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Lavoca:
Did you learn about ADAPTATION in your Sec school days?Or you wasted your time ?

You probably want a 6ft 1 inc 32yr old man to be the same when he was 29yrs old below?

You don't know about gravity?or you want to play ignorant

The end result is putting those balls at the back of the net.

Do you know Wilfred Zaha?Adama Traore?

Ronaldo has been sitting in the box since 2013 when he was 28, messi is 30 and still involved in the game. You're just giving excuses and they are flimsy! Try harder

And I might not know Zaha but I know dembele and hazard and Neymar

Lavoca:
Wales played with 9 men abi it is not 11 vs 11

Can we contrast and compare the team mates of both players

The issue is Midget failed on 3 consecutive nights

The issue is that Ronaldo has not won any INDIVIDUAL award of note on the international stage while messi has two...

And the only final he won, he basically didn't play...

So, can u just save our time by pointing to any individual award Ronaldo has and let's compare with messi's

Lavoca:
Everyone knows Muller was robbed of the Golden ball,it was a compensation by Fraud Sepp Blatter to that failure

Muller- 5 goals and 2 assists who didn't failed to show when it mattered most was not given

And Pls don't bring grade football in to this

James Rodriquez 6 goals and 2 assists

It was just a fraud like the 2010 and 2012 balon D or

Yh, a fraud like the ones Ronaldo won in 2013 and 2014, especially 2013 when voting was reopened after Ronaldo scored hat trick against Sweden in the playoffs

The fact is that he was given, Ronaldo was not even in the discussion about the MVP

Lavoca:
More frequently? Like he's doing in the qualifiers and how he surrendered a 10goal lead last season in the UCL

The man with knowledge everyone knows the consequences of take ons and dribbling but but we only see the score board at the end of the match

Fools here won't know how Cr7 reinvented and choose battles recently is because of his age

Yes!! More frequently!! If you don't agree, you can argue with the stats...

Take ones and dribbling affect the scoreboard you see at the end of the match, Genius!!

And right, CR7 had to reinvent himself to improve his goal scoring stats, messi didn't need to... He is good enough to handle both parts of the game at the same time, Ronaldo isn't

Lavoca:
Ronaldo- 3 goals and 3 assists


Cr7 Vs Wales in SF - 1 goal + 1 assist(Nani goal)----+++Showing up when it matters

Cr7 Vs Hugary in GS

Cr7 in the final on the touchline giving instructions and team mates were motivated

Yh! The almighty Wales!!

And are you Kidding about that last point?? We arguing about the better PLAYER and you are referring to a time he was not actually PLAYING?? I guess Mourinho and Pep are the best PLAYERS in the world then

hardeycute:
MVPs with successful take one and dribbles

Goals win you matches.If I need to see skills I will find a freestyler channel in YT and watch

You have just exposed your complete ignorance of football....

Lemme educate you a little:

Takeons create numerical advantage, breaks down tight defenses, used to draw fouls and win penalties and free kicks and get bookings for the opponents. And a whole lot more...

Players like maradona, Ronaldinho built entire careers on their ability to take on opponents. Not to mention players like dembele, Neymar, hazard, Isco, bale e.t.c. Your ignorance is seriously befuddling

And even if we only want to count goals, messi scores much more frequently than Ronaldo so what exactly is your point?

hardeycute:
Better Stats?Messi stat padded against Nigeria and Iran(clergies)

His team mates dragged him to the final while he ended up failing them

DI Maria 1goal&assist in a crucial stage
Higuain 1goal&assist in a crucial stage
Marcos Rojo 1 goal. ,,, ,,,


Ezequeil Garay with another assist in a crucial stage

Story!! How many goals and assists did Ronaldo have in the knockout stage?

And why are u avoiding my questions about how many international MVPs Ronaldo has? Is it because you can't remember any?

hardeycute:
There is a very wrong popular notion that Midget took his Country which is a fallacy

He was only able to perform against weak sides in the GS;Nigeria and Iran(Clergies)

His teammates took him to the final but he ended up failing 45million and one Argentines

When he's not even the GOAT of his country, why compare him with a National hero?

2014 WC- 4goals + 1 assists? How is that carrying his team?

Who had better stats than messi in the argentine squad?

And if four goals and 1 assist isn't carrying your team, then Ronaldo practically did nothing in euros.

Even Nani had equal stats with Ronaldo

Messi has won two MVPs while playing for Argentina- awards that are actually given for individual contributions. How many does Ronaldo have?

odysey:
are you still laughing??

Yes

Linkfield:
All these Messi fan boys sha...

Still have the GUTS to compare that log of wood with the great Maradona.

Even in this period that he can't just qualify his team for the world cup. SMH!!

Still comparing with the man that won his team the world cup.. SMH!!!

WTF!

Log of wood that has equaled Ronaldo's career goals and assists in 155 less games??

If messi is a log of wood, what then do we call Ronaldo?

Theflash98:
neymar created more chance and better take ons than messi last season..so,take ons isn't the criteria

This is a weird way of thinking...

U just don't use one attribute to judge. U use a combination of all attributes.

Not to mention Messi completed more passes and had more accurate through balls

Krasid:
Nonsense . I am sure the major criterion would be chances created and take-ons completed.

Take-ons and chances created are very important.... That's what players like hazard and Neymar bring to their teams.
And even when it comes to scoring and assisting , Messi is still better than Ronaldo.

He wins twice

chic2pimp:
How long have we waited for and how long would we continue to wait eh?

At least he was considered in the poll.

Ronaldo's name seems to be missing

hopefulLandlord:
I'm a Madrid fan and I don't regard him a goat

Well_ if you need any convincing, the stats are there for you

hopefulLandlord:
its a gradual process, although GOAT would always boil down to personal opinion

Lol... Nice try.

Even Madrid fans know Messi is the better player

hopefulLandlord:
education is important for clear thinking

He also mentioned today that Messi is the greatest of all time. U agree with that too?

JackBizzle:
Supporting arguments? What did I post in the op?


You are as dumb as felixomor. Enough said.


Just gerrout

So felixomor is now a standard for dumbness.

As old as Methuselah
As black as coal
As wise as Solomon
As dumb as --------

Fill in the gap

jonsnow92:
When you just finished Bleeping a Hairy Man's Butthole but he wants another round

You're wicked!

Nihilist:
You're trying too hard, and failing even harder.

How is Ferguson better than Allardyce?

Explain or get gone and stop wasting your mb.

Shut up jare
Just because u want to prove that Ronaldo is better than Messi, u start spewing nonsense.
Didn't know it was that hard to make an argument for Ronaldo

Nihilist:
Lol

Like I was actually arguing with you in the first place.

See this mgbeke feeling funky.

Someone I've been telling to get out of my mentions since last year.

Ogbeni either prove definitively that Ferguson is better than Allardyce or bïtch be gone...

List the top 5 players that were supporting Ororo like Messi or poof, vamoose..

I already explained why your line of reasoning is faulty but I guess it's all a waste if you still don't understand how Ferguson is better than allerdyce.

Like, I can now understand why you'd believe that Ronaldo is better than Messi. I mean, we cannot trust the judgment of someone who doesn't agree that Ferguson is better than allerdyce.

Nihilist:
You can only compare coaches when they are competing from a position of similar strength.

How is Ferguson definitely better than Allardyce? Has Allardyce managed a team of Manyoo's strength and resources and flopped? Has Ferguson managed a relegation team and kept them afloat?

So how do you know who is better than who?

You don't fool anybody with your faux intellect bro. Even if you put on a wig and donned a Burka, we would still recognise you as just another stüpid angry Barkabot

Bounce to the left fam.

There's a reason why I only deal with 3 or 4 people on this thread. You're always the first to quote me, but you'll never be one of them.

Actually, I already lost interest in arguing with you... Then I saw this.

Like are you drunk?! Who compares allerdyce and Ferguson? We can as well say we don't know if Ronaldo is better than okocha since okocha never played for Madrid or man U.

In fact, Ferguson made man U what it is today, Allerdyce couldn't do the same for Bolton.

It's either your crush on Ronaldo is beclouding your sense of judgment or you never had sense in the first place.

Nihilist:
Oga shut the fück up and gerrout of my mentions. You quoted me, I honestly don't send you.

Simple fact of the matter is that Real Madrid is better than Man City..because Madrid have better players not because Madrid has a better coach.

Show me a time when Ororo played with the same quality of players that Messi has been playing with, or bounce to the left to join your fellow Barkabots.

You deserve a medal for displaying this degree of stupidity.

If we're comparing the players by position, real Madrid have had a better team for the past three years. Yet in that time, barca has won two league titles.

And it's just plain foolhardiness to attempt to argue that coaches don't affect the success of their team. The mere fact that some coaches are sought after more than others rubbishes that position. Ferguson is better than allerdyce. If Ferguson is your coach, you're more likely to win trophies than if allerdyce or Moyes was your coach.

By all parameters , Messi is better and has achieved more than Ronaldo. If you don't like it,locate a river close by and do the needful

Nihilist:
Don't be daft.

Between Xavi Iniesta Ronaldinho Etoo Ibra Neymar Suarez, Messi has played with players who were ranked top 5 in the Balon Dor while playing alongside him. If I expand to top twenty, the list will cover the entire Barcelona squad.

Either show me a similar situation where Ronaldo is playing with multiple top 5 ranked players in his dressing room at any one time or shut the fück up and miss me with the epistle.

All I see here is cowardice.... Because you don't have a rebuttal to the points I made, u conveniently omitted the major part of my comment so you won't respond to it.

.Repeating a stupid argument many times doesn't increase its credibility. This argument you're making was stup.id the first time you made it, and it's still stuppid now. You can't just pick 2 or 3 players from a team and conclude that one team is better than the other. In fact,_ you should consider not just the starting eleven but the major subz.

Then, you consider the coaches. Unless you wanna argue that how good a coach is has no effect on the success of the team.

So. Yes am going to sleep because your argument has been noted and evenly demolished. When you're ready to stop chickening out and make actual points, wake me up.

Nihilist:
Name the equivalent players there to Xavi, Iniesta and Ronaldinho or go and sleep

Anyone with a basic understanding of football knows that a team is more than two or three players. Xavi and iniesta were better than their equivalent at Madrid but so were casillas, Alonso and Marcelo. In fact the gap between casillas and Valdez was more than the one BTW iniesta and ozil.
And it's hypocrisy to argue about quality of players while ignoring quality of coaches.

Ronaldo has been coached by Ferguson- the most successful coach ever, by mourinho, benitez, ancelloti. BTW them they have 7 UCL trophies and only two of them were won while coaching Ronaldo.

And then there's Messi, who has been coached by rijkaard, pep, Enrique, Martin,, Tito. Between them, they have four UCL trophies, and all were won while coaching Messi. So ,no Messi, no trophy.

Don't lemme even get started with league titles. The L's you have amassed today is enough to last you a lifetime

Yonce:
Have you heard that if Ronaldo played with xavi or iniesta he'd have way more goals for club than he does now?
Those men where beasts in their prime so wtf are you talking about?

Olodo.... When Messi was playing with valdez and Ronaldo was playing with casillas. Or when barca had busquets and Madrid had Alonso, they were not beasts right?

Be there talking as if football teams are 3-a-side

Nihilist:
It's ridiculous.

They keep shouting Higuain and ADM. At least Ororo managed to squeeze 2 trophies out of those clowns.

Messi with those two and no Xavi/Iniesta/Dinho/Neymar/fill in the gap has nothing but an assiete of heartbreak to show for it.

Funny that the only thing that Ronaldo has won with Portugal was won for him by eder. At least the golden balls Messi won with Argentina was a product of his efforts

Nihilist:
Typical barkabot behaviour. They will never admit that their mans success at Barka is in no small part due to stellar array of talent playing alongside him at Barka.

Remove him from Barka settings and na back to back to back flop for Argentina.

Until you win Balon Dor playing next to Darren Fletcher and Wes Brown, Eder and Jose Fonte, I don't wanna know.

If Ororo was playing with Xavi Iniesta Dinho etc, they woyld have renamed the trophy to Ororo D'or by now

If like kill yourself, it will not change the fact that Messi has achieved more than Ronaldo, while being younger. And he didn't have to move to the biggest club in the world to do that.
No matter how much you cry on this page. It won't change the fact that most players, pundits and coaches think Messi is better.


Who cares about the garbage opinion of some guy on nairaland named nihilist

Nihilist:
Context though.

Before Messi's 30th he was playing with Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Igwe, Deco, Etoo, Neymar, Suarez, Alves, etc

Before Ororo's 30th he was playing with Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher, John Oshea, Royston Drenthe and Emanueal Adebayor.

Context is key.

This guy and his penchant for idiotic comments.

Ronaldo played with cassilas, van der sat, Ferdinand, vidic , Rooney, Carlos tecez,Raul ozil, scholes, giggs.

Man united and real Madrid were bigger than barca before Ronaldo joined them but thanks to Messi, barca has leapfrogged man U and now competing favorably with Madrid

KingEbukasBlog:
after winner01 destroyed your assertions on your inane slavery arguments you still repeat them . lmao !!!

where does the bible support sexism ? Ancient Israel 3000 years ago had Miriam, who led them in the absence of Moses during their struggles in the wilderness ; they had Deborah , a prophetess, warrior and judge; they celebrated the efforts of Queen Esther who prevented their annihilation in the hands of their enemies ; they also had powerful Queens like Jezebel . How many Western countries can boast of women in power in this modern era ? Can America do that?

How can a sexist society have powerful women lead them in battle , judge their moral behaviour and inquire from a supposed sexist God ? Unreasonable argument again !

Misinterpretation of scriptures , ignorance of history and half baked logic - all dalaman needs when he argues

You are pointing to isolated circumstances in the bible to make a point. How is that different from when Muslims point to Aisha leading expeditions as proof that there is no sexism in Islam.

The bible clearly states in two different places in the NEW TESTAMENT that women should not be heard in church and that women are made for men. If that's not sexism, I don't know what is.

Krasid:
The point is that Ororo will still be ahead of Messi in the pecking order.

No. The point is this kind of thinking is fundamentally stupid and illogical and should not be seen on public forums.
I know you are trolling but please quality trolling.

Nihilist:
The day Pedro cops a Balon D'or, his place amongst the greats is sealed for life, no Heidi Klum.

I don't think you understand Messi's precarious predicament. To put in it's real perspective, If Mikel Obi manages to steal a Balon D'or tonight, he is automatically greater than Messi.

If Pedro manages to win a balon d' or today, he is automatically greater than Ronaldo.


See how easy it is to make absolutely inane comments?

KingEbukasBlog:
Its obvious you have no knowledge of the reason why the Moral argument exists . Explaining it would be a waste of time seeing that you don't understand what it means that morality is subjective : what you see as evil , another sees as good and vice versa ; there is no need to justify anything. There is a big wound on your feet , you inflicted on yourself, can you see it ?

Mehn... Shut the f*ck up!
You can't claim there is objective morality when morality is subject to time and place. Your morality is subject to the bible, some others are subject to the Qur'an. Morality is always influenced by environment and since environments differ, moralities differ