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Kenya has slums coz of strict zoning but Tz like Nigeria entire cities are unplanned slums.The reason they both are building Dodoma and Abuja to fix the mess in their cities

Jay254:
Some times I wonder why they say Kibera is the biggest slum in Africa? While all slums occupies less than 5% of Nairobi Land.

When I look at a City like Dar es saam 90% of it a slum by Kenyan standard.

Check aeriel pics of Dar below

SHOW ME A COUNTRY THAT HAS ENJOYED PEACE AND STABILITY AND HAS LARGE COAST LINE AND HAS HUGE ARABLE LAND AND SO MANY MINERALS AND BORDERS 8 or 10 countries and is as poor and backward as TZ.TZ is special case like Nigeria.If she was a person she would be mentally retar.ded.Nigeria would be a thug.

The giant mess of africa.

Kenya leads in financial inclusivity. Tanzania is former communist country that practised a disastrous policy called Ujamaa that made all TZ equally poor.

Annael:
Where is Kenya here:

I think you're confusing immigration of many Nigeria to those progressive nations with trade & finance. Yes Nigerian immigrants have to find jobs in informal trade - opening shops/hawking/ - but clearly that not what we mean by FORMAL TRADE & FINANCE. Nigeria export Oil and what else...again focus on FORMAL TRADE & FINANCE..not a poor Nigeria immigrants who go to Ghana and open a shop to eke a living.You cannot call that controlling 90% of West Africa trade when you're smuggling goods from Ghana.

Again POOOR NIGERIAN EDUCATION did you IN. Next you'll claim you control trade in Nairobi because you're hawking roasted maize in Nairobi slums.

Daejoyoung:
Nigeria controls 90% of trade in West Africa, so don't even mention Ghana, lvorycoast and Senegal on same sentence with Nigeria when it comes to trade and finance or even tech.

What will change the fortunes of Nigeria? You have 2% of world oil. If that hasn't changed Nigeria - pray tell me what else will - maybe you discover gazillion of gold bars hidden somewhere!

I mean nearly all countries that have been blessed with natural resources immediately turned the corner - and here I am lost for an example of a country that has Nigeria resource curse and trap--and I can't find any. At least Iraq can claim American war destroyed them.

Nigeria simply doesn't work. It very likely the country will split into small nations to make it viable.

naijalander:
Whatever helps you sleep tonight, nobody gives a flying Bleep what you think. Take it or leave it, hate it or love it, Nigeria remains King, if there will ever be a world power out of Africa, it will be Nigeria!

All the countries mentioned here depend on Nigeria consumers for survival you imp!

Here is where you poor education comes to bite you again. How does hosting WTO center(NGO to assist you in international trade) make you a financial or trade hub. This is not even legit WTO.

Daejoyoung:
From that list l posted above we have only Seven African Countries, with only Nigeria and South Africa having two major trade cities. So if Kenya is such a financial and diversified powerhouse according to gallivant, Taysermahiri, et al, then how come she is not even considered? l was expecting to see the much talked about Nairobi and Mombassa on this thread.
The list shows Senegal is a more recognized financial/trade hub in Africa at least, than any of those other countries ie Ghana and lvorycoast.

You can check many indices of progress for answers on that. They are indicators we use to know if people are progressing or not. Pick 10 indices that measure progressive nations...and see where those countries cluster...and where Nigeria cluster around.

Daejoyoung:
Senegal is a little bit progressive, but honestly l don't see what is so progressive about Ghana, lvorycoast or Kenya.

Ghana, Senegal, Cote'divore those are countries I can respect as progressive West African Nations in SSA. Nigeria, Niger & the rest are huge disasters.

In SSA obviously RSA, Botswana, Namibia,Angola,Rwanda, Zambia, Kenya, Ghana,Senegal & Ivory Coast are countries with lot of promise.

naijalander:
Ghana ko Ghana ni.

Please where Nigeria has been and is going, fackas ain't ready. You are all a bunch of backwater wannabe, Nigeria is the Giant of Africa and will forever be.

Suck it up!

Pure cowdung from Nigeria conman there Nigeria in any indices - clusters around it's northern neigbour Niger. Ghana is country that everyone recognize as being very progressive just like Kenya.

naijalander:
When the Kenyan haters try to talk too much, just remind them, they ain't sh*t

This comment killed me -couldn't agree more - I mean 2M barrels of Oil daily leave Nigeria and country is hell-hole like Niger or Chad
Trust Nigerians to do shoddy jobs, they are at the bottom of the black man caste.

Nigeria making a fine mess of themselves as usual. Why pretend to host games you cannot afford? Now althetes are being forced to share beds - many stuck in airport.

Team Kenya had a rough night in Lagos, Nigeria, on Monday as they had to share limited hotel rooms and beds, with at least three on each one.

Organisers of the 2018 Africa Senior Championships could not offer charter flights to take the Kenya, Uganda, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Burundi, Botswana and Cameroon teams to Asaba, the event venue.

The Ivory Coast team spent 36 hours at Murtala Muhammed International Airport in Ikeja before finding accommodation.

The event had been set for Lagos but the Local Organising Committee changed the venue to Asaba and with this came the responsibility of ferrying delegations.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/07/31/no-hotels-charter-flights-for-team-kenya-in-lagos_c1795266

We are on hair splitting now. Just know that developing countries are those with GDP per capita of 5,000 dollars and less. That mean Kenya, India, Nigeria & Ghana (Lower middle class ) & Tanzania (LDC). South Africa, Tunisia and China are proper middle class countries... They are all fruits..but we are talking apples & oranges. At 10,000 dollars then you start talking Upper Middle class countries . At 20,000 dollars per capita - you're talking highly developed countries....

And you don't even need to measure GDP to know which country is middle class or not -- these things manifest themselves- even somebody who has gone to bad schools in Nigeria like you can tell when they get to south africa - that it's a different kettle fish.

Today Nigeria can declare their GDP is 1 trillion dollars PPP (LOL) but go there and you'll know you're either in Niger or Chad or Somalia.

Daejoyoung:
More contradictions, if you cannot see the lrony in your post, then there's no basis for your pride in the Kenyan education, it is definitely poor. You keep making my point but you can't see it, and here you are disgracing yourself by bringing in lndia and China to the level of Tunisia and SA, like seriously?
lf l should even agree with you on that, doesn't that indicate to you that GDP itself has little to do with this progress you speak of?( lf Tunisia and SA are more progressive than lndia and China)but rather GDP per capita and HDI? or are you just plainly confused?

Cement & Steel consumption are some of the MOST RELIABLE indicator to cross-reference GDP in a DEVELOPING COUNTRY. In short you cannot cook GDP Nigeria style . Here Kikuyu is on solid money. If you want to compare cement or steel consumption btw developing please go ahead...Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania and Ghana..are developing countries (LDC or lower middle class). South Africa & Tunisia are middle classs countries...India & China are edging closer to them...that is hwy India steel consumption is at nearly 70..just about half South Africa.

And per-capita handles POPULATION - so quit being a crazy idiot.

Daejoyoung:
lf you are truly educated you'll see that your grandmaster Kikuyu goofed, when he linked up steel per capita to GDP. lf lndia is a developing country and by your arguement has way less infrastructure than SA, yet it has 7 times the GDP of SA, and is even the 4th largest economy in the world in terms of PPP, doesn't that suggest to you that GDP has little to do with these kind of developments than it has to do with factors such as population and material resources?
Why are you guys so worked up about Nigerian GDP? GDP doesn't really indicate progress, and has more to do with how big a nation is, such that almost every form of business in that country as a multiple effect when compared to smaller nations. So the total assets and values of goods and services are usually way higher, this is a different arguement from per capita which indicates development.
So Kikuyu, wipe your tears my friend and stop crying.

This thread is long because the likes of you just comment for the sake of it. If you disagree with Kikuyu - make your sound argument known here. Kenya education systems is fair game. There are enough studies to shows it's MILES ahead of Nigeria. But first tell us why your think Kikuyu argument on steel per capita is not sound.

obaaderemi:
The little Indian shot himself in the foot. He is disgracing Kenyan educational system. And the way he keeps on about Nigeria's GDP is hilarious. It's really giving him pain.

It actually indictment of your very bad Nigerian education that you are comparing apples with oranges.South Africa & Tunisia are middle class countries. India is a developing country. The indicators like cement or steel are relevant when you're comparing DEVELOPING COUNTRIES with huge deficit in stuff like housing, roads & etc. South Africa & Tunisia have already build all the infrastructure they need - so they are going to be spending less pouring cement or steel compared to say Kenya or Nigeria or India per capita.

Developed countries like South Africa & Tunisa DO NOT need to consume lot of cement or steel because largely investments in infrastructure and urbanisation have already taken place.

Just use that graph and see the trend. South Africa have large consumed the same amount of steel for last 30yrs - while india consumption per capita has risen from 20 to 70kgs per capita.
https://knoema.com/SSY2014/steel-statistical-yearbook-2017?tsId=1018290

Daejoyoung:
l don't know what school you attended in Kenya or what Economic textbook you read, but going by your logic Tunisia and South Africa has a better GDP than lndia because of their higher steel per capita hence lndia's GDP is fake. Note that lndia's GDP is 2.1 trillion dollars to South Africa's 300 Billion dollars. lndia 's GDP is 7 times that of SA, and going by your report SA had more than double steel per capita than lndia in 2005.
lt is either you are confused, or you simply don't know what per capita is, which means you are ignorant.
The latter seems to be the case here, but why do you keep disgracing yourself on this forum?
Give it up man. Kenya is too small to rub shoulders with Nigeria

You nailed them there. Yeah stuff like steel usage cannot be faked and real indicators in developing country.

kikuyu1:
Really,I should've come with this sooner,since its as crucial as cement/oil/sugar consumption in proving a nations economic level and can't be faked. Steel usage proves the national house/bridge/rail and infrastructure construction itself a valid growth indicator.

Kenya 36 kg per capita

Dangoteland 7 kg per capita


Tz 11 kg per capita

https://knoema.com/SSY2014/steel-statistical-yearbook-2017?tsId=1018290

Ghana 36 kg per capita

Look at the countries you think you're amongst! Btw,even pre recession you were a very low user barely nearing 15 kg proving my POINT YOUR GDP WAS WAYYYYY OVERBLOWN BY YOUR CBN COMEDIANS! Tbh,the idea is as funny as the sight of Uzuoha,your "under 19 goalie" with a 17 yr old son !I hope you now understand why we Kenyans are so determined to educate you on these realities.

India 63 kg

South Africa srsly slipped from a high of 135 kg in 2005 to 100 close of 2016,jln115,jayceon,ssaengine,WTF?

Tunisia 80 kg

M7 made huge blunder..he met his mate in Magufuli..two opinionated leaders who think they know everything while they know nothing.

To quote someone..tomyebei • 3 months ago
The trouble with Uganda Oil sector started when it abandoned Kenya route and chose Tanzanian route. Now with Total S.A holding major stakes in both Uganda and Kenya and being a lead investor in both portfolios, there is no way Total would invest in building two parallel pipelines all leading to Indian Ocean at relatively short span of distance between them. Pipeline construction is such an expensive undertaking and given the fact that Uganda pipeline would be the longest heated pipeline in the world, calls for due diligence by any prospective investor. I hate to predict that it will take a long time before this dream of pipeline would be achieved, unless government changes the route and join forces with Kenya then this realization would be realized sooner than later. The onus is on the government to critically think about the route of the pipeline. The government is basically engaging on the sideshows rather looking at the real issue of financing

In meantime Kenya is making progress.
- Early Oil export scheme is already on - heated trucks & refurbishing of the Kilindi Refinery (for storage).
- Pipeline cost is down to 1.1B dollars (without Uganda oil being factored - we don't need huge pipe) and it already being designed with construction set for next year.
- Lamu Deep sea port is being built...together with related infrastructure including airport & roads to Garisa to Isiolo to Turkana.
- LAPSET roads/airports/infrastructre are in-progress -along the same oil pipeline - Uganda and TZ would have to build a new "useless" road along the pipeline for construction and maintenance.
- We have upgraded the upstream pipeline to huge capacity.

kikuyu1:
Exactly my opinion! Once our oil is flowing it'll be difficult if not impossible to finance another project a scant few hundred kms away from another one-M7 has scored a MAJOR OWN GOAL! I've always said that Tutsi supremacist is wayyyyy overrated strategically:look at his DRC mass murders,attempted Kenya invasion late 80s,decision to break bank and but 7 brand new Su 30 jets (only 3 are flying!),and now this!

Here's what Mugabe told M7 to his face in Paris after he invaded the DRC:
http://umudendezo-news..com/2012/07/moment-mugabe-told-museveni-your.html

The longest heated pipeline has not yet began. This week I saw they are recruiting staff for Oil holding companies - including pipeline & refinery - museveni talk too much. Don't be suprised if kenya build it's oil pipeline faster than UG-TZ. They are yet to get financing for this (3.5B dollars) - so we are looking at construction starting maybe in 2020 - and perhaps completing in 3yrs in 2023 - or even worse. I see Uganda oil going "live" somewhere in 2025. Uganda made a strategic mistake here - it would have been cheaper and quicker to follow Lapset to Lamu port - and South Sudan would have started building another pipeline down south.

In meantime Kenya one (850kms) is expected to cost 1.1B dollars (small money considering Kenya Pipeline just completed 0.5B expansion of downstream pipeline from Mombasa to Nairobi) - and construction is expected late next year - so my money is on kenya's oil getting to Lamu way faster than Ug oil getting to Tanga port.

kikuyu1:
Btw,am searching for news on this Ug/Tz oil pipeline and can't find anything concrete. Has work even begun? The design was only chosen in January.

True - Magufuli is deluded when it comes to Railway. That huge investment that TZ with it's donor-funded budget can never afford. They need to focus on making TAZARA donated railways work. TZ are generally not smart folks - you see as a LDC - they are entitled to borrow at rock-bottom if any interest - and they should be enjoying that advantage before they hit the lower-middle-class - which they are set to do so soon. But because they want to compare themselves to Kenyans - they have gone for expensively self-funded & commercial loan for their SGR.

TayserMahiri:
Which electric train? You are still making attempts to procure equipment for your Utopian railway at this point in time. The other day one of your politicians dared the govt to provide even a picture of anything you have built. Keep getting fooled in your communist backwater. There is no rail and certainly its not electric. You cant afford an electric railway but your govt is breaking its back just so you can prove a point to Kenya. Most of your less fearful politicians know you are not building any railway because you cannot afford. Bloated ego is preventing your president from accepting reality. Your railway is a white elephant. It will remain in a permanent state of progress forever. And your citizens being the dullards they are wont dare to question what is going on.

Global 2000 in Africa.
The 16th annual Forbes Global 2000, which focuses on public listed firms, features companies from only three African countries – South Africa, Nigeria and Kenya, showing how long African-based firms still have to go to compete on the global corporate arena.

Only one company from East Africa, Safaricom, features in the list. The Kenyan telecoms firm is on position 1,817 and has a market value of $11.1 billion.

South Africa has 11 firms in the list, including two firms, South Africa, Standard bank Group and First Rand, in the top 500. While Standard bank is on position 376, First Rand is in position 470. Other South African firms in the list and their positions in brackets include Sasol (509), Naspers (531), Sanlam (702), MTN Group (1069), Shoprite Holdings (1325), MMI Holdings (1559), Remgro (1808) and RMB Holdings (1832).
[b]
Dangote Cement and Zenith Bank are the two companies in the list from [/b]Nigeria. While Dangote is in position 1652, Zenith Bank is in position 1962.

The reputation risk of being a Nigerian is akin to being a black man in western world. It tough being a Nigerian outside Nigeria. They really need to start fixing their reputation by fighting globalized Nigeria criminal network.

kikuyu1:
Here's a true story: almost a decade ago a Dangotelander retiring from the UN developed a small gated community with his generous pension guaranting a loan. Everything was top notch-location,finishing.design etc etc and everyone gushed admiringly but there few takers. Why? Nobody wanted to be associated with what they assumed the behaviour of Dangotelanders.
He realized the obvious sold out for a small loss and within a year the development was 90% occupied! My informant is someone with 3 decades in Nairobi real estate.

You're basically against everything including free movement of people & labour & trade. A small country like Rwanda do not fear kenyans - but here is biggest country in East Africa - in land size and population - being the MOST fearful and least ambitious. I mean I see now in Uganda you're trying to advertise Dar Port - but surely when your charge 500 dollars transit fee - who'll come there. You ran to SADC because you rather be South Africa biatches than Kenya..but EAC is still moving ahead..and btw Kenya & UG & Rwanda - we have arguably the most advanced union in Africa - with people moving freely without need of passport or work permit - and trade btw those countries is benefiting everyone. Look at Uganda - their milk & tea & sugar is finding easy market in Kenya - and they are industralizing without the dramas of TZs.

The only sectors working in TZ are 1) Mining - like Nigeria that the hand of god 2) Tourism - mainly from our insecurity due to Alshabab - outside those two sectors - you're very many years from getting to kenya.

You remain one of the most retrogressive country in East Africa and thankfully Ethiopia is turning the corner...and we will focus there..and entire Africa continent.

I am glad to hear about your winery - we have our own wine industry albeit smaller. But if you had embraced East Africa - your wine would be selling in Kenya - but as it is - nobody has heard of Dodoma wine - and yet Kenya consumer market for imported wine is second to Nigeria in SSA. See how your small mindness have dwarfed your growth.

Our own Yatta wines.
https://drinks-dvq6ncf.netdna-ssl.com//wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/COMPO_KWAL11-1024x5231-640x326.jpg

Kazikazi:
You talk too much.We are against a full blown political federation not businesses.actually the UK is our biggest investers( its in natural gas production) then followed by China and South africa and Canada( in mining). We are not lazy..just check our wine produce which is ranked second in africa just behind south africa.Is your country doing these?

About 100M Nigerian don't have a bank account. That should worry you.Why you still cannot hack mobile money while everyone in West Africa seem on it should worry you. Here is a kenya innovation that is helping bring banking to the unbanked. Also formal banking is on steroid because of agent banking.

You gov mismanaged mobile banking by restricting telcoms and letting banks lead it.

Daejoyoung:
53% of Nigerians is about 100 million people, which is more than double the entire population of Kenya.
Perhaps Nigeria should be compared with East Africa henceforth.

kenya leads sub-sahara africa in banking - 82% of kenyans hold bank accounts - according to WB's 2017 Global Findex Database. Kenya clearly on the race to universal banking access.

Kenya leads other Sub-Saharan Africa economies including South Africa (73 per cent); Gabon (64 per cent); Uganda (62 per cent); Ghana (60 per cent) and Nigeria (53 per cent).
https://globalfindex.worldbank.org/
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/datahub/Mobile-lifts-Kenya-account-holders-82-pc/3815418-4677292-11we2n5z/index.html

Your country is led by low-ambition myopic leadership. Kenya is already the second biggest trading country after Egypt in COMESA. And before you talk about small market of East Africa - we are already inching towards CFTA Africa Free Trade) - with Ghana & South Africa - we are moving ahead to start Free Trade & Movement in entire Africa. Already we allow any African in our country a 1-month free VISA - even the drug-dealing Nigerians.And really TZ will be nothing without Kenya companies investing there - for many decades Kenya has been your biggest source of FDI - and then after your hostility - South Africa replaced Kenyans.You're still ages from having a decent homegrown private sector - after disastrous years of communism & socialism.

As you continue with small-mindedness jealousy - our companies are investing in Congo, Zambia, Zim, South Africa, Ethiopia, Nigeria and soon enough the entire continent - of course plus South Sudan, Rwanda, Uganda and even the lazy Tanzania.

Equity Bank Congo. Equity Bank Congo (EBC), formerly ProCredit Bank DRCongo, is a commercial bank in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. As of May 2015, it was the seventh largest commercial bank in the country, with assets exceeding US$200 million and shareholders' equity of US$25 million.

Kazikazi:
Yeees.We dont want that thing called a full blown federation.We dont want their thieving nature, their tribalism is too much to even consider associating with them.Thats why we refused to join the EAC common visa.Let them join Somalia or South Sudan not us.

All system go for Nairobi-Newyork flight - with JKIA being ranked one of best airports
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/wednesday/thumb_its_all_systems_g5b589a37d43c7.jpg
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001289465/it-s-all-systems-go-as-kq-gears-for-direct-flights-to-america

Railway update from Kenya - SGR is now on the 8th cargo train & 4 passenger from Nairobi to Mombasa daily - merely 7 months since it began commercial operation. Ships that use to take 12 days are now taking 1 day. Cargo that use to take weeks in Mombasa are now getting to Nairobi in matters of hours.

And Railway development continue to sneak it's way to Kampala, Uganda, en-route to Kigali, Rwanda.
SGR along Nairobi National Park
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/849/41799223720_31151e766f_b.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/932/41799229060_8f76e649cc_b.jpg
Africa longest tunnel - 5km tunnel across the Great Rift Valley just had a breakthrough
https://i.imgur.com/MAV8DX3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cFEu2Vu.jpg.

TZ are so of the very small minded people I know of. No wonder their country is such a cesspool despite enjoying peace & zero tribalism.

kikuyu1:
HAIYYYAA!? Not that I doubted you but its true!


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/ea/Serengeti-fire-sparks-claims-of-sabotage/4552908-4672762-j5yr3u/index.html

They don't mind us riding their women and now want to kill tourism-actually,if the migration dies it'll force us to innovate:flower exports,golf tourism etc etc. This particular form of tourism indirectly causes social and macro economic distortions.

Kshs weakened against the dollar - least from those internal issues - but mostly external - USD was strengthening against basically all currency - and looking at Africa - Kshs weaken the least and has been very strong. This was about 2yrs or so ago when IMF had to give us 2B dollars standby facility to defend Kshs.
Obviously it been the intention of Kenya to devalue Kshs and try spur the export - so I think 100shs to a dollar is what CBK & Treasury wants and would be happy to maintain.

Right now there is a lot of dollars flowing in esp from remittance + money stashed abroad + foreign investors + capital inflows - I think at some point our forex were approaching 10B dollars- about six months of import bill.Looking ahead there are fx risks when we starting repaying debts - sgr and other next year or two -

But generally I think our gov is happy to keep dollar at 100 - to try and spur exports.

kikuyu1:
Tell me,rvp2018,the possible strengthening of the kshs. In '13 it was comfortable 88-90 to the usd. The Westgate happened causing an immediate 100bn kshs hole due to the enormous economic ecology of the mall and its the thousands of suppliers,retailers,wholesalers and their dependents. Barely a year later Lamu happened and within months the combined attacks lowered tourist receipts so badly hoteliers practically gave away their establishments and IIRC this is when the kshs reached a 100.
Question:if things continue and the Anglo Zionists desist with their false flags where do you see the ksh reaching? A high of 90 or 95 with its attendant effects on lowered import costs, loan and balance of payments? Pls elaborate,kidogo tu,ni weekend!

At least you're waking up from deep slumber. TZ & UG have also started their national carriers.

nwoke39:
rvp2017 rvp2018 Just30 Just31 emeka1101
Nigeria has just launched its national carrier name and logo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfyarY5P0I