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Maybe we should hear some exploits of some of these our ancestors although very many would have been exaggerated. 
Pardon me if this is derailing the thread.
My maternal great-grandfather was said to be the first person to buy a gramophone and garri processing mill in my mum's village. He was also said to have accompanied his friend to jail, he believed his friend was innocent of the charges by the colonial authorities and asked them to lock both of them up which they promptly did.

Both friends made a pact in prison that when their wives give birth and they are opposite sexes, the two babies will be betrothed and that was how my grandparents were joined before birth. While a teenager, my grand mom took ill and was taken to a faraway village and my grand dad did not come to visit her, so she got angry and broke the relationship and later married another man who had the same name as my grand dad (to deceive the juju).

But she bore no child and she was told she has to come back to my grand dad before she can bear a child, she did that and gave birth to my mum.

Sorry for taking your time.










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DaRapture:
I'm Black-American, a descendant of Slaves and immigrants, and it seems as though I can trace my ancestry back further than most of you Africans.

Its not surprising you can do that. Records where kept by slave raiders of where their ship got slaves from, where it berthed, who bought who and from where. It was basically a business transaction and so records were meticulously kept in very many cases.

But here people just basically live their lives and pass on, no records where kept. The people who would be able to trace their lineage thru oral traditions would be those from royal families or those with famous warriors and hunters.

The most ancient person i heard of in my family was my great-great-grandfather, who was said to be a giant and sweeps his compound with a tree, can't imagine that.

The Egbere has human features like that of a child, but with enough roughness and hardness that you would know its not human. It goes its own ways and is not violent.

I have not heard of Ahiku, but there is 'abiku' in the nigerian myth also known as 'ogbanje'.

Kobojunkie:
Regular cleaning takes care of all that. I am not certain if you were around back in the 80's when Nigeria made sense. The state had a cleaning/maintenance team that went around cleaning streets and gutters at least once a month. That went a long way in abating problems of flooding even with the limited capacity of drainage systems in the state back then.

I was around back in the 80's at least from the mid to late 80's, though i don't know where you grew up, but in my neighborhood, the rickety truck disposal comes once a month, stays on the major road and honks and we all run after it to dump our stuff, half of it littering everywhere. Then in the 90's everything ceased, not a single truck disposing waste.

Then Tinubu brought the private scheme and Fashola really expanded on that, now the trucks are very many, a considerable number are new and they enter inner streets albeit comes like once every week into the streets. The scheme is working well in most areas. But they need to do something about the markets and those who dump waste on the roads early in the morning for the trucks to pick up later. i hate it when am driving to work at 5am and refuse bags are everywhere but by 9 they are gone.

FXKing2012:
As much as I cherish freedom of speech, I don't think we should abuse it by hurting others with our words. The people abusing these pastors have absolutely no proof that they stole church money, so itz kinda crazy calling them guilty even without trial and with no evidence.

Besides, Jesus says you must be persecuted if you are a true follower of him. So the fact that these pastors are being abused, insulted and called all sorts of names just to persecute them shows they are in deed true.

And who are we to sit in judgement of a pastor or anybody for that matter?

You sure you know what persecution is? please check the scriptures. The scriptures said persecuted for righteousness sake, not because you are flaunting wealth, slapping people, faking miracles and all the nonsense we see these people doing today.

Rossikk:
rabzy said

My brotha, this is simply not true with the system I posted. Those drains are covered. That metal grid thing there cannot take in large amounts of trash, except maybe a few leaves or small stones. Even in London, some people throw their trash on the streets, but the drains are covered, so all that's done is the authorities get street sweepers to clear up the streets during the early hours of the morning.

okay maybe i exaggerated the number of times, but those dirts come from other places too not just from the streets. i agree that this is the way to go and i mentioned some streets tarred by fashola that has covered drainages. My point is that, there should be more awareness and re-orientation by the government in conjunction with constructing covered drains.

I have even seen some of these street sweepers, (i accosted one at Ajose adeogun in V.I) sweeping the sands from the streets into those iron openings. What they normally do is that they sweep the sands off the paved road and pack them into bags to be disposed off later, but this guy did not want to bother with the bags, he was just sweeping them into the openings.

Rossikk:
What the hell does ''drainage maintenance'' mean in a city filled with open sewers and open gutters?

These so called leaders are complete idio.ts. In 2012 we're still walking around looking at and 'clearing out' open gutters when in even a half-civilized place, there is no such thing as open gutters.

Why can't Fashola and his ilk do what cities like London and co did hundreds of years ago? Establish COVERED drainage on ALL streets as a matter of policy. Build pedestrian SIDEWALKS along all roads, with the adjoining drains COVERED:

https://www.wigan.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/9E73E5DB-F06A-41ED-81D8-664A3FAA868E/0/GullyonNewMarketStreet.jpg
In this UK pic, the gutter runs alongside the pavement, but is covered, apart from those metal grids inserted every 20 yards or so along the road, and which are opened and cleaned out once a year by the authorities.

When you DO THIS, then you do not need to get people to dig up and 'clean the gutters' every week on 'clean up days' and what not. The environment is kept clean and spotless, and pedestrian/driver friendly, with no stress.

I mean, what is wrong with these ignorant bozos who call themselves our leaders??

I dont mind if they do it the way you suggested, i know there are couple of streets fashola tarred in Alimosho local govt and they were all covered up nicely with walk-ways, e.g Olugbede street and some others i pass thru but dont know their names, i think also Ekoro road in Abule-egba was done that way, the long stretch of Lasu-iyana iba road was also covered up.

But my problem is you need to know the rate at which people are filling them up with trash, the government would have to clean them up at least 4 times a year. The environment can't be clean and spotless when everybody throws trash out of cars and dump dirt in street corners.
I have taught all my siblings not to ever throw things out of cars or buses and to discourage others from doing it, the only problem is people easily get annoyed when i try dissuading them.

Lagos state as a matter of policy has to take this drive to schools, let them compose songs about it and let children sing them, and also instruct the kids to take the message home to their parents and friends. We need more than TV adverts and radio announcements to change people's attitude.

diluminati:
this is unfair really 

i have investments worth N6m, i have 3 siblings, girls for that matter under my care and they are just 10, 12 and 15 years. My dad left when i was just 5 and my Mum, late. My girlfriend has been my pillar all through the years right from my varsity days.
I dont know what to do now  it seems reality is fading away from my eyes. i'm broken. i cant leave her, that will be the end of me and she cant either. i cant leave my siblings, no i cant.

Before the publicized announcement and the subsequent passage of the law, would you have been able to be consummate your marriage. Valid marriages in Nigeria before the law are either traditional or court marriage, before now i have never heard of same-sex marriage been allowed under such institutions. So crying over this is not necessary, it was never going to happen in the first place.

Whats happening, i stay in lagos. Maybe i can persuade a my sister to join.

ebere1712:
Why did those foolish Nigerian men fight for the smelly English men. They have got no respect for themselves; that is why they never even got a simple thank you. You have to value yourself first before another values you. Look at it this way; a criminal comes to your house and murders your sons, Desecrates your wives, and steals your stuff. You have been defeated, but he doesn't go away. He stays put and make you pay him a percentage of your income as tax. You are perpetually reminded that you have been defeated. Then suddenly they are faced with a war threatening to destroy them, and they ask for your help. Instead of you to use that avenue to liberate yourself, you go and fight and die for them. Aren't you silly. You should at least have bargained your freedom in the process. So people those boys are cowards and not heroes. They fought for their own oppressors. The real heroes fought to their death to protect their civilization. They are groups like the aro warriors of igboland, the mau mau of Kenya and many other factions. If this groups ever had the chance to come together they would have finished the silly criminal invaders. Don't wanna annoy anyone but I just gotta say this.

You are very annoying and you need to cut of the raving foolishness in you that made you write the above nonsense.

tempest01:
Y'all are ignorant bunches, being a witch is different from being possessed, though u can be a witch and be possessed. The pastor is human, and is prone to anger. When God's temple was used to change money and as a market place, how did Jesus react We are letting the morals and customs of another place influence us.

We were just discussing this in the office, a colleague said he was there when it happened, another that went to covenant University was wondering why the fuss about it, that it happened like two years ago and also it was no the first time he is slapping people during service. Many are aware that he also lay curses on people. This Man is not acting like he is human, he is acting like he is a demi-god, able to seal people's fate and condemn people to eternal damnation. If he is human and its a mistake why is he not admitting and why is he repeating them.

[quote author=owo2000% link=topic=827117.msg9793891#msg9793891 date=1324269797]Calm down folks! Our father Bishop David Oyedepo is a servant of God and a man. In John 2:15 Jesus had to to display some measure of physical authority. 

John 2: 15 So he made a[b] whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

I am so tired of all you whining, weak and fruitless folks. The woman claimed she was a witch. The Bishop must have reacted out of disgust on hearing her.[/quote]This Girl is said to be possessed by an evil spirit, so she is not in control of herself, so how why would Oyedepo slapped the girl and abuse her. It is wrong for for him to slap her. The people that were chased out by Jesus were thieves and robbers and they were in the wrong place, the traders knew what they were doing, a demon-possessed person is possessed i.e she is controlled by other forces, so he is not suppose to vent his anger on her.

Jesus Christ was called many things by many people, witnesses lied against him to his very face and he was slapped during his trials. So what disrespect are some people talking about here. The man had no right legally and no christian principles on which he would base his actions.

Ozichim:
I can make my points clearer if need be. I try to be mild since I'm no ready to ague with any watchtower yet. But here is some of known facts about watchtower(Jehovah Witness)

The Jehovah's Witnesses religious movement was founded by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916).
As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots, joined a more liberal Congregational Church, then left this group as well. He denied the deity of Christ and the biblical teachings on hell and eternal punishment. Russell had no formal Bible training, but borrowed and built upon various teachings that were popular at the time. For example, Adventism influenced his denial of hell, and a splinter Adventist group led by N.H. Barbour excited his interest in end time prophecies. From Barbour he borrowed the belief that Christ returned invisibly to the world in 1874, and that 1914 was the year the world would be destroyed and the Millennium would begin.

In 1961 the Jehovah's Witnesses released their own translation of the Bible, The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (which has previously been published in a multivolume set from 1950 to 1960).
[, ]Members are encouraged to study the Watch Tower Bible in conjunction with the other Watch Tower publications and discouraged from studying the Bible by itself.

Are you a Jehova witness?
Do you Believe that Jesus is the son of God?

Young Jehovah witnesses may say they believe that Jesus is the son of God but their mature members (Who understand the meaning of "son of God" do not believe that Jesus is the son of God.

So, if you answer the two questions above I will know how to help you. But in a nut shell.
JW is been operated by the spirit of the Antichrist that is what John is saying. JW did not believe that Jesus is come in the flesh;
1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

If you need explanation of the verses from John, let me know then I can explain.

Where did you get that from, i have heard a lot said about us, but this one is unique and very funny. Please people should just ask witnesses directly what they believe and they would get the correct answer. You listed some Bible-believing churches but all those Bible believing church don't teach the same things. In fact when we discuss with them and starts quoting the Bible, they start talking about what their pastors said and different revelations of diverse origins, especially personal revelations in dreams and Angelic visitations.
If you want a people that defends the Bible as the final authority on religious matters, it is the witnesses.
You said we don't encourage reading the Bible, that is too much of a lie, thousands of kingdom halls and JW branches all over the world have a sign board that says 'Read God's Word the Holy Bible Daily'.

Crazyly funny stuff from the good old days.

When we got to part 1 in the UNI, we were allocated rooms in the freshers hall - angola hall - but one of our colleagues was going round to steal fans from the rooms and sell it to others that don't have. By the time we caught him, there was ferefe shishi (mild beating) and we promptly gave him the name - Toofan -.

Later he became the president of the Student Union and one of the best students from his class.

nedu210:
i knw dat ever body must not like ojukwu, but i dont knw this okijas proble, cos 2 me his point is baseless, 2 me he is just showin his ignorance about this war, yes gowon has a duty 2 make his co3 one ojukwu on his own have a duty of protecting his people.Like u said, WHAT DID IT PROFIT US TO AFTER LOSING 30.000 TO THE POGROM, GO AHEAD AND LOSE OVER 1.5MILLON TO THE WAR. Do u knw haw many more dat could have died again if not 4 the million step ojukwu took or u tought all dose people were killed in just one day or month. I CAN SEE U ARE A COWARD U DONT HAVE THE BLOOD OF AN IGBO IN your VEIN. OUR PEOPLE SAY ANAYI EJI MGBAGBU HALU OGU. NA NMADU ANAYI ACHO OKWU MOBU OGU ABUYI NKE EBU BIA NA UNO YA. so i will not close my mouth half way 2 call u a FOOL i will open it wide 2 and call u FOOL. Any way i think i understand u a little but it dozent work dat way dose ppl that died  in the war died 4 u and me 2 live if u ar an igbo or easterner, i lost my ppl 2 my dad was the only son and fatherless cos of the war but i understand cos dey died 4 us 2 live. But  the ppl dat were killed in the north being silent will give dem more rum 2 kill more and after killing us in there place dey may proceed 2 the east cant u see. Abeg i no fit sh6ut.

Bros, whats the meaning of Igbo blood, there is only one blood and it runs in everybody, there is no blue blood, royal blood, igbo, yoruba, ijaw or Edo blood. We are what we choose to become.

People just love their Jackie Chan. I love Jackie five times better than Jet Li, well i love Jackie 5 times better than any other actor. Jet Li dey do things wey no winch doctor fit do, so i cant even say he fights better than Jackie chan, until when they fight for real life and he whoop my guy.

Jackie all the way.

That a medical facility is built at all is welcoming news. Nigeria has been deprived for so long that steady improvement over time would have a tremendous impact on the life of the people. I remember a health centre in front of my house, that was where my younger brother was born 24yrs ago, over time it became mosquito infected, there was no water, no light etc. But some years ago Tinubu upgraded it to a health centre, brought a big Generator, repaired the doors and fixed mosquito nets, doctors and several nurses were posted there. It made a huge impact in the health of the people there, now people could also be treated for other ailments unlike when it was just a maternity ward.

These hospitals are not the best the world can offer, but they can and have significantly improved the health of the people in the Area where they are sited. I would rather we have hundreds of these scattered around the state and accessible to 80% of the population than have 2 or 3 of the best the world can offer but accessible to 10% of the population.

Everyone wants the latest and greatest car or gadget, but all other factors have to be considered to know which we serve best.

For me the utmost for the most at anytime, than the best for a few.

Booshman you are still at it. well done

Egbere is short forest spirit that is reputed to carry a mat all around and very stealthy, if you steal its mat the spirit will follow you around for days wailing, if you can stand all that for the said period of time you become very rich, thats part of the myth.

@ mbatuku,

it is often used as a swear word by mothers or older people for younger ones as a swear word, meaning 'you small thing' or 'you troublesome small thing.

Yes, i am a Jehovah's Witnesses. The day i believe the scriptures don't add up and that its a fraud is the day i stop being a Christian. I have read enough of it for me to believe and affirm that it is inspired of God and beneficial for all mankind.

Cheers man.

Part of Adam's punishment was that he is going to toil hard before he feeds himself, the land was not going to be as fruitful as it was in the garden. I did not think the name of God is Jehovah, that is what i read from the scriptures. its the closest translation or transliteration of the divine name YHWH in English.

A lot of people wants the Bible to be explicit on so many subjects, so as to quell their doubts, questions and other issues. A lot of these issues are just raised to criticize the Bible, some others need you to have faith to believe.

But the fact is people who wants to question will always raise questions, we can discuss some of these issues together one-on-one if you wish, we might be able to reach a common ground or middle ground on some of them.

cheers.

all4naija:
Fair and logical enough. If that was to be the case, why didn't the scriptures made mentioned of them? Don't we think something like that complicate the whole story regarding Cain marriage and the mark put on his forehead by God to be killed by who ever saw him on the faces of the earth yet, he survived that God curse.

So many matters and issues in the Bible are like that, for me i believe in the scriptures and where there seems to be discrepancy and controversy, i try and study and make research to get a good or better understanding of the matter.


(Genesis 4:11-15) . . .And now you are cursed in banishment from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood at your hand. 12 When you cultivate the ground, it will not give you back its power. A wanderer and a fugitive you will become in the earth.” 13 At this Cain said to Jehovah: “My punishment for error is too great to carry. 14 Here you are actually driving me this day from off the surface of the ground, and from your face I shall be concealed; and I must become a wanderer and fugitive on the earth, and it is certain that anyone finding me will kill me.” 15 At this Jehovah said to him: “For that reason anyone killing Cain must suffer vengeance seven times.”. . .

There was a curse on the ground because of the sin of Adam, in the case of cain who was a farmer the curse was increased, such that Cain would never be a successful farmer. Then he was also to continue wandering for life, he would be a fugitive always afraid to stay in a place fearing for his life. These were the punishment that Cain said was too great to bear, so he begged for mercy and God said he need not be afraid for his life anymore, anyone avenging the death of Abel on Cain would have to suffer a greater vengeance. This was a decree God made to all other humans, to prevent them from killing cain. That was why he survived the curse.

logica:
OK. Now you say Angels have "Free Will". I have read other Christians saying otherwise. Another one of you will come along with another interpretation. This of course is expected - it's like the interpretation of Nostrademus' Coltrane - as varied as the person reading it.

Anybody can say anything, if a christian says they don't have freewill, i will just ask for his scriptural proofs. In all endeavors of man we have been having different interpretation of things. Even Science that is suppose to be exact and experimental with proofs and definite laws, there have been different interpretations of a lot they came up with.
The Big slam theory, universe or multiverse, evolution of man, what is the nature of matter, relativity, rock formation, how fossil oil was formed, is the universe accelerating or decelerating, climate change etc all these are issues that scientists have different interpretations as varied as the person reading it.
So its not surprising that matters of faith and beliefs that can't be tested in a lab should have as varied an interpretation as the person reading it.

all4naija:
Didn't Cain get married before Seth was born? Love at your logical interpretation. I still think there were people living among Adam and Eve before they had Cain and Abel. If Seth was to replace Abel, who were those God spoke about to kill Cain after placing a mark on his forehead?

The Bible never said Cain got married before Seth was born, it could have been before and it may have been after, no one knows. Like i said the statement Eve made indicates that as a male child he she now has a replacement for Abel that was killed.
So there is high possibility that she had other kids male and female after Abel was born and before he was killed, then after Abel was killed she may have given birth to female children, then when a male child Seth came along, she declared him to be a replacement for Abel.

The number of years between the birth of Abel and the time to full maturity and his eventual murder by Cain would be sufficient for several kids both male and female to have been born.

logica:
I like this "Free Will" concept usually thrown around by Christians (I never saw any such thing in the Bible but that's by the way). But can I ask, when "we" get to Heaven, will we have this "Free Will", or does it only apply on Earth?

From what we can deduce from the scriptures all intelligent creatures of God has the free-will to obey or disobey. The first disobedience was from Satan, who is a heavenly creature and there were other angels who used their freewill and joined in rebelling against God. Jesus also mentioned ' not my will but the will of the father'.

zataxs:
Man did not have the free will, to do evil you must know evil, you must know bad, to know something is bad, you must get of the fruit. call it a chicken egg dilemma.

This is no chicken egg dilemma. The fruit of the tree is not a repository of what is good and bad. God had already given several instructions to Adam and Eve, he knows that obeying such instructions is good and disobeying is bad. Not fulfilling the instruction to name the animals, take care of all that was put in his care would be bad, doing them as instructed is good. Not eating the fruit is good, eating the fruit is bad. God even told him the repercussion of eating the fruit, he was going to die. So he knew what was bad before he ate the fruit.

Adam and Eve got to know what was good and what was bad in the sense of now judging for themselves what was good and what was bad. Satan said they would be like God, i.e they would be a god unto themselves never needing God to tell them what to do, when to do it, and how to do it, they would decide what is good and what is bad by themselves, They were idolatrously placing their judgment above God’s, disobediently becoming a law to themselves, as it were, instead of obeying God, who has both the right and the wisdom necessary to determine good and bad.

all4naija:
This is where you are complicating yourself in the issue. You just explain that there were other people leaving at that time order than Adam and Eve before Cain killed Abel. You just agree with what I am trying to say here that, there were people existing before or among Adam and Eve before even Cain and Abel were born. Look closely, you will find out that the book contradict itself there. I think the bible only record the beginning of Adam and Eve not the beginning of Man.

No, the Bible recorded the history of the first man Adam, the people i mentioned are the other Children of Adam and Eve, born after the birth of cain and Abel. You need to see that the Bible mentioned that they had other Kids. There is no where we read that no kids were born before Abel was killed.

(Genesis 4:1-2) . . .Now Adam had intercourse with Eve his wife and she became pregnant. In time she gave birth to Cain and said: “I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah.” 2 Later she again gave birth, to his brother Abel,  
From the verse above, female children could have been born before a brother Abel. After the birth of Abel, other kids also came along, possibly both male and female.

What is certain is that after Abel was killed, the next son that was born is Seth, because Eve saw him as a replacement for Abel. We are talking about where Cain got his wife from, and the Bible revealed that other children were born and people lived for a long time and could easily grow exponentially within 100 - 500 years.
Just Imagine Adm possibly being virile for 500 -700 years and maybe he had his first child before he was 50.

^^^^^^
whatever the definition, there is a general thread that runs thru all the cultures, a basic idea of good and bad. If man is inherently evil, we would have been promoting evils in all the cultures, whatever the definition of evil in each culture is, that would have been the basis of all our aspirations and drives, self-preservation and survival of the fittest without any scruples or repercussions. It would have been evil galore all through.

My own thots about God being aware of it is different, my own idea of God being all-knowing is now what you have assumed. While he has the ability to know whatever he chooses to know, i believe he selectively uses the power. He does not just peer into everything although he has the ability, the right and the power to do so.

For me, did God know Adam and Eve were going to sin? or that even Satan or the rebellious Angels would sin? No. Thus he is not responsible for setting in motion all these troubles. I know i have stirred the hornet's nest with this,

Kay 17:
The problem is they cant choose options they dont have, thus they chose in accordance to their nature - evil, thus God who is ultimately responsible for his creation is inherently evil

Are you the god that has now made God ultimately responsible for his creation, what do you mean by the options they don't have? If the nature of man is inherently evil how come good is also found in man. How is it that in all cultures be it christian, animist, islamic, all cultures have a concept of good and evil and always wants to stamp out evil.

all4naija:
That's not funny! Your interpretation is based on maybe not what the bible said. Anyway, I think the story of Adam, Eve and his first two children were stated clearly to be what I just pointed out. Cain and Able were the first two kids of Adam and Eve. They started given birth to other kids after Cain got married. According to the bible, God is the one who uttered the world of anybody that sees him on the faces of the earth shall kill him after putting a mark on his forehead.

And Adam lived on for a hundred and thirty years. Then he became father to a son in his likeness, in his image, and called his name Seth. 4 And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters.

After Cain killed Abel, the Bible never stated what time elapsed before he got married, meanwhile Adam had given birth to sons and daughters, so the only possible source of wife for him, is for him to marry one of the available women. After he gave birth to his son, he started to build a city, showing that the population around him was considerable enough for him to build a city. The Bible stated that they lived up to 500 - 900 years, so with the strength and virility then and also the longevity, marrying within the family wont be a problem.

Genesis 4:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

Who were the people he said would find him and kill him, is it the yet-to-be-born children of Adam, who would be told the story and become so angry to go about hunting for Cain, or could it be other sons and daughters of Adam who knew the two of them and would be really angry enough to kill Cain. The only other son that was named is Seth, but there is nothing that says he was definitely the third child.

ogaju007:
@ Gazby ; Look at you sitting down there and manufacturing stories from your imagination which is a repository of what you have been fed since childhood or whenever you became a xtian. How are you so sure Adam and Eve were the only ones created? who told you bout Adam and eve? Who brought you the so called Good News? Do you know why the brought it to Africa? Do you know the history behind the Roman Cath, Anglican and Politics? I guess not. What is Research? What a shame? Some people came to sell their culture and we threw ours out of the window. Look at the Chinese, Indians, Japanese, have they thrown their culture out of the window? We see silly pastors bringing the Gospel to where it originated from because they want to recieve Tithe in pounds and Dollars. Why not take it to Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Afghanistan, yeye people.

Guy your issues goes beyond what is being discussed in this thread. What is culture? Who owns what religion? Is culture stagnant or dynamic? What histories are you talking about, there is hardly any you want to mention that i don't know of? The good news has been in Africa before many of our forefathers were ever here in our present locality. Has the culture of the chinese, japanese indians remained the same for thousands of years. Is religion the same as culture or a part of culture, if you accept a religion, have you automatically thrown culture out of the window.

Do you eat all your meals with your hand, do you still poo in the bush, did you do a court marriage or it was strictly traditional. Please cultures are dynamic and all cultures of the world including your revered jap, chinese and indian cultures have changed and it is still changing.

ogaju007:
@Rabzy: Lol I like your type you will never reason reality. So what has changed since then. Did he suddenly realize he didn't like the idea of Family Straffing? . Really it doesn't add up. Don't be ashamed to question things. Why not straff your own sister? PLEASE don't be brainwashed.

I have replied the objection you raised earlier. Am not ashamed to question things and i keep seeking answer to strenghten my faith. Asking me to straff my Sister is dumb because i have told you its wrong. You guys think people and spirits are machine/chemicals and they should react to events the same way under standard temperature and pressure. God has a grand purpose and he unfolds them gradually, he has created intelligent creatures, who have free will and a mind of their own. Events and decisions people make also makes God to adjust his plans accordingly until he achieves his grand purpose which is unstoppable.

Eve was made from Adam's rib and so he declared 'bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh' effectively both of them were blood relatives, they gave birth to children who can only multiply by marrying themselves because there were no one else. Whats far-fetched in that? Men were closer to perfection, so there were no diseases to pass in the blood line, but when the need arose to discontinue the practise and since there are other available distant relatives to marry, God decreed that it should stop.

all4naija:
^^^^
Not only that, Cain met his wife before Adam and Eve started giving birth to other kids - that's the issue here.

all4naija:
It is a shame you don't read your bible very well ,

(Genesis 4:17) And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Keep deceiving yourself!

Genesis chapters 3 and 4 present the following information: (1) Eve was “the mother of everyone living.” (2) Time elapsed between the birth of Cain and his offering the sacrifice that was rejected by God. (3) Following his banishment to become “a wanderer and a fugitive,” Cain worried that ‘anyone finding him’ might try to kill him. (4) God set up a sign to protect Cain, indicating that either his siblings or other relatives might try to kill him. (5) “Afterward,” Cain had intercourse with his wife in “the land of Fugitiveness

The events in those chapters are not listed chronologically as they happened. The events that happened between cain and Abel were very important and so details were given about them. As at the time of Abel's death, there must have been other siblings and possibly granchildren and several generations of cousins because Cain was afraid enough for him to ask God to prevent people from killing him. He was not talking about non-existent humans, these were real threats to his life and God gave him his request.

He was then able to go forth into exile and eventually married and built a city.

all4naija:
^^^^
Not only that, Cain met his wife before Adam and Eve started giving birth to other kids - that's the issue here.

As i earlier mentioned the events were not listed as they happened. The statements of Cain clearly shows that there were other siblings, possibly cousins and nieces. We should not forget that people were living for hundreds of years then, so within a hundred years, the population would have been enough to have enough extended relatives.