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^^^^^ U no get calculator or you no go primary school. who be yor mate wey u dey send message. Nigeria is a place where begging is a lucrative business. I tell you some people believe they can't do anything dat would give then more money than begging. While the govt should is shyte, but even with the best Govt. there would still be beggars.

In Europe and elsewhere, people beg from the govt (benefit recipients and benefit cheats), and they are given, here there is provision for govt begging, so they go to the citizenry, shikena

The beauty of IFE, collective struggle.

We might get it wrong sometimes, we might take it too far sometimes, we might be hot-headed sometimes

But nobody can say we sat idly by when injustice is done, nobody can we say we did not fight.

Greeeeeeeeeeeat Ife.

Pls let other schools join, where are all the spineless governors in the south, let them bring this issue up and look for a solution. This is a start, others need to join so we can reach an amicable solution or compromise.

I almost shed a tear when i saw those fathers, but seeing that they were not dejected, they were resolute and also that they look so healthy unlike many of us today an also unlike the invading british soldiers made me feel better.

Onu uwa wa gbe.

[quote author=My-Key link=topic=704582.msg8645267#msg8645267 date=1309769392]No wonder people have a very low opinion of Africans in general. [/quote]Maybe if people can be less bias in their views, then they would realise that all humans whatever color can behave very low. If you look at what the Germans did in WW11, how the british signed dubious treaties and rape the whole world to build their empire, or the way the American settlers destroyed the native Americans and built their revolution on slave labor, the lynching miscarriage of justice in America in th 30s-70s or the way the japanese treated chinese women and vice-versa during WW11 or the Hutu-Tutsi genocide.

No color in the human race is incapable of descending low to sustain its survival.

Nice one brother, if you need some legendary figures and the powers that they were believed to have we could get you some. I remember Timi of Ede, the warrior with the flaming arrows. i think its going to be so exciting, its just the national support/govt support that i am not sure of. But it is something that would really excite the University community and also some western state governors.

Cheers man and all the best.

@adeniki,

I could - mo le i.e moe-lay, mo as in moses
I should - o ye, i.e oh-ye, ye as in yesterday
i would - mo ma i.e mo-ma, ma as in madam

^^^^ make we bone all these digressions and talk about the matter that really matters to this thread, sheathe your swords guyz,
paragro don settle things. I concur with what he said above.

I think necessity has not made us be more adventurous and inventive over the centuries, and the desert seperated us from the centre where things where so much advancement in many fields were being made.

The guy started out defending his architecture and took a position which i also share, but he totally messed up when he started talking off the hat about our whole civilization and culture system. I think he should just apologize on that and continue his defense of Nigerian architecture.

^^^^^

Here too we have houses be it mud or otherwise that are that old in the north and elsewhere but they are few and they are still standing. If the Oba of benin's palace was not burnt down it could probably have been 300-500 years old now, because the family still lives in there. The new palace now is still made of mud and its close to a hundred years old now. In Benin some chief's houses that survive the punitive expedition is still standing on the main road there, those houses could probably be between 100-200 years old and the family still lives there. So many other palaces in west also have stood till date.

The ordinary folks in uganda still living in their mud houses thru the centuries were not doing so to preserve their heritage, they remained there because it was their home and its still useful, maybe we should ask them if they would take an offer of a modern apartment block to be built for them on that plot, my guess is they would take it.

So we do think about our past and preserve many of our cultural heritages, some are even taboo-lized so that trespassers would not destroy nor desecrate it. But the general populace can do that, if they have a need to build a new house, the other one falls into ruin. It happens in all culture, you can preserve a whole village or town that nobody uses.
The other wooden houses that were on the same street with that of the premier, are they still there, are their families still there maintaining the structures? They have probably moved on or built new modern structures on those plots not staying around to maintain them to inspire the future generations
If that premier was not born there, no one would probably be maintaining that house till now, it serves some cultural significance to them.

Pure - Mimo gaara, mimo means clean or holy, the 'gaara' qualifies it as of extreme or pristine cleanliness or holiness. mimo i.e me-more, gaara pronounced gaa as in ti-ger but pronounced long and ra as in rat.
Corrupt- Ibaje i.e e-bar-je as jelly
Evil- Ibi
Sinister - depends on usage you could use bad or evil
Dark- Okunkun means darkness, while dudu means black, i.e oh-kun-kun, cant think of a world that i can use, okay like rapunzle in the fairy tale but replace the p in pun with a k.
Justice-idajo ododo, e-dah-jor oh-do-do, dodo as in 'dodo the kid from outer space' cartoon.
Erase-paare, the p has a peculiar sound like it has k preceeding it, kpaa-re, re as in red.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=687904.msg8604164#msg8604164 date=1309224398]I heard from the grapevine! Smbody told me u posted a comeback so I said what about and it was explined to me. So I came in mysel to read.

Exvuse typing, I'm on road and nowadays it is illegal to type and drive.

In any case,I felt it if if what was told me was true then I owe u an apology but only after I read and confirm for myself.

Ask anyboDy on NL that know me I'm fierce but I know to humble myslef when I'm in error.

Booshman, I read your post and true the grapevine was correct.

I would have apologized but t you now but I found ouple of missteps in your action.

First, you failed to dislose this was for manga. Even if you Did disclose, it was not expressly firmed up. Remember I asked if this was a proprietaru work?

Because you are using an endowment that is a public property (ie language) you are notnecessarily oblighated to compensate the sources, howevber since the time and exertion of effort by your contributors can be measured as a unit of labour. . . .and since you are conducting this transaction across international boundaries, it is incumbent upon you to pay compensation and or profit sharing of thje gross revenue and or royalty - dependiong on the terms of applicable negtiation to that effect -, and as set in the statues of the United States and Nigeria. Failing which the codes of the statues of the ITO -which governs certain trades of internatonal nature - and as well any appliable and enforceable laws under the auspiCes of the UN, as agreed to and ratified by the members of th Alliance of Natons both to cover for (1) endowments of native/ethnic groups; (2) the fair labor statues and (3) exchange and trade of merchandise with intenion to distribute.

Now, I must of course apologize to my fellow Yorubas for preempting the matter, though with good intentions but nonetheless with a resulting damage. I hope they forgive the action nd not hold this against the person of Negro. I'm like a pitbull when it comes to my Yoruba peple and loking out for their safety and well being. If you knoiw me well you wouldd wish I belong in your tribe. Negro will fight for you, trust me, I don't play and compromise on what I love! I klove Yoruba, Period!

Now, I guess to build good relations for the fture I really should apologize to you but with condition.

You have to promise to come visit Nigeria one day in future.

You have seen the interactions between the tribes online, well, we have more beauty than the tribalism. Come see West, come see South, come and see East and come and see North.

Do not forget to see about compensating those people that gave u resources for translation.[/quote]Guy i was getting seriosly pissed with you and ready to lash out at you but i would let it pass, but you need to seriously chill, agbalagba ko gbodo ma se langbalangba.

N101:
My friend, you need to travel a bit more - it is called MAINTENANCE. That is how a 200 year-old mud house lasts!!!

Go to Uganda and look at the tombs of the Buganda kings in Kasubi, which is now a World Heritage Site. Go to the North and look at some of the edifices there. Do you think someone built a mud building and just abandoned it? Did they know it was going to inspire anyone? Did they do it for the money? No, people took the time to maintain those places because it is part of their history. Now they are seeing the value of the work of generations being appreciated beyond their boundaries.

This seems to be lost on a lot of Nigerians who only think short-term. Your statement in bold only reinforces that.

Tombs and houses of Kings can be maintained because the court has the resources to do so and because they are were lived in most of the time, if the capital moves elsewhere due to war or other factors they turn to ruins, so what determines whether we would still find them standing would be the material they were made from, do you think the tombs of pharoah and their pyramids were maintained all thru those thousands of years, the colloseum, the lighthouse of pharos, the temples in the orients? No, most of these structures stood the test of time because of the stuff they were made of. People maintain their houses if they still live in it or if it serves a cultural or spiritual significance for the community, otherwise it is left to rot.

It is modern men that sees those ruins after they have stood the test of time and then turn it into world heritage sites so that they can last longer and be appreciated.

Thanks so much nagoma, it was almost becoming embarassing.

N101:
What the poster is pointing out is simply what most of us probably see or pass by on a regular basis.


How many 18th or 19th century buildings can you find in good condition in Lagos much less throughout Nigeria? Those that exist are few.

I don't want or expect to see totally Western-style buildings, but at least give me something inspiring between the two mediums, African and European or American. .

How many mud houses would last 200 years? Before the renaissance in Europe and even after that the general population were not building to inspire anyone, they just wanted a place to stay. In africa too our kings built inspiring local houses, many of them were destroyed by invading Colonial forces.

When you save moey over the years in building a modest apartment, the last thing on your mind would be to inspire anyone, when you build a block of flats with hard earned money and you know people would jostle to rent it, you would think little about inspiring anyone.

And for those living in the city especially lagos, mud/laterite is not even cheap.

Alimosho has the largest population and its the biggest local govt in Lagos, Everyday new towns are opening up in these places. Indiscriminate building of houses on every available piece of land is going on all over Alimosho, so its very hard to keep up with the development in this area.

But i know the Egbeda-Ikotun road construction is on-going, an alternative route for motorists thru olugbede street-tejumola estate-to pipeline was constructed and other parts graded to ease the traffic. Orisunbare street was also constructed. repairs and surface asphalting were done at Orelope, karimu laka and so many adjoining streets in those areas. Many of the major streets there have new roads that were newly constructed and others were repaired.

I also know a lot of work was done in the surulere axis, costain, eric more etc

As early as 5:30-6a.m street sweepers are on major roads to clear all the filth people dump on the road. That is the most annoying habit for me in Lagos. Large dump trunks move around very early to pick up the trash and by noon, most places have been cleaned except some major market areas. In the area of clearing refuse i think he has done well. I remember some years back when major street corners, bus stops, lamp posts were heavy dump sites. I dont see all that again, even if they are, they are very few

When I drive from egbeda to V.I in the morning, 70% of the street lights work on the route i take, its a beautiful sight. From under bridge dopemu-to ikeja bank anthony way-maryland-ikorodu road-ikorodu road-western avenue-to apogbon-to V.I. The street lights work along most of the route.

shift- sun, i.e monsoon rains without the mon.
shock- ina gbe, its a phrase literally meaning, he was carried by electricity, but its used to mean electric shock.
Silver-wura, i.e woo as in 'woman' ra as in amon-ra, or racket.
Blood-Eje, i.e e as in air, je as in je-lly.

cheers

Booshman:
That's actually an interesting comment, because I actually prefer many Nigerian movies over many American ones. Simply because the actual acting is really good, in comparison to how stale and emotionless many American actors are. And while I'm typing, about a half hour ago, I hit another temporary creative roadblock because I didn't know these four words:
Shift (as in the body movement)
Shock (as in an electric shock)
Silver
Blood
This happens a lot, if you haven't noticed. All because I'm just that devoted to being accurate.

Well we all have something we like in others, i actually prefer the American movies, i get more thrills and frills and also the storylines are well thought out, but ours here are so frigging predictable and i detect so many mistakes in directing that its totally annoying. But as to the acting they are very superb here, except when they are acting a fighting scene, they don't even know how to make a slap look good, lol

Lightning is called Monamona, i.e more-nor-more-nor. The tone is do-do-mi-mi and you say it fast. If you do understand the tones, i could start putting them as best as i can.

General - i did not see this earlier is called Ogagun, o-ga-gun i.e or-gre-gun, ogre without the o.
perfect - pipe.
There is a way the P is pronounced, there is no equivalent in english, but it sounds like a 'kpe', if you go to youtube search for yoruba movies, you will recognize and get to hear some of these words pronounced.

Refine- yoomo, as in yore-more or york without the k and more, but you will stress and prolong the first sylable.
Fierce- roro i.e row-row
Noble- Otokulu i.e arthur-cool-luke, cool without the l and luke without the ke.

Okay thats how much i can do now. Have a great day.

Okay i have sent it.

When Lagos state was repairing roads before the election some critics were saying is just an election trick, the election has come and gone and he is still tarring roads and clearing drainages, den no gree talk again.

I have never voted for him or for anyone but to say he has not done well is just too sinister. This guy built an emergency town with good facilities even before the crisis and when the Ikorodu flood came and later the Ajegunle own, people were housed there and are still there. So go and tell those people he is not working and see how many insult you go get.

Please make una dey translate some of these dialects, as we all know say we den plenty die for we Edo state. How far la, una do well.

Snow - iyin or yin-yin
Freeze - o di, or o ti gan i.e its solid or its rigid
Noble - Lobaloba (i would try and get something more accurate)
Conquer- Segun (shell without the 'll' and 'gun' as in japanese 'shogun'
Awaken - O ti Ji (wake is 'ji', o ti ji means he has woken)
Council - Igbimo (e-gbi-mo as in more)
Test - Idanwo ( he-done-woe i.e he without the 'h')
Ground - Ile (e-le, 'le' as in le-mon)
Death - Iku
Proving - Fihan, it actually means show, there are other words that would suffice
Complete - Pari

I would try and get back on the other ones

ocelot2006:
On the contrary Eko Ile, having spent a considerable part of my childhood in the state, I believe I know a thing or two about Lagos. Yes those were some lovely pics on the link you posted and I commend the Fashola for all that. But it still doesn't change the fact that Lagos has some serious problems to tackle, particularly with respect to its roads, the flooding problem, traffic and hygiene/waste disposal. So go beyond the boarders of Lagos (or maybe the south west) and go see what the states I mentioned have done right. Lagos could pick a lesson or two from them.

I have been to those states you are mentioning and they do have beautiful roads, e.g Uyo, Calabar. But what is the geographic spread of such roads, how many roads do you have in such states. Many of those states have some good roads leading to the major towns, but after once you leave those roads, all you have are hamlets and villages and those people those bother if their streets are not tarred, but is not so with Lagos, every street, drive, close wants and needs to be tarred and that would take a lot to achieve.

For each good road in any of Calabar, Uyo, Portharcourt etc, Lagos can produce 2 equally good roads and you would still have hundreds more to spare.

Be khin, Mi be wa gwa na ni ma a ta.
So whats up, what do you guys wants us to chew on, lets raise some matters and discuss it, so we can keep the tread going.

Many other tribes living in Lagos speaks yoruba fluently especially if you went to a public school in some neighborhoods in Lagos like Agege, Agbado, mushin, Alimosho etc, i speak, read and write yoruba fluently.

Cheers, wa bhi lu.

Okay thanks for replying. For people that spent 12 - 18 months to pay for a land of 450k, how do you want them to come up with 1million naira per plot, some of us have up to 3 plots there.

i was thinking of starting the foundation on one of the plots and i got to hear about the fee, i had to hold back.

When people are thinking of erecting their structures, now u want them to start thinking of looking for some millions on infrastructure. You guys need to revisit the issue.

I don't really care about the color of anyone's skin, i know its just pigmentation and anyone can be fine with any color if you take care of your skin. It seems black looks generally more healthy and it can go thru a lot of stress e.g pinches, bites, slaps, whips, cuts without it showing. i really want to know if there has been any study that shows the relative strenghts of different skin types, if they all have the same strentght.

But i think in most cultures, even in white societies, the darker the you are, then the greater possibility you would be thot of as coming from a lower class. The nobles and rich people of most cultures live their lives secure and covered under their palatial tents and mansions and therefore would have a skin that would potentially be fairer than others would have to work and play under the harsh weather conditions which would invariably impact on the color of their skin, the skin becomes coarser and darker.

My thots are this is probably the root cause of the negative view of darker skins, please note am not saying black skin, but a coloration which is seen as relatively darker compared to others in the same race.

You guyz are cheats, while i don't doubt that you have plots of land for sale, but you have come up with spurious and exorbitant charges under the guise of infrastructure and development fees, i am still contemplating what am going to do about you guys.

Go sit don somewhere, dey get fun for nairaland, you no go go find better thing do

How did this come back again, from 2007, well i dey halla

The term 'in the lord' implies obey your parents as far as what they are in asking you to do conforms with Christian principles, its talking about the authority parents have over their children but which is subjective to God's law, if you read further down, you will see he is giving instructions as it relates to family life.
15 You may have countless Christian guardians, but you don't have many spiritual fathers. I became your father in the Christian life by telling you the Good News about Christ Jesus.

The role Paul played was as a spiritual father, but he is not to wear it or claim it or bear it as a title, Jesus knew there would be some people who would become spiritual mentors and fathers and to forestall a development where some see themselves as fathers in the church, claiming titles and importance, like the two sons of zebedee, Jesus therefore forbade us, note FORBADE us to call anyone that may have served as a spiritual father, Father. Its not a case of what we would like to do or how we see these people, but the fact that Jesus said we should not do so.

Philippians 2:22
22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.

This was an analogy, a figure of expression, not a case of Paul being called father because of being an apostle in the church

okeyistic:
In  Ephesians 6:1 The Bible says"Children,obey your parents in the Lord;for this is right." The pertinent question i wish to ask is, who are the parents in the Lord Paul was talking about?what gave them the status of parenthood? well without beating about the bush,parents in the Lord are simply people God has placed over others in the church or campus fellowship to see to their spiritual and material welfare.If you are thinking the way i am thinking now, you will agree with me that parents in the Lord are Pastors,Bishops,ELders,Deacon and Deaconesses and of course campus fellowship presidents and leaders are parents as it were, as far as the campus community is concerned. [quote author=Joagbaje link=topic=673713.msg8387931#msg8387931 date=1306298771]You don't create a doctrine from a verse. You need to compare scriptures with scriptures. Every true doctrine ought to be confirmed by many scriptures.

1 Corinthians 4:15

The term 'in the lord' implies obey your parents as far as what they are in asking you to do conforms with Christian principles, its talking about the authority parents have over their children but which is subjective to God's law, if you read further down, you will see he is giving instructions as it relates to family life.
15 You may have countless Christian guardians, but you don't have many spiritual fathers. I became your father in the Christian life by telling you the Good News about Christ Jesus.

The role Paul played was as a spiritual father, but he is not to wear it or claim it or bear it as a title, Jesus knew there would be some people who would become spiritual mentors and fathers and to forestall a development where some see themselves as fathers in the church, claiming titles and importance, like the two sons of zebedee, Jesus therefore forbade us, note FORBADE us to call anyone that may have served as a spiritual father, Father. Its not a case of what we would like to do or how we see these people, but the fact that Jesus said we should not do so.

Philippians 2:22
22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.

This was an analogy, a figure of expression, not a case of Paul being called father because of being an apostle in the church

John 19:26
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus will contradict himself by calling Mary a mother to john. Let the argument rest. Let us not misapply Jesus teaching. Or else you will have to start  calling  your parents by name.

[/quote]Jesus Christ was about to die, Mary was about to lose a son, Jesus fleshly brothers had not yet being converted, so Jesus was not ready to entrust his mother to them, Jesus was here transferring the custodianship and also the responsibilities that he would have done as a son to John 'the apostle whom Jesus loved most'. And that was why John took her to his home. He was to from then on be responsible for Mary and he gladly accepted. The issue is not that whether we can call our parents, uncles etc father, that is a title they bore by giving birth to us or being a guardian to us, the issue is that in the church, no one is to use the title 'father' or be addressed as such because of their spiritual mentorship, we may like to do so but we are forbidden.
And there is good reason for it, because its so easy for us to adore people, to worship them, to subvert our reasonings and let them do the thinking and reason for, for us to allow the doctrine of men to overide the commands of God and its easy for us as men to also become haughty and acquire airs due to praises from me.

Its simple we have been forbidden to do so.

This is bad rep for Lagos, though the problem is caused by gripping poverty in the Hinterlands. At least from the video the guys acknowledged that they are better-off here than where they came from, they could eke out a living here, whereas in their hometown there was virtually little they could do

As per the people selling on the railway and expressway, when accidents happen and a mad trailer driver crushes people to death there, it is the government that gets the blame for allowing them. And when you arrange for some to leave maybe provide a place for them to sell, others promptly take over the space. Most times the government gives warning, but the warnings are not heeded.

Immediately the KAI officials leave, you see people setting up their kiosks again. There are several places where the government erected barricades (e.g oshodi) and barb wires to prevent people from crossing the highway, but people pull down these barriers and risk their lives.

Its a complex situation and the solution is not just straight-forward, it would take time, people would have to be educated and be re-oriented, the economy needs to grow, light has to be stable, and we wont solve all the same year.

For me since the mid-sixties, we have hardly had a government and now we are just learning how to vote, who to vote for, how to make a constitution, how to prosecute people etc. The finished product is still some decades away and in fact the product is never finished, there should always be a 'new improved ariel' in the way we do things, at least some state governments have started doing some things, eventually maybe later mediocres would even be scared to present themselves or forced to perform.