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Religion / Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by RandomGuy48: 10:19pm On Nov 28, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:This is a good point, but I want to expand on it a bit. Now, as noted, the argument is that the "three days and three nights" is in error, as a Friday burial and Sunday resurrection doesn't meet the criteria of three full days and three full nights. There are two ways to explain this. The first is your argument, which is that time was counted differently. Indeed, the Jews counted part of a day as the full day. See, for example, the Jerusalem Talmud 9.3, available here, which also asserts that "a day and a night" counts as one span. Thus, Friday would count as a "day and a night" as it was part of a day, as would Sunday, to the people at the time. Thus, three days and three nights, even if our modern timecounting would not see it as such. One objection is that it shows some disagreed on this point. For example, the above quoted Talmud shows Rabbi Ishmael and Rabbi Eleazer asserting that part of a span counts as a span, and that a "day and a night" constitute a span. However, it notes that Rabbi Aqiba "does not treat part of a span as the whole of it" and counts as day and night as two separate spans But the fact some disagrees isn't relevant here. The point is that at least a good number of Jews believed that "A day and a night constitute a span, and part of a span is equivalent to the whole of it." Therefore Friday burial, and Sunday resurrection counts Friday and Sunday as a "day and a night" even if it is not a full 24 hours, giving us "three days and three nights." An alternate explanation is to simply reject the traditional Friday/Saturday/Sunday timeline and to assert that the burial occurred on Wednesday. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by RandomGuy48: 10:16pm On Nov 28, 2019 |
sonmvayina:Presumably Matthew 12:40, when Jesus says: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." |
Religion / Re: Evangelist Dapo Soyemi: Woman Wearing Trousers Will Not Make Heaven by RandomGuy48: 5:56am On Nov 21, 2019 |
gabbyabbey:The problem with is that while it is only men who are referred to in those verses, it is only levitical priests who are being referred to. If this is supposed to mean that it is only for men, then by that logic it is only for levitical priests. Further, from my understanding, "undergarments" is a more accurate rendering of the Hebrew word in question than "breeches" is (which is why later translations use "undergarments" there). |
Religion / Re: Jesus Appears To Group Of 72 Christians About To Be Slaughtered By Boko Haram... by RandomGuy48: 9:54pm On Nov 20, 2019 |
I have to confess I have some doubts on this. So this seems to be the original article about this: https://barnabasfund.org/us/appeals/god-miraculously-delivered-them-you-can-help-them-read-his-word Certainly, if 72 people all attested to this (well, 64, as 8 of them died before the rescue), that is strong evidence for it. But beyond the article's claims itself, no proof is given of this; observe the lack of details. No method of contacting these people to verify these claims is provided, and there is no video testimony to prove their existence. It is not stated when or where this took place and no names are given. It is not even stated who got this information and wrote up this article. And then the whole thing is just a pretext to try to get people to donate to the group that posted the article. The fact that none of this information which could have been used to verify the story is given makes me very skeptical of this. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Biblical Proofs: Understanding The Wearing Of Trousers by RandomGuy48: 9:27pm On Nov 20, 2019 |
bereanway:I'm not sure of that argument. One cannot say that the Deuteronomy laws are entirely done away with, as by that logic things like incest are suddenly okay. While some of the rules in Deuteronomy/Leviticus are of the ceremonial variety, meaning they are considered by most Christians to be no longer applicable (there are a few that argue Christians are supposed to follow all of those rules, but we're not talking about that viewpoint), but there are also moral laws. There are also civil laws of Israel, which obviously are no longer applicable either. Anyway, the fact that Deuteronomy 22:5 has something that 22:9/22:11 do not, the statement that it is an abomination, indicates that it is a moral law rather than a ceremonial one. That said, there is a different problem I've long had. Now, there are two possible interpretations of Deuteronomy 22:5. The first is that it means there are some articles are clothing that are exclusively for men, and some that are exclusively for women. What qualified as such do not change. The second is that it's meant more culturally, that what qualify as men or women's clothing depends on the culture, and what counts as women's or men's clothes can vary depending on time and location. Clearly, those who favor the idea that women cannot wear trousers must accept the first interpretation. The question then becomes, do trousers count under this rule? There are two problems I see with this idea. First, at the time these rules were given, trousers would have been an unknown concept to the Israelites--they simply hadn't been introduced yet. Which would mean that upon the later introduction of trousers, they were instantly and irrevocably considered a man's garment somehow. If this was the case, however, we come to an issue: If, for the last 2500 or so years (the amount of time trousers were known), trousers were considered a man's garment in Christianity/Judaism, why is it I've seen no one advance this view ever point to anything prior to the last century or two? Surely, there would have been various "what people should wear" writings throughout history that would specify men's clothing is to be trousers and to cite Deuteronomy 22:5 in favor if this were the case. Maybe such things do exist, but I've yet to see anyone point to them. Their absence is very conspicuous and a major hole in the claim that trousers were and are only to be worn by men. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What If, The Devil Don't Exist, Will You Still Be A Christian? by RandomGuy48: 10:56pm On Nov 19, 2019 |
ABCthings:Quoting someone else's post while adding nothing of your own is normally a way of expressing agreement, or more specifically implying "you said everything I wanted to, so I have nothing else to add." Then again, there were two posts quoted, and when that happens, it can be used to imply there was a contradiction of the two. I'm not sure which one was being used here. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Is It Ok To Emphasize Female Virginity In The Church? by RandomGuy48: 10:51pm On Nov 19, 2019 |
I assume we're talking about premarital virginity. Yes, as long as male virginity is also emphasized. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Death? What Benefit? by RandomGuy48: 12:47am On Nov 13, 2019 |
sonmvayina:https://www.restorersofzion.org/RT_answers_antim_Tanach-passages.htm#8 An especially pertinent portion: "[The claim that it was Hezekiah] is wildly off the mark when compared with the testimony of Tanach. The "child born to us" would carry "the authority on his shoulder", would "increase authority and peace without end", and finally would establish the throne and the kingdom of David "with justice and righteousness, from now until eternity" (including verse 7, 6 in Heb). It was indeed the position of Rashi that Hezekiah had fulfilled all this, although Rashi was forced to downgrade "from now until eternity" (מֵעַתָּה וְעַד־עוֹלָם) to the lifetime of Hezekiah. But even during Hezekiah's days, he suffered ridicule of his authority (2 Chron.30:10), interruptions to his peace (2 Chron.32), a devastating illness that nearly killed him (2 Kings 20), followed by a miracle that caused him a pride problem (2 Chron.32:24-26). He himself knew that his descendants would lose the throne and serve the king of Babylon (2 Kings 20:18, Isa.39:7). Last but not least, Hezekiah's own son, Menashe, was the farthest from "justice and righteousness" of any king of Judah; he corrupted Israel even more than the nations G-d had destroyed (2 Kings 21:9, 2 Chron.33:9), and according to the Talmudic sages (Sanh.90a) he has no portion in the world to come." Another source covering similar ground: http://www.tektonics.org/guest/antianti.html#five Isaiah till already told you who the server to is in verse 41:8-9."iseael my servant, Jacob my chosen, as well as in chapter 45...there is no ambiguity there.. The suffering servant is Israel. Read it in context to the end for it is a discuss that started in 52:12..remember when Isaiah wrote there was no chapters or verses...The problem with the idea that it's a prophecy concerning Israel rather than the Messiah is that Jews long believed it was a Messianic prophecy. It's true that some held to the idea it could apply to other things in addition to the Messiah, but the idea that it isn't a Messiah prophecy at all is actually a relatively recent phenomenon. Again, see here: https://www.restorersofzion.org/RT_answers_antim_Tanach-passages.htm#7 "Suffice to say that even as late as the 16th century, those who completely denied the tradition of the suffering Messiah in Isaiah 53 were considered heretical. Here is a representative comment, by Rabbi Eliyyah de Vidas, author of Tana d’ be Eliyyahu (1575), attributing the teaching to Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai: The meaning of the words “bruised for our iniquities” [Isaiah 53:5] is that since the Messiah bears our iniquities, which produce the effect of his being bruised, it follows that whoso will not admit that the Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities, must endure and suffer for them himself. (Quoted and sourced in The 53rd Chapter of Isaiah according to Jewish Interpreters, A. Newbauer and S.R. Driver, p.xl; see also the abridged reprint of this work [Jerusalem: Keren Ahvah Meshihit, 2011], p.214)" Other pages concerning this: http://www.tektonics.org/guest/antianti.html#thirteen http://christianthinktank.com/bad53.html http://www.tektonics.org/qt/sigalg01.php#is53 |
Religion / Re: Death? What Benefit? by RandomGuy48: 10:14pm On Nov 10, 2019 |
sonmvayina:There is not a singular verse that explicitly expresses all of that, but there are various verses which, especially with the benefit of hindsight, together form such a picture scattered throughout the Old Testament. The most obvious instances, of course, are the messianic prophecies of Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 53. The former refers to a son being born who shall be called (KJV) "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Well that sure sounds like God. Isaiah 53 is self-explanatory. |
Religion / Re: Death? What Benefit? by RandomGuy48: 7:04am On Nov 07, 2019 |
sonmvayina:Your grandfather wasn't the Son of God. sonmvayina:It was the Romans/Jews who ordered the execution itself but it was certainly within God's plan. But he commanded us "thou shall not kill"..."Murder" is a better translation than kill. It's not perfect either--the Hebrew word in question doesn't have a perfect English equivalent--but it matches the modern meaning of the terms more accurately. Why should he be expecting a human sacrifice?I'm not sure what you're asking here. |
Religion / Re: Death? What Benefit? by RandomGuy48: 1:04am On Nov 06, 2019 |
sonmvayina:If by why did he have to you mean what was the purpose of it, then the answer was that Jesus died in order to allow man to be reconciled to God again. |
Religion / Re: VIDEO: Woman Exposes 666 Hiding In Plane Sight! Monster Energy Drink by RandomGuy48: 1:03am On Nov 05, 2019 |
Is this parody? It feels like a parody, where someone is making fun of how some people see hidden signs everywhere. But in case she is actually being serious, she is making the same error about the Number of the Beast (666) that some others do. The Number of the Beast is not three 6's. It is the actual number six hundred and sixty-six. So finding a case of three 6's (and I would say "this thing looks sort of like three instances of the the Hebrew symbol for six!" hardly qualifies as finding such a case) means nothing, as three 6's combined results in 18. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Evangelist Funmilayo Fires Back At Critics Of Vitamin C And Titus Fish Revelatio by RandomGuy48: 4:11am On Nov 02, 2019 |
newsynews:She quoted Bible verses, but she didn't "prove" it because she got their meanings wrong. She claimed Matt 17:11-13 and Matthew 11:12-14 back up John the Baptist being a reincarnation of Elijah, which is misinterpreting it; it is a statement that John was essentially a new Elijah, not that he actually was a reincarnation of Elijah. In fact, when asked if he was Elijah, John the Baptist explicitly denied it (John 1:21). Of course, even if she was correct with those verses, it would only prove that for the specific case of John the Baptist, and would do nothing to prove that it could apply in general or to her in particular. Indeed, for someone who supposedly has been living on Earth for hundreds of years via reincarnation, she certainly shows no signs of it. For example, shouldn't you be able to speak a lot of different languages as a result of being brought up in those different countries? Then again, that claim of hers is so obviously silly perhaps I shouldn't even bother analyzing its problems. |
Religion / Re: Ugandan Cleric Asks Govt:"Deduct Tithes Straight From Salaries" by RandomGuy48: 4:42am On Oct 31, 2019 |
budaatum:Well, I believe the advantage of having it deducted automatically is one of convenience, you can just set it up and not have to manually figure out anything else. In regards to bank accounts, is it possible to do that with a bank account, set it up so that a particular percentage of your salary gets automatically re-routed somewhere else? It might be, but I'm not sure. I suppose that does require you get your salary deposited directly into your account to work, though. At any rate, I thought it should be noted that he issued this clarification. One can judge for themselves how genuine it was. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Ugandan Cleric Asks Govt:"Deduct Tithes Straight From Salaries" by RandomGuy48: 3:23am On Oct 31, 2019 |
This is a story from about a year ago... and leaves out Lwanga's later clarifying remarks. Lwanga said that he was misquoted and misunderstood: https://www.newvision.co.ug/new_vision/news/1491848/meant-about-tithing-salaries-cyprian-lwanga “When I talked about involving government, I did not mean Central Government introducing a tax and collecting it under its institutes like URA, but I was referring to all those in position of governance who are in charge of paying people’s salaries to assist those who would like to support the Church, have their tithe deducted from their salaries and forwarded to the Church,” he explained.So according to him, what he was asking was that the government give people the option of automatically having some percentage of their salary donated to their church if they wanted. |
Religion / Re: Am Slowly Becoming An Atheist by RandomGuy48: 3:16am On Oct 31, 2019 |
Vulcanheph:The Da Vinci Code's claims about the history of Christianity are thoroughly inaccurate, which would normally be forgivable as it's a fictional novel, but Dan Brown claims those aspects to be true. Problem is, Dan Brown (the author) is utterly incapable of doing proper research, which leads to not only the monumental errors in The Da Vinci Code, but other cringe-inducing errors of fact in his other novels about all sorts of other things. Furthermore, even if its facts were accurate, you'd still have the awfully big problem that The Da Vinci Code is really poorly written anyway. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Must Women Wear Trouser/pants At All? by RandomGuy48: 1:14am On Oct 24, 2019 |
So, I'm curious. To argue that Deuteronomy 22:5 in the present day disallows women to wear trousers, one must assert that trousers are perpetually only a man's clothing at any time in any place. If this is indeed the case, one would expect there would have been early statements of it by Christians. But all anyone seems able to point to are statements made in the last century or two. True, that was when more women started wearing trousers so there was greater reason to talk about it, but as far as I can tell there's complete silence on the point prior, which doesn't seem to support the idea that pants are always considered a man's clothes and thus women are forbidden by Deuteronomy 22:5 to ever wear them. So here is a question. What is the earliest time anyone in the history of Christianity that someone specifically stated that a women wearing trousers is an inherent violation of Deuteronomy 22:5? Anyone know? |
Religion / Re: Catholics Don't Do What Is In The Bible. But Allow Their Wives To Preach. by RandomGuy48: 9:32pm On Oct 14, 2019 |
Dollarseeker:Eh? The Catholic Church doesn't allow women to preach the homily/sermon during mass, that is only allowed for the Priest or Deacon, both of which are male-only offices. Now, women do sometimes perform the reading of the biblical passages, or leading the congregation in a song, but that hardly qualifies as "preaching" in my opinion. Unless you're referring to them doing so outside of the mass itself, but that's a whole different thing. |
Religion / Re: Is Judgement Coming On America by RandomGuy48: 9:24pm On Oct 14, 2019 |
budaatum:I doubt this will be any worse than the "unrest" that happened from him winning the 2016 election. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Conversion Of Emperor Constantine To Christianity.Blessing Or Curse? by RandomGuy48: 7:00pm On Oct 14, 2019 |
sonmvayina:As far as I can tell, the supposed "similarities" are so vague they are essentially worthless. It was at the council of Nicea that Athanasius said he was both God and man and thereafter a history was forged for him....Jesus being both God and man was agreed upon by both Athanasius and Arius, the two sides in the dispute; there was no argument concerning that fact. And before then, Jesus being both God and man was stated by many Christian writers. Heck, forget extrabiblical testimony, it's stated in the Bible itself (most notably John 10:30), which was written well before Nicaea (as evidenced by physical manuscripts of it existing beforehand). The idea it was Athanasius who came up with this idea is absurd. The Messiah God promised the jews is a mortal man like me and youWhere does it explicitly state this? Or perhaps more accurately, where does this explicitly state this in a way that does not work with Christianity? Jesus, while divine, was a "mortal man" in the sense that he was born, grew up, and was killed. he is coming to rule In an earthly Kingdom and a peaceful world..Which will occur after the Second Coming. God never said he was coming to die for sinsIsaiah 53. And before anyone says "but that's a prophecy about Israel, not the Messiah" I should note that it being a messianic prophecy was an interpretation that the Jews themselves held--even for centuries after the birth of Christianity. It wasn't until long afterwards that it became the Jewish interpretation that it referred specifically and solely to Israel. as God has already given a solution to the problem of sin in the old testament read 2nd chronicle 7 :142 Chronicles 7:14 is referring to forgiving the collective sin of the nation of Israel, not individual sins of individual people. |
Religion / Re: We Have Been Lied To The Earth Is Flat And Not A Globe by RandomGuy48: 5:42pm On Oct 14, 2019 |
Dnatruth:I never said you don't feel wind turbulence (though that's only occasional, and that fact is also irrelevant). I said you don't feel the motion of the plane, which is true. |
Religion / Re: Conversion Of Emperor Constantine To Christianity.Blessing Or Curse? by RandomGuy48: 7:41am On Oct 14, 2019 |
Too complicated a subject for me to really weigh in on, but I want to correct this: daddymummy:Constantine did not make Christianity the official religion. He simply legalized it in the Edict of Milan. It was a later emperor, Theodosius, who made it the official religion in the Edict of Thessalonica, given over 40 years after Constantine had died. sonmvayina:Utter nonsense. Christianity existed for centuries prior to Constantine and Nicaea. Nicaea did not "create" Jesus and Christianity, its actual purpose was to resolve what was known as the "Arian Controversy", a dispute about whether Jesus was eternal or not (there was not, as some will claim, disagreement on whether Jesus was divine--both sides agreed on this). But everyone agreed on the other basics of the faith, i.e. the life of Jesus, the Bible, etc. This council did not "create" Jesus and Christianity. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Canada Legalises Sex With Animals. What An Evil And Wicked Generation.... by RandomGuy48: 7:13am On Oct 13, 2019 |
It's misleading to claim Canada "legalises" sex with animals. First off, what actually happened was their Supreme Court asserted that the laws prohibiting bestiality were too vague and as a result some such acts were actually legal. Second, since then (the article you post as if it's new is from 2016!), Canada passed a new, more clear law on the subject as part of a law concerning animal cruelty. So contrary to what this topic claims, bestiality is currently illegal in Canada. Some information found here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/animal-protection-bill-c84-bestiality-1.5181494 From that article: "Parliament has passed a new law cracking down on animal cruelty that will list those convicted of bestiality on Canada's national sex offenders registry. Bill C-84 also changes wording in the Criminal Code to clarify that bestiality involves any contact for a sexual purpose between a person and an animal. The Code's existing definition is understood to focus on penetration as the essential element in an act of bestiality." 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Religion / Re: Is Dreaming A Spiritual Event Or A Natural Occurrance? by RandomGuy48: 7:02am On Oct 13, 2019 |
I believe that while dreams may be a spiritual event in a few circumstances, they normally are just a natural occurrence. |
Religion / Re: We Have Been Lied To The Earth Is Flat And Not A Globe by RandomGuy48: 12:10am On Oct 12, 2019 |
In regards to this claim: "Earth revolves around the sun at 66,600 mph Curvature of one square mile: .666 ft. Earth tilts at: 66.6º Still think it’s all a coincidence?" Even if these numbers are accurate--and the claim regarding Earth's tilt is not, it's about 23 degrees--this would mean nothing. Trying to connect this to the Number of the Beast is showing a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Number of the Beast is. This misunderstanding results in all sorts of crazy theories regarding it, the above included, which is why I wish to address it. The Number of the Beast is not three 6's in a row. It is the value of six hundred and sixty-six (this is more obvious in the original Greek text of Revelation due to the way the Greeks wrote numbers back then). The numbers 66,600, 0.666, and 66.6 have the values of sixty-six thousand six hundred, six hundred sixty-six thousandths, and sixty-six and six tenths respectively. None of those are a value of six hundred sixty-six, as is required for the Number of the Beast. Whatever the Number of the Beast is a reference to, it involves the actual numerical value of six hundred sixty six, not numbers or symbols that happen to have three 6's somewhere in them. |
Religion / Re: We Have Been Lied To The Earth Is Flat And Not A Globe by RandomGuy48: 6:29am On Oct 11, 2019 |
Ola17:Yes, exactly. If you are traveling at the same speed as your surroundings, then it doesn't matter how fast you're going--it'll feel normal. Anyone who's ever traveled on an airplane can easily attest to the fact you can be going at that kind of speed and not feel it at all. There is at one point where you feel the motion, which is when the airplane is taking off or is landing, because its speed is changing while doing so (speeding up when leaving, slowing down when landing). But when the speed is constant--as it is with the Earth's rotation and movement through space--you don't notice the motion because everything else is moving with you at that same speed, even if that speed is extremely fast. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Religion / Re: Why Didn't Jesus Intervene During Black Slavery by RandomGuy48: 3:08am On Oct 11, 2019 |
ayo84:If that is the case, then why in the world did they have the Bible include prohibitions on those things? This is to say nothing of the rather obvious fact that the Bible was written well before 325 AD, given that we have manuscripts of it that predate 325 AD. Yet another problem with your argument--it's impressive how many errors you've made with this, actually--is that you post about the various depraved things Roman Emperors did... but all of the emperors you list were from the first century AD. What relevance does this have to the fourth century, which is when you allege the Bible was written? Indeed, by that point the Romans were moving away from the things you describe in large part because of the increasing influence of Christianity. This claim is so silly that the rest can just be dismissed out of hand. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by RandomGuy48: 10:44am On Oct 06, 2019 |
albassawy:Saul didn't change his name to Paul any more than Simon changed his name to Peter. I believe Antipas is Stephen.How? Antipas, according to Revelation 2:13, was put to death in Pergamum (Pergamum was located in the western portion of modern-day Turkey). Stephen appears to have been stoned in or around Jerusalem. Paul bragged about consenting to his deathIn what way does that constitute "bragging"? Did the Apostles accept Paul?How about we read on and see what happens in Acts 9:27-28? "But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem." albassawy:http://www.tektonics.org/lp/petevspaul.php Paul says “Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness” (ROMANS 10:4) and calls Israel ignorant for seeking righteousness by doing God’s law (ROMANS 10:3)No, he called Israel ignorant for not knowing the righteousness of God and thereby not submitting to it, which occurs over and over in the Old Testament. Paul claimed he himself was the son of God (Galatians 1:16)No he doesn't. The mention of "reveal his son in me" means that the son was revealed to Paul, not that Paul was revealed to be the son (indeed, the Greek word for "in" can also be translated as "to", i.e. "reveal his son to me".) Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the real apostles, disciples OR YahshuaExactly how you have determined this is unclear. The term "apostle" simply means one who is sent on a mission, which Paul was. Therefore, an apostle. Granted, the Bible also uses "apostle" to refer more specifically to the Twelve Apostles, a distinction that is probably best served by capitalizing Apostle for them, but using a lowercase apostle to refer to the more standard version of the term. Paul was an apostle but not an Apostle. Paul was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He even boasted about it! Over and OverHe mentions it, certainly (it's sort of a thing that is important), but when does he "boast" of it? You give no examples outside of the earlier one which was not boasting. Indeed, we find the opposite in 1 Corinthians 15:9: "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the FatherCitation needed. Paul said God’s law was a Curse. Yahshua and God said it was a blessing. Who’s lying?Specific verses being cited, please. Yahshua Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27),Not what he actually says. Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21Jesus didn't "say" anything in Luke 2:21. It records he was circumcised, but exactly how that is a contradiction to Romans 2:26 is unclear. Particularly as Luke 2:21 occurred under the Old Covenant and the whole point of Christianity was the establishment of the New Covenant which does not require circumcision. Paul declares it’s ok to eat meat sacrificed to idolsPaul ISN'T saying it's okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols! He's condemning the practice! All he's doing in 1 Corinthians 8:10 is to give an explanation for the prohibition, which is the confusion it can create in other believers (later, in 1 Corinthians 10, he also asserts that it can make you a participant with demons). Reading this as him allowing people to eat things sacrificed to idols is to miss Paul's entire point. |
Religion / Re: What Did Rev.fr.mbaka Said Will Happen At Aso Rock On October 1st? by RandomGuy48: 3:43am On Sep 25, 2019 |
Where exactly did he say this? |
Religion / Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by RandomGuy48: 2:49am On Sep 22, 2019 |
The original post is mostly too goofy to really bother responding to, but I did want to note something regarding the Number of the Beast. blueAgent:How do you get 666? From three instances of 60 degrees? That's not 666, that's 180. Or is the claim that because you found three 6's in the form of three 60's that makes 666? Sorry, but that doesn't do it. It isn't three 6's that make the Number of the Beast: It is the specific numerical value of six hundred and sixty-six (this is more obvious in the Greek text). You do not get to that value with three 60's. Furthermore, the Number of the Beast is identified in the Bible as either "the number of a man" or "humanity's number" (depending on how you translate it). Triangle angles are neither of those things. So what is the Number of the Beast? Most likely a reference to Roman Emperor Nero, who was a persecutor of Christians. "Nero Caesar" in Aramaic adds up to 666. Notably, a few early manuscripts of Revelation have 616 rather than 666. Now, this could be just a simple scribal error. But there is another possibility as to why it was 616. An alternate way of writing Nero's name in Aramaic causes it to add up to 616, and Nero's name in Latin adds also up to 616. But whether or not the Number of the Beast referred to Nero, it certainly doesn't refer to anything involving the degrees in a triangle. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Who Is Jesus In Fact? by RandomGuy48: 2:34am On Sep 22, 2019 |
Sunnick:There are a number of problems with this question--specifically, the presumptions it rests on. First, "apart from the Bible." The Bible (New Testament) isn't just one source... it's 22 different sources that have at least 8 different authors. That is not unreasonable attestation. There are other Christian writings from around that period that were not included in the Bible, such as the First Epistle of Clement. Perhaps you are specifically asking for non-Christian documentation. But before we answer "where is the non-Christian documentation" we need to note a few things. First, almost all writings from the first century have been lost. Papyrus only lasts so long, after all. There's a ton of historical documents that we simply don't have access to. Second, of the documents we do have, would they have a reason to mention Jesus or, if they did, go into much detail? Our primary history and record-keepers were from Rome, who would have cared little about what a lower class preacher off in Jerusalem was doing unless they were trying to raise an army and overthrow the establishment. As for the miracles, reports would have been simply dismissed as Jewish superstition and ignored by the frequently skeptical Romans historians. And this is to say nothing of how few would have much reason to mention Jesus at all--for example, someone writing a biography of Alexander the Great would hardly have reason to mention Jesus! But despite those considerations, we do have some non-Christian references to Jesus, albeit brief, from Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, and Lucian. So the question is really not "where was this documented?" It should be "where in the surviving writings we have that should have mentioned it is it documented?" |
Religion / Re: Starting Sex At 18+ Is Not A Biblical Standard (the Foolish Wisdom). by RandomGuy48: 8:22pm On Sep 21, 2019 |
Gideon97: "Sex slaves" is an assumption that is neither stated by the text and does not mesh with the culture of the time. See here, most specifically the section starting with "Secondly, the accusation that these girls were for “sex slave” purposes contradicts what we know about the culture and about the event.": http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html Or that if a woman is raped she has to marry her rapist?Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is often misunderstood, in two ways. First, even assuming it refers to rape--which it may not, as we shall see--in that case, we must consider the culture. Virginity was highly prized and it would be difficult to find a husband if you were not a virgin, which would make it hard to support yourself. Therefore, by forcing the man to marry her (and thus support her financially) could actually be of benefit to the woman. But is it even referring to rape to begin with? This brings us to the second point. There are two Hebrew verbs being used here, one to mean "grabs" and the other that means "lies with" (i.e. sleeps with). Some translations combine these two into the word "rape" but that is simply an assumption on their part. The NET Bible translation gives a good exposition of it: The verb (taphas) means “to sieze, grab.” In all other examples this action is done against another person’s will, as in being captured, arrested, attacked, or grabbed with insistence (e.g. 1 Sam 23:26; 1 Kgs 13:4; 18:40; 2 Kgs 14:13; 25:6; Isa 3:6; Jer 26:8; 34:3; 37:13; 52:9; Ps 71:11; 2 Chr 25:23.) So it may be that the man is forcing himself on her, which is what leads the NIV to translate the next verb as “rape,” although it is a neutral euphemism for sexual relations. However, this is the only case where the object taphas is a woman and the verb also also refers to holding or handling objects such as musical instruments, weapons, or scrolls. So it possible that it has a specialized, but otherwise unattested nuance regarding sexual or romantic relations, as is true of other expressions. Several contextual clues point away from rape and toward a consensual relationship. (1) The verb which seems to express force is different from the verb of force in the rape case in v. 25. (2) The context distinguishes consequences based on whether the girl cried out, an expression of protest and a basis for distinguishing consent or force. But this case law does not mention her outcry which would have clarified a forcible act. While part of what is unique in this case is that the girl is not engaged, it is reasonable to expect the issue of consent to continue to apply. (3) The penalty is less than that of a man who slanders his new wife and certainly less than the sentence for rape. (4) The expression “and they are discovered” at the end of v. 28 uses the same wording as the expression in v. 22 which involves a consensual act. (5) Although from a separate context, the account of the rape of Dinah seems to express the Pentateuch’s negative attitude toward forcible rape, not in advocating for Simeon and Levi’s actions, but in the condemnation included in the line Gen 34:7 “because he has done a disgraceful thing in Israel.” This is very like the indictment in v. 21 against the consenting woman, “because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel.” (6) The penalty of not being allowed to divorce her sounds like v. 19, where the man is punished for disgracing his wife unfairly. His attempted divorce fails and he must provide for her thereafter (the probable point of not being allowed to divorce her.) Here too, if his holding her is not forced, but instead he has seduced her, he is not allowed to claim that his new wife is not pure (since he is the culprit) and so he must take responsibility for her, cannot divorce her, and must provide for her as a husband thereafter. |
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