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American company GE Appliance is owned by Chinese
American company Motorola Mobility is owned by Chinese
British company mini is owned by Germans
British company Rolls Royace is owned by Germans
British company Cadbury is owned by Americans
British company Jaguar and Land Rover is owned by Indians
British Steel owned by Indians
Hungarian KTM owned by Indians
Indian Company Flipkart owned by American walmart

This is called Investment, Money does not grow on trees you need investment to sustain and grow. Let the free market decide.
No need to go on Venezuelan path.
Or do you think American, German, British, Indian, Chinese governments and their investors are stupid??

While you guys are bragging here, go and see how your government representatives, Ambassadors are trying to persuade investors from Britain, China, India, USA etc to come and invest. Trying to show them their "Investor and Business Friendly Environment".
Atleast we Kenyans are open, pragmatic, We need more and More investment. If you think its not good for your country then why not protest to your own government??

samorobo:
So you would love if Chinese,Indians, British own everything in Kenya and also keep ruling and top over your laggard asses in the hierarchy of wealth...

If you want to Install a mega project like dangote Refining complex, You do not have too many options.
Only US, Germany, India, China, Russia are the countries have the Companies/Design Consultant Firms capable to Plan, Design and Construct a Complex projects like that. They got the contract, once finished and commissioned its Dangotes property to operate.
Dont twist this fact.

Danielnino00:
See this mumu.. Dangote is the one employing Indians to work for him..in Kenya it's the other way.. the Indians are on top of the rich list with the Mois and Kenyattas behind them..

What can u invest in Nigeria with $14m?
How many Kenya companies are in Nigeria and west Africa as a whole?
Do Kenya firms even have the capacity to invest outside east Africa ?

Have you visited any of above stated countries?
Forget about India (That is in different class and within 8,9 years going to rule the world along with China and US).
Firstly Pakistan makes fabrics not clothes on large scale No western company is moving to Pakistan. Update yourself and go to IMF website and see Pakistan is on verge of collapse and running on IMF program, Secondly there are not big apparel manufacturer from west, Most of them from Asia, Western brands just give them contract ordered. India infect discouraging apparel industries and dont want low end , low skill jobs in country. that is why you will see Indian fabric , apparel manufacturer installing factories in Africa (Mostly Ethiopia and few Rwanda)


I suggest you leave your village for once and visit something nearby, if get a chance visit Hawasa Industrial Park (Addis Abbaba). 90% of the companies in that Ethiopian park are from China and India.
You will see how they are training the workforce, Last year a High end Fabric maker Raymond send 40 Ethiopian School Graduate to India for technical training course. Now those 40 Ethiopian youth are trained.

Mbakuthegreat:
Are you stupid? Companies moving in India and Pakistan are looking for cheap labour to manufacture easy stuff, most education based jobs are still in China. A lot of western clothes manufacturing companies are in Pakistan and India and they are even hiring children to do their job, do you believe these poor childrens are genius? How superior is Ethiopias education than the Nigerian, if it even is? Again top education based jobs will continue to remain in western countries and china for a long while, but jobs that anyone, even your illiterate tribesman can do with some training are moving into countries with cheap labour.... I shouldn't have to explain this.....

why showing us your illiteracy by using uncivilized language on public forum?

Odunayaw:
Your own words

You were talking about Boko or you're trying to smear shyte on your face

Doesn't Boko terrorist live on Ground? or they fly in shiny SU-30s??

Odunayaw:
A ground attack aircraft is the real deal? Your moniker doesn't tally with your reasoning

Although this is a Chinese copy of MIG 21 but it can be effective against those Jihadi Boko Terrorists.
I dont see Nigeria going to war with any neighboring country(Only in that case you never know outcome) thus it is fine, But just because Nigeria bought this please dont tel us this is 4th gen fighter.

Better upgrade you inventory of Jaguars, The real deal.

kabe1:
Did you actually go through my post?

Can you post a link from the Pakistani Defence saying they shot down India's MIG-21 with a JF-17.

I didn't tell you JF-17 shot down MIG-21.

Until recently, only France used the Rafale, the fact is Myanmar bought 16 units, Nigeria has ordered 3 units. The JF-17 has had export success for such a new aircraft.

Please read my post again.

Just one correction, Even China dont use this trash. They have another.

komekn:
Which other air-force apart from China and Pakistan who jointly make this aircraft use it and have recorded any measured successful combat experience with it As you expect Pakistan wil always hype their own aircraft good or bad. In a war situation the first casualty is the TRUTH.


The PAF claimed its JF-17s had shot down two Indian fighters pursuing strike planes into Pakistani airspace. However, while the loss of one upgraded Indian MiG-21 Bison was confirmed and its pilot captured, India subsequently displayed fragments of American-made AIM-120 missiles only compatible with Pakistan’s F-16s, casting some doubt on whether the PAF’s Thunders were responsible for the kill.

This plane is being marketed dropping a few bombs on a rag tag insurgent group does not amount to battle proven IMO.

At first you were so shocked to see how tunneling is progressing in Tanzania, you ended up saying that wasn't TZ but Dubai
Post here the same Sentence where i said its from Dubai, Just copy from my comment and paste word to word, You cant because i never said, i just raised my questions and doubts.

When I proved you wrong,you changed a story and pretending you worry about quality!? Why didn't you say that at first?
Because it was you who told me that it is a turkish contractor (which i never heard of, and i am sure most of the people here) and then concern of quality was bound to come.

And you are empty as far as civil engineering is concerned. Do u even know why we use consulting firms in civil work?
Dude here you are too far, We never know the guy sitting on other end of computer, who it can be, what he may have accomplished. When it comes to technology , Industries and mega projects ITS MY CORE . if yes then why not create a separate thread and lets see.

Do you know the previous stuff which Yapi merkez have done?[/quote]No i dont, I never heard of there may be atleast thousands of civil contractors in Central Asian region, how can someone knows everyone??

You always knows the World market leaders or the famous ones, Tell me do you know Kechaoda phone? (I had to find this from net, even i wasnt aware cause there are hundreds of such cheap brands) but i am sure you Must have known leaders like Apple, Smasung, Xiaomi, HTC, Motorola, Sony.

I am not a person who just envy something good happening in neighborhood (i appreciate) being an Engineer i just ask questions, You can refer my past posts where i was openly raised question on Kenyan white elephant Rail project, same thing or worst can happen to you guys as well. We cant be envy of each other we are all same.

Kazikazi:
Are you talking about L&T an Indian company?
At first you were so shocked to see how tunneling is progressing in Tanzania, you ended up saying that wasn't TZ but Dubai!
When I proved you wrong,you changed a story and pretending you worry about quality!? Why didn't you say that at first?
And you are empty as far as civil engineering is concerned. Do u even know why we use consulting firms in civil work?
Do you know the previous stuff which Yapi merkez have done?

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Ha ha , Nice try but here comes the Fact He is Kenyan Citizen, He can not be citizen of India, and you know why? BECAUSE INDIA DONT ALLOW DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

Seems to me you have some inferiority complex that not so much Expects and Businessmen come to your country and Not so much business involvement? Keep trying one day things may change.
Remember Nairobi is a Cosmopolitan City where world communities and expects come, deals, invest, Talk business and enjoy, We appreciate that we have so much to offer and many visitors, technical experts and Expatriates come to Kenya. Not only this improves inter countries business relations and global reach of the nation but boosts economy and tax revenues as well.

obaaderemi:
An Indian citizen of Indian descent.

Glass empty??
I would say Arial Food is owned by a Kenyan citizen.

obaaderemi:
Ariel Food is owned by an Indian settler in Kenya.

I was wondering the same coz L&T would not come in this continent for small projects, Never heard of this Turkish contractor But Best of luck for quality i hope it will not be like messy and crumbly like Istanbul train system, i hope you guys have any 3rd party auditor/QC Control Contractor for this project, If you have independent QC Controller from another Country then it may be okay for project. Good wishes.

Kazikazi:
Are you saying the engineers are wearing L& T overalls just because they have same colors like that of L&T?
Dude,am not sure about L&T doing anything in the project.
Our main contractor is Yapi Merkez from Turkey.there are sub contractors involved, mostly local.

Yes,the pictures are of Tanzania. Let me upload more for you to see those engineers dress and other engineering stuff

NB: TRC=Tanzania Railway Corporation

Just one question, Engineers standing in pic are wearing L&T standard site dress. (I worked in Dubai thus i can identify). Is it indeed Tanzania?? If yes and If indeed L&T is doing this job than its amazing, This is indeed going to be Showcase project in Africa, They are at the epitome of such mega projects i have seen how they have transformed Al Jabel and Musket Road bridge infrastructure. But i have my doubt that L&T will come to Tanzania for any small project. any Source would be welcomed.

Kazikazi:
Tanzania's SGR construction update: Tunneling in progress around Dodoma

It costs more money to do these high tech engineering stuff than electrifying a village!

There are no "Kenyan" owned companies in Alaro City. There are 3 small Indian and British firms that that operate from Kenya Colony.
How do you describe a Kenyan? By skin color? Clearly Chandaria Industries Registered in kenya by Kenyan Citizens, Paying taxes to Kenyan Government providing jobs. Sometimes you people are funny. Sorry to say but you still stuck in colonial mindset. World is free, Chains of differences,races are breaking and you people still at same point. We we Kenyans are proud to anyone who is our citizen and doing something good for this country.
Another point, why you posted image of Airtel?? do you know Airtel is Indian Multinational operated HQ from India and has nothing to do with Kenya. what was the point?

AskiaHarem:
There are no "Kenyan" owned companies in Alaro City. There are 3 small Indian and British firms that that operate from Kenya Colony.

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Absolutely True, And even in those country if you any family with more then 2 kids you can easily guess they are Muslim.

obaaderemi:
Huge population can even be a blessing to Africa if we know what to do with it and get the demography right. China and India for example have huge populations but you hardly see a family having more than two kids in those countries.

Exactly that is the problem we all have in this continent, Low self esteem and some kind of inferiority complex.
At one site in Al Jabel while i was preparing Cold Loop Test, i heard a white guy from L&T(Probably British) brutally shouting at One of the HP Boiler welder (Ghanaian guy), seems to be some kind of big problem in his working. Incidentally one of the Indian Engineer(probably from the same team) came and inquired about that same valve welding. Within minuted argument shifted between British and Indian engineer , he literally humiliated British on some technical grounds and praised that Ghanian welder for right connect welding and asked why he was unable to answer that white guy properly, welder didnt replied seems to me that Indian Engineer understood the problem and Left the site with saying If you know you are right then never assume someone has more knowledge just be cause he is different then you. I always remember those words. Problem is deep within us.
We know the problem but not the solution. Now we need to look for solution. What we are doing is taunting each other and this is not going to help us in anyway.

gallivant:
Stop looking down on yourself, I am African just like you. No need to put Indians on a higher pedestal because you accept you are inferior to them. Get psychological help.

Any country that Does not posses "ThermoNukes + Delivery systems (ICBMs)+ Own Satellite Navigation System + Nuclear Submarine(Boomers) + SLBMs" is at the mercy of USA and Its allies.

That is why you will not see any US(NATO) attack on Russia, India and China. There may be Economic sanctions, restrictions but there will be never an All out war between NATO and Russia, India, China (Unless its Armageddon day and everyone wants to do suicide as well). There will be mutual assured destruction of all.

NO ONE IS SAFE IN THIS WORLD EXCEPT THESE 3 COUNTRIES.

You can hit your neighbor if you are sure that he dont any any capability and resources to harm you in any way ie he is unarm, But you will not do this against neighbor who has an assault rifle and has same resources,capabilities to hit you in the same manner, Unless you are crazy and ready to die as well. This is reality of the world.

TayserMahri:
Duude!!! You must join the coffin dancers now. You're misusing your phd here! In the 21st century population means zilch. In fact even in the past population never meant much, compared to money, weapons, training, morale and strategy. And theres no military strength without money. Money rules, thats why the US outlasted the soviets, its why Russia cant stand the US today despite having comparative weapons. Its also why China and India are minnows to the US. They have billions of people but cant stand the US. So nah, your phd is weak!!!

crippling Iran will come with a big price no one is ready to pay
Same thing was said for Iraq look what happened to Iraq, It was bombed to ashes, Saddam was killed. Its just matter of time and few global supports.

Iran is a kid trying to pretend as an adult. China needs its energy and cant trust American allies for Oil supply, That is why it is protecting Iran.

From Fake Wooden replicas of Naval Ships, Tanks made of Styrofoam, and did you forgot Morphed image of Fighter airplane?. Iran has done in past thus it does not have credibility. Its not even able to make Ventilator for current crisis, while all the name you mentioned US, Japan, India, Germany, China makes their own ventilators.

Very Important Point to Remember any country that Does not posses "ThermoNukes + ICBMs+ Own Satellite Navigation System + Nuclear Submarine(Boomers) + SLBMs" is on mercy of USA and Its allies, Iran has none and it can be send to Stone age. That is why you will not see any US(NATO) attack on Russia, India and China. This is how world works.

Efewestern:
Definitely, Iran is no where near big players like US, Japan, China Germany and India, but in the region, they are one of the big player, also we need to consider the fact that despite have been under crippling sanctions, they have made significant technological and scientific growth.

As for India, Iran is more developed and has a better standard of living, India only has more industries than Iran.



crippling Iran will come with a big price no one is ready to pay.

Pitch Recycling Plant (Patented by an Indian and British Joint venture),Imported in Iran This is just before the Trump again sanctioned iran.

Iran is definetly better then any country in this continent, But It is nothing infront of big Players like US, Japan, India, Germany, China etc.

Any of the above stated nation can cripple Iran (If they want too), Their Industrial capacity, Capabilities dwarfs what Iran can even dream of.

Efewestern:
So Turbines, Heat Exchangers, Centrifugal Pumps, Giant Fractionating column produced by Iran's indigenous companies like Machine Sazi Arak aren't high-tech too?

Just like every nation, they import certain equipments they don't produce, saying without India or France, Iran would have turned to Yemen is BS.

A little research on Iran's petroleum industry will reveal so many equipments needed are produced locally by various indigenous companies.

Frac Column with Striping Tray and Intermediate vapor recovery system, Imported in Iran (Image during site installation)

Efewestern:
So Turbines, Heat Exchangers, Centrifugal Pumps, Giant Fractionating column produced by Iran's indigenous companies like Machine Sazi Arak aren't high-tech too?

Just like every nation, they import certain equipments they don't produce, saying without India or France, Iran would have turned to Yemen is BS.

A little research on Iran's petroleum industry will reveal so many equipments needed are produced locally by various indigenous companies.

A heat Exchanger can be made of two simple Pipe tubing in one container(Anyone can make that), another Heat exchanger can be Cryogenic (Except US, Germany, Japan, France, India, China) no one else makes them also there are High Pressure TF to Gas Exchangers which no one in Iran makes, Same for Fractionating column, Connects some trays and you make them but when it comes to Striping Design based Fractionating colums again Iran imports them. Attached is the image of HP TF Gas Excahnger, Iran can dream of it.

Efewestern:
So Turbines, Heat Exchangers, Centrifugal Pumps, Giant Fractionating column produced by Iran's indigenous companies like Machine Sazi Arak aren't high-tech too?

Just like every nation, they import certain equipments they don't produce, saying without India or France, Iran would have turned to Yemen is BS.

A little research on Iran's petroleum industry will reveal so many equipments needed are produced locally by various indigenous companies.

They have High end Bajaj and TVS motobikes, Here is yellow Bajaj Pulser NS, But due to Currency devaluation they are very expensive in iran.
I clicked while eating an Iceream.

dermmy:
But the cars I'm seeing in that picture you uploaded are cool cars though not all. You don't expect everyone in Iran to be rich, modern societies are class societies stratified along classes. Rich and poor, the haves and have nots. So you don't expect every car in every country to be of luxury.

I dont argue too much, i just expressed my views, BTW yes that is high tech product, That has Quad redundant control system, Ask anyone from Control System Engineering Background and that you will realize.

Efewestern:
Did you really expect those cars to be all over the place? these are recent productions, it was during the early 2010's did automobile industry in Iran start fixing airbags and making changes and improvement on designs on their cars. Even at that, the pictured on this image doesn't look like cars produced in the 80's but mid 90's and early 200s's.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us how Indians and Italians are the ones running Iran's economy. I love learning new things.



Is this the high tech equipment you kept saying?

They are horrible, Inefficient and by no mean you can compare them with modern cars,Except there are some lower end Pugeots are available. Motorbikes are crzed over there, They are Crazy about Bajaj and TVS Motorbikes (Not the same models what we see in this continent) What i learn is that, Iran is nothing, There industrial capabilities are nothing if the day China, India, France completely stops trade and supply. That is what US wants.

dermmy:
But the cars I'm seeing in that picture you uploaded are cool cars though not all.

See again, 99% are late 80s 90s Design Iran Khodro or few new Peugeot.

dermmy:
Are you saying every street in Iran should be filled up with cars like the first picture Efewestern posted? And by the way do you watch news have you seen Iran on BBC, Aljazeera, CNN and the rest?

One of the Petrochemical complex installed was an Indian Company, iran can dream in for 100 years, DCS Hot Redundant system (Rack and card redundancy), I was there on Learning project assignment (While i was studying Engineering In India) by my University (University had Collaboration for various Industries)., Sulfur removal machines were from Ingersoll Rand (made in France)

Efewestern:
Remove China, France and India from Iran and it will be like Yemen? Are you kidding me? In the middle east, Iran in the least country with foreign experts, the economy is ran by Iranians unlike Kuwait, Qatar or Saudi Arabia. Iranians are very educated, one of the highest literacy level in the region. Situations are dire due to crippling sanctions, this we all know, but Iranians enjoy basic amenities than most citizens in African countries including Nigeria.

Who is talking about corruption? We all know the mullahs aren't saints, but so far they have done so much despite being disadvantaged.

You keep mentioning High-end tech equipments, why not tell us the equipments they import so we can verify, If I tell you Iran's jets are flying coffin, you can easy verify that, not making some vague claims.

Attached is a random picture of traffic in Tehran, if you zoom you'd see some cars I sent earlier.

Tehran main square, Another image, Tell me where are those cars?

Efewestern:
Remove China, France and India from Iran and it will be like Yemen? Are you kidding me? In the middle east, Iran in the least country with foreign experts, the economy is ran by Iranians unlike Kuwait, Qatar or Saudi Arabia. Iranians are very educated, one of the highest literacy level in the region. Situations are dire due to crippling sanctions, this we all know, but Iranians enjoy basic amenities than most citizens in African countries including Nigeria.

Who is talking about corruption? We all know the mullahs aren't saints, but so far they have done so much despite being disadvantaged.

You keep mentioning High-end tech equipments, why not tell us the equipments they import so we can verify, If I tell you Iran's jets are flying coffin, you can easy verify that, not making some vague claims.

Attached is a random picture of traffic in Tehran, if you zoom you'd see some cars I sent earlier.

Online Toxious gases removal system, Imported from India(No chance of such systems will be made in iran in next 50 years)
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Efewestern:
Remove China, France and India from Iran and it will be like Yemen? Are you kidding me? In the middle east, Iran in the least country with foreign experts, the economy is ran by Iranians unlike Kuwait, Qatar or Saudi Arabia. Iranians are very educated, one of the highest literacy level in the region. Situations are dire due to crippling sanctions, this we all know, but Iranians enjoy basic amenities than most citizens in African countries including Nigeria.

Who is talking about corruption? We all know the mullahs aren't saints, but so far they have done so much despite being disadvantaged.

You keep mentioning High-end tech equipments, why not tell us the equipments they import so we can verify, If I tell you Iran's jets are flying coffin, you can easy verify that, not making some vague claims.

Attached is a random picture of traffic in Tehran, if you zoom you'd see some cars I sent earlier.

All i can see a few Merc thats all,
Here are Images during my 3 visits and 2 year stay, 1. View from my Taxie, Image 2 (Online Toxic gases removal system, was imported from India, Maybe in next 50 years Iran will make), Size of image is too high ,I am opening my another hard disk and will share more good pics,
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Efewestern:
Remove China, France and India from Iran and it will be like Yemen? Are you kidding me? In the middle east, Iran in the least country with foreign experts, the economy is ran by Iranians unlike Kuwait, Qatar or Saudi Arabia. Iranians are very educated, one of the highest literacy level in the region. Situations are dire due to crippling sanctions, this we all know, but Iranians enjoy basic amenities than most citizens in African countries including Nigeria.

Who is talking about corruption? We all know the mullahs aren't saints, but so far they have done so much despite being disadvantaged.

You keep mentioning High-end tech equipments, why not tell us the equipments they import so we can verify, If I tell you Iran's jets are flying coffin, you can easy verify that, not making some vague claims.

Attached is a random picture of traffic in Tehran, if you zoom you'd see some cars I sent earlier.

I had never seen these cars on roads of Tehran. Remove China, India France from Iran and it will be Yemen.
Situation there is dire. You think there is no corruption over there? You can not realize unless you go and talk to people in private.

Hotels in Tehran are full of Chinese, Indian and French Businessmen and Engineers(They are the lifeline of Iran). Iran makes low tech equipment rest are imported. I can literally post thousands of Industrial equipment, Technology being imported in Iran. I lived there for 2 years.

Iran is better then Arab world no doubt,

Efewestern:
Yes many countries depend on others for drugs supply, but no reasonable nation will import 80% of the drugs she needs, Iran barely imports 30% of the drugs she consumes, the remaining 70% are sourced domestically, Iran is also leading in biotech drugs. Drugs Iran find difficult to produce are mostly cancer drugs, what this means that if everyone shuts its doors against the republic, they'd survive, can Nigeria survive without others?

Most high end engineering equipments are produced locally, maybe you are confusing Iran with Saudi Arabia. Presently, some of their cars are far from basic, since 2010, Iran auto mobile industry has improved on their designs, capacity etc, below are some cars recently produced In Iran.

We have no single reason to be where we are today, if a country under 4-decades of crippling sanctions, being ruled by Islamic headliners can make significant progress in science and technology, Nigeria has no single excuse to give, our leaders failed us, no need sugar coating the truth.

Not its not fair to criticize Nigeria for that. Its not only Nigeria that is dependent on India to supply Medicines and Healthcare equipment, Many countries do, Outside the USA, India has the Highest number Pharmaceutical plants approved by USFDA Quality standards.
You have given example of Iran, Except some basic Medicines and Simple Vaccines, Most of the Medicines Healthcare supply in Iran comes from India or France.

Yes Cars they produce themselves with help of Peugeot (Iran Khodro, Very basic cars, like late 80s design, I hated to see them running at 100KMPH), rest all the High end Engineering equipment comes from France, India, China.

Efewestern:
Chief, Iran is light years ahead of us, the average Iranian has a better standard of living than the average Nigerian, in Iran they enjoy 24/7 electricity (they export to neighboring countries), they produce every thing they consume, cars, electronics, steel, everything is being produced locally, meanwhile in Nigeria we import basically everything, even petroleum, what a shame.

Iran's literacy level is one of the highest in the region, far higher than that of any west African country. their health system is 20x better than ours, most medical equipments and drugs are sourced locally, they only import certain drugs they find difficult to produce, meanwhile in Nigeria, we depend on India for drugs and medical supplies.

Our leaders are visionless, if they had invested in our human resources like Iran did, we'd have taken our rightful place in the world.

A very valid question. In Australia, US, India, Canada etc they are all get selected by a definite system that follows the manual, that is based upon merit and seniority. They never involves (Try to influence) in politics as that is not their job. These countries are true functional democracies unlike what we sees in this continent.

PrinxArthur1:
do you know the chief of staff to trump,Australia pm,India, Canada, brazil etc