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We are not yet at that level. Relax. Dont get scared. We are behind South Africa nearly all aspects. Until I think 2035 or 2030 if you continue to mess around like youre busy doing.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Even when you check automative headquarters Kenya sites not feature.

Peugeot, Citron, chery, jaguar are in Morocco

Kenya is missing in action

How can you pay 360,000 personel with 2B dollars It simple maths. There is no way you can pay more than kenya.

Kenya 30K forces can beat Boko Haram in a week - because they are very motivated with good salaries ( starting from around 400 dollars - with majors earning upto 3000 dollars per annum - generals earning upto 10K usd per month) - they also have latest equipment - if they die in war - their families get paid about 80,000USD as life insurance - therefore they are well motivated - they are disciplined - they are required to have military degree or be promoted every 8 yrs or they go home.

That is how to have proffesional military - not just bodies of ill-trained militia like Ethiopia or DRC Congo or Nigeria - coz what will militia really help you with except go harrasing civilians. Kagame tiny force took a week to get to Kinshasas - because DRC army is a joke - they rarely get salaries - they just have uniforms and know how to fire a gun. This basically what you do - I have seen even passout parades - it a joke - no serious training - then just issue the guy with uniforms and a gun - and call it an army - and dont pay the guy that much - or even pay them with food rations like some Africa countries do...MILITIA.

Even KANU the Igbo boy was starting to give your problems - thank kenya topnotch security forces - who got him and bundled him to KQ - to Abuja. Kenya is not a place to launch military campaign from - big mistake he made there.

The highest crade of staff in kenya gov are teachers - they number 200,000 - and total education budget is 5-6B dollars - and almost exclusively for salaries.

obaaderemi:
That's the interesting thing. How come we buy a lot of topnotch military equipment and still pay our army personnel out of our $2.4bn military budget while Kenya with $1bn military budget still doesn't buy any military equipment and yet has only 25 thousand personnel?
Massive corruption ongoing in Kenya's military. Heads must roll.

Strawman argument Twitter is actually targetting Nigeria - but you're a kidnapping hotspot without any electricity

obaaderemi:
Twitter headquarters for Africa is in Accra, don't be jealous.

South Africa is or was advanced Africa country - but it has stagnated - so much now companies - of all sort - are now choosing Nairobi - which is more central - as their Africa HQ.

It that simple. South Africa doesn't have the geography to be Africa HQ - flying from Capetown to Nigeria or Morroco is hard.

Therefore get used to Nairobi be Africa HQ - for many reasons - including very high HCI, good air connections, bla bla bla

AfriqueDuZuid:
Facebook, Google now Amazon opening their Africa headquarters in south Africa.

And that with knowledge of Konza. If it was. Of a big deal, the "silicon Valley of Africa don't you think they would have chosen It

Okay let even assume that was true. Now explain to me slowly how 2B budget can secure a country twice bigger than Kenya - and how to you pay your MILITIA - of 360,000 people - with 2B dollars. Let assume you dont buy any equipment .

You see you have about 15 times kenya personell - with budget slightly higher.

That is why your militia is UNDER PAID DEMOLARIZED ILL EUQUIPED AND UNABLE TO DEFEAT BOKO HARAM.

See Ethiopia for reference - they have less budget than kenya for military - with 1-2million men in there - But Eritrea beat them and made them landlocked; Now Tirgray has beaten them.

Gov revenues are important - NIgeria shameful federal budget of 25B dollars - mean a lot of trouble for you guys. It like Somalia - you simply have no gov.

obaaderemi:
Nigeria's military budget is $2.4bn while Kenya's is a paltry $1bn. No wonder tiny al shabab strolls into Nairobi to fvck you up.

Microsoft is actually coding windows in Nairobi. Not just opening a office. Google open the first Africa office in Nairobi 10yrs. What you're celebrating happened 10-15years ago in kenya - and when we saw this - big companies like oracle, ibm, google coming to nairobi - we started thinking big - we started thinking KONZA.

So you're 10-15yrs late. Konza city once it off ground will be big - not sales office for Twitter.

obaaderemi:
Real companies are shunning Kenya. This konza shiit is dead on arrival. Facebook opened its first office for Africa in Jo'burg and the second is coming up in Lagos.
Ghana has Twitter Africa headquarters. Don't you see the handwriting on the wall? Tanzania and Uganda will soon displace Kenya even in East Africa.

You need to connect taxes with Boko haram - to be able to understand this.
Explain to us how you Nigeria Milita (calling it army is an abuse of the word) - survives with 2B dollar budget -with a force of 360,000 personell.
While Kenya military has a budget of 1.3B dollars with a force of 25,000.
When we go to police - they have similar budget of 1.5b dollar - with force of 40,000.

obaaderemi:
I can say you really have nothing to say.

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AfriqueDuZuid:
Same goes for a city,

Which companies will be occuping Konza?

You retrogressed to Just30 mad levels. This is very desperate post.

Let not go into salaries comparison - you will lose. Kenya private earn more than Nigeria Major. Dont waste your time...your ethiopia like army of 360,000 personell...are nearly on the same budget with kenya lean force of 25,000. DO NOT GO THERE I think both countries are now on budget of 1.5B dollars - one support a lean proffesional army of 25k - one support a milita like Ethiopia one of 360K paid with beans and yams or if at all - a cowardly milita that run away from Boko Haram.

And finally what has Dangote Refinery or Lekki port or Oil refineries - got anything to do with Nigeria gov.

This very desperate level - try to elevate a little bit.

obaaderemi:
Your recruits(army) earn about $71 while in Nigeria they earn about $120.
Your budget is even as small as it is gets stolen every year. Look at Nairobi for example and see the slums getting bigger.
You are a small country and yet poorly run. Look at the levels of starvation in Northern Kenya, do I need to post the pictures again?
Why are Kenyans braving the uncertainty and abuse in the gulf so as to escape from your hell hole?
There is no hope in Kenya. So, you would rather tax poor Kenyans to death all because you want to give them electricity and water? The same electricity you produce nothing with. Nigeria's. even With all the mismanagement still has a higher manufacturing index than Kenya.

It's just stupid if because you want to keep up with the Joneses, you tax your people madly and borrow from China against your future. You can't pay China back because you make little money. Kenya's future is indeed bleak. This is the last flickering flash before the darkness for you.
Unlike Nigeria, look at the Projects we have in the pipeline, ...Lekki Port about to be completed,.. The Dangote Refinery about to be completed,.. our railway projects, then our agricultural potentials and blossoming ICT sector, not to mention huge reserves of gas..it's endless.
It's senseless to tax your people dry and borrow against your children's future from China to fund a budget that your politicians keep stealing. Kenya is the real hell.

This is not a mall - this is new city - there is a lot of interest - just the progress been slower

AfriqueDuZuid:
A revolution starts during construction, you see even when building a mall how shops pick up space is sign of how successful the mall will be, same goes for any other development.

Again which tech companies are coming to Konza?

Tech revolution just about got started. Many of them will relocate from South Africa to Kenya as you descend into more lawelness and crime.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I believe Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter did not see much of that vision

Because they choose other countries to build institutions, real estate and headquarters in other countries in Africa. Even after Konza city was commissioned

The masterplan is being followed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfNxNTasPg

AfriqueDuZuid:
Tangible as in reflecting what on the render

None from South Africa definitely - but Elon Musk kind. We already got Korean famous research institution onboard. We need silicon valley kind of companies - Microsoft, Googles, Facebooks, Twitters, SAP, Oracles, name them.

The vision is simple - to create a silicon valley in Africa for home grown and foreign tech and research companies.

I hope you know how much silicon valley contribute to US economy from it's tiny location.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Ok which tech companies are you talking about?

This topic is beyond your paygrade. We will comeback to pictures soon.

AfriqueDuZuid:
You haven't answered me!

Anyway this is not a competition! Neither does kenya have a tech city.

What tech battle?

I don't think any of current leadership understand technology to have a vision of this with clarity that someone like Bitange Ndemo has. Maybe they give it to Michael Joseph - and he will have the credibility having created Mpesa - to attract global tech companies.

The biggest risk is they may see this as free land grabbing session - and give it phoney river road companies - interested in the land - not in creating Africa Tech Ecosystem.

Saddamochieng00:
Absolutely, we really need to sell this project. I just hope we can sort out things 2022 as Uhuru has been doing great for the past year. Last thing we need is some idiot getting in office and dragging us down.

EKO CITY is failed project. There is already real estate glut in Lagos lasting many years because again - you cannot just build tall office blocks without formal economy. Filling up one is not a easy job. You don't just recreate Dubai or NewYork without the economy to support it.

Now let talk Konza city - TECHNOLOGY CITY - once we get horizontal infrastructure done - we will invite the global tech companies and research institution - to set up their campus there - we already have data center - best of electricity - fiber - and name it.

These tech companies will jump at the opportunity - not only for free land - but a planned city - whose total area is going to be 100Km square of planned, well secured, all utilities - and connected to the train to Mombasa for weekend of best beaches, few kilometers you're in Amboseli watching animals and you can literally see Kilimanjaro -60kms you're in Nairobi - and 50km in JKIA airport.

Konza will fly. Eko city is dead.

68816419:
Nigga, don't even go there, Eko Atlantic City in comparison with all projects in kenya, is what a father is to a son. And do you even know that all the 25km2 of land in Eko Atlantic are sold out already, that all major infrastructures ( roads,15+ Bridges, underground drainage and sewage systems, independent power....) Are completed?

It more of Bitange Ndemo vision really. Sadly he got into land scandal on this project. Bitange Ndemo should be made a head of this project. The Tanui guy is good for engineering aspect of this - but next phase will need a marketer who can sell the vision to global tech companies.

Saddamochieng00:
Kibaki was smart enough to realise that with all the technological advancements going on a tech city would be a really viable idea.

Sometimes I wonder what would have been if we only had mineral resources.

Once horizontal infrastructure is done - and the plots of land given to reputable companies - it will take 3yrs max for phase 1 to be done..

Obviously these guys are waiting to see things above ground - unaware of huge progress being made underground.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EGysqfcq0

Saddamochieng00:
That's just the first phase, you can view the whole project on YouTube and see how much of a game changer it will be.

The first technological city in the whole of Africa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRUgHh6H__E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2makic3uzE

Why not complete Eko city before starting many new ones.
Konza city once horizontal infrastructure is done - about 50 percent now - will fly.
The reason is simple - Gov is giving out the Land for FREE - as long as you're tech or research company.
So imagine for investors - getting free land with all utilities sorted.
Obviously nobody sane will go to Eko CIty and buy land for 10M dollars..when there is free land in Konza City.
Land connected to electricity that will never go down, with best fiber connections, water, sewers, storm drains, name it.

See the kind of massive work being undertaken by Italians to get world class infrastructure. Once horizontal infrastructure is complete - the plots will be issued for free- and 2-3 yrs - the city will be beehive of activies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rv-L7AXNTo

68816419:
indeed these guys are clowns, even this new project tagged orange island in Lekki, will be completed before that dead rubbish Kenya city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aNlHKERYKc

There is nothing like this in South Africa. You do not have any techno city. You already lost the tech battle to Kenya - and maybe Nigeria. Of course it slow because this new city in the middle of nowhere....

AfriqueDuZuid:
Ok

Is this the progress of much hyped konza city?

Actually instead of going to Italy to pick tomatos - why not supply Dangote with Tomatos. 7yrs later his tomato factory still operating at 20 percent capacity. Surely what is hard with growing Tomatos.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-09/tycoon-dangote-can-t-get-enough-tomatoes-to-run-plant-profitably

theenchanter:
ur perception, bruh........ Ur perception.

Kenya president inspect the massive Konza city - 5,000 acres plus 10kms buffer of planned space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQOA8zdSN6Q

You know we can simply reduce our budget to Nigeria kind of level - for us that would be having 10B budget - pay our teachers 75 dollars a month like you do - pay our army majors and general 400 dollars like you do - the salary we pay our army recruits in training - we can stop development -capital investment - or deliver projects at such slow pace - it come to fruition 30yrs later if at all - we can go on and on. We can definitely shut down all the power stations and have everyone buying their own generator if they can afford - or sweating like a pig in darkness if they cannot afford.We can even allow kidnapping to become part of us - but we choose to resource police better - they use brand new car every day that is expensively leased - and if it develop a small hitch - car companies rush with new one - police get better pay, have life insurance and housing - all these cost money.

But we choose to be ambitious - and to set very high tax target annually - because we have a vision as country to become a proper middle income (like South Africa) by 2030.

So the budget you want us to have would be revenues 6B (being 6 percent of 100B) - and borrowing maybe of 2B - 8B kshs

Budget deficit - simply mean we are leveraging (borrowing more) and betting on our future - which indeed is bright.

obaaderemi:
Let me come down to the abysmal level of an average Kenyan, maybe you'll understand now.
You have no choice but to tax your people to death because your country is poor and broke! Your budget deficit keep rising. In 2020, it was over 7%! I am not sure any other subsaharan African country has a budget deficit as high as that.

So in a nutshell, you need to keep squeezing your people dry through taxation to pay for high budgets you could ill afford. Then you and your boy kikuyu1 come here to brag about your budget that has brought little development to Kenya.
The problem is not only your multiple taxes that's killing poor Kenyans but also your crazy Chinese loans. How will you pay for your budget deficit without the meaningless taxes and Chinese loans? And yet the slums continue to grow. Your education is still bad as you have shown here, joblessness continue to rise.
If you widen your tax net, you will tax people lower and still make more money. It's the same thing Nigeria needs.

Study the law of averages - and your overcooked gdp will be self-evident. I expect Nigeria if it was indeed 400B dollar economy to be collecting 15-20% of its gdp as its revenue - as most countries at that level of development do. Even poor Benin or Niger I bet are there. Therefore when you collect about 3-4 percent - that huge outlier - and it can only mean you've overestimated your GDP - or you do not tax at all like Saudi Arabia and the Arab rich oil states. We of course know you desperately tax as much as any country.

For Nigeria to get 20% of GDP to tax - it mean collecting 80B dollars! Do you see that happening in your lifetime. That is where Kenya is - and with 80B - it mean you can have 100B dollars plus budget - enough money to provide basic infrastructure, do serious social investment, pay for gov services, and repay debts. Kidnapping, insecurity, oil pipeline vandalism, secession movements - will be history - because your security forces - will be well armed/resourced to respond to any such internal threats.

For Nigeria to get say UK or France level - it mean collecting 160B dollars - and to get to Nordic nearly 200B dollars.

You see cooking GDP is really waste of time and money - because it's a useless figure - it an estimate - of the size of the economy - it;s not the money in the bank like gov revenues.

obaaderemi:
You are not really educated. Simple.

There is no hell worse than Nigeria. You are already roting in one. You probably got no electricity now - no water - your cesspool is stinking if not overflowing - you have job that pays little if anything - and if you were sane you'd be plotting your way through Sahara desert - to go pick tomatos in Italy or sell drugs or sweep streets.

Check all the socio-economic indicators - you're at the bottom of it. Let's not talk about kidnapping, lack of infastructurue and name it. In fact if GDP is re-adjusted to its correct level - you will be at the VERY BOTTOM of every indices - Somalia maybe will beat you to it.

That is hell - not even imagined by the jewish neaderthal of the stone age when they wrote their bible.

theenchanter:
[s]I'll rather rot in hell than read it usual garbage.

You cannot squeeze water from a rock. Nigeria economy simply cannot generate significantly more taxes than it does. It cannot tax your poor herdmen of Kaduna and expect to get money. Majority of Nigerians are poor. They are world capital of poverty.

The only increase I can see is maybe doubling your VAT - that maybe will earn you another 2-3B dollars annually - that is about 0.5 percent of your cooked GDP.Corp tax at 30% and income tax at 24 percent are at the floor. Your custom duties are also at the top - hence all the smuggling through Benin and Cameroon.

See VAT is already wide enough

Nigeria VAT rates
Rate Type Which goods or services
7.5% Standard All taxable goods and services
0% Zero Zero rate applies to goods and services including: non-oil exports; commercial aircraft and spare part imports; certain humanitarian initiatives; machinery and equipment used in the solid minerals sector; exports; agricultural equipment; commercial vehicles; basic foodstuffs; postal; residential rents; medical and pharmaceutical supplies; education and related materials; a limited range of financial services; books and newspapers

theenchanter:
keep moving from pillar to post, an idiotic fool like u doesn't know what it means to widen tax net, now, someone took his time to tutor u on that, instead of u to acknowledge the fact, u're ranting over nonsensical bullshit.....

Nonsense.

Stories of giants. You cannot widen tax base without growing the economy. Kenya at it's level of development will play around 20 percent of GDP to revenue - the same is true for countries at that level. South Africa and Magreb will play around 25 percent. Developed countries where compliance is very high play from 30 percent and above.

Nigeria playing aroud 6 percent tell you - the economy is at least 2-3 times overcooked. Actually I think it play around 3-4 percent - meaning Yemi Kale has really overcooked your GDP.

obaaderemi:
You don't understand a thing. A country can widen its tax net by making sure that those who hitherto were not captured for tax collection now fall within the tax regime, not just vat. Also when you do that you find a way to reduce tax evasion.

Mad Cow
1) Sludge - Semi-solid
2) Watch the Newyork video you shared - and let me know the part where Newyork transport untreated sewage sludge
3) Ghana just going by you and the other of your kind here - despite all the minerals - is frankly hopeless.
4) There is a reason why despite all the minerals - you remain poor - like Nigeria - and kenya without none is doing great
5) Sewage technology has little room for innovation - sewer lines will continue to take grey water to be treated - at sewer plants - except in west africa that lucks such basic infrastructure.
6) One of the reason you cannot build apartments and tall buildings is lack of sewer lines...not earthquake.

Just30:
You are really dumb oo

Let me enlighten you

I cant stand this level of dumbness

Sludge simply means used and discarded wet liquid and semi-liquid substance....

Sludge is not crude oil....

In the marine Industry where I work, our Sludge is usually used diesel, petrol, dirty oils and etc, they all end up in our sludge tank... When we get to shore, we pump it out into takers which take them for recycling...

New York sludge that is transported by train and ships are totally untreated raw sewage, go and watch the videos again dumb head...

Your country Kenya is overflowing with faecal matter because you guys are stack in the past with 1800s tech... And that is why Cholera(a disease of the poor) is still killing y'all in kenya...

Yet every sane country has permit for sewage to be trucked, railed or sailed across town



Kenya is not a serious country and will remain undeveloped because you guys ain't ready to invest in proper tech
Countries have modernised from those open pit sewage treatment systems because they cause lots of pollution

Oil Sludge - I bet you have heard of it.

Sludge is just a word to describe the nature of the material. Should we call it crude oil for you to understand.

What you transport in Ghana is untreated - straight from your cesspool - to the Atlantic or some forest or treatment plant - it is why cholera epidemics have happened a lot in your country.

What they have in New York or my town is a different problem- disposing of treated sludge - water has been squeezed out - bacteria killed - this now safe (if unlike Ghana it doesn't have heavy metals) - and can be dumped anywhere.

NO SANE COUNTRY WILL ALLOW TRANSPORTATION OF UNTREATED SLUDGE or MAKE IT A CORNER STONE OF THEIR SANITATION.

Your country is therefore a joke.

Start to build proper sewage systems by investing money in underground pipe work for grey water and all the materials that get flushed down from kitchen and bathrooms.

Just30:
You don't even know what sludge is and what manure is..... Manure is the end product that can be use for Africulture purposes and it carries no awful smell...
Sludge stinks badly because it is raw sewage

learn

RAW SEWAGE SLUDGE - that you pick from overflowing soak pits and cesspits - taken to be treated or dumped in Altantic - this is Ghana (and even parts of Kenya do this)

Treated Sludge - that need to be dumped as manure or burnt as fuel for thermal electricity - this is the modern developed proper way.

Understand the DIFFERENCE!

Just30:
Your country is still practising this outdated shit and that is why when it rain, everywhere in kenya get polluted with sewage....


Even when it doesn't rain, the pollution to the environment is already by

Modernise oo

Anyway, this is one of New York poop train


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpR91_Ql_IE



The Morons in Kenya are still practising a system the keep spilling faecal matter into kenyan homes

Fuvking disgusting

So because there is permit to transport sludge that mean NewYork run on network of soakpits and cesspool like Lagos or Accra. Please do not be a slowpoke like you friend who just argue for it's sake.

What is so difficult to build underground sewage using concrete pipes - it's one of cheapest investment infrastructure wise - and nearly every town in Kenya has it.

Why would a city envisage a situation where you transport raw sewage? Leaking bacteria and spreading disease all over the streets? What happens in accidents.

As for TREATED Sludge - that can be transported anytime. This my local town asking anybody to pick it up

Kericho Water & Sanitation Co. Ltd
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Photos of kericho water sewerage treatment plant, treated sewage sludge for agricultural use is also available free of charge. If you are interested please liase with the office.

obaaderemi:
Even when you saw the fact staring you in the face. End of discussion @ bolded. You are incorrigible.

https://www1.nyc.gov/nycbusiness/description/waste-transporter-permit

They long lost it - and they run to this echo chamber. It a shame they killed the other thread - which was a mirror showing how ugly their country was.

kikuyu1:
He wants to but KNOWS he can't refute your arguments since he has no FACTS! So he sticks to redundant noise repetitively liked by his groupies.