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The second car detonated by police..lots of dead people..most shot on their restaurants or trying to ran.Around 6 attackers holed up in the hotel. ALSHABAB Claim it.Timed to concide to last year attack on Mogadishu.

Ibrahimanis:
Can someone explain this to me?

Nairobi is not close to the Somalian border, so how do this guys get there? Or are they from the Somalian migrants living there?

Nairobi is about 500kms from Somali border.Obviously there a lot of their terror cells among the millions of somalis in Nairobi but for 4 or 5 yrs they were about nearly eliminated.We need to clean the reminder.We actually had move our intelligence forces to fight graft coz terror war was won.I guess that lapse has allowed them in.

Goel:
Population ususally shrinks with enormous per capita income growths and people compensating consumption it by buying luxuries.
Moreover, China is an export led economy and also depends upon consumption of other countries.

I think more population doesnt necessarily mean more consumption.Small European nations beat giant nations in consumption.The right question therefore is once you become rich by having less $ less kids how do you raise and sustain high income in a country while competing with poor low income countries.And the answer is transitioning the country into high tech high paying jobs that can sustain consumption.A poor man may drink 50 litres of milk a year..while richer man will consume may 500 litres...that huge consumption scope per capita before you even transition to luxury consumption.Kazikazi need real life example..TZ family has 6 kids and kenya family 2 kids...TZ family for most part of first 20yrs will survive entirely on labour of both parents will remain mostly poor, malnourished and with zero investments or savings.They may consume more but end up with zero savings or investment to break out of cyclic poverty.They are producing $ consuming more but growing poorer .Smaller kenya family will initially produce $ consume less but will be able to feed $ educate their children better and have some savings $ investments..eventually they may afford a tractor or better farm inputs...leading to greater wealth in short span. The better feed and educated kids will get high paying jobs.The large family kids will mostly end up unable to complete school. This is what generally happen at micro level and translate to country level.

theenchanter:
u tell me, at least yemi kale told u.

80B dollars or about 1/4 to 1/5 of 375B.Youre are as thick as most nigerians we deal with here.But take heart Tanzanians can be twice as daft on average.And yet they somehow manage to tie their shoe laces.

theenchanter:
are u scared of proving it that u resort to slanders? But u've been running amok since about yemi kale with his fake wharever since morning.

What is the agricultural component of Nigeria gdp in dollars.Answer. 50 brownie points.Tip 20-25% of 400B gdp.Best guesstimate is good enough but be precise if possible.

forgiveness:
One oil well is enough to borrow $100b. Decipher?

I think there is only one such oil well in China..at best all your wells have generated 600b in 50yrs..so you would have to mortgage all oil earnings for 10yrs to get 100b..

theenchanter:
i know u're a software engineer, just show me where yemi kale said our agriculture sector is $80b, thats all.

You look at latest nigeria gdp figures and look at agriculture sector..convert to dollars..if this beyond your paygrade then stop wasting my time.I prefer to deal with people with some functioning brain cells.I would prefer to argue about something google cannot help you slowpoke.

Jonraid:
Mostly, a bigger GDP translates to bigger amounts of debts. One of the characteristics of developed nations is that they usually have higher amounts of debts. Few developed nations show the opposite of this.Very few!

As long as our debt to gdp ratio does not cross the red line,60%,.....Kenya should continue accumulating debt if necessary,this debt should only be meant for development.

With Nigeria having a 350b gdp,they should be borrowing more than what they are owed knowing that they can easily pay up because they have a higher gdp.

They know full well that they have a fake gdp. They can't borrow much because their treasury doesn't collect enough monies!

Their treasury's actual balances at the end of each revenue collection year are roughly the same size as Kenya's ones!

Exactly.You can overstate your gdp but you cannot multiply the money in your banks.That's is nobody why goes policing gdps.Its like many stats.You want to be accurate for own planning sake.Its like home graded exams.You can give yourself A but real exam youll get you E.You can also understate your gdp and you can end up overdosing.So countries with functional leadership try to be as accurate as possible..and you seem them doing a lot of cross referencing.

theenchanter:
u bring it here.... lemme tear it apart.

Dont forget u're still an arm-chair economist

You dont need to be an economist to compute gdp.That is why its done by statisticians.I am software engineer but i have trained kenya $ rwanda national statistics office on some stuff around computer aided data collections using US gov national census bearue tools about 10yrs ago.All you do is collect sector data..try figure quantities produced and market prices using UN classification of all economic activities.Yemi kale is not an economist.He is statistician from lol university of Adis Ababa.

theenchanter:
pls, dont worry over that. U've failed already.

Show me where yemi kale said nigeria has a $80b agriculture sector?

try type this "yemi kale 80b agriculture overcooked" on nairaland search box.let us know what comes up.we have done that analysis.Nearly half of that 80B is just tubers...yams $ cassavas..sold in informal farmers market.The most incredible nonsense passing as national economics accounts.Youre being lied to by your gov who overstate their gdp so you cannot ask the right question you need to ask..why poverty esp absolute poverty so rampant.Youre angry because you know the truth is youre not Egypt or South Africa even with 200m people.

forgiveness:
We just borrowed $5b dollars to complete our 3050mw project. Clown.

2 or 3 or 5b that kenya borrows.You look up what Egypt or South Africa can do...they can leverage upto 200B.And you probably have to gurantee the loan with oil futures contracts.

theenchanter:
pls, just go back to school, u're disgracing ur fellow kenyans.

Is this the genius kenyans said loves fact
Cc: kikuyu1

South Africa total public debt is around 200b and Egypt 190b..with external debt 75 and 85b respectively.Those are true 300plus B gdps.Nigeria and Kenya debt profile are as similar as their economies and revenues..75 versus 55B.Show me one creditor who can trust Nigeria 200B.Unless he was a fool who expect payment in kola nuts.

theenchanter:
how sure are u that SA and egypt can easily borrow $200b?

Coz South Africa debt is around 200B dollars.Your can only borrow if you can service or repay the loan.You total debt is 74B compared to kenya 50B coz that is what you can afford.Your revenues collection are nearly equal to Kenya.No creditor cares about cooked GDP.They care about money in bank vaults.Overstating GDP never works.When poverty analysis is done you still stick out.

forgiveness:
Stop consoling yourself because $50m dept you owe went into the pockets of your thieving politicians.

They like TZ had 18B forgiven by Paris Club.They are hopeless without oil.Right now no serious creditor can lend them serious money.They have the same tag as HIC.South Africa or Egypt can easily borrow even 200B dollars.They can only float 2 or 3b eurobond like kenya.

TayserMahri:
You might be ignoring the influence of religion and culture. There's no reason why a wealthy learned Somali in Nairobi would not know that their kids have a high chance of surviving. We can excuse the vast majority in remote areas but not the ones in cities.

But islamic magreb and arabia are not breeding.I think it illiteracy and misogyny.once somali women are empowered they will regulate the kids they can have.

darfay:
Where are your forums today? I get am before no b property

It's like Greece bragging to the world of how Atlantis is the greatest city in the world

Forums themselves are vestigial...online conversation happens in social media now.

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forgiveness:
With what did you build these houses? Bread and butter?

Do you even have or adhere to some building code or you just build.In kenya at mimum you need to reserve 25% of land for greenery..in other places like Karen they use to allow one hse in 5 acre land..now its 1 acre.Greenery is a requirement to build a decent non slum residences.Most of houses I see in Nigeria would never be allowed in a modern city..just concrete everywhere...instead of just the drive away...everywhere is carbo.

TayserMahri:
Not a bad move except for the car dealers. We should actually aim for complete ban of used cars in a decade. It would also help address the mad traffic.

Btw, the Central Bank Governor Patrick Njoroge has been in the streets meeting SMEs this past week. The Nigerian CBN Governor would rather die than do the same. He is also the only one expected to leave office among the big three; Kenya, SA and Nigeria.

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/africa/policy-stability-seen-as-key-african-central-bankers-terms-end/

Why is leaving early.Njoroge is a gift to our banking sector.His opus dei background makes him incorruptible.Ouko is a accountant...you need an eminent economist for such a post.

TayserMahri:
For your info, Kenya had a massive forum called Mashada as way back as 1998. I think back then you were still having coup d'etats. By the time you were creating Nairaland in 2005, and Jamii Forums in 2006 for Tz, Kenyans had forummed long enough to the extent of misusing fora with the kind of tribal vitriol I see on NL today. You're bragging about where we were over a decade ago. Ask the older Kenyans like Kikuyu1, RVP, MtuMsuper et al.

The first kenyan forum was rcbowen..founded by white kenyan born american Richard Bowen...it was active from 1992 till recently.Http protocol was not even standard when it started nor were there browsers.The likes of Makatiani and Ngweno students of MIT $ Harvard had kenyaNet forum and then founded Africa Online...one of Africa 1st ISP.They made huge fortune in 90s when they sold Africa Online that they had expanded in many countries to South Africa Telkom.Makatiani I think now runs his venture capital FANISI.Nigeria just woke up recently.Mashada was big before hate speech crackdown post 2008 tribal program.Nairaland would be shutdown in kenya for inflaming tribal hatred.Kobia shutdown mashada because like Nairaland it just mostly tribal hate.Then social media came and kenyans to debates there.I think Jamii was started by some TZ who use to post in kenya forum.

darfay:
I don't own it I know... But why can't Kenya do anything. Tz has jamii forum the biggest in East Africa and where unproductive Kenyans cause havoc and you are here on Nairaland as well constituting a nuisance


You are always insulting Nigeria and Nigerians using a Nigerian platform can't you see how weak you are

Kenya is behind in technology, you even jamii forums to discuss about Kenya

Zero creativity

Zero ingenuity

You can't build shillingland or Kenyan version of jamii forums but your pride is something. You end of constituting a nuisance to Nigerians and Tanzanians.. Maybe you are waiting for Indians to build it for you. Goel can get to work while he is here
Lazy Kenyans

Forums are so 90s.We had them before.Obviously hate speeches from your likes meant the big ones got shutdown.

kikuyu1:
I always knew from your extensive background check knowledge that you live in the real world. But really my guy,you prefer S Sudan to Tz??
I've never heard that before, srsly.

Ask other companies who have tried TZ.TZ is like Nigeria.Big promise but big disappointment.South Sudan you just have to deal with illiterate thugs.TZ are anti kenyans..if you attempt to drive there..youll be stopped every police check and harassed. Any business investing in TZ is setting himself for failure..magufuli is the worst..at least Kikwete like Mkapa was reasonable.The current one is no better than Amin.Avoid TZ however cheap...or deal with them at arm length..let them bring their maize or beans or timber or fruits across the border.Their gov specifically targets kenyans.They rather South Africans screw them.You see someone confiscating masai cows and burning chicken.I am pretty sure Nakumatt $ ARM met their death there.Avoid TZ like you avoid Nigeria.Unless youre in daredevil. Imagine MTN debacle in Nigeria or Acacia minning in TZ...the lazy idiots can wake up and slap you with 10b dollars fine.They see you as cashcow..a ticket out of their poverty.Imagine TZ slapped Acacia minning with 190b dollar bills as tax.This country that struggle to collect 6-10b dollars a years in tax.You see kazikazi here and he is possibly the smartest in that country of idiots..and yet he is probably the most idiotic person here .

theenchanter:
calm down, mr kikuyu1, there's nothing ur wise intelligent kenyan laid down here that can serve as whatever u want it. Most of all is blatantly false. How were u guys able to calculate naija's fake GDP?

Easy there are many 400b dollars economy that you can to use cross reference.If someone claim to be xyz then find similarly xyz.You can use South Africa $ Egypt to check if indeed you economy is overstated or not.GDP is basic maths.Quantity x prices then sum it up.

kikuyu1:
True, but many Ugandans ,Bagandas especially are quite self serving cynical mofos beneath the surface friendliness. IMO, its a specific subculture. I've been there a few times and observed.

True bugandas you generally want to avoid..they are conflicted.But for that and despite their numbers they may never rule uganda.Bugandas are like Nigeria igbos.

darfay:
Arm chair economist.. No one takes you serious.

But wait o from millionaire to working at United Nations. Guy stay one place na

I only worked for UN for 2yrs then formed a consultancy company working with un and others with 3 other ex- uners.Then quit that too after 7yrs.

Kazikazi:
Better you avoid TZ! With all those massive lies,the day you step in TZ you will land into the hands of prison warders.We don't waste time with crooks! Just ask barrick gold and Acadia mining!

i pass any tz transport job...road user is like 500 dollars...i know maize and beans are rockbottom...but the risk is too much..risk of being charged money laundering or other stupid tz rules...your police the most corrupt and idiotic.in fact in transport unless you get job to zambia or moz...transit jobs..onky tzs guys do their internal jobs.i rather deal with illiterate thugs like in south sudan than Tanzania.Most kenyans will eventual avoid TZ.

theenchanter:
alright.

Why do u stay in uganda, do u have a biz there?

I work as a software engineer, moonlight in transport with my trucks, have a maize n animal feeds milling in kenya and just got into fishing in lake victoria - uganda side.I spend my time shuffling btw kenya, uganda and Rwanda..with occasional travel to South Sudan $ Congo.I try avoid TZ.May try their beans from westernmost border kagera this year using my uganda credentials.I must hasten to say Ugandans are the most hospitable people you can hope to meet.

theenchanter:
nice, we nigerians are outspoken.

Whats d job of that muscular nigerian lady?

She was a boss..un level d..kofi annan was sec general...she headed kakuma refugee camp..mostly south sudanese refugeess.There were many west africans top dogs at UN.What helped them was their attitude.They would come dressed up in their africa robs and take the bazungu on.Maybe having koffi anan as the sec gen made the whites a little scared.

Kazikazi:
But corruption is the root of all. How can you fix Nairobi's issues without tackling corruption? You need to go to Rwanda to learn the basics! Just swallow ur Kenyan pride and learn from others

I am typing from uganda.i own property in rwanda.i have houses in nairobi but dont want to live there...horrible traffic jams and mostly dry taps.Remove those two impediments...and Nairobi is as good as London.

theenchanter:
so, a nigerian taught u mathemetics in d university, interesting.

He was wierd guy with lots of facial bruises like he had it rough growing up..but everyone passed so he was quite popular.He never talked about Nigeria.Somehow he figured if everyone passed nobody would bother him.Now that i remember he always came sweating...he had to walk across the university and he was to me just lije smillingnsuffering.The un lady suffered no fools and had long name to match her nigerian attitude.She was so masculine and outspoken even whites knew not mess her.They send her to arid turkana.

Kazikazi:
Ohoooooo

right..water and traffic jams need fixing to make nairobi a truly world class city

Ibrahimanis:
If you are ashamed then go pack your bags and Bleep off. Fucking cunt, you lowlife p*ssy, liar, God created you and lying on the same day, you keyboard warrior, Fucking ape, primitive ape for that matter. I've been here only a month but I can't count how many times I've caught you tripping, with your selective and bias analysis, how you always condescend others, with your air of pomposity that borders on stupidity, I have to restrain myself many times from tearing into your ass. How old are you again (37/47?) and you are a millionaire? (in shillings at least?) yet here you are, eating, drinking and even sh*tting on Nairaland. Better crawl out of whatever hellhole you live in and look for work, it's not by saying you are a millionaire on Nairaland.

Fucking arm chair economist.

I actually dont believe in gods or GOD.I have been a proud atheist for most life.Yes i earn money and invest wisely.I just dont suffer fools gladly.I was taught one maths unit by an eccentric nigerian at uon,at un i worked with nigeria muscular nigerian lady and must say nigerians i have met are good people albeit stupid...something is a miss.They are generally friendly and bubbly..but almost never serious.Zimbwabwean greatly impress me by their intellect and i know one day they will rise.i cannot say the same about Nigeria or TZ or DRC.

Actually they sold only 40 cars on 2017 after buying the 500b dollar a yr economy yemi kale imf sanctioned yarn.Now they think Rwanda with 15 times less population will buy more.The story is the same for multinationals scammed by nigerians to invest....incredible poverty with people eatings rats, snails $ monkeys...while engaging juju and whose only dream is to escape nigeria.