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kolawaxxy: I'm of the opinion that the creator and God are not one and the same. They are two different entities which can however be seen as one.

Some people e.g christians choose to see them as one.

The fact is that religion is delusion . All human gods are imaginary. By believing in an imaginary god, believers commit themselves to a lifetime of delusion, instead of committing their lives to reality.

RikoduoSennin: It is a very good question. It is good to ask questions, so that your faith will be strengthened. You are not doing anything wrong! Ask questions with open mind, seek answers from others, reason on it and convince yourself.

On to the matter- "Who created God?". It depends on the God. If you are referring to God Almighty- Jehovah, well, he has NO creator. It is difficult to grasp at first because every other thing has a creator and we have a different concept of time from God (i.e since animals born, live and die over time, it because difficult to imagine a being that has always been in existence).

But look at it this way, Before everything we see today exist (the beginning) Jehovah has been existing. He is Eternal that is he has been living from time immemorial.

Think, will he call himself the "Almighty God" if he has a creator or will he still retain that title if he was created. So Jehovah being the Almighty God is proof their is none before him otherwise, he will lose his right to be called Almighty God.

Some Scientist believe in the big bang as the source or cause of the universe, even though there is no evidence of what existed before the big bang or what caused it, why then is it hard to believe Jehovah God has always been existing when scientific evidence points to "energy" as neither CREATED NOR DESTROY. Jehovah is vigorous with Dynamic energy.

Many Christians look at our universe, and especially life on planet Earth, and come to the conclusion that what we see is "irreducible complexity." In the Christian view, the complexity of our universe and life on earth requires an intelligent creator to bring everything into existence.

Christians believe that a creator is essential. Scientists believe that the idea of a "creator" is pure mythology, and that the complexity arose through natural processes like evolution. Who is right?

You can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic. Here are the two options:

- The complexity of life and the universe did arise completely spontaneously and without any intelligence. Nature created all the complexity we see today.
- An intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it.

The advantage of the first option is that it is self-contained. The complexity arose spontaneously. No other explanation is required.

The problem with the second option is that it immediately creates an impossibility. If complexity cannot arise without intelligence, then we immediately must ask, "Who created the intelligent creator?" The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence. Therefore, God is impossible.

In other words, by applying logic, we can prove that God is imaginary.

kolawaxxy: Bro, don't waste your time seeking answer to that question just like I did.

Let's assume we finally found out that it was a flying spaghetti monster that created god, another question will arise to also know who or what created the flying spaghetti monster.

We would keep going on and on if we are to ascertain the originator or the real creator.

Since we do not know who or what created god, it's better we apply the logic behind Pascal's wager. See God as an 'end and not a means to an end'

The problem with this line of reasoning is that there are
thousands of gods that humans have imagined. A person who believes in Allah can make this statement, and so can a person who believes in God, and so can a person who believes in Vishnu. This multitude of fictional beings shows the silliness of the argument. There is no way to know which god to choose, because there is no evidence whatsoever indicating that any of them exist.

"God" is imaginary. He's purely the creation of man.

We know, for example, that the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid - still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. There is no evidence of their existence. Thus we do not build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.

More recently we know that tens of millions of Romans worshiped Jupiter and his friends, and to them they built magnificent temples. The ruins of these temples are popular tourist attractions even today. Yet we know with complete certainty that these gods were imaginary. There is no evidence for their existence and thus no one worships Zeus any more.

Much more recently, we know that the Aztec civilization believed in their gods so intensely that they constructed huge temples and pyramids. In addition, Aztecs were so zealous that they were sacrificing hundreds of human beings to their gods as recently as the 16th century. Despite the intensity, however, we know today that these gods were completely imaginary. The Aztecs were insane insane to be murdering people for their gods. Killing a person has no effect on rainfall or anything else. We all know that. And there is no evidence whatsoever demonstrating that the Aztec gods exist. If the Aztec gods were real, we would still be offering sacrifices to them and these sacrifices would be effective.

Today's "God" is just as imaginary as were these historical gods. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.

The "God" and the "Jesus" that Christians worship today are actually amalgams formed out of ancient pagan gods. The idea of a virgin birth, burial in a rock tomb, resurrection after 3 days and eating of body and drinking of blood had nothing to do with Jesus. All of the rituals in Christianity are completely man-made. Christianity is a snow ball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. As the snowball grew, it freely attached pagan rituals and beliefs in order to be more palatable to converts.

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Hercules, the world biggest feline, her tiny cub and Trainer. She's a Liger: product of a cross between a male Lion and female Tiger.

Talius: forgive my mistake. I must be confusing it with an unnamed series, can't seem to remember the name of it

No worries.

kingk: that mean, prophecies are calculated predictions

Prophecies can't possibly be "calculated predictions" for 2 reasons:
-Prophecies are borne out of faith
-Faith is the complete trust or confidence in someone or
something that can't be scientifically proven.

kingk: Yes, God knows all, he's the creator, the programmer.......he knew the heart of men that's why he said in Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
.............imagine it to a person God that builds a robot Humans to perform in a particular way, now he also builds in a default button for a reset mode master plan cos he knows that some day, it'll do otherwise based on some effect on virus sin though created by him but was used by someone else devil who don't like the work robot he built.

finally if anything goes wrong with the robot, man he'll definitely put it on reset mode Jesus Christ.....peace.

Quoting that book of lies at me instead of tackling my arguments in a logical manner only succeeded in showing me the level of ignominious delusions you must be swimming in. Relax, sit back while I appraise you with another cold hard logic.

When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic." For example:

-The Mormon religion contains the magical golden plates, the magical angel, the magical seer stones, the magical ascension of the plates into heaven, etc.
-The Muslim faith contains the magical angel, the magical flying horse, the magical voices, the magical prophet, etc.
-The Christian faith contains the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.

The presence of "magic" is a clear marker for "imaginary." For example, how do we know that Santa is imaginary? Because (among other things) he has eight magical flying reindeer. How do we know that Jack and the Beanstalk is a fairy tale? Because (among other things) the story contains magical seeds. In the same way, how do we know that God is make believe? Because God is surrounded by magic.

According to you and all believers, God is an all-powerful being who has the divine, magical power to do anything. How do we know that this belief is a fairy tale? One way to know is to try to invoke God's magical power. For example, the Bible tells us in many places
that God answers prayers. However, whenever we try to pray, we notice that nothing happens. That tells us that God is completely imaginary. The magical powers ascribed to him are a fairy tale.

Another way to know is to read the stories of magical events in the Bible. There is the magical flood, yet we know with certainty that the flood never happened. There are the magical miracles of Jesus, but (predictably) none of these miracles left behind any tangible evidence.

God is identical to Leprechauns, mermaids and Santa. God is a magical fairy tale creature. The magic surrounding God tells us that God is imaginary.

kingk: BTW...I have a question for you, do you believe in predictions such as scientific ones? meteorologist for example.

I don't believe in predictions. I believe in what can be scientifically proven. I believe in mathematical calculations and equations. And that is basically what a meteorologist does. He doesn't predict, he calculates.

kingk: ^^^ all noted....but, ilet's ponder on these bible passages
First.....john 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

that's the reason Jesus is not here with us physically, cos the comforter is with us,not that he don't hear us,

But christ said something in the book of John 14: 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

So it's not a fairy tale as you claim it to be rather, jesus christ is real and to all who believe and are alive when he will return ....yes he shall surely return. Cos in Mathew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So chill, cos everything is true about christ.

While we are on the topic of the resurrection, have you ever thought about how odd the whole crucifixion story is? Imagine the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven. He looks down onto earth and says to himself:

"Those evil humans down on earth. I hate what they are doing. All this sin... Since I am all-knowing I know exactly what the humans are doing and I understand exactly why they commit each sin. Since I created the humans in my own image and personally programmed human nature into their brains, I am the direct author of all of this sin. The instant I created them I knew exactly what would happen with every single human being right down to the nanosecond level for all eternity. If I didn't like how it was going to turn out, I could have simply changed them when I created them. And since I am perfect, I know exactly what I am doing. But ignore all that. I hate all these people doing exactly what I perfectly designed them to do and knew they would do from the moment I created them...

So here's what I am going to do. I will artificially inseminate a virgin. She will give birth to an incarnated version of me. The humans will eventually crucify and kill the incarnated me. That will, finally, make me happy. Yes, sending myself down and having the humans crucify me, that will satisfy me. I feel much better now."

It makes no sense, does it? Why would an all-knowing being need to have humans kill himself (Jesus is God, after all) to make himself happy? Especially since it is a perfect God who set the whole thing in motion exactly the way he wanted it? The story of the crucifixion is absurd from top to bottom if you actually stop to think about it. By combining the crucifixion story with the resurrection story, you can see the truth: "God" is a mythological creature just like every other human god. The entire religious domain is make believe.

Many believers try to rationalize God's existence by saying something like this: "The existence of the universe proves God's existence. Something had to create the universe. Science has no explanation for the universe's creation. Therefore, God created it."

The way to understand that this is a rationalization is to look back in history. Ancient people, before they had science, explained many things that they did not understand with "gods." There have been sun gods, thunder gods, fertility gods, rain gods, etc.

The Bible works the same way. It tries to explain many
things that its ancient authors did not understand by
attributing them in God. For example, if you read Genesis 9:12-13 you will find this:

And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I
make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me
and the earth..."

This is the Bible's explanation of rainbows. Of course we
now know that rainbows are a prismatic effect of raindrops. In the same way, Genesis chapter 3 tries to explain why human childbirth is so painful and Genesis chapter 11 tries to explain why there are so many human languages. These are myths, nothing more.


The fact is, God had nothing to do with the creation of the universe, in the same way that God has nothing to do with the sun rising or rainbows appearing. Science does not have a complete explanation for the universe's creation, yet. While it is true that science does not yet know everything there is to know about the universe, scientists will eventually figure it out. When they do, what they will find is that nature created the universe, not an imaginary being. Don't get it twisted.

kingk: I've been following this thread but this your statement caught me and that's the reason I have to comment. @ the bold ^^^^. That's where you got it all wrong..reasons, please can you run an experiment to determine what happened and how the weather is the day you were born? .........if you can't, then GOD source can't be proven too cos he supersede us all.

Yes, it can be done with a method called "Parallax." The process is complicated and I won't bore you with the details, but ponder on this: If science can accurately predict the path and strength of erratic forces of natures like hurricanes and tornadoes, accurately carbon date a fossil and can calculate the exact distance of earth to the nearest star, what made you think it can't figure out something as mundane as thus?

"God source can't be proven cos he supersede us all" you say?

First of all let's tackle Jesus' resurrection.

There is only one way for Jesus to prove that he rose from the dead. He had to appear to people. Therefore, several different places in the Bible describe Jesus' appearances after his death:

-Matthew chapter 28
-Mark chapter 16
-Luke chapter 24
-John Chapter 20 and 21

(As you can see in this passage, Jesus appeared to hundreds of people a number of different times).

When we look at these Bible passages, there is a question that comes to mind: Why did Jesus stop making these appearances? Why isn't Jesus appearing today?

It really is odd. Obviously Paul benefitted from a personal meeting with the resurrected Christ. Because of the personal visit, Paul could see for himself the truth of the resurrection, and he could ask Jesus questions.

So... Why doesn't Jesus appear to everyone and prove that he is resurrected, just like he appeared to Paul. There is nothing to stop Jesus from materializing in your kitchen tonight to have a personal chat with you. And if you think about it, Jesus really does need to appear to each of us. If Paul needed a personal visit from Jesus to know that Jesus was resurrected, then why wouldn't you? It is an important question for the following reasons:

-We are told by the Bible that Jesus appeared to hundreds of people.
-We therefore know that it is OK for Jesus to appear to people - it does not take away their free will, for example.
-We know that it would be easy for Jesus to appear to everyone all through history, since Jesus is all-powerful and timeless.
-We know that, if Jesus did reappear to everyone, it would be incredibly helpful. We could all know, personally, that Jesus is resurrected and that Jesus is God. If Paul (and all the other people in the Bible) needed a personal visit to know that Jesus was resurrected, then why not you and me?
-Yet, we all know that Jesus has not appeared to anyone in 2,000 years.

In other words, there is nothing stopping Jesus from appearing to you, and several good reasons for him to
appear.

Many believers will try to rationalize Jesus' absence by pointing to his famous statement in the Bible, "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe."

If you think about this statement, what you realize is that it creates the perfect cover for a scam. Let's say you are Jesus, you are a normal human being, you realize that you are going to die and you want to cover for this fact. Here is what you would say: "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe." What you are saying is, "I exist, and the way I am going to show you that I exist is by not showing that I exist." For every other object in the universe, the way that we know it exists is because the object provides evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence for an object's existence, we call it imaginary (e.g. gerflagenflopple). But with Jesus, the lack of evidence is turned into evidence. Quite clever, but obviously a scam.

You simply need to look at the evidence and accept what it is telling you. If the resurrection were true, then Jesus would be answering prayers as he promises in the Bible. He would also appear when people pray to see him. The fact is, there is definitive evidence that prayer accomplishes nothing. It is also obvious that Jesus is not appearing on earth today. In other words, he's imaginary.

Talius: hmm, nice but one tree hill is pure comedy. I'd be laughing to much to even get close to the characters

^^Hmmmm...

...One Tree Hill is not a comedy, sir. In fact, it's extremely unfunny. It's basically a show based on the relationship between two half-brothers, Lucas and Nathan Scott, who start out as enemies but bond as the show progresses.

A decent show... until Lucas and Peyton left the series, then it became crappola redefined. I lost interest then. The onscreen chemistry between those 2 is what gave the show it's magic. Not renewing their contract and allowing them to go was a foolish move by the show's producers and as a result, the show suffered as the weekly ratings tanked.

QAPHAYNE: 5, POPE Honorius I- reigned 625-638 :

Honorius I was condemned and
excommunicated for heresy by the sixth general council
in 680. The heresy in question was Montheism in which
Jesus is seen as a divine-human, rather than the
orthodox belief of physeis that he is both fully God and
fully man.Patriarch Sergius of Constantinople wrote to
Honorius asking him to decide the question that was
causing much division at the time. Instead of clarifying
the view of the Church, Honorius did nothing.His lack of
action was so scandalous that for 3 centuries, each new
Pope had to state at his coronation that he:

“mites with eternal anathema the originators of the
new heresy, Sergius, etc., together with Honorius,
because he assisted the base assertion of the heretics.”

Proof that this is a badly edited copy and paste job using Opera mini browser. Notice the irregularities? Yup.

Afam4eva: Please, has anyone watched "Breaking Bad"? is it interesting? I'm currently almost through with episode 1 and i'm yet to find it interesting. Should i continue?

For the fact you don't like the pilot - which BTW is awesome - affirms that you won't like the remaining episodes. Breaking Bad is the sort of show you either take to instantly or you don't. It's that simple.

Suits season 4.

QAPHAYNE: If I was copying and pasting, why am I still on number 5? You don't just believe in research.

Dude, it's obvious to anyone with a functioning medulla oblongata that you're engaging in what we popularly know as plagiarism. Don't lie, okay? I wasn't born yesterday. For the fact that you're slow doesn't necessarily prove that you're the the OP, rather it implied you're a lousy thief, albeit a very sloppy one.

Lots of niggahs jonsing for frontpage nowadays.

-Raid google for a topic with lots of pictures.
-Create a topic.
-Proceed to the next chapter: Copy and pasting redefined.
-Then cross your fingers and hope for the best.

With every other object and phenomenon in our experience, we use the scientific method to determine whether it exists or not. For example, X rays are invisible, but we know that they exist. We can devise scientific experiments to prove that they exist. Then, once proven to exist, X-rays can be used predictably in all sorts of beneficial ways.

If you would like to hypothesize that God exists, then you should say to yourself, "Let's devise a repeatable scientific experiment to provide evidence that God exists." Every experiment we devise demonstrates, yet again, that God is imaginary.

Isn't it odd that God, unlike everything else in our universe, has been put into a special category? When we talk about God, we are supposed to do so "philosophically."

Why?

Why not treat God just like all other objects and devise experiments to detect his presence or absence? The classic religious response is, "God must remain hidden. If he proved his existence, that would take away faith." This is clever. Here we have an object named God that proves its existence by completely hiding its existence. Of course, in the real world, any object that provides no evidence for its existence is classified as imaginary.

Even more interesting, this object called God, which is supposedly hiding its existence completely, is in the meantime supposedly writing books, answering prayers and incarnating itself. How can that be? This obvious contradiction shows how imaginary God is.

-When we look at prayer scientifically, we find that "answered prayers" are actually nothing but coincidences.
-When we look at the Bible scientifically, ethically or rationally, we find that the Bible is wrong.
-When we look at all of Jesus' miracles scientifically, we find that none of them left behind any scientific or historical evidence. Nor, for that matter, did Jesus, nor did Jesus' resurrection.

The reason why we can find no empirical evidence for God's existence is not because "God is a magical being completely able to hide from us." It is because God is imaginary.

Many believers will say, "It is impossible for you to prove that God (Allah, Ra, Vishnu, whatever) does not exist. There is no way to prove that something does not exist." This is a silly argument for the following reason:

Imagine that we have a conversation one day and I say to you, "I believe in the gerflagenflopple. You cannot prove that the gerflagenflopple does not exist, therefore it exists." You can see that this is ridiculous. Just because I have invented something out of thin air does not mean that its non-existence is suddenly unprovable. There has to be some evidence that the gerflagenflopple exists in order to assert its existence. Since there is not, it is quite easy to say that the gerflagenflopple is imaginary.

If you think about it, you will realize that there is no difference between God and gerflagenflopple. Lots of people talk about God as though he exists, but there is no actual evidence for God's existence.

First and foremost I would like to point out that the Big Bang theory isn't atheistic at all, rather, it's purely scientific in nature. Besides, I know certain Christians who believe in the Big Bang, that it was triggered by God.

Anyhoo, sure, scientific knowledge's provisional, and we may never have enough data to answer some questions to a given resolution, like the complete evolutionary lineage of a given organism. But if science can't do it, I don't think anyone else can.

The idea that someone can sit back, meditate on "nothing", and determine how the universe came to be seems ridiculous. They can imagine things, sure, but
whatever they imagine has no bearing on what actually is. And sure, anyone can come up with hypotheses, but I think the people most qualified/likely to come up with the best hypotheses, and establish the veracity of them, are scientists.

A typical chick flick kinda TV show. Tried watching it but couldn't stand it for 5 minutes. It's like watching one of those boring Mexican soap operas but without the English dubbing. But, really not much of a surprise since the soap comes from one of the most crappy cable channels in North America: Lifetime

Kaycee7: Marvel vs DC. I was Marvel, U were DC. Ring any bells?

Yeah, I remember kicking your árse. Glad I left an impression.

Blue is the colour, Football is the game.

I bleed blue. :

#KKTBFFH

Briareos: In your own opinion, sir. Your own opinion and your own personal preferences.

In my own opinion. My own opinion and my own personal preferences. Happy?

sholay2011: That's interesting.

And since you mentioned 'zulu stuff'...I assume you're South African (by birth)?

Good for you.

Gee, Thanks.

sholay2011: Say.

When I said 'official', my intention was to commend your organised writeup...not accuse you of plagiarism or wateva.

Btw, aren't you a Nigerian?

Oops! I misunderstood. My bad.

KwaZulu by birth and origin. Grew up in Nigeria though, so I know a lot about your country.

Kaycee7: Finally we agree on something

Wasn't aware we disagreed on something before...

Briareos: But the least charming. Sean Connery's can charm the pants off a girl.

Charisma comes with charm, so he can be quite the charmer too.

Sean Connery's my least favorite James bond. His acting comes off as too old fashioned, no offense. Watching him as an 007 character is like watching one of Charlie Chaplin's silent movies, except this one would not stop talking.

Daniel Craig is the perfect James Bond of the modern era, the 21st century 007 if you will. He's charismatic and yet aloof, courteous to women without appearing chauvinistic (unlike Sean Connery and Brosnan), good looking without appearing too pretty (unlike Moore and Dalton), and talks with an actual British accent (unlike the fake one used by Brosnan or the weird sounding one used by Connery).

Again I reiterate, Daniel Craig is the perfect James Bond of the Modern era. I'm pretty sure dear old Ian would have approved.

Daniel Craig. Guy got swag. Of all the past Bond actors, he's the most charismatic.

sholay2011: RayMcBlue sha...chai

See as him list look 'official'.

'Official? '

Nah, that's purely my creation and MINE alone. No copy copy like you Nigerians would said. Nice try...

50 shades of grey forever.

The producers better serve it up HARDCORE, cuz that's the only way it'll be worth watching. I want to see everything, as in... E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

Talius: the rating is very impressive

Yeah...