuffs. But like you said it was just within the indian subcontinent, they never bothered to venture far beyond the khyber pass, the mountains of afghanistan nor did they slug it out with the chinese. They did well trading among themselves in the subcontinent. They remain divided in different small kingdoms that even black indentured/slaves from eastern africans the siddis were able to carve out kingdoms for themselves. Despite that things still got to them, they were not too far behind in the happenings around the world but that cannot be said of sub-saharan Africa and i blame the desert for it .
Once people that matters see that great sea of sand, it was like that was the end of the world, the berbers, bedoins and tuaregs live in the desert and so could get to the fringes of existence but how much knowledge did these goat herders had to offer when things where shaping up in the Mediterranean, then they were even worse off than us, they were bandits and marauders scourging the desert and being a terror to anyone who venture into it.

Then also look at places like South America and the Caribbeans, places that were not separated by sand but by a great ocean, what kind of civilization grew there, the aztecs, the various warring native american tribes, the aborigines, they were no different from us. When the civilizations of the Mediterranean came they swept them all away in a few decades just like us, not because we were not brave but becaue we had been cut off from knowledge, we were kindergartens in a University environment and we are still playing catch-up.

Proudlyngwa:
The desert was never a hindrance as there was a trade route across the desert all the way to the Congo basin. Like I said, the problem was across the horizontal coastlines and it's corresponding forests. It was not easy to move men and resources across it to capture new territories, therefore things like building fortresses, weapons on large scale and transportation methods could not be learned.
Also we had a lot of mangrove swamps with its associated illnesses making people to label them as evil forests and keep away from them, thereby damping the spirit of exploration.
South of the Niger was just not worth it in an expansionist view and somehow comfortable making them not to evolve.

Am not disputing any of the above facts but its also a fact that travel across the Sahara desert is tough and not for the faint hearted. in fact while the forest and mangrove etc has been conquered now, travelling through the desert is still very tough till now. In the middle ages crossing such a zone (especially without mechanized transport) is worthwhile only when exceptional circumstances cause the expected gain to outweigh the cost and danger. The caravans would be guided by highly paid Berbers who knew the desert and could ensure safe passage from their fellow desert nomads. The survival of a caravan was precarious and would rely on careful coordination. Runners would be sent ahead to oases so that water could be shipped out to the caravan when it was still several days away, as the caravans could not easily carry enough with them to make the full journey.
Now while merchants can take such risks because of expected gains, the ample dissemination of ideas, sharing of ideas, acculturation was near impossible by scholars, journeymen, adventurers was difficult compare that to rome adopting greek ideas and appropriating, the Arabs learning all they can from past european civilization and india and then Europe waking from their slumber and ushering a new dawn. Then look at scholars moving from Italy to study at the great library in Alexandria in Egypt, English scholars going to German universities and russia eventually catching up by importing scholars to their schools, all happening with relative travel ease. Such synergy aided them a lot.

While such knowledge was available just north of the sahara and shared among them and it spread all the way to india and china. It never got here until milleniums later, by the time it came it was in trickles through islamic scholars. Was there a deliberate policy by these people not to bring it down south. No, its just that people dont just go down south, only few daredevils and sherlocks and later religious zealots. Europe knew about china, india places farther than here long before they had a sniff of us.
Almost everybody in world has learnt to write extensively for hundreds and thousands of years, here we could not write down our thoughts, except in very few places where we use a primitive form of hieroglyphics such he nsibidi writings, but Egypt has been writing their history for thousands of years even before the greeks, the romans, saxons, celts, franks. Why didn't we even get to know how to write, there was a need for it, we even tried to do it but others up north learnt from each other and moved in light-year leaps while we were barely crawling.

Proudlyngwa:
The Sahara desert was not a problem. It was the uncharted Niger and it's surrounding mangroves that was the issue. The were almost unpassable.

Greed is a human nature.
Black Africans take theirs to an unforgiving level.
As you rightly said lack of necessity made us stagmant

Even if we chart the Niger, and how much would that achieve?. We would still be revolving around people with similar knowledge and know-how, with similar food etc. Then it was difficult to chart the Niger because if you venture just from warri to kainji, you would have crossed the territories of the of Edos, the Ibos, the Igalas, and other tribes with varying allegiances and you cant guarantee that you would make the journey to a good distance. Of course every tribe /people could navigate masterfully its own section of the river, but to take on the whole river, you would need a King with Jurisdiction or Diplomatic power across a great section of the river to achieve such and no such power emerged due to various reasons.

The acclaimed first centre of Civilization was the sumerian/babylonian, then the egyptians, assyrians, babylonians, greeks romans etc. the people of these cultures were able to pass knowledge easily from one to the other and they all copied and improved on each others architecture, religion, science etc. It led to a boom fro them, great empires were created which facilitated peace for decades and centuries allowing prosperity and learning.

After the collapse of the Roman empire, tribal warlords took over and Europe became balkanized, the shift and momentum i advancement went to the Islamic Caliphates and other Asian Civilizations that could maintain large territories, the Huns became great when ghengis khan brutalized them into an Empire, the Indian's best years were the years of the Mughal Emperors, China with all its dynasties stretched across vast areas and knowledge florished. In fact Europe forgot about themselves and had to learn about their past from Arabic literature, because when their empires were about to decline, the sun of the Islamic caliphates was about to rise and they have painstakingly written down all they have learnt from others.
Sub-saharan Africa started became noticed by the rest of the world when the Arab Merchants and Preachers conquered the desert and talked about people beyond the desert. They brought with them knowledge we didn't have, religion we didnt know and a host of other things that have become commonplace north of the desert.

Proudlyngwa:
They traded more with the tauregs and Arabs.
Or rather the Arabs and tauregs traded more with them.

That is why you have more Arabic induced Hausa in west Africa, because they had medium of transport from Mali, Senegal Benin, Ghana to Nigeria, what does that tell you about the flow of trade it was more north of the Niger. That is a vertical movement. The Great Benin empire did not exceed from on it's happening to dahomey and it was very limited.

No matter how you want to see it, interaction within west Africa was very limited. Due to the nature of the terrains it was easier to go from London to Bavaria than to go from on it's happening to the Congo or Dahomey to Senegal. The terrain was terribly unnavigable and not worth it.

The exploration you talked about was between Atlantic and pacific, there had always been sea faring around the Mediterranean.

The terrain was harsh and difficult to traverse, but india had similar rain forest and mountainous terrain and they did a great deal of trading, though it was people that came to them and they didnt do much of the reaching out probably because they also did not have a need to. Large expansive empires and conquest is very tough to achieve in such places. Such conquest generally allows for peace to reign, knowledge to be stored and preserved and learning to be prioritized.

Proudlyngwa:
Vertical routes were transsaharan routes.
Horizontal routes were trans Atlantic.
Western Africa could not trade with their selves due to the nature of their forests and coastal lines but could trade with the Arabs due to the savanna plains.

That being said trade and interaction was very limited along the west African and Central African region in respect to the European and Asian regions as I mentioned earlier due to no domesticated mode of transport i.e camels and horses..

The Europeans had mastered sea travel long before the coming of our lord Jesus.

That is past now.
What is holding the black man from moving forward is what has held them from moving forward in all ages.

Greed, prejudice, mental Laziness and god mentality.

Greed, prejudice etc are human frailties and it is evident in all cultures, it is probably more apparent in the european/asian cultures than Africa at least with respect to scale.

I would say Necessity and the disconnect from the cradle and centers of civilization caused by the forbidding sahara desert made made us be light years behind.

ernieboy:
"
west africans did not trade with themselves"
who did they trade with then. Europeans were not able to venture far out into the seas until they developed navigational technology that could help in sea travel. FYI the age of exploration started around the 16th century. read more about it here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Discovery

Europeans mastered the seas during the age of discovery and exploration. Before then the Mediterranean sea has been mastered long before Jesus came. Ships were going from Asia minor all the way to Spain. The Mediterranean Civilization was built on sea voyages, trading was primarily done by sea. There is evidence that Norsemen got to America centuries before Columbus or Vespucci. Africans traded along land corridors mainly, there was negligible trading if any at all across any seas.

In fact Islands that are very close to Africa such as Madagascar was first populated by people from the Indian Ocean, from as far away as borneo. Seychelles is even a closer island but African Tribes closer to it never inhabited it either because they don't have too because there was no reason to or the trouble to travel the seas was too much to handle.

sexybbstar:
Lol...I was eager to knw how it tastes like.

It's taste is wonderful

Reference:
Typical primitive African. The summary of his life is what goes into his stomach. That is his legacy to mankind.

Typical uncle Tom

That's a free kick not a yellow card

Statsocial:
Who sentenced Ananias and Saphiras to death?

God struck them dead because they knowingly lied before him. They didn't die because they insulted Peter.

Ratello:
Free that kid my brother he is a blind and irrational follower of Fashola who can't think straight

It's time for you and your crew to take a bow. The argument has been won by the other side through logical and coherent superior argument.
Thank you for your spirited effort and time.

hmmm interesting

sirxbit:
which creator? The same creator that creat children with deformity? Oh thats not a mistake its a perfect creation?

God created man perfect, man corrupted himself and his offspring with sin, from sin came all woes, deformity and death.

folakemigeh:
why haven't you? shy?

Many married men have done this without blinking. Some have travelled for months out of home and did not have sex throughout the period

attackgat:
Not any more. Britain that created Nigeria gace one of its areas, Northern Ireland, a referendum in 1973

The same Britain gave another one of its Regions, Scotland, a referendum in 2014.

There was no need for any war. But if Britain had said "we are one Britain"

"The unity of Britain is not negotiable"

"We must be one"

By now, Britain would have been at war with its self.

Britain is a far more civilised country and uses referendum in situations where Nigerians use guns and bullets.

Britain even used referendum to leave the EU last year

Not the same at all. Britain comprises autonomous region of England, Wales, Scotland. They are autonomous regions. While UK is England Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. These autonomous regions have a choice to pull out of the union, which made those referendums possible. England cant stop Scotland from having a referendum because she has no constitutional powers to stop it according to their arrangement.

The Parallel to Nigeria would be if Wessex region of England which includes London and other major towns wants to pull out of England.

Bluetooth2:
The oba and his chiefs are very sick. He doesn't own Nigeria and can't stop the man from living in Edo state. Very stupiid monarch!

You called him stupid, when you can not even interpret what you have watched. The place the chiefs led the man to, is that the border of Edo State? A king sent a man out of his palace for disrespecting him and you call him stupid......that tells us more about you.

henryobinna:
you were just blabbing and couldn't condemm the act.
How the hell did a citizen 'bannish' another citizen with equal rights as his?

what manner of rubbish is that?

Dont just read headlines, in the video in what way was he banished from the kingdom. He was sent out of the palace.

maddie24:
pls someone should answer this question"fuccking a girl you are nt married to or fuccking a married woman"which is worst......? Remember they say no big or small sin

its like when you see someones's wallet on the floor and you took it and didn't bother to return it compared to when you stole a wallet from someone's pocket. Some things are weakness others are wickedness...Big Difference. Even for Bible Sin get grade.

attackgat:
The Ekwulobia tragedy would not have occured if the Nigerian security agencies stop acting like hooligans and realise that the weapons issued to them is not for shooting unarmed people.

Nigerians can be funny, they think the unlawful shooting of unarmed people started with IPOB.

In history, there is hardly any secessionist movement without bloodshed and war. The parent country would always resist and fight back, especially if ethnic and religious feelings are roused.