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kayusbrown: The Bible is not the word of God(when I say GOD, I mean the CREATOR and not the god in the Bible, Quran e.t.c) so it is not perfect. It contains some amount of truths about the same as the amount of lies or contradictions/inconsistencies with the creation and its laws. The Bible interestingly also contradicts itself (just google Bible contradictions). The Bible was authored by dishonest Philosophers who termed their imaginations, revealation. The only word of God is the creation: the physical universe, biological life and the spiritual! The creation does not lie or contradicts itself, its laws are universal and eternal. The Creator is impartial. He will never reveal His word to few people or in a language understood only by few and in texts when many are illiterates (and before printing was even invented to facilitate circulation). Above all, the Creator is perfect so an imperfect Bible can not be HIS WORD!if there is one thing I agree with, it is the fact that the bible contains a lot of inconsistencies especially when one considers the so called gospels of Paul it is so obvious that the man had motives very different from those of Jesus's disciples, the people who realy knew Jesus and saw him in flesh. Paul's philosophy of faith based salvation even without works was so alien and contradictory to what the Jerusalem church headed by Jesus's brother taught. To me Paul seemed more like a usurper, the Jesus he so vehemently preached about was very different from the Jesus that was crucified. He came up with whole concept of new testament being the basis of christian living cos he basically wrote most of the books in the new testament. He came up with the pagan idea of Jesus's death and ressurection being God's plan for the remmosion of the sins of mankind. Like I said, there's a lot in the bible that just do not seem clear and just vague. |
Olajide I don't see the point you are making as it is obvious you are talking from the stand point of bad belle. You contradict yourself and show bias if you are so willing to believe the Data from the CBN under Sanusi as authentic while you dismiss Soludo's as fake and whatever gutter language you want to use. It is ok if you don't like the man but if you can't detach your emotional disgust towards the man and discuss the main issue then I see no reason debating with you as it is clear you are here to attack personality rather than analyse facts. Unless you started observing Nigeria's economy and financial sector when your "superstar Sanusi" came on board with his rant about sanitization, it will be very dishonest for anyone to claim that the Nigerian economy was not active during Soludo's era. Infact if there was any time the manufacturing sector started witnessing big projects and investments from local investors from the likes of Dangote and other foreign investors, it was soludo's era. Entrepreneurs were able to get credit lines from a consortium of nigerian banks to fund big ticket projects that stimulated every aspect of the economy, from manucturing, hospitality, technology to the banking sector. Employment was created and we had more FDI coming in, small businesses were not left out as the new recaptilized micro financed banks gave out interest free loans, it was even obious from Nigeria's GDP at the time. I don't know what you mean by real money but these projects and expansions of course were funded with money not paper. This stimulation of the economy was represented in facts and figure that I presented to you. Inflateion rate went down, our currency was very much stabilized against the dollar and other major currency It is very obvious that you are reading supposed facts and figures from your head you want to see be the case. Most of what you have written are conspiracy theories and some are utterly dumb for one to even consider answering them as they have no factual basis. May be what you expected Soludo's CBN to do was to get involved with very stoopid activities like Sanusi is doing, activities that has nothing to do with the CBN. Under Sanusi the CBN has lost focus and is just groping in the dark. No matter how you want to look at it, Sanusi's policies have been very retrogressive and has not improved our lots. Our Naira has depreciated even more, he has unwittingly brought back the bureau de change to appease a sectional interest, I ask again,"of what economic importance is the Bureau de change?" The CBN is supposed to give advise to the government and help her exercise some restraint on what it spends money on, today, look at our foreign reserve, it has been depleted. To even show that Sanusi is confused, one has to wake up everyday to read on paper that the CBN wants to over the commodities exchange, the CBN wants to go into real estate investments and numerous frivolous stuff like that that shows the CBN is confused on what its jobs are. Seriously Mr, you need to raise the bar of your argument beyond your emotional feelings and hearsay and just address the facts. I refuse to stoop to the level of hitting below the belt just to score some points. Besides, I find the structure of your write up clumsy and hard to read, you may want to state you points clearly. |
I will also try to be very coherent as possible in responding to some of the issues you raised albeit most of it is steeped with hearsay and emotional tantrums, but like you cautioned, they are your opinions and do not neccessarily represent facts. Now, coming to address the nitty-gritty of your argument, it should be noted that prior to Soludo's era, the Nigeria financial sector was nothing to write about. It was just a cacophony of banks that could not do real bank business that stimulated the economy, they were just mere deposit houses with no serious financial power to stimulate serious economic activities. These banks were more or less useless both to their commercial purpose and to the economy. You couldn't borrow money from them to fund a medium sized project let alone a big one. Politicians were setting up banks at will as conduit pipe to siphone public without any serious capital base to protect depositors-savana comes to mind- neither were they competetive, the whole financial sector was a shambolic set up. Soludo came, understanding that our financial system needed an overhaul; the number of banks had to be pruned to manageable size with stronger financial base and better coperate structure to be taken seriously. Hence, the introduction of the consolidation exercise in 2004 which required banks to recapitalize their financial base from 2billion to 25billion naira. Despite growing fear and concern, the exercise was successfully concluded by December 31, 2005. By the time it was over, the number of banks in Nigeria had dropped from 89 in 2004 to 25 in 2006. As a result of the recapitalisation, five Nigerian banks were then among the first 500 in the world. They were First Bank of Nigeria PLC, Intercontinental Bank PLC, Zenith Bank PLC, Union Bank PLC and United Bank for Africa PLC. Under his leadership the CBN pursued vigorously the acquisition of the ailing Nigeria Security Printing and Minting Company, NSPMC, by the CBN in 2004 and transformed the institution into a profitable venture in 2007 and saved the country the disgrace of depending on importation to meet its currency needs. Just like he did with the commercial banks to make them strong and effective, in 2006, he launched another recapitilization of the micro finance banks to replace the community banking system and fixed the capital base to operate MFB at N20 million. With that, was the birth of over 900 micro finance banks that provided credit facilities to the poor without collateral. The CBN also backed up the micro finance institutions with the establishment of entrepreneurial development centres to teach the poor how to manage finance profitably. Coming to the impact of his policies which actually showed his understanding of Nigeria's financial sector, macroeconomic trends and the economy as whole: please allow me to quote from a Nigerian online financial report. THE IMPACT OF SOLUDO'S CBN POLICIES ON THE NIGERIAN ECONOMY When Soludo assumed the leadership of Nigeria’s apex bank in 2004, inflation rate was 10 percent. It went up to 11 percent in 2005 before declining to 8.5 percent and 6.4 percent in 2006 and 2007, respectively. The CBN sustained the single-digit inflation rate till the middle of 2008 when global food shortage and financial crisis drove it up to 15 percent. According to the CBN, the average inflation rate in 2008 was 11.6 percent. Likewise, the average lending rate went down from 20.42 to 18.22 percent between 2004 and 2008. The exchange rate of the Naira to the United States’ Dollar also came down from N132.75 to N116.85 between June 2004 and June 2008. The Bureau De Change, BDC, rate within these periods decreased from N140 in June 2004 to N119 in June 2008. Currently, the value of the Naira to the Dollar has depreciated by 24 percent at the official market as it exchanges at N145 to the Dollar. The parallel market rate is as high as N180. The performance of Nigeria’s gross domestic product, GDP, achieved a steady growth between 2004 and 2008. The estimate as at then from the National Bureau of Statistics indicates that Nigeria’s GDP grew by 0.8 in 2008 compared to 6.2 percent in 2007. The rise in foreign reserve from $ 11.44 billion in June 2004 to $60.89 billion in August 2008 attests to the positive impact of Soludo’s first five years on the economy. The consolidation exercise also had a significant impact on the banking sector. It increased the total capitalisation of the banking sector from N315 billion in 2004 to N2.788 trillion in December 2008. Bank’s credit to borrowers grew from N1.133 trillion in 2004 to N7.8 trillion in 2008. The number of bank branches also rose from 3,247 in 2004 to 5,247 in 2008. In the same way, the number of the foreign branches of Nigerian banks increased from seven in 2004 to 69 in 2008. The enhanced banking supervision and enforcement of corporate governance by the CBN under Soludo reduced the percentage of non- performing loans in the banking sector from 21.6 in 2004 to 6.226 in 2008. The exercise also increased the access of Nigerian banks to international credit line. Unless you have a personal scores to settle with Soludo, I see no reason why anyone will criticize his consolidation exercize like you are trying to do. It is now easy for Nigerians like yourself to take the achievements of the consolidation exercise for granted because it had come and gone, have you considered what would have been the fate of the Nigerian banking sector and the entire economy if Soludo had not exercised the foresight to implement the policy some years before the global financial whirlwind started blowing. Of course, If it were to be those days that we had relatively small capitalised banks, not even the First Bank of 2004 could have withstood this crisis. You can fault Soludo for not being pre-emptive in the regulation of the banks especially after a lot of them had a change of financial status from small banks to realy big banks. He probably should have been more strict with the changes that came in the banks. He was lax no doubt and allowed many underdealings. However, we can't ignore the fact that vindictive politics too played its on role in the latter part of his reign and made him lose focus and effective edge. For example, it was obvious that he did not enjoy the support of late Pres.Yaradua and He kept reversing some of his policies and dancing to the demands of northan oligarch that felt shortchanged by his policies. To deny Soludo of his contributions and highlight most of the times only his mistakes while singing Sanusi's praise is very dishonest. We all know that Sanusi was not the best man for the Job but Nepotism made sure he got the Job anyway. As if that was not enough, Sanusi went in and threw away the baby with the bath water. His handling of his so-called sanitization program was shambolic and gangstar in application. Today our banks have once again become mere deposit houses and gradually there is a monopoly going on. The forced mergers and aquisitions are time bombs waiting to explode most of them are still subjects of serious litigations on various court. As it is now, non of the banks is lending to the economy. The impact of his policies are mostly negetive and thesame old story before the Soludo Era. |
[quote author=Mr_Anony]I have had a look at your post but I must confess I haven't taken the time to read through it yet. You will eventually hear my thoughts (maybe not as soon as you might expect) but first what I am more interested in is whether you will be willing to discuss with an open mind and accept the possibility that you just might be mistaken and also that I do not have all the answers answers as well. If you agree to these terms then we can have dialogue otherwise our discourse will be futile as each of will stubbornly hold onto our ego and not make any progress. Do you agree?[/quote]of course na..... The both of us will ve to show openness |
Dude is fine....think he is a mulatto |
Is Tithing Biblical? Is tithing Biblical? Sure, if you happen to be a non-Christian Jew who is still erroneously living under Old Testament law**. But tithing is not Biblical for Christians. As shocking as this may sound, tithing is a literal fraud (mostly unintentional) that has been perpetrated for many years upon most of Christianity in general. Christians have been literally robbed by people that are so deceived in this area that they think it is God’s will and mandate for them to do so. Very few modern tithe teachers realize that they have no rights whatsoever to exact a tithe from Christians. And very few are open to a warning on the subject. Many have become so entangled in “needing” this money, among other things, to pay massive building debts (debts they had no Biblical right to incur in the first place). Tithing is strictly for the non-Christian Jew and many Jewish scholars will gladly tell you this. Jewish people who have become Christians (JudeoChristians or Messianic Jews) are actually free fromthe tithe and from all Old Testament ceremonial law although some of them may not realize this. While the moral law and much of the civil law remains (such as in ethical standards), Christians are not under the ceremonial law of the Old Testament. According to Galatians 3, those who tryand keep any part of the ceremonial law must keep the whole law. It is a vain and futile thing to attempt. In brief, tithing is never once taught in the New Testament, which is the blueprint for the Church and for Christian living. Some argue that Jesus upheld tithing in the New Testament. But what they fail to recognize is when Jesus told various men in the New Testament that they should not neglect the tithe is because those men were Jews, not Christians and Jesus had not yet died and rose from the dead redeeming us in general from ceremonial Jewish law. Malachi 3:8-12 is widely used as a hammer by church authoritarians who are determined to fundtheir grand ambitions, but these Old Testament verses were written specifically to Israel not to Christians. 8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! Butyou say, 'How have we robbed You?' In ( tithes and offerings. 9 "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you! 10 "Bringthe whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this,"says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows. 11 "Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes," says the LORD of hosts. 12 "All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:8-12 NASB There are very few Christens who are unfamiliar with the ungodly misapplied pounding of the above verses into their heads. Many unbelievers are also quite familiar with these verses from Malachi as well, often more familiar than any other verses in the Bible. That should tell you something! The tithing error is big business. This is what funds lunatic false teachers in the pulpit. We as Christians are commanded to not give undercompulsion but rather as cheerful givers. But here’s the thing: It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to keep the Bible’s command to not give under compulsion while believing that we owe a compulsory tax of 10% of our income to some charlatan to spend any way that he wants. Tithing is a system of policed and enforced “giving”, which is not voluntary giving at all but an involuntarily taxation. This is not remotely close to cheerful givers commanded to not give “under compulsion” as the Bible clearly teaches in 2Cor 9:7. “Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver .” 2Cor 9:7 NASB But how can one do as he has purposed in his ownheart if he or she is at the same time forced to tithe? Well, some tithing advocates who pound Malachi 3 claim that the voluntary aspect of 2Cor9:7 pertains only to additional offerings or choosing where to tithe. But if the “where” was optional, then why does Malachi 3 set the storehouse as the exact “where” or place where the tithe must be given? The where is not optional. The problem is Malachi 3 does not apply in any way to Christians but rather only to Israel. Many of these tithe teachers mix Old and New Testament Scriptures together in a random haphazard way in order to try and get the Bible to say whatever they want it to say. This erroneous approach to Bible interpretation is often quite evident in many of their other teachings as well. Briefly, you should NOT tithe. But, this is one of thehardest false teachings and false “church” habits to break. The reason is because we have been so utterly pounded with endless fear tactics and other mental gymnastics in order to keep us tithing. We think we’ll lose our job or our car will break down or some other fear based lunacy that these guys teach. It’s all unbiblical nonsense. Who is the direct beneficiary of the tithe teaching? You guessed it. The tithe teacher! A few quick bullet points (but there is much more to be said on this subject): *. Tithes were never collected in cash (livestock and crops only). *. Tithes were collected only by Levitical priests. *. A Levitical priest must be Jewish. *. A Levitical priest must own no personal property. (Have you seen any pastors lately who own no personal property?) *. There are presently no more of these priests in existence today so we know we have lots of counterfeit Levitical priests running around. *. Tithes were often mandated by God for other uses such as giving to the poor. Tithes were sometimes to be used for the personal needs of the person who tithed. (When have you ever seen a pastor give the tithe back to the giver?) The same men who teach the tithe gladly eat pork (which is OK for any Christian to do). But anyone who keeps any Old Testament ceremonial law (such as tithing) must keep all the Old Testament ceremonial laws (including the law that states that eating pork is forbidden). We also do not see these tithe teachers slaughtering bulls and goats as sacrifices to God (not that any Christian should).The point is, these men pick and choose to pull forward from the Old Testament law whatever they want and they have chosen to keep the tithe and throw out what is inconvenient (such as the prohibition on owning personal property, the prohibition on eating pork, animal sacrifices, etc.) in a nutshell whatever they don’t like and whatever does not suit them. This is only a brief introduction to the tithing error. Again, much more could be said on this subject. |
The Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity by Lewis Loflin Jesus was not the founder of Christianity as we know it today. Most of the New Testament doesn't even concern the historical Jesus while the main influence is the Apostle Paul and through the church he founded at Ephesus a Greek convert named John. Paul never met Jesus in the flesh, he only claimed some spiritual visions and proceeded to Hellenize the teachings of Jesus (who preached a generic form of Judaism), until he created Pauline Christianity. Because there are no known writings from Jesus or His actual Apostles, most of what He really taught is remains controversial. Also see the disputed Gnostic Gospels . But according to Paul, Jesus' teachings are not relevant to salvation. While Jesus is regarded by Christians as the founder of thefaith, Paul's role in defining Christianity can't be ignored and trumps Jesus on theology. "Paul is regarded as the great interpreter of Jesus' mission, who explained, in a way that Jesus himself never did, how Jesus' life and death fitted into a cosmic scheme of salvation, stretching fromthe creation of Adam to the end of time." The doctrines of Christianity come mostly from the teaching or influence of Paul, a Pharisee(?) who rejected his Pharisaic Judaism. His worship was that of a "Christ" totally unrelated to the Jewish Messiah, a nationalist (and human) figure that was supposed to free the nation from foreign (Roman) rule. Paul would later be placed over his Jewish-Christian rivals by a Gnostic heretic named Marcion. See Marcion . The Church in its struggles with both Marcion and the Gnostics was forced to define itself and launch an internal war to silence opponents. What is shown below is taken word for word from The Sierra Reference Encyclopedia . Copyright 1996 P. F. Collier, L. P. All rights reserved. PAUL, ST. PAUL, ST. (died c. A.D. 68), founder of PaulineChristianity. His name was originally Saul. Helater claimed that he was a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, from a long-established Pharisee family in Tarsus. According to Acts (though not according to Paul himself) he studied in Jerusalem under Gamaliel, the leader of the Pharisees and grandson of Hillel. This account of Paul's youth, however, is subject to doubt, since the tribe of Benjamin had long ceased to exist, and Pharisee families are otherwise unknown inTarsus. According to Paul's opponents, the Ebionites, he came from a family of recent converts to Judaism. He learnt the trade of tent-making (or perhaps leather-working), by which he made his living. While still a youth in Jerusalem, Saul became part of the opposition to the newly formed Jerusalem Church (the disciples of Jesus, who, believing that Jesus had been resurrected, continued to hope for his return to complete his messianic mission). Saul was present at the death of Stephen. Soon after, Saul was an active persecutor of the Jerusalem Church, entering its synagogues and arresting its members. Acts represents this as due to Saul's zeal as a Pharisee, but this is doubtful, as the Pharisees, under Gamaliel, were friendly to the Jerusalem Church (see Acts 5). Moreover, Saul was acting in concert with the high priest (Acts 9:2), who was a Sadducee opponent of the Pharisees. It seems likely that Saul was at this period an employee of the Roman-appointed high priest, playing a police role in suppressing movements regarded as a threat to the Roman occupation. Since Jesus had been crucified on a charge of sedition, his followers were under the same cloud. The high priest then entrusted Saul with an important mission, which was to travel to Damascus to arrest prominent members of the Jerusalem Church. This must have been a clandestine kidnapping operation, since Damascus was not under Roman rule at thetime but was in fact a place of refuge for the persecuted Nazarenes. On the way to Damascus, Paul experienced avision of Jesus that converted him from persecutor to believer. Paul joined the Christians of Damascus, but soon he had to flee Damascus to escape the officers of KingAretas (II Corinthians 11:32-33), though a later, less authentic, account in Acts 9:22-25 changes his persecutors to "the Jews." After his vision, according to Paul's own account (Galatians 1:17), he went into the desert of Arabia for a period, seeking no instruction. According to Acts, however, he sought instruction first from Ananias of Damascus and then from the apostles in Jerusalem. These contradictory accounts reflect a change in Paul's status: in his own view, he had received a revelation that put him far higher than the apostles, while in later Church opinion he had experienced a conversion that was only the beginning of his development as a Christian. Paul's self-assessment is closer to the historical truth, which is that he was the founder of Christianity. Neither Jesus himself nor his disciples had any intention of founding a new religion. The need for a semblance of continuity between Christianity and Judaism, and between Gentile and Jewish Christianity, led to a playing-down of Paul's creative role. The split that took place between Paul and the Jerusalem Church is minimized in the Paulinist book of Acts, which contrasts withPaul's earlier and more authentic account inGalatians 2. Paul's originality lies in his conception of the death of Jesus as saving mankind from sin. Instead of seeing Jesus as a messiah of the Jewish type human savior from political bondage, he saw him as a salvation-deity whose atoning death by violence was necessary to release his devotees for immortal life. This view of Jesus' death seems to have come to Paul in his Damascus vision. Its roots lie not in Judaism, but in mystery-religion, with which Paul was acquainted in Tarsus. The violent deaths of Osiris, Attis, Adonis, and Dionysus brought divinization to their initiates. Paul, as founder of the new Christian mystery, initiated the Eucharist, echoing the communion meal of the mystery religions. The awkward insertion ofeucharistic material based on I Corinthians 11:23-26 into the Last Supper accounts in the Gospels cannot disguise this, especially as the evidence is that the Jerusalem Churchdid not practise the Eucharist. Paul's missionary campaign began c.44 in Antioch. He journeyed to Cyprus, where he converted Sergius Paulus, the governor of the island. It was probably at this point thathe changed his name from Saul to Paul, in honor of his distinguished convert. After journeys in Asia Minor where he made manyconverts, Paul returned to Antioch. His second missionary tour (51-53) took him as far as Corinth; and his third (54-58) led to a three-year stay in Ephesus. It was during these missionary periods that he wrote his Epistles. Paul's new religion had the advantage over other salvation-cults of being attached to the Hebrew Scriptures, which Paul now reinterpreted as forecasting the salvation-death of Jesus. This gave Pauline Christianityan awesome authority that proved attractive to Gentiles thirsting for salvation. Paul's new doctrine, however, met with disapproval from the Jewish-Christians of the Jerusalem Church, who regarded the substitution of Jesus' atoning death for the observance of the Torah as a lapse into paganism. Paul was summoned to Jerusalem by the leaders James (Jesus' brother), Peter, and John to explain his doctrine (c.50). At the ensuing conference, agreement was reached that Paul's Gentile converts did not need to observe the Torah. This was not a revolutionary decision, since Judaism had never insisted on full conversion to Judaism for Gentiles. But Paul on this occasion concealed his belief that the Torah was no longer valid for Jews either. He was thus confirmed in the role of "apostle to the Gentiles," with full permission to enroll Gentiles in the messianic movement without requiring full conversion to Judaism. It was when Peter visited him in Antioch and became aware of the full extent of Paul's views that a serious rift began between Pauline and Jewish Christianity. At a second conference in Jerusalem (c.55), Paul was accused by James of teaching Jews"to turn their backs on Moses" (Acts 21:21). Again, however, Paul evaded the charge by concealing his views, and he agreed to undergo a test of his own observance of theTorah. His deception, however, was detected by a group of "Asian Jews" (probably Jewish Christians) who were aware of his real teaching. A stormy protestensued in which Paul feared for his life and was rescued by the Roman police, to whomhe declared for his protection that he was aRoman citizen. This surprising announcement was the end of Paul's association with the Jerusalem Church, to whom the Romans were the chief enemy. The Roman commandant, Claudius Lysias, decided to bring Paul before the Sanhedrin in order to discover the cause of the disturbance. With great presence of mind, Paul appealed to the Pharisee majority to acquit him, claiming to be a Pharisee like James. Paul was rescued by the Pharisees from the high priest, like Peter before him. However, the high priest, resenting this escape, appointed a body of men to assassinate Paul. Learning of the plot, Paul again placed himself under the protection of the Romans, who transported him by armed guard from Jerusalem to Caesarea. The High Priest Ananias was implacable, no doubt because of Paul's defection from his police task in Damascus, and laid a charge of anti-Roman activity against him. Paul appealed for a trial in Rome before Caesar, his right as a Roman citizen. The assertion of Acts that the Jewish "elders" were also implicated in the charges against Paul is unhistorical, since these same elders had just acquitted him in his Sanhedrin trial. Paul was sent to Rome, and here our information ends. Legends speak of his eventual martyrdom in Rome. Paul's authentic voice is found in his Epistles. Here he appears as an eloquent writer, skilled in asserting his authority overhis converts as their inspired teacher. The view often asserted, however, that Paulwrites in the style of a rabbi is incorrect. Hisoccasional attempts to argue in rabbinical style (e.g., Romans 7:1-6) reveal his lack of knowledge of rabbinic logic. Paul's letters belong to Greek literature and have affinity to Stoic and Cynic literature. His knowledge of the Scriptures is confined to their Greek translation, the Septuagint. Paul was a religious genius, who invested Greek mystery-religion with the historical sweep and authority of the Jewish Bible. |
4bobo: @opwhat kind of stooopid and brainless way of reasoning is that. That is Murder in case you do not know. Are you saying Idahosa was a Murderer?? What kind of man kills another man because he questioned him? Are you this dumb?? |
Hhahahahhaha.....guy take am easy o...but i understand where you are coming from. |
Mr Anony I realy will love to engage you here on NL if you have got the time. I am not an atheist myself but lately I have had many reasons to doubt the authenticity of Christianity giving the very many inconsistencies that one finds in the bible and passages and the claims of the writers especially those of Paul that can't be substantiated. Christianity today is cash and carry and that to me has left me bewildered and hateful of so many nonesense that is preached in churches today. Seriously, if a lot of christians will be bold enough to read about the history of the church, a lot of us will end up having doubts about what we have hitherto known as the truth. Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread but I will need your opinion on this thread, it is very revelational and thought provoking. www.nairaland.com/933240/bomb-shell-how-paul-distorted www.nairaland.com/933277/bombshell-pt2-how-paul-distorted |
stildude: Since spiritual is an alien word to you, why should you even consider your prayers to be answered? who are you praying to?. My prayer for you is that you come to see and embrace the light or succumb to the fate of 'hollier than thou and satanic folks' like you. Some of you think this world is about the physical appearance of black and white that we see inspite of everything you have heard and read and going to be in for the worst and unimaginable surprises of their lives. And I hope very soon.Nigga shut your dirty mouth. You think you are talking to your fellow mind-programmed lambrains like yourself? What do you know about God when you can't even bring yourself to feel any compassion for the downthrodden in the society. All you care and talk about is Oyedepo, why is my opinion of Oyedepo a source of concern and worry to you than the plight of Mr Sam whom Oyedepo has caused pains to his family. In a saner society where the rule of law and common sense reign supreme over any fictitious claim of omnipotence by a man and his hypnotized congregation, Oyedepo will be bed mates with Rev King in a cell. You can continue to cry from now till thy kingdom come, I will continue to tell you that Oyedepo is a charlatan and a Rogue that steals and impoverish people by selling false hope to them while he robs them blind. You are busy asking how Oyedepo is culpable abi wait until the rogue is subpoenaed to appear in court to defend his role in the disappearance of that kid. I have no time explaining to a simpleton like you, you can read up Okija juju's earlier post in the begining pages, they are enough help your low I.Q reason. |
[quote author=olajide_07]The intent of posting their qualification is for you to see which one took the easy route to the CBN governors seat most nigerians you see continue school for 2 reasons the couldn't get a job "or job of their choice" or they needed to move up within their organisation and needed the paper qualification which we so much value in this country, for christ sake sanusi was in addition to the above once the MD of united bank for africa thou was fired by a difference in his point of view and that of keem bello osagie, soludo is a smooth talker any day anytime and issues of just a singular policy universal banking has caused all these issues small and simple as it looks its the cause.[/quote]I dont realy understand the point you are trying to make, Sir. Could you be more coherent and straightforward. |
lagerwhenindoubt: @Supporters of Winners,May you never experience the loss of a child of yours, especially in circumstances like the couple who are only human - do you understand the emotional trauma this couple is going through without getting closure for over 1 year and someone is saying the twin will grow and will be discovered someday.Seriously, I don't take generic christian eeediots like stiltude abi na that psychotic stagger seriously. Their ilks are the reason people look at christians today and say I will rather be an atheist than be like you. These guys practise christianity without common sense, religion has turned them stoopid and unreasonable. When I see the nonsense they write I realize why the likes of Oyedepo, Adeboya and co treat them like the 4cktards that they are. Mr Sam, the Victim prolly would have made their kind of arguments if he was not the victim too. That is the power of indoctrination, inability to apply common sense and human compassion for their fellow humans. I purposely chose not to engage stiltude cos it was obvious he was an indoctriated zombie, people like him need evils like this one to jolt them back into reality. His way of reasoning is very dangerous and should not be encouraged, imagine his very strange suggestions? It shows how emotionally detached these church goons are. My Prayer for them is that worse evil will befall them so that "christians like them can gloat about their predicament and make sick suggestions about turning it into a movie. |
ballabriggs: [size=18pt]MUMU! A RISK MANAGER DOES NOT ANALYSE MACROECONOMIC DATA? CHAI SEE MUMU O! [/size]aint you goinna respond again Mr ITK lol... 4cking FU4CKtard that does not know anything and want to argue with his superiors. Come out come tell us as Sanusi is an expert analyst on Macroeconomic thrend because that was the basis of his job as a risk manager while he was working in those commercial banks. Shebi you sabi gist opkata very well, 4ckin cretinous simpleton wey wan feel among.... ode!!!There's a big difference between the jejune stuff you read on your text book and what practical economics and econometrics are. |
bushwailo: Sanusi does not have an MSc. Why do people keep spreading this falsity.I know, I just had to add that for modesty sake....his claims of Msc in Economics is debatable....i am certain the guy has an Msc in Islamic studies though |
Krucifax: Apologies before i start,but this is further evidence of what i've always stated. Which is Nigeria is largely led by lunatics and a large percentage of Nigerians are not far of from lunacy in it's self.you are an ignoramus parading as an intellectual. You know nothing about what blabbing about. |
ballabriggs: [size=18pt]MUMU! A RISK MANAGER DOES NOT ANALYSE MACROECONOMIC DATA? CHAI SEE MUMU O! [/size]hahahah.... I can imagine Sanusi in First Bank abi na UBA analysing Unemployment rate, Nigeria's GDP, national output and income, price indexes, Inflation and Deflation rate for their bank before deciding which clients get loans or which businesses should the bank invest depositors' monies on...hahahahha.... You ve got the I.Q of a frog and you know nothing about risk management not to talk of economics. Shut the hell up!! Every statement you make is steeped with stupifying ignorance. |
ballabriggs: You are an illiterate. A man who worked as a Risk Director in Nigeria's biggest banks monitoring and analysing macroeconomic trends and data does not know anything? Some of you are very ignorant and the more you try to castigate the man it shows how silly you people are. In your brain, every Economist must be an academic and thus be a Professor. How daft you sound. There are Economists in business too, it does not make them lesser Economists. Get that into your shallow brain!hahahahah.... Seriously guy, the more you make an attempt the more blunders you make and expose the fact that you do not know what you are ranting about. You are worse than I had thought, walahi!!! lmao... What has working in a commercial bank as a risk manager got to do with macroeconomic analysis? Do you even know the difference between microeconomics and macroeconomics?...lol...chei, na from where this Dunce go school sef....stop acting like you know anything about economics, you are obviously shallow and using borrowed points you do not understand. Hence forth I shall treat every post you make with utter mockery, you do not have the intellectual depth to argue your with me on this issue, matter of fact, you do not have a point or any knowledge on this issue. I suspect, you are still in school and reading up textbooks so you can show off...hahahahahhaha....some of us have done that long ago, we are now in the system and know better. I am not an economist but I sure know moderately well enough about economics to know that you know nothing and don not know that you know nothing....lol....hahahaha...what a joke and malady of the mind. |
What I ve observed here is just some dullard Nigerians echoing the nonsense of others even though it is clear most of them did not read the article well. The ban is on public institution's procurement of foreign based laptops and peripherals. This is a well thought out plan that will help the local manufacturers grow both in capacity and quality. And those of you screaming zinox and omatek obviously have not used them or even seen how one looks like. Instead of you lot screaming about what you do not know and understand, it is better to keep shut and observe, that is how to learn. It is useless criticizing something you do not understand. Fact is, most of these foreign companies just like zinox and omatek, do thesame thing, they source their parts from different companies mostly in China, yes, almighty China. Most of them moved their manufacturing plants to china when it became clear to them that they will have to be in china to compete with over a hundred different chinese brands of thesame products. If you say Naija should wait until they can compete favourably with foreign brands without any intervention from government that will never happen even if we fix our infrastructure. People should learn to criticize constructively and strategically. Enough of these defitist slave mentality....china is an economic powerhouse today not because of her strong brands or quality products. Infact, China thrives on quantity, flooding the market with cheap affordable alternatives with reasonable quality and prospects of improving on the quality of their products. Ask most of these big brand names, they are not that popular in china even with the billions they spend on ads and moving their manufacturing plants to china. In chinese market, no matter how strong and cool the the quality of foreign products, they will never beat the locally made chinese alternatives from outside through sales outlet and mere ads. Most of the times, the foreign brands do a hostile take over of local competitors or go into a joint partnership with them to compete favourably. Most of what has become Chinese brands today, started out like that, their government gave them huge advantage over foreign brands even with their mediocre qualities. They dominated the local economy, improved on their quality with time sometimes even going into partnership with their foreign counter part and secretly stealing technical know-how and making little change to patented designs of their foreign partners after the joint venture ends. That is how to grow an economy, you think of yourself first whether your brand is world class or not, not the nonsense most of you are spewing here without using your head and considering the expansion of local capacity that such policy will bring. Nigerians like to reckon with foreign made products just so they can look big and posh not neccessarily cos of quality as many here wont even know a quality PC if they see it. |
ballabriggs: Unfortunately you are still speaking poo! You have very limited understanding of the issues. People like you would go to your village meeting to confuse them. My friend if you don't know then you get an economist to discern the issues for you. That is the proper thing to do.Another eeeeediot suffering from diarrhoea of the mouth and constipation of thought. Obviously, you are angry that you can't intimidate me or anyone here with your mediocre attempt to sound intelligent than you realy are. This is not your usual beer parlour settings; if you can't stand an intellectual discussion, I advise that you stay quiet in your limited knowledge and learn from your superiors. You will do yourself a whole lot of good if you stop humiliating yourself in a public forum. |
raycomray: I can see Soludo is receiving praises on this platform. Methinks he was corrupt.and Sanusi was a saint ?? Can you explain to us all from your clean sheet of incorruptible brilliance how Mr Sanusi the Saint rose to become the CBN governor with a mere 12years experience as A banker with an Msc in Economics if not through Nepotism and mediocre quota system. The man worked as GMD of First bank for only six months before getting the CBN job. His career rise is very very questionable and was never based on merit and experience in the sector. Sanusi is no saint, if you want us to argue about his policies and haphazard method of implimetations and compare it with his predecessor, Soludo, am all in. But if all we want to discuss is their character and personality then we can continue in this manner, your pick. |
ballabriggs: Unfortunately for you, you have not said anything. It shows you are not sound enough to discern what Soludo said. He has raised his arguments based on his line of thought, the question is which line do you belong. You are an 'Otimkpu'! I don't expect an illiterate like you to understand what I meant. You're an illiterate as you don't seem to understand Soludo's line of reasoning. You come out here to chat poo thinking no one would dissect your poor thought. Shame on your rotten soul! You can go to Onitsha main market where you would confuse your likes and don't come out here spewing rubbish. |
Ufeolorun: This is no relative gaming.Its about the man Soludo, Sanusi is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.The crux-it's dishonest grandstanding if you create mega banks(The most active sector of the market) who ran away with too many undisclosed related party dealings/transactions,had shocking approach to governance(all under your watch)then you come out with loads of faffs about conventional market problemsYou obviously do not understand the Nigerian Banking system let alone the stock markets. Sanusi is so very 4cking relevant to the discussion cos he came up with the whole Idea of "sanitizing" the system only to stiffle it to a standstill. You think the Nigerian banking system was immuned from the global financial crisis that started in the US and spiralled into other countries? For your information, our financial crisis started when the NSE crashed, I mean colapsed to the extent they had to virtually stop transactions. This was because institutional investors were divesting their monies from our capital market to solve their financial problems at home- US and UK. Many of them were getting "marging calls or request" from their banks and brokers as their share values had gone down below the minimum margin requirements offered by their lenders-banks and so on. This divestment from our capital market caused a panic and our banks who also had given margin loans to a lot of its clients started calling their clients to make more payment to shore up their minimum marging requirements on the margin loans extended to them or lose their shares. The effect of that was people selling of their shares and share values crashing down in a twinkle of an eye. Becaus the banking sector dominated the capital market, they took the fall and banks that had given too much margin loans to both clients and staff were worst hit. There were also huge cases of default on payments, non-serviced loans and loans that eventually went bad as a result. The aforementioned cases still was as a result of the economic crunch that had hit the world at that time, people defaulted on payment not because they chose to but because they clearly could not keep up with the payment giving the economic realities. Lets face it, Sanusi's reforms have been retrogressive and causing more havoc. Inflation has not gone down rather it is on the increase, people have lost more jobs than would have happened if the situation was handled with professional tact. Borrowing money from the banks is almost an imposible task hence the setting up of all these industry whatever funds here and there whose flows are not as flexible and continuos as those credit lines from banks. Banks have not stopped incurring bad loans as is seen from the banks that keep selling their bad loans to AMCON. Soludo may have made mistakes in being so laxed with regulations but he was very clear on where he was steering the economy to. Infact, Sanusi is as corrupt as the CEOs he prosecuted. If not, tell me how an ordinary manager in a Nigerian premier bank was promoted to the position of the MD within the shortest period of time, even though he had spent a little time in the banking sector and subsequently became the CBN governor just with a Bsc in economics. |
Ufeolorun: This is no relative gaming.Its about the man Soludo,Sanusi is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion.The crux-it's dishonest grandstanding if you create mega banks(The most active sector of the market) who ran away with too many undisclosed related party dealings/transactions,had shocking approach to governance(all under your watch)then you come out with loads of faffs about conventional market problems |
Like what is going on here ![]() Why is everyone stuttering and messing with colours.... |
Instead of some people crying and ranting about Soludo, I challenge anyone who feels Soludo is talking balderdash to come out here and state clearly what Sanusi has done better. |
ballabriggs: Poor reasoning from a poor student. Economics as part of the social sciences has never ending debates and that is what Soludo talked about there. There are unending arguments by both the leftists and the people from the right. The interesting thing is that both sides make valid arguments when you listen to the debate. It is left for you to choose which side of economic thought you want to belong to. That is how you know you have grown as an Economist. Unfortunately the Nigerian education system at present does not allow for this. You are just fed with whatever your teachers think. The fact that one is a Professor does not mean you cannot have a debate with him and disagree with him making valid points. That is what the academic environment is all about. I would tell you that Soludo made blunders and I have valid points to show it. He had good intentions no doubt but what they did was to stretch the economy beyond its capacity thus negating long run economic development in line with the Keynesian school.All pun intended, you have not shown any superior knowledge, even your attempt to sound smart is mediocre, vague and lacks any serious intellectual depth. One would have expected that instead of going round & round about what you think you know and confusing yourself with political jargons that add nothing to your points, you would have given your own "superior" school of thougt and outlined what you think Soludo should have done. All you did was to go on a monkey banana chest beating spree, there was nothing intellectual about your post and your supposed academic brilliance. Bragging is not an intellectual achievement especially when you do not know what is it you are blabbing about. |
stildude: I do think restrain should be shown in responding to this report. All we have is a one sided story. Call me whatever you will, While I feel sorry for the parents of the child and could only imagine what they are going thru, some things should be made clear. 1. The children section workers are volunteers and, the least the church can do is protect them to an extent except offcourse, there are clear indictment made against them. If the church moved to release the volunteer workers from the police station, they haven't done anything wrong and that shouldn't stop the police from conducting their investigation. A picture was painted that the church covered up the incident whereas, an official of the church was the person that reported the matter at the police station even when the parents didn't. If they were unsatisfied, they could have petitioned a higher command or something with their reservation and insist on a more open investigation. If you try to paint the picture that they are poor and maybe uneducated, they have gone thus far to the point of going to the media already. Also, just one question, if your mom or aunt went to a church and freely gave her services to the church and one day arrested and held without bail, what would you think. For me, I think a new post will emerge on nsiraland captioned: An innocent volunteer woman in winners capel held in police custody without help from oyedepo!At a point, I had thought you were going to make a valid point but in the process you veered into thesame foolish logic of trying to silence the victim by repremanding the victim for his guts and audacious move to go public and expose Oyedepo. Like that eeeediot stagger, you showed stoopid reverence instead of common sense, you just cherry picked part of the report that suited your intentions and left out the bitter truth. You made mention of the man going to the media but conveniently left out the part where he alleged that the TV station was influenced by somebody from the Church to twist the fact and make it seem like the man's kid got lost at his residence and not in winners chapel. When He called them at AIT and asked why the story was twisted, he was told that they had recieved orders from your "hallowed men of gods" to do so. And Yes, the church had no option than to report the case to the police but was that enough? How come they never said anything about it until the man got fed up and is now talking. There was obviously no sincerity of purpose, they only observed protocols. You even showed thesame unreasonable and illogical streaks like the bible wielding brutes in "Ota Towers" to think more of the emotional comfort of the "volunteers" than the safty and whereabout of little praise. They were taken into custody for questioning, what is the church afraid of? Even after they had been released and Mr Sam and a neighbor set a meeting to meet them to give account of what happened the church still did not deem it fit to present these "Volunteers" like you call them. Does it occur to you that any one of these volunteers could be responsible for the disappearance of that kid? The fact it was a volunteer job even heightened the possibility and suspicion; it makes it more pertinent that they are all investigated thoroughly. Anyone could present themself for a volunteer job even an unsuspecting child kidnaper and trafficker can be a volunteer. If you were in the man's shoes, giving the way the church has has "assisted" in finding his little girl, will you just say "oh well, I've done my best, I leave everything to prayers like our super rich "Papa" dismissed too? Be sincere to yourself buddy, can you honestly state that the church has been fair? Has the church realy done all it could to find or know what happened to Praise? When the man went mad and tried to cause a scene in the church, he was seriously rebuked and threatened, the result was your "Papa" giving him the silent treatment. This is a man whose lil girl was abducted in his church. I want to believe Oyedepo will order a serious investigation into the private lives of those fucking Volunteers of yours if it had happened to him or a close relative. Don't help him play ignorance and act like Oyedepo was in Kanfachan when that Child got kidnapped in his church. It did not happen in one of his very many business centres some where else, it happened right in his HQ "Ota Towers" the seat of Oyedepo's magnificence and stupendous opulence. He, Oyedepo was duly informed about it and he was said to have walked with the man to find the child round the childrien's department before throwing the towel and dismissing the man with his infamous "I see no evil" statement. And you have the guts to want to silence this man and even make stooopid snide remarks about making a movie "outta this evil"?? Nigga where is your sense of decency?[color=#990000][/color] |
hercules07: The simple answer has been provided by Ufe, the banks that fuelled the capital market were doing illegal and criminal acts, once the bubble burst, the market had to adjust itself, Soludo is culpable and should go and sit down somewhere, in saner climes, he will be answering questions over his role in the whole thing.can you in clear terms show how he was culpable without resorting to thesame old tired blame games. |
Hahahah.... In a way, Soludo made rubbish of Sanusi's obsession with heavy regulation of the financial market when he said:“stock market crashes will always happen: no amount of ‘reforms’ or ‘regulation’ will stop future ones. The jury is still out on what constitutes ‘appropriate’ regulation or ‘reforms’ of the market: debate raging in US now, over vs under- regulation.” He made his case here because since he left office, Sanusi and his supporters have always implied that the reason the market crashed was as a result of his laxed regulation and control of the market. Now that the market is heavily regulated and controlled, we still are having thesame problems attributed to Soludo's handling of the market. This goes a long way to show that after all said and done, market crashes were inherently part of the market cycle and not neccessarily as a result of the stiffness or otherwise of regulations. Another very valid point he made was pointing out to the corrupt law makers how their nefarious activities also contributed to the downfall of the financial market. "He said the stock market was simply a reflection of what obtained in the larger socio-political strata of any economy saying it was the mismanagement and bad leadership in Nigeria that was responsible for the market crash". And yes, He was very correct when he said; "Investors are not stupid (when the Market was booming, Nigeria was not rated No.14 failed State in the world— think about this!) They are watching the nonsense going on in our polity and how policy makers somersault policies on their heads, thoughtless policy reversals without minding how it affects long time investments and stuff like that. How are we sure that the market is not just reflecting the fundamentals of the economy? This one question Sanusi obviously do not have answers to;“What kind of market do we want — a market that leads the economy or that follows the economy? Let us define our target/destination and how far we are from it before we know the appropriate vehicle to reach there. Another question that made Sanusi look like a confused policy maker experimenting on unsound economic policies is this one:“How come that in three years and with monthly oil price averaging $100 per barrel and over 2mbd, and with all the ‘reforms’ in money and capital markets (supposedly there is no more lax regulation/supervision) and despite Dangote’s over N2 trillion listing which lifted the market cap over N8 trillion, the market cap is basically today at the level I left it three years ago?” Like seriously, Sanusi has driven the market into a standstill that is why everything is crashing. |
Heard they will be payin both april & may |
Wahala90: How can you waste so much space and yet make no sense! Don't give up, keep writing you will make sense one day.And your crybaby whiny-arsed opinion would be...? |
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lol... 4cking FU4CKtard that does not know anything and want to argue with his superiors. Come out come tell us as Sanusi is an expert analyst on Macroeconomic thrend because that was the basis of his job as a risk manager while he was working in those commercial banks. Shebi you sabi gist opkata very well, 4ckin cretinous simpleton wey wan feel among.... ode!!!
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