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Evidence of over-cooked GDP

Data from the last comprehensive household
survey (NHLSS) in 2009/2010 indicated that
the official poverty rate3
remained stubbornly
high at 46% of the population (adult
equivalent approach)4
, or 62% in strictly
per capita terms. This indicates only a slight
decline from 48% and 64%, respectively,
that were recorded from the NHLSS in
2003/2004. These poverty numbers raise two
major economic questions. Firstly, why has
the rapid economic growth in Nigeria not
generated greater poverty reduction? Second,
how could an economy of the size and wealth
of Nigeria have such high poverty rates?
The country’s performance is at odds with
the general international trend of poverty
reduction, in particular in other countries
experiencing rapid economic growth like
Nigeria[b][/b]

Actually it worse than I thought - IMF told Yemi Kale to give them some few months to validate his numbers - but Nigeria gov - went ahead to announce those crazy figures - that claims Nigeria Agricluture is comparable to Brazil - and not far from US, CHina .

In short Nigeria figures are over-cooked - and it's going to be hard to justify those figures going forward. Nigeria indeed has 520B economy (1 trilion in PPP) only in Yemi Kale.

Nigeria didn't hold census for lack of funds mostly.

Daejoyoung:
Lol so what you are saying is that basically lMF wants to work with Yemi Kale to correct the erroneous data but the guy is just so stubborn or he's been a bad student, and so the lMF had no choice but to post all of his errors on their website for the world to use as a reference. lf that is your point, then l give up on this weird logic.
The last l heard was that the Jonathan Government failed to conduct census then due to Boko Haram insurgency, l never knew it was due to lack of capital. But then you are the all knowing on Nigerian affairs.
The Kenyan based Honourable Minister of Information for Nigeria.

Kale was apprehensive before announcing the new GDP numbers in 2014. He had already had to delay the publication of the figures, which were anticipated since 2010.

"I was embarrassed six times," he explains. But when he saw the size of the change he wanted to sit down and double-check all the numbers himself.

"We were afraid that the numbers would be politicised," says Kale. He feared suggestions they had been cooked up to give the sitting politicians an artificial boost.

Contrary to what some have claimed, the NBS does not need a formal endorsement from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank to issue new numbers.

Kale anticipated that an informal approval from such institutions was necessary nevertheless. "I understood the geopolitical significance.

We invited the African Development Bank, the World Bank, even economics professors in Nigeria, so that they could all see the numbers.

The IMF wanted us to wait until the summer to announce so that their technical consultant could have a final look, but [finance minister] Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala asked whether we were ready. And we said: 'Yes, we are ready,' and so we released the new numbers. It was important to get them out early before it got politicised because of the [oncoming] electi

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So basically you've no evidence of IMF auditing GDPs of any country. Yes IMF do offer technical assistance to Yemi Kales of this world but ultimately if Gov want to cook their stats - and they are many that do this - there is nothing IMF can do about it. They'll just post the figures - and play around with PP (international price comparison).

Just for example tell us how you can count outputs of economic activities - when you cannot count people in census . I mean what sort of baseline data do you use to measure or track your GDP when basic stuff like stats like census are cooked or never held (for lack of funds).A giant 400B has been unable to hold census due to lack of funds. Kenya a small country - will be spending 200M dollars to count it people next year - like it's done ever 10yrs since 1940s! without fail.

Daejoyoung:
You think about it, if the lMF doesn't carry out their own auditing as well, and you believe they post questionable/ doubtful figures from nations of the world ( for which they can't guarantee the accuracy) then why does the world take their economic projections( based on these gdp figures) seriously? everything becomes meaningless and we have no sure data to project anything. Your cement, beer, and milk consumption PER CAPITA as indices makes no sense. Most countries have been improving on their data collection and this is not so much a problem for the lMF as you think. They have branches all over that work with every nation when they should.

Show us evidence of IMF audit GDP figures of any country.

Daejoyoung:
Your measurement with per capita when discussing GDP shows your economic illiteracy.You like your friend rvp2018 who tells us lMF is like a useless Wikepedia ( without their own auditing) are economic illiterates, you guys only keep disgracing yourselves here.

There is nothing unique ab out Nigeria - it has huge informal economy that produce very little(as you would expect) like many other Africa economies - Nigeria is just like Tanzania or DRC minus the Oil - the only difference is pop. South Africa is indeed an advanced economy with solid 320B economy.

I have read all your rambling - and they don't make sense. Breakdown Nigeria economy - sector by sector - and demonstrate to us where this 400B (at it apex 520B) is?

Start with giant - Agricluture - worth 20% of your economy - which is officially - 80B dollars - about the size of Brazil Agricluture GDP - you can pull the national accounts from Yemi Kale website and demonstrate to us - how this biggest food importer (no 1 in wheat & rice imports) - with just few million acres of land cultivated exclusively on hoes - has the same GDP as Brazil's well reputed agriculture.

Nigeria GDP is not cooked. It's over-cooked.

Yandl:
Half of the Nigerian economy is informal in nature with 37 million micro businesses. Common sense if u had one would have told you South Africa has more revenues because their economy isn’t as informal.in just one year aggressive tax reforms have already added 15 mn into the tax net. Your analysis smacks of ignorance and hate which is clouding your common sense. And you keep mentioning the stats mans name. I’m really suspecting he stole your girlfriend.sounds very personal and illogical

Beside history is no recourse or excuse - you got a problem - deal with it. It doesn't matter how it came about - that is a historical fact - but as of now - as of today - you've got a debilitating caste system that prevent millions of indians from social mobility.

TayserMahiri:
Some nice points but on the religion part, dont get delirious. In the western world they long lost their traditional religions and picked up religions from the middle east, a region they lord and that is quite the shithole. Religion alone cant take you far today. Innovation will.

You sound revisionist! Your religion (Hinduism) is the actual basis for the dehumanising caste system. Otherwise if it was forced, why then are you so notorious for it even more than the Muslims? Muslims are not known for caste, other than the mistreatment of women.

Just in case you didnt know, some of the things that appear gross today used to be the epitome of brainpower achievement centuries ago. Because they made a lot of practical sense in the circumstances. Dont think even for a moment that Indians with their smarties couldnt come up with a caste system. The same brains that came up with amazing Indian mathematics could be (mis)used especially with the intervention of religion to come up with the caste system. In Hinduism religion there are 4 bloody Castes! There is of course the matter of Aryans invading from the north and reinforcing the caste system. But dont try to cleanse yourself from this mess. Indians are squarely responsible for it especially given the way you reinforced it after independence. Like Rwanda and Burundi, colonists only exploited the already existent Caste system for ease of management. That does not exonerate these societies from their heartless systems of lore.

You're implying there are creditors or lenders out there hawking huge loans that you're rejecting? or rather the more accurate description being you're so afraid of debt - you can't even take 1% of your supposed GDP in debt. 1% being 4-5B dollars. PRAY TELL US HOW YOU WILL DEVELOP WITHOUT DEBT. Nigeria GDP is indeed oil - and we can measure oil - 2M barrels per day * price of oil *365 days - outside that - we can use TZ or DRC figures - and weight it by population. Basically oil GDP is around 50-60B + TZ (50B)* 3 - roughly your GDP is about 200B! or we can use DRC congo (about 35 * 2.3=90+50=150B) - if you check nearly any index - you cluster around DRC or Tanzania - save for Oil production.

Daejoyoung:
That's what I'm saying, we depend more on oil for revenue, that's why it is foolish to measure the GDP based on our revenue alone.
And yes you are right, we fear we have no ability to repay because our revenue seems limited to oil and is not much, we also fear moreso for our high level of corruption which may see the loans diverted without tangible infrastructure.
However this is different from your arguement that the world bodies are afraid of giving us heavy loans( rather than that we are scared of requesting for heavy loans).
lt is this part of your arguement, l and Obi Kenobi 1 have asked you to substantiate several times with proof, but you have failed to do so.

It nothing to do with pride. It everything to do with ability to repay. Nigeria had big debt crisis in 80s and 90s - when Oil prices crushed and certainly they were unable to repay.Most of that debt had to be repay. That is what inform their fear of loans. Right now you basically have no taxes or revenues to repay any serious loans - you can only bet on the oil prices going up - or you going burst.

Daejoyoung:
Nah, we don't borrow much because it's one of the things Nigerians generally detest in a Government.
Nigerians are generally proud and conservative when it comes to borrowing, and the presidency is usually careful. Nigerians believe we have the resources and the money and do not need to borrow, and that Government borrows because it's corrupt.
This for instance is the current outcry against Buhari, we are more conservative than you Kenyans or Ghanians ( Who recently indicated interest in floating a 50 Billion dollars bond) when it comes to things like these.

l have listed reasons in my previous post while the Nigerian federal budget is 20Billion dollars.

I have seen the loans offers you get - very similar to kenya - and you always struggle to pay. It's not rocket science. You have as much reveunue as kenya - and therefore you can only borrow as much. You cannot be approved for 200-250B - about 50% of you GDP - as is the rule of the thumb- because you've no chance in hell of repaying it. So with 70B debt - you're already in a big hole - because you real GDP is around 150-200B.

Daejoyoung:
Can you provide evidence anywhere that Nigeria was ever denied huge lending sums or loans by the World Bank or lMF? lf you can't then you're just stating rvp facts from your arse again.

That rich coming from you. Whatever Yemi Kale throws to Imf/WB - that is what they'll take - can only massage the price numbers or advice on weighting - but as a rule - whatever Nigeria tell the world - is their GDP - it will be taken at it highest. But there are things you can't fake. So obviously if you ran to WB or IMF - the same IMF that accept you economy is 500B - cannot even lend you 10B - they lend you as much as Kenya .South Africa whose GDP is credible has debt of nearly 180B - Kenya has debt of around 50b - with GDP of 85-88B. Nigeria has 70B debt - and struggle to pay. Look at the gov revenues...520B economy - can only generate 20B '. A real GDP like South Africa generates revenues more than 100B. Kenya has revenues 20B.

In short you're free to fake it; call yourself the biggest economy; but besides the momentarily bragging right brought down by realization that Nigeria replaced India as poverty capital; it won't help you.

What is important for Nigeria is to find it's real bottom. To know the kind of hole they are in. If they deluded themselves they are big economy - they will not hold themselves or their politician to account.

Daejoyoung:
Well l think you have discovered something special and new here, maybe you should send your findings to the relevant bodies that matter, l was listening to a news channel recently and they still referred to Nigeria as the largest economy in Africa. Like l said, you make the lMF useless, because any nation could claim anything and it becomes official, which unfortunately for your case is not so. l also checked all relevant websites and this is what l got from one of them, this website even claims Nigeria has a poverty level a little bit above 30% ( which l believe is the truth), but l believe we are around 320 Billion dollars and no longer 400 Billion dollars.



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WORLD FACTS
The Biggest Economies in Africa
Nigeria is home to the biggest African economy.

The Biggest Economies in Africa
The countries of Africa have shown great economic growth.
The GDP is a measure of a value of total output within a given year. The output is based on goods and services. In 2017, the Gross World Product is estimated at $77.99 trillion while PPP was $126.69 trillion. The world’s GDP is calculated in two ways, the nominal value and based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP). In Nominal GDP value, the current market exchange rates are used in calculation while PPP is calculated taking into consideration the market value of an item to be the same in both currencies. The purchasing power of each currency is then determined. US leads in the world’s GDP, followed by China, though most of the African countries are still developing, a few of the African countries have done well in the global map.

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My 2 cents on India.India has always been a great nation hampered by amongst other issues - it's caste systems. It top elite has always been up there with other global elites - but the age-old caste systems designed to permanently keep huge percentage of it's people as untouchable is one of the changes they really need to make - so all Indians can progressively move forward. They are trying to make changes - including affirmative action - but toppling the hindu quasi-gov system for a real democracy will unleash India's potential.

obaaderemi:
India has done marvelously well for itself. I can't really say what the secret is but I think a lot depends on advancement in education of the masses.And again, many may not agree with this,India has been an industrial giant for many decades. I read the story of a British industrialist who mocked Tata steel when it started in 1902 or something. The Briton said he could roll up all the steel produced by Tata and swallow it. Many would have given up at that stage but not the Indian. Today,Lakshmi Mittal is the number one steel magnate in the world,swallowing many European steel companies on the way.The Chinese today are India's greatest rivals and India seems to be faring poorly against China.I used to think the difference was in the system of government. I didn't know India opened up much later than China. There should be a lesson in all of this for my country Nigeria. If India could be pulling itself out of poverty at the rate it is,why not Nigeria We've got bright people too.
And the only Indian products in Nigeria I know are Ranbaxxy and Tata.Tata has been here for forever. You can even find relics of their trucks in villages. And Infosys has been popular for years.My grandpa had this very hefty pair of sandals with tyre soles.It had "Made in India" etched into it.

Obi1, Obaboon, Daeyung,

Let me restate again for you benefit so few salient points.

1) IMF/WB/CIA name them - do not measure GDP of a country - any country - they take whatever is thrown at them by National Stats bodies.
2) When Nigeria told everyone before 2014 re-basing their economy was 270B - IMF or WB didn't go round to calculate their own "more" accurate GDP.
3) Nigeria re-based their GDP by 90% to 520B - 90% increase - while most analyst expected something close to 50%. IMF or WB cannot object or put their figures. Obviously you guys are so embarrased by that 520B (nearly twice South Africa GDP - you are okay with 300B (or pre-rebasing GDP).
4) There are many ways to cross-reference a GDP. There are variables that have been identified that by economic researches that strongly correlated with GDP.
5) Following on 4 - Cement consumption per annum Strongly CORRELATE with GDP IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES. Regression analysis have been done and save for 1 or 2 outliers - there is a strong correlation btw cement consumption & GDP. If we do not trust Nigeria number - all we need to look at cement consumption of countries at similar level of development with Nigeria - and use it to determine it's real GDP.
6) Based on my own calculation - Nigeria GDP is around 150-200B - I'd take 180B!

Nigeria has forex issues..that you know.It has black market for forex because you central bank and treasury doesnt have good handle on macro ecomics.Stop boasting about forex reserves when you cant float naira freely like we do kshs.You forex will go up and dow depending on oil market.Not Buhari.Not Jonathan

Obi1kenobi:
Because Nigerians hawk everything from water to puppies to dressing mirrors on the streets. If they could lift cars, they'd hawk it. Any vehicle traffic spot in Nigeria is a market.

While kenya pursued africa socialism best exemplified by national motto harambee which mean lets pull together in cooperation ...Tz decided to go communism..all are equal in brotherhood and now they export beggars. KENYA COOPERATIVE MOVEMENT is africa best and is truly the first attempt to define africa socialism.

Why would you buy forex on the street..blackmarket..clear sign you need to fix your forex issues.Youre like 1990.Let naira float freely like kshs.You cant and like tz to take out dollars you need an essay.You guys are like 30yrs from where we are .why would someone hawk dollars...unless there was shortage and fixed exchange rate.That is kenya in 80s.Shameful.

HOW ?PLEASE KENYA AGRI IS ON THE BACK OF OUR SMALL HOLDER FARMING.KENYA IS UNIQUE.How is that possible..our cooperative model is africa best by a wide margin and 7th best worlwide.We dont need communisn to cooperate and pull together.our national motto harambee is call to work together.Show me more cooperative and united people without being forced and you have kenyans.Study our succesfully cooperatives and saccos..the backbone of our hardworking and progressive people.Kenya invest in chamas.groups.table banking..microfinance.Watch as Cooperative Bank of Kenya rise to the top

Kazikazi:
doant.just imagine how they starve while their most fertile land in rift valley is owned by few black elites and white settlers.the masses are landless.to make matters worse..the settlers plant tea; coffee and pyrethrum, sell it to europe,bank their money mostly in UK,then these kiberans who are in this forum are joyfully celebrating! A mob of fools!

YOURE ONE FEW REASONABLE AND INTELLIGENT NAIJAS HERE SO tell me how 47b forex is helping when to buy forex in nigeria is akin to kenya 40yrs ago..you basically need to bring your grandmother along coz forex shortage.In kenya you can buy any forex any day without any explanation.You can go and burn them if it please you.Forex reserve 8s non issues coz there is confidence they will flow in and out.Secondly nigeria can only borrow or be lent as much as its able to repay..which is a bet on oil prices..nigeria cant take loan neither can the lenders lend..unless they play russian roullette with oil.cooked gdp

Obi1kenobi:
gain, you're not saying anything I was arguing against about Forex. Nobody has claimed it was a "savings account" anywhere.

You're shifting your position from claiming nobody would lend us money to saying we're afraid of debt. I wouldn't argue with the latter case. I argued with the former which had no grounds for the claim.

Forex are owned by central bankers..and they are used for defending your currency and for international trade settlements.They are current account.They can be wiped out overnight.Dont confuse it with sovereign savings held by likes of Saudis,Nowergians and Chinese.Those are savings accounts.That is wealth..or money in the bank that you can leverage.Talk of your puny debt..i checked..you gov owes 70b..we owe 50b..see nobody can lend to Nigeria anything serious.See what can of debt 300b economy like South Africa or Egypt can leverage.Youre are afraid of debt because if oil drops or crash..you economy will similarly crash

Obi1kenobi:
I know what they are used for. And they can be used to shore up potential creditor confidence when you have substantial debts. The point was that there isn't any evidence at all that we are less capable of accessing loans. There are no grounds for the claim about IMF. We are not struggling with any Eurobonds. Either provide the source of these claims or stop claiming them.

300b is south africa and egypt level.Algeria with abt your oil and gas is around 200b.I put nigeria gdp around there..depending on oil prices...a low of 150b..is more probable.You just need to look at nigeria national accounts to see how unreleastic the gdp.Gdp that generates gov revenues equal to kenya..gdp without as much debt leverage..youre crying debt of 2 or 3b that babu had given you..WB are still offering your peanutd coz your gdp is peanuts.A country like south africa can easily borrow 150 b dollars.Nigeria has no debt issues..no sane person can lend it anything serious..am talking 50b dollar in one transaction..poor kenya has accumulated 50b dollars debt..because we can repay..we can leverage our credible gdp.Nigeria with officially 400b gdp are issuing 1.5b eurobond..what kind of nonsense is that..its not even 1% of your gdp.At minimum ypu should be able to leverage to as much as 200b dollars and still remain healty at 50% gdp to debt ratio...but you gdp is crap..your tax revenue non existent..private sector puny..and someone has to basically bet on your oil revenues.

Please try understand what forex reserve is and what they are meant for.Those are mainly for trade aka import cover and defending the naira.You can only borrow more than kenya if have more revenue than us..those revenue you use to repay debt.Nigeria can only borrow when oil prices are predictably high.Kenya can borrow any day.Nigeria has struggle with 1.5b eurobonds..we are 4b eurobond..china 10b..adb..wb..imf..our revenues equal to n8geria are reliable

Obi1kenobi:
Every round of Eurobond Nigeria has floated has been oversubscribed several times over and we've never had problems accessing loans with the World Bank/IMF. We've had this argument before and I'm not sure why you've kept repeating it even though it should be clear to you by now there is no accuracy to it. Our comparatively low debt level is a measure of fiscal conservatism and has absolutely nothing to do with inability to access these credits. We have $47b in foreign reserves compared to $8b from Kenya, and you're trying to tell me you have more access to international credit than we do? This particular administration though has already added more to our national debt than PDP did in 16 years. Since Obasanjo's Presidency, we had run a tight ship in managing national debt.
This is not arguing about the accuracy or otherwise of our GDP. I'm inclined to believe a couple of sectors, especially agriculture and telecoms, have inflated data, and more realistically our GDP might be somewhere a little above $300b, rather than close to $500b. But you don't have to get all fanatical with inaccuracies to prove the point.

And there is nothing "low-dollar" about those crops. If we are not making enough money from it, it's because we're not producing enough, not because they are "low dollar" crops. A tuber of yam is actually pretty expensive, and oil palm was Nigeria's biggest forex earner before the crude boom, and countries like Malaysia and Indonesia still make a killing from oil palm. Dismissing crops claiming "no middle class in Kenya eats it" is pretty childish. Apart from the fact that these are usually processed into a host of consumer products rather than directly consumed as food (except yam which is a delicacy round the world), what Kenya eats is hardly a gauge of the value of a crop.

That is precisely what IMF does - if they doubt the data - all they can do is put ****. You can fake your GDP but try go to IMF or WB for loan - Kenya get more loans from WB/IMF/Eurobond/China than Nigeria - because our GDP is solid.

Look at your argicluture - almost exclusively tradinationl low dollar crops - sorghum, millet, yams, cassava, palm oil - and you want to tell all those crappy food - no middle class in kenya can be found eating - makes you 6th wonder of agricluture - that imports powder milk & tomato paste

Common sense. If Nigeria data was credible - why are you now HQ of POVERTY?

Daejoyoung:
You are wasting your time with that rvp2018 guy, because when he can't give a rebuttal, he would scream fake as usual, and tell us the lMF or FAO accepts any data given to them, such that even if Yemen claims to have the biggest economy in the world, this automatically becomes an absolute fact on the IMF website for all to use as a reference. The Kenyan School of Economics is so so special.

We've been through your dodgy data several times.
Only 20% of Kenya is arable. 40% of Nigeria is arable. Nigeria is twice as big as kenya. So basically you've 4 times more land - and should have 4 times more output - but you don't.

We beat you in more than 20 crops -- off my head
1) Irish Potato - 5th in Africa.
2) Milk - 1st in Africa
3) Wheat - we beat Nigeria(zero)
4) Barley - we beat Nigeria(zero)
5) Avacados - 1st in Africa & top 5 world wide (*)
6) Tea - 1st in world in export and 3rd in production
7) Macademia nuts - 3rd world wide.
French Beans - 1st in Africa
9) Flowers - 1st in Africa & 3rd worldwide in exports
10) Coffee - we beat nigeria.
11) Pyrethrum - 1st in World
12) Sugar production - we beat Nigeria
13) Sisal - 3rd worldwide
14) Fresh produce-fresh produce, such as cabbages, onions and mangoes - 3rd in world in exports.
15) Soya beans - we beat Nigeria.
16-20) I am pretty sure we beat you in many other livestock products.

You can only beat kenya is low-class food like yams, cassava,sorghum, millet and I don't what - some of stuff no kenyan will be found eating

Danielnino00:
Other agricultural commodities that Nigeria is among the top 20 producers as per FAO data of 2016

* Cocoa - 5th
* Onion - 20th
* coconut - 18th


Agriculture accounts for about 20% of Nigeria's GDP.. that's roughly $80bn.
Still.larger than the economy of little India

Why the poverty? You see Nigeria data is all faked. Tell me for example if you do not export anything of those - how do you count what is planted and internally consumed. FAO & IMF - will just take whatever Yemi Kale's CBN throws at them. You minister of agricluture when asked about rice production - quoted Indexmulli or CIA - yet he is suppose to be the source of data.

Of course we can talk about Kenya SOLID CREDIBLE FIGURES any day any time. But Nigeria data is as fake as anything made in Nigeria.

Kenya obviously is mostly semi-arid but we still produce enough food - for local consumption and export - and we have very small deficit in certain crops.We produces lots of Maize and Irish Potatos - our two most important food crops - we produce lots of milk - lots of meat - name it.

Danielnino00:
I asked for d figures not mere babbling..
drop the figure of ur agricultural production per crop.. You are talking about tea, flowers and avocado .. Are those the food crop needed to save Kenyans who are dying of starvation? Of what importance are those crops to the average Kenyan??
Drop ur production figure for food crop that ur people consume.. What's the essence of having a good agricultural industry that can't feed ur population...

Nigeria's agricultural industry may not b among the most advanced in Africa but it'd arguably the largest...
We are world top.producers of Cassava and yam. 5th largest producer of millet, 2nd largest producer of sorghum behind the US 2nd largest producer of ginger, sweet potato ,nuts and okra... Those are crops that of huge benefits to the citizens not some tea and flowers..

Before u scream cooked figures as usual, the data are recorded on the FAO website...

Of Europe.You pathetic education shines

Kazikazi:
You are dreaming! Were did u got that 40%? Whom are u trying to cheat? Now look this

Yeah you produce lots of beans mainly from kagera region but what dollar value of your beans

BIG LIE.You are no where in wine production in Africa or world.Having one wine farm or flower farm is not enough.Youre as dense as a typical tanzanian

Kazikazi:
From the vineyards of Tanzania..this is the second biggest winery industry in africa

There is nothing you're miles ahead of kenya except Minning. Having 2 or 3 farms here and there is not what we are talking about. We are talking industry that controls 40% of European market. Sisal, Seaweed and Gloves...like really...who cares about those stuff.

Kazikazi:
You cant compare Tanzania's agriculture with a your nation.Tanzania is miles ahead.remember all powerful nations they feed themselves! Tanzania grows allmost everything.FYI our wine industry is just the second biggest in africa just behind south africa.We are top producer of sisal in africa.we are top in seaweed cultivation in africa.second in cloves.we are top in beans production.remember your people are starving for a lack of food! our holticulture is growing rapidly.should I mention organic honey? Cashew nuts? Rice?

They can't. Only those who have been fortunate to see real agricluture like SufferNSmilling understand what we are talking about. Nakuru airport is tough with flamingo birds. The idea was shelved. I think if put around Mai Mahiu-Narok-Naivasha - with Dry Port & Geothermal & Upcoming Industrial zone - it would make more sense that way.

kikuyu1:
Can people with a hoe powered agriculture sector magically bigger than Brazil understand the concept of a cold chain? From farm,transport,airport to final consumer it must be max 5 degrees. I wonder if the Nakuru airport idea will still go through? Counties wanted to revive the rail and use it as a new exit point apart from JKIA but imo,the gov wants to scale down borrowing. Do you have any info on this project?

As lazy and unimaginative Tanzania grow maize and beans (just like Nigeria's cassava,yams & millet - which we buy for so cheap - Kenya is known for producing the best quality French Beans out there - that we export to Europe & earns us lot more than useless TZ beans.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BWY8KW/kenyan-baby-corn-tenderstem-broccoli-fine-green-beans-garden-peas-BWY8KW.jpg

Our avacodos are attracting the same attention - and we just overtook South Africa in Africa - and are hot on the heels of South America countries like Peru
https://www.freshplaza.com/2012/1113/avo1.jpg

Macademia - we overtook US - and we are now 3rd biggest producer of Macademi world wide
https://www.industrysourcing.com/sites/default/files/10-11-bc-out-of-africa-cashew-macadamia.jpg

Thanks to Kenya's world-class horticulture (worth 3B dollars - with exports nearing 1.5B dollars) - the flower garden of Europe (and soon Americ)- JKIA is one of Africa leading cargo airport - with capacity to handle 1M tonnes of exports - of mainly fresh flowers and vegetables to Europe
[img]https://salokidogo.files./2015/01/flower-farms-in-kenya.jpg[/img]
https://infotradekenya.go.ke/media/KQ%20Cargo%20plane.jpg
https://topfarmer.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/kenyas.jpg
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/administrator/assets/uploads/KQ-cargo.jpg
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/administrator/assets/uploads/Air-France-KLM-Martinair-Cargo-transports-3000-tonnes.jpg
JKIA has many cargo centers to process flowers and vegetable direct to Europe
https://www.transglobal.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/TCC_0347-Copy-1024x567.jpg

Nairobi JKIA receives the final nod to commence direct flights to USA.Huge milestone in our air transport.