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DoctorAlien:
A person who performs an action without a reason is not necessarily unreasonable. Just like doing something with a reason doesn't necessarily make a person reasonable.

A person who performs an action is unreasonable. Only mad men or people with diminished mental capacities act or make choices without reas without reason.
But that's not even the point. The question is that does God arbitrarily decide what's good and what's not?

KingEbukasBlog:
God prohibits murder not killing .

There are many things that can lead to murdering someone - jealousy, hatred etc . The act of murdering someone is an act of wickedness and the aforementioned evil can be the cause of murder . And since God is the epitome of moral goodness, God is good meanwhile evil is the departure from good. These moral laws are in accordance to God's nature .

And our understanding of evil and good helped us construct the moral argument for God's existence.

1. if God does not exist , objective morals , values and duties do not exist

2. objective moral values and duties exist

3. Therefore , God exists.

As an atheist , morality is subjective to you ; why do you then condemn people who commit genocide and murder ? I mean if morality is down to just societal laws and personal perspective, then people who commit genocide, murder , oppress and torture people are doing good since its a norm in their society and it's a good thing from their perspective.

Honestly , there are no wise atheists; any atheist who discusses morality or condemns someone is just shooting himself on the foot . Because there is no reason at all to condemn someone else since you claim morality is subjective . You just making a fool of yourself whenever that happens,

1. Murder is the unjustifiable killing of another human being. Unless you can provide justification for all the killings carried out by God in the bible, your distinguishing of murder and killing is redundant and desperate.

2. It doesn't matter how many lines of balderdash u write, studies, stats and facts show that Christians are less compassionate than atheists, they are more likely to be racists, are more likely to be criminals. Every single measure shows that atheists are more humane than Christians.

3. You say morality is objective and given by God. This claim is just ridiculous in light of changing morality. The morality of the 16th century is markedly different from that of the 21st century. Apart from that, morality is subject to place. The morality of the Arabs is different from that of the Europeans. So how come morality is objective.

And to the crux of my original comment, that God is the giver of morality doesn't explain the reason for deciding what is moral or not. Why does God decide one act is moral and another is immoral.

Unlimited22:
Okay. Right.
Pls support this with a screenshot, let's be educated.
Thanks.
Don't do like uncle Raumdeuter

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/

See for yourself

Unlimited22:
So because of Bayern the whole Bundesliga is ahead of EPL?
Because of Bayern,Bundesliga champions, and the EPL's 5th placed team?
Wow.
Logic.

Not because of Bayern but because of uefa coefficient. UEFA recognizes bundesliga as the second best league in Europe ahead of the EPL. It doesn't matter what some shekpites or scummies think.

DoctorAlien:
That something was done without a "reason" does not necessarily make it unacceptable, just as an action is not necessarily acceptable just because it was done with a "reason".

Are u agreeing that God doesn't have a reason for prohibiting killing?
And the question is not whether it's acceptable or not, the question is does God act without purpose or reason. If he does, God is unreasonable and arbitrary

raumdeuter:
Its a coping mechanism, Like a mother whose son fails to top the class but consoles herself that at least her son has a better handwriting and richer than the others.

They all wished they were winning CL or their players making the balon dor podium regularly, when they cant get that, they start the We are competitive, we have fans, we have money

Lol.... Apt comparison

DoctorAlien:
How long will you continue to regurgitate this "Eutyphro dilemma" which is a dilemma only for the ignorant ones? The answer is very simple: killing is bad because GOD prohibits it. GOD is the source of morality.

Does God have a reason for prohibiting killing? If he doesn't, he acts without reason. If he does, there is a higher reason than god he subjects to

This question is one of the major objections to divine command theory under Philosophy 105, a university course. So I couldn't care less if Doctor Alien on nairaland wants to dismiss the question because he can't explain the dilemma

If God causes rainfall, that means the floods and storms that lead to the death of many innocent people are caused by God....

Ergo, God is a murderer

A person who advertises his threads like someone hawking sexual enhancement drugs opens yet another thread to label some people as attention seeking....
The Irony

OLAADEGBU:
Just say that you cannot think how this can be plausible. Your logic and reasoning ends there.

I think it's your inability to apply logic and reasoning that's the problem.... U believe a story that claims all species of animals were in the same ark. That includes penguins and other animals that can only survive in specific environments.

You also believe that a lion stayed with a goat for hundreds of days and didn't devour the goat.

The story of Noah's flood is enough reason to dismiss the bible as badly written folktales

victor8269:
Sins of their fathers

So if you're imprisoned because of something your great grandfather did, it will be okay

Am happy this thread made FP. Big thanks to KingEbukasblog

CeoMYN:
Mahn! Arguing with felixomor is just a waste of one's precious time.

Lol....

KingEbukasBlog:
Good welfare causes atheism ? No wonder the richest people on earth are atheists and the countries with high standard of living are atheist states . Praise Nothingness !

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/14/the-religion-of-millionaires-.html

I really have to spell this out for you?

1. We are speaking of countries not individuals. And even if you claim there are many rich Christians, there are many more poor and impoverished Christians.

2. Countries with the highest standard of living, highest minimum wage and best welfare programs are largely irreligious. And the poorest countries are generally very religious.

Now, the point is, atheism didn't cause the development and high standard of living. Its the other way round

bykebyke:
Sid Lowe on Messi being the best player in Spain, by 'a very, very long way'.

Sid Lowe is a freaking good writer, especially on Spanish football

KingEbukasBlog:
North Korea and Cuba don't depend on false hope that religion gives that's why they are doing so well . Praise Nothingness !

You apparently lack basic comprehension skills.

The point is- good welfare causes atheism and general disregard for religion not the other way round. It also doesn't mean every irreligious country is as a result of welfare.

When proving a point, u don't rely on anecdotes or isolated instances, u make your case by referring to over whelming statistical evidence.

KingEbukasBlog:
You seem uncomfortable when I tell the truth . I mean most atheist states are failed states . And if his intent was to suggest atheism as the solution , then its obvious that it will never work out . Just giving you guys a heads up in case any tries to even tacitly suggest atheism . No harm intended . Just saying the truth as always

Atheism is not the cause of development. Its the result or consequence. Countries with the best welfare programs are highly religious. Because there is no need for the false hope that religion gives

Just another proof that that story is a lie

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KingEbukasBlog:
Of course , where else will they source for help ?

Even when we explain those she will still remain intransigent about her views on them . Na their way .

What credible explanation have u people ever given.

I remember you justifying the murder of the Canaanites by saying Yahweh also killed the Israelites, as if two wrongs make a right.
If your explanations were sufficient, the arguments would have been redundant

dalaman:
I don't need to be a christian to know that most christians don't follow the dictates of the bible compared to muslims. Take any issue you will find christians on both sides of the issue for and against. Including things that are supposed to be clear cut. There are now conventional gay preachers, women preaches etc even when the bible is clear that such is not supposed to be the case. For example many christians say that hell is figurative and not a firey place of eternal torture , many refuse to follow the clear teachings of the bible on divorce, the pacifism that Jesus promoted and taught is never followed by anybody. The bible teaches that christians shouldn't sue each other to court but who abides by that injunction? Most Christians don't believe in the bible and it's teachings, they just follow what ever it is their minds tell them unlike muslims.

EOD!!

felixomor:
Many of us have powers Superior to the charms.

So we dont really care.
We are more than conquerors.

See how he's grinning from ear to ear. U too like food.

And why is hard mirror tormenting us with this pictures like this

felixomor:
Why wont i repeatedly beg u
When you have refused to have sense?
Haba

Mein... Boring

felixomor:
I beg u please.
Say something that is not foolish.
Biko

U keep repeating the same thing. I don't understand.

Are you incapable of thinking of something new?
I mean, even if you want to display your idiocy, it doesn't have to be the same brand of idiocy every single time

felixomor:
Hahahaha.
You had to start telling lies having seen your foolishness ba?
Mumudeen

What's this one saying like this?

It's like Jesus' foolishness is rubbing off on you

felixomor:
Its foolish to quote what u know zero about.
Thats foolishness.

Next

What I know zero about ?? The same guy that said the Egyptians had an agreement with Yahweh.

Olodo!!

felixomor:
Please dissapoint me once.
Say something that is not foolish

So it's foolish to say the holy spirit will teach us all things??

U know it was Christ that said that , Right? Brother Felix, are u saying Christ is foolish?

felixomor:
Mr man,
You dont know how the body of Christ works.

.The body of Christ works in tandem with the directions of the holy spirit. The bible says, the holy spirit will teach us ALL things. So if you want to know if surrogacy is a sin you ask the spirit

Oya, let's speak in tongues together-

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felixomor:
U must not be foolish at all times
Please try and make sense.
Its monday.
Haba

Abegii...

Come up with something new for once. U just keep churning out the same inane comments.....
Or are you a programmed robot?

felixomor:
Still no sense.
Sad

Am not surprised tho'.

You already told us that the way God intelligently designed your brain, it's in perpetual sleeping mode

felixomor:
You have never made sense in any discussion.
Not even on a Monday morning.
Sad

You this half baked Christian. It's obvious you don't have the holy spirit.

BTW, you are the last person that should be talking about making sense... It's common knowledge that you are the nairaland poster boy for intellectual deficiency.

This is disappointing. See Christians using head knowledge and human reasoning to determine spiritual matters.

So none of KingEbukasblog, felixomor, ishilove, pidgin2, analice107, Joshthefirst, or Olaadegbu have the holy spirit.