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Totally for abortion. The foetus is not a human being both scientifically and legally. And a lot of people are dying because of the criminalization of abortion. I personally don't see a drawback to legalizing abortion

brodalikeme:
Someone will just wake up confused and refusing to embrace wisdom, hide under the cloak of atheism and start spewing foolishness. If you are so confident of your belief, why attack another.

Maybe he's taking a cue from Christians... They call Muslims terrorists and atheists fools...
If you are so confident of your belief, why are u angry that someone is attacking it

sonofluc1fer:
Still a better story than the virgin birth.

Ouch!!

Pidgin2:
Which of the gods are you talking about or are you on drugs, how do we know you are not posting this from a psychiatric hospital?

Why are u getting so angry?? Or u wish to send bears to devour me like your god did?? Or offer me as burnt offering?? Or exterminate all Nigerians for what I did??

daviddext:
DO WHAT THE DEVIL IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.

DO WHAT THE SINFUL WORLD DO NOT LIKE.

IF SATAN HATE YOUR PRAYERS TO GOD, THEN PRAY.

IF 99% OF FEMALE PROSTITUTES LIKE WEARING TROUSERS AND SEDUCTIVE DRESS, THEN PUT ON SKIRTS AND DESCENT DRESS.

IF HELL-BOUND MEN LOVE LIES, THEN LOVE THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU ARE HEAVEN-BOUND.


CHILD OF GOD LET US CUT THE THINGS THAT MAY HINDER US FROM ENTERING OUR ETERNAL REST. MANY CHRISTIANS ARE IN ETERNAL BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LISTEN TO GOD'S PROPHETIC WORDS OF HIS COMING JUDGEMENT OVER THE REBELLIOUS.

If sinners love rice, hate rice. If prostitutes loves water, u must drink crude oil

Pidgin2:
You must be a satanist

Am not a satanist, I'm only objective and have common sense... The number of people killed by God alone would make hitler and Osama and napoleon cringe with disgust.
Not to mention the reasons he killed those people

brodalikeme:
Wouldn't have bothered about him, had he not entered my territory and yes. i have everything to back up my faith,

Everything to back up your faith. Like evidence? Plss tell us one

dayowunmi:
What do you mean by unresearched excuses? How rude! So whatever you think or say cannot be queried? What makes you different from a pharise, Mr I too know? Any dressing that is modest is okay. Is there anywhere in the Bible that trouser was defined as a male clothing article? I wonder where your bold assertion of wearing trouser being a sin is coming from. A woman can dress seductively even while wearing long gown. Dressing should be about modesty and not whether it's trouser or skirt.

Leave the guy... He is sole custodian of the holy spirit

Pidgin2:
My problem with satanist is that although they read the bible but they chose to venerate the worse character in it. They are 100% worse than atheists in my opinion

Satan is not the worst character in the bible. God is worst character

Am surprised the pastor didn't even burst into tongues

brodalikeme:
Hehehehehe. Plenty ignorant talk.

What do you have to back up all these you allusions?

According to you, there are several other gods, why do you pick up on only the Abrahamic God? Guess you have beef with Him. Stop hurting yrself bro

Why are u bothered about what he is writing?? And your allusions as a Christian, u have anything to back them up?

PDBonline:
Did you actually read before quoting Please read again.

Also check Greek-English dictionaries like I checked. Doulos is Slave. And you need to be interested in knowledge not just in trying to be right. The slavery that is wrong is the type of slavery you've been describing as wickedness not the ones allowed in the Bible which you seems to have blocked your sense of understanding to. Otherwise who is wicked when a man goes to voluntarily become someone else 's slave without coercion or when someone refuses to leave a master that said he can go free.

Now, I promise I won't answer YOU again except on issues of your objective source of right and wrong.

Plss, where is the bible reference showing that the slavery in the bible is voluntary?? Gimme one reference... Check the Op where I quoted a verse where God said they can purchase slaves... Tell me how slaves purchased as merchandize voluntarily became slaves

So u have the holy spirit and others don't, shey??...Christians are funny people sha

PDBonline:
The only response you will get from me is intended to prevent you from misleading people with confident error. The Greek word for that "servant" is doulos and it means "slave" "bondman" just as douloo means enslave.

This is an excerpt from a Christian website, grace to you:
” The word is doulos. Have you heard that word? The word is doulos. In the Greek, that word means “slave”--never means anything but “slave.” It doesn’t mean “servant”; it doesn’t mean “worker”; it doesn’t mean “hired hand”; it doesn’t mean “helper.” There are six or seven Greek words that mean “servant” in some form. Doulos never means “servant.” A servant is someone hired to do something. The slave is someone owned."
It even goes further to say that many places where the actual manuscript contain slave, servant is used but slave is never used in place of servant. So, your submission is wrong. When the bible says servant, it means servant. Those two references u quoted refer to servants.

PDBonline:
The Bible states how slaves should treat their masters with respect and how masters should not even threaten their slaves but give them what is just and fair (Ephesians 6:5-9; Colossians 4:1). That's definitely not the kind relationship you and the rest have in your minds when you say "slavery" or is it?

The concept of slavery is not a moral issue. God determines what is right or wrong and He doesn't forbid slavery, He indeed allows it(now I didn't say He commanded it.) especially when voluntary and He also allows for freedom too.
God didn't have to forbid slavery because there is no need for that if people will be kind to their slaves and if slaves can gain freedom.

Slavery and Imprisonment

1. Both are USUALLY against people's will. Perpetrated by those more powerful than them.

People end up in prison because they committed crimes? Yes. But must criminals be imprisoned? What about people who are thrown to jail because the government in power does not like them or is threatened by there freedom? What about "prisoners of war"?

2. There are circumstances where both slavery and imprisonment are by choice and circumstances when they are preferred to other options.

In fact there are situations when a slave is better than a prisoner, especially when they have masters who treat them like the Bible says. They have access to the resources of their masters (good food, good shelter etc), the marry, fulfill sexual gratification and have children. Most prisoners have their lives come to a halt. Again, this is not how God wants it. This is man's careless invention- because a man should always be given a chance to become better and improve his or her life as long as he lives.

3. Both MAY involve forced labour and inhuman treatment.

4. Both have possibility of freedom

5. Both may be the result wickedness or kindness, injustice or justice for example during war situations

6. Both can bring positive changes AS JUDGED BY THE "VICTIM'S" EXPERIENCE not the society.

7. Both can actually be one experience: an imprisoned slave.

8. God doesn't forbid any of them. In fact, He allows both. But God teaches us to love all humans- slave or free, prisoner or free

Apart from the issue raised by eyehategod, Colossians and Ephesians was very late for a reaction from God...slaves had already suffered for centuries and neither god nor jesus fixed it and even Paul's admonition didn't fix it as it was meant for servants not slaves.
And we are not discussing isolated situations here, imprisonment is not better than slavery. I already told you, imprisoning innocent people for whatever reason is bad.. And it doesn't matter how much resources u give a slave, if he's still a merchandize to you, it's wrong. There is a reason slavery has been abolished, and imprisonment is still allowed. Humans have succeeded where God failed in determining that slavery is wrong

TheNazarene:
God warned Abimelech because of Abraham.


Did Jephtah inquire of God? Because the elders of his clan came to him to ask him to lead them, he thought he could go in his strength with God as backup?

And please stop adding to the Bible, where is it stated that God accepted tthe vow?

God performing His duties doesn't translate to vow accepted.

He went in his strength?? Are u kidding me right now?? A man was ready to sacrifice anything in order to get God's help and u say he went in his strength?
Is it every sacrifice that God announces his acceptance. Why did he win the battle for him? Why didn't he simply tell him that the vow was wrong?? U have been avoiding these questions for some time, plss answer them

TheNazarene:
what are you saying He called Israel for Himself, to serve Him. He protected them in Egypt, in the wilderness and many more, doesn't that say quite a lot that their security is guaranteed?

Jephtah made a vow out of fear because He did not believe that the God who protected them before will do so again, and his vow/blasphemy burnt him and you want to blame God?

It just like a child making vow to the parents to give food? Whaaat?

So, this is the basis of your argument now?? That a vow was not needed therefore a girl deserves to be burnt alive?? Why did God accept his vow? Why did god help him win the battle? Why didn't god simply tell him, I don't need your vow?

TheNazarene:
If we are to go by Leviticus 22:21, can we say that Jephtah redeemed his daughter?

Lets read the NIV version of Leviticus 27:2
Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate persons to the Lord by giving equivalent values,

can you please not pick verses that are not meant to be standalone? From the verse, God was saying something to Israel and you choose to bring out a 'phrase' from what He said, why don't you give us full details?

Your quote from Numbers still boils down to what Jephtah did: MAKING A VOW OUT OF FEAR AN UNBELIVE that's what the Israelites did there?

Lookd like you didn't grasp my qquestion well...
This is the simplicity of my question?

Show us where God explicitly stated that until you make a vow to me then will I deliver you?

Guy, whether God stated it or not is not relevant to the fact in issue. Making vows was not a sin. Shikena... God even accepted Jephthah's vow by helping win the battle

TheNazarene:
Was ishmael a sinner?
God answered the prayer of hagar because ishmael did not deserve to die or did he?

Was Abimelech a sinner?
Abimelech asked Abraham if Sarah was his wife and out of fear/respect of a king, Abraham said no, so God spoke to Abimelech because he was ignorant.


Concerning the bolded, I put it to you that if Jephtah's daughter wasn't wayward and was on very good terms with her father, she greets her father like the way a child should, Jephtah wouldn't have made that vow?

As regards the first part... Abimelech was a sinner, he was a pagan and didn't serve God. But God still warned him because he was innocent, why didn't God warn Jephthah that his daughter or any human being would welcome him... Y accept the vow and win the battle for him. Even after the battle, god could have told him to change the vow to something else but he didn't... God is culpable for this terrible act

EyeHateGod:
Num 21:2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities.
Num 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

Pastor EyeHateGod... More anointing sirsir

TheNazarene:
Was ishmael a sinner?
God answered the prayer of hagar because ishmael did not deserve to die or did he?

Was Abimelech a sinner?
Abimelech asked Abraham if Sarah was his wife and out of fear/respect of a king, Abraham said no, so God spoke to Abimelech because he was ignorant.


Concerning the bolded, I put it to you that if Jephtah's daughter wasn't wayward and was on very good terms with her father, she greets her father like the way a child should, Jephtah wouldn't have made that vow?

What!! Argh!! How can u say something like that.
1. It's not true. Jephthah loved his daughter. Read the reference I gave in the Op. He was very sad. He only made that vow because he didn't know his daughter will be f first to welcome him
2. It's a terribly ugly thing to say. Because u want to justify the burning of a human being, u are now questioning the character and making assumptions. Even if she was wayward, did she deserve to get burnt?? Plssd never say that again, u are better than that

TheNazarene:
Who said making a vow is not acceptable to God?

I am saying concerning the protection of the children of Israel, a vow isn't needed because it is God's primary duty.

How hard is it to comprehend?

That something is not needed doesn't make it a sin. Hannah made a vow too and god was perfectly okay with it... God was okay with Jephthah making the vow, that's why he won the battle for him, even though the vow was burning a human being.
The fact that a vow is not needed is completely inconsequential and should be totally discountenanced

PDBonline:
I didn't know you came here to fight. If you can't discuss intelligently without bringing in emotions and using abusive words you don't have to participate in such discussions.

But if you are ready to discuss intelligently, please tell me under what circumstances are people enslaved (the ones the Bible talks about) and how people are not imprisoned under the same circumstances. Do people usually go to prison intentionally or is it usually against their will? Are people captured during war situations imprisoned? etc

You don't have to answer if you are more driven by anger than by reason.

Imprisoning people for the crimes they committed is not wrong but imprisoning innocent people is wrong... Imprisonment can be right or wrong depending on the s circumstances. Slavery, however is always wrong. It's wrong to buy people as merchandize and to use them as labourers with that paying them... That is slavery. Do u think it's right?? I would like to know

chrmn1:
Yes he could have set them free but remember they would still need to pay their bills and if he just gave them money to start up something, did they have the required expertise to manage the funds? That scripture that talks about slaves requesting to remain slaves rather than being free, I didn't make it up. It was a valid proposition at the time. I cannot tell you how many people would voluntarily accept to be slaves because the Bible didn't mention that. Similarly, you cannot state how many they were. Now the scriptures that show slaves/servants as dignified human beings, you say those are servants whilst the ones that don't portray them as such you say they are slaves even when both words are used interchangeably through out the OT further indicating that the idea of slavery you have is not exactly what was practiced. For a slave to have hope of becoming one of his master's generals indicates that the 'slavery' was not what you would have wanted it to be. That act by Abraham on Hagar, do you realize that God did not sanction it, it was a desperate move from Abraham's wife. I'm waiting for your proof that kidnapping is the more appropriate word because at least I gave you a few. For every example of 'converse' vis a vis 'conversion' there are 10 more examples of 'converse' vis a vis 'conversation' type words. Many thanks.

He could have given them small change and they would have become farmers or something... He kept them as slaves... Slave are unpaid laborers, no wages only feeding. That's the difference between slaves and servants.
I can tell that no one will want to be treated as merchandize so not many people will want to be slaves. At that time, there were a lot of wars and the captured prisoners of war usually became slaves... Slaves had no right. They could be sold, beaten even killed.
God did not sanction the rape of Hagar but he did not condemn it either... In fact he blessed the child that came forth from the rape. When David had sex with Beersheba, god condemned the act by punishing him so god keeping quiet about Abraham's rape of Hagar is at the very least tacit acquiescence.
If most of the versions use the word kidnappers and it's equivalent, it's likely that the higher number of versions are correct

orunto27:
God freed The Israelites from Slavery in Egypt. Jesus told the Rich and Wealthy man to free his Slaves to enable him make Heaven. The Law about loving your neighbours like yourself and Jesus' commandment to us to love ourselves as He loves us are all about freedom from slavery. May God bless you with proper Understanding. Amen.

God freed the Israelites from slavery but told them can purchase their own slaves?? That double standards

TheNazarene:
Eyehategod and randomperson, did you guys read the closing notes on my lengthy post?

It is written that God called forth Israel out of Egypt. Israel is His nation, He is their protection. It is God's duty to protect them.

How many vows did David make for God to give him victories?
How many vows did Solomon make for God to grant him peace on all sides?
How many vows did Gideon make for the defeat of the midianites?
How many vows did Samson make to overpower the Philistines?
How many vows did Deborah make?

Please if you guys can show us Bible passages that God asked the Israelites to make a vow before He grants them victory over their enemies, I will be glad.

Making a vow is acceptable to God, especially in return for a favor from God... Hannah made a vow to get Samuel.... Making vows is definitely not wrong. Jephthah was not even a sinner. God appointed him to save the children of Israel and god won the battle for him... God was definitely an important part of the whole story, he was not passive..
Jephthah decided to use his only daughter as burnt offering and God did not object... God shouldn't have won the battle for him if making vows was wrong. But God won the battle for him knowing that the daughter will be the one that will come out to meet her father... That is not good, that's wicked

TheNazarene:
It is written that God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth!

Not in fear and doubts.

And no true son of God fears anything other than God their Father.

So in this light, for Jephtah to be so afraid to make that unnecessary vow, he automatically qualifies a sinner by that attribute.

And it is written that the prayer of a sinner is an abomination unto God.

Now, if God cannot answer your prayer, shey E go give audience to the so called agreement/pact/oath/vow you want to make with Him?

No, infact do whatever He won't regard you.

God answered the prayer of Hagar, he spoke to abimelech... This is not even for the sake of Jephthah, the guilty party but the sake of the daughter... Should a good god allow an innocent girl to get burnt because of the failings of her father??

airmark:
Emphasy is on larger number of stvpid defenders in laliga. You and your stvpid logic. Arsenal and leicester topped their groups to qualify in ucl. How many did same from burnthisleaguedown?



There's a reason messi has not scored a goal against chelsea in over 9 hours of match duration.

Do you have facts to prove this assertion that LA liga has higher numbers of bad defenders or you're just butthurt that LA liga keeps outshining the EPL

EyeHateGod:
Jdg 11:32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; aJdg 11:33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, [even] twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. and the LORD delivered them into his hands.
Jdg 11:33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, [even] twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

After making the Vow the lord accepted @underlined abi na only me day see this??

Wow.. Good job. Didn't even notice that

akintom:
Atheism has as its part mission, to exhaust religious mindsets, to the point of break. So that rational sense can take over.

Don't mind the guy... Anytime a verse in the bible says something that I'd considered wrong, they start to use things not in the bible... If the bible says 1+1=3, u'll hear something like the bible doesn't really mean 3, sometimes 3 can mean 3-1, therefore the bible actually meant 3-1.... They work from an assumption of correctness backwards

dankol:
seriously.. i salute your courage to speakout. i am really impressed cos, you have clearly proved that some persons can still actually do some logical reasoning ans still choose to be a christian and that i sure respect. Pastor Logic.. Thumbs up sir

There are good and open minded Christians after all...

akintom:
When a friend (Catholic Church member) was trying to comprehend a life without god, she started wondering-

* how it will be like not to pray,

* what to call out to fight imaginary enemies

*something to call when in danger of arm robbery, car accident, when threatened by witch doctor etc

This is the life of delusion that you religious folks, are morbidly afraid to abandon.

You guys are afraid of loneliness(life without your imaginary doG, nazarene and ghost).

I had been in the religious realm. It's a world full of foolish and dumb assumptions. You're not an exception.

He is not an exception?? C'mon, he is a living conclusive proof