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Ask anybody to show you completely unoccupied rental in Nairobi. You think because we dont pay 2yr rent in advance and wait for months to get a house - that there is oversupply As soon as rental is done - it get filled up in 2-3 months. Of course because we build apartments there is far greater supply than in Accra or Lagos - and also urbanization rate is still low.

These current people living in slums and slumscrapper dont stay there for free. They still pay rent. yes that segment will not afford to pay 80USD because their current rent is 10USD. That is part that will be dealt by providing them free housing under slum upgrading program...slums are in very prime area. A developer can afford to give them free houses and build vertically - generating far more units.

But that is small component - the majority of Nairobeans living in Eastland paying rent of 80usd to 200usd - can afford these houses - converting their rent to mortagage - and all benefits of a home owner.

As for Ghana - where do we even begin - maybe having centralized sewage system - because frankly apartment cannot work with soakpits and cesspool.

A single plot of land can squeze upto 20 units - and be occupied by 100 people. Now imagine all that waste water and solid waste....which cesspool will handle that? It will fill up every 3 days.

Just40:
who said there's over supply in Kenya?
I said what is being built, Kenyans can't afford it so they remain empty...
Get the difference.

If they were affordable for Kenyans, they won't remain largely unoccupied .... It's because Kenyans can't afford it, that is why they are 90% plus unoccupied.


The slums took over because people lives were not being touched by tea farms owned by corporations paying them peanuts .... And they will keep getting bigger with more and more people ending up in slums around Kenya until people economic conditions are improved..
Else quality, beautiful and great homes will be something of an illusion for Kenyans.

1) Start here - https://kmrc.co.ke/ -

2) Show me evidence there is oversupply in Nairobi. In fact there is huge backlog of deficit. We are building more and more. This is not Ghana or Nigeria where you squeeze 10 people in corner of main house. Or live with relatives from the villages.

3) Secondly that is tired line. These house are affordable - meaning they will cost whatever it's currently costing them. There is no need for their income to increase - because we selling the house at current rent - except they eventually own it.

Africa is not developing because half-witted polemics like - housing is an income problem

People deserves to live in decent houses....it doesnt have to be luxurious - but surely basic house with basic features is affordable to an okada rider - as long as gov subsidize the housing by providing free land, reducing taxes for targeted developers and providing loan guranteers to these otherwise credit unworthy individual.

The model already worked that is why 325,000 kenyas are waiting on the line to snap houses.

British colonialist before they left use to build thousands of affordable housing - Kenya gov continued - until some idiots at IMF/WB in 1980s - prescribed structrual adjustment program - that cut off all social programs - from education to housing - and now slums have taken over.

Kenya gov like many have since dumped those SAP policies - and gone big on social programs.

China and South Asians developed by basically doing opposite of IMF and "common wisdom". Building these 500,000 units will employ at least 2 to 4 million people. It will create huge multiplier effects - and people will live in good houses.

Just40:
I live in a 4 bedroom mansion here ... All I see are Kenyans coming to beg here.


Like I said, no Kenyan company offer a 30 years mortgage even at 2000 dollars a month, let alone 80 dollars ...


Most apartments are empty while filthy slums keep holding 80% of Nairobi 10 million people ..... Untill you address the fundamental reason why people don't have disposable income...

You're fighting a losing battle

Evidence

GeneralDae:
South Africa is 41000 not 600.

I bet 90 percent of those Lagos are are scams from the scam HQ of the world. It's wierd data source: South Africa returned 600 Look for credible data point next time mate.

GeneralDae:
If you check Linked In jobs for example, lagos alone has 4 times more job opening than the whole of Kenya and we are talking just Lagos here in comparison to the entire Kenya.

Why would people be building houses if there was no takers? Lagos & Accra have over capacity because there is no formal sector to generate jobs and income.

200 dollars is for very cheap house in Nairobi Eastland - a two bedroom. It's Nairobi lower middle income.

Rent in half of Nairobi - that is West part of Nairobi - plays around 2,000 to 5,000usd - even more than that - for standalone - and for apartments 800usd to 1,000usd.

Just40:
80 dollars to 200 dollars is highly unaffordable to 80% of people in Nairobi hence why everything in Nairobi are largely unoccupied..

This is why they usually live in 30 dollars slums all over Nairobi

In your life time you'll not even to Ngara level. By next year this place will have 9 - 34 floors building. Entire Ghana doesnt have a single 30 story building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xZ53XNPyWk

Now facts.

Start here https://bomayangu.go.ke/

Already nearly 325,000 kenyans have registered for these units- majority paid the deposit. They are just waiting for chinese to finish construction.

Kenya Mortagage REFINANCE company will take care of mortagage by topping up commercial mortagage rates.

By time you're done with your madness - you'll be looking for VISA to come and beg in Nairobi streets

Just40:
your just mad that your country isn't as good as mine and throwing tantrums all around when your bubble get burst.
Anyway 8kms is not a distance

No company in Kenya give a mortgage for 30 years at 80 dollars.. stop lying

Actually the houses are really affordable - 4kms from CBD - it's walkable to Central Business district - for 80USD a month mortagage when least rent you can get there is 200USD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rgW6TMzffY

The entire Pangani-Ngara-Eastleigh - and most Eastland - will be able to host millions - who can literally walk to their offices or schools - and that is future of urban living. Not commuting 60 kilometres to the city


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xZ53XNPyWk

Concentrate on Ghana - Let's here from Lagosians. There are many here. I know you're idle but we are here to learn - not engage in shouting matches.

Just40:
Lagos sheer size of beautiful real estate is about 15 times what is happening in Kenya

Pipeline is better than your best neigberhood because - it's merely 8kms from city center and just two kilometres from industrial area. Majority of resident there are students or factory workers.

The affordable units are going for mortgage of 80 usd per month for 30yrs with 10 percent deposit (about 2,000usd). This the rental rate for those areas - but here you're paying it as mortgage. These are areas two kilometres or walking distance from Nairobi business districts.

Now compare to living 30 kilometres from Accra - and commuting for three hours or more commute per day to Accra business district.

Or worse in Lagos - where you have to cross to the island - about 6hours commute daily!!!!!

Just40:
just another set of pipeline mess in the making... Unfortunately it remain unaffordable to Kenyans hence unoccupied by 98%

Of course I have watched. Nothing of that sort if happening in Nigeria. Not in any scale like is happening in Kenya. The best rebuttal is put videos and pictures. You're doing 500 units - while Lagos housing deficit alone is 2 million units.

GeneralDae:
So who told you this is not so happening in Nigeria and Ghana. Do you watch videos of Nigerian youtubers like Tayo Aina and Steven Ndukwe? The problem with you is that you get so easily excited that you just go haywire until we calm you down again, then the next second you blow hot again.

Example - 180M dollars - 4,900 units Affordable Housing unit coming up in Mowlem Nairobi in three phases.

State Dept for Housing and Urban Development KE
I witnessed the signing of a partnership between Synohydro and Seascan Development Limited for the development of 4,900 affordable housing units in Embakasi West, Nairobi. #AffordableHousing #Big4Agenda

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-19-affordable-housing-state-to-build-4900-units-in-nairobis-mowlem-estate/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1642615538

Something West Africa Zoos can learn.

Kenya sorting it's housing deficit - Gov owns a lot of housing estates - that are now old and dilapidated - the land is given to developer - who demolish them - build affordable units and few market rates units.

In total 500,000 units - that on average can settle 3-4 people - is two million people living decently.

Gov expenditure - almost ZERO.

From this.

Affordable housing- Nairobi - 1,565 units - 1st block ready - and previous occupants of low rise gov building - will get free houses

Two years ago - they were 48 old buildings -owned by Nairobi City - that were demolished. The tenants were paid 6,000USD - and now get free houses.

Nairobi hope to build 70,000 units from such old Nairobi City councils


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHNOt5seo9E

https://cdn.standardmedia.co.ke/images/friday/zmzmrl9v9pezct61eabb41749a7.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3jeOcYCeM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vBIgd03Vyo

Rich coming from a Ghanian. Your towns are horrible. Infact your two cities look worse than Nyeri

Just40:
Kenya really need to stop building nasty jungles

You wish. It's a big problem as we speak.

GeneralDae:
Old news.

How is the sot pollution in your city of port harcourt today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTwr8qoPjqg

samorobo:
Loly

But of course the show must continue.


Nyeri slumpolis. Nothing much to be said here,just watch and throw in some wicked pity. This show has been an eye opener.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCg4V_7ibpc

This week I went to look at Daykio estate in Kiambu county - Juja - near Thika. Started in 2014. There are many such upcoming estates in Nairobi metro that would put to shame many west african concrete jungles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7uly-u1Vxc&t=157s

I watched. The end is the gate community that is nice. It's akin to Nairobi metro - mostly Kajiado and machakos counties estates - Kiambu county for most part has high end estates - it's not considered rich by any stretch in Kenya .

if they planted trees and fixed the roads it would good step forward. The potholes reminds me of Uganda. Why dont they like planting trees to deal with I hear the terrible heat is beyond me? I also saw huge generator by the road.

Example of Nairobi Metro estate it should aim for - Ngong town - you may not be able to see houses - because of large land - but certainly Ghana can learn about planting trees, trimming edges and the works.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpfetaphi-c&t=467s

popizaino:
@Rvp2018

Watch till the end to confirm your suspicions.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOSV-l9-2Bw

Thika superhighway BRT nears completion

GeneralDae:
See who is talking of road network and yet you don't have paved roads in about 70% of your country Kenya?
Even your fellow Kenyan here admitted that.

our road quality is one Africa best..even non paved road as long as it's well maintained murram or gravel and is all weather is better than pot holed tarmac.First start by enforcement of axle road and even cutting overgrowth in your road

68816419:
The Sukuk funding, Internal and external loan, national Treasury , excess crude account, PPP, and many more

I suggest you use the money to rehabilitate your road network before you build new..the culture of maintenance is sorely lacking in Nigeria..no point building a road then 5yrs later it's like moon surface

Using which money?

68816419:
Nigga, No country is building road projects in Africa as Nigeria ,the projects Covering over 13,000 Kilometres of the 35,000 plus Kilometres of Federal Highways and Bridges. over 800 road projects are ongoing,
here is the link of the projects

https://worksandhousing.gov.ng/management/uploads_images/1562351340.pdf

Good progress. There are still 8 million IDPs? I dont know why you keep 8 million in tents and just build 500 houses for a few one!

68816419:
@RVP2008 Borno closes its 6th IDP camp as officials inspect the construction of 500 detachable houses in Mai Bukarti and Jubrinti, in Jere Local Govt., This what your government should be doing Too many development
Unveils, Allocates 580 Resettlement House to Displaced Families in Borno state , a state far more developed than many Kisumu and Nakuru combined

Take you medicine mad man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP8P19RxIWk

Just40:
the answer is obviously yes .... If after reading what I wrote and you didn't get you answer, it simply because you are dumb..

A place with good water and electricity supply than most people is Nairobi will have ( Nairobians trek miles for water)

A place with better homes and good roads which is something 70% of Nairobians don't have especially considering the number of flying toilets

14- kilometer road - and it's a reconstruction - you have a long way to build new stuff because your entire road network is totally dilapidated.
https://tribuneonlineng.com/buhari-to-inaugurate-ijebu-ode-epe-expressway-in-december/

68816419:
Early this month , Buhari commissions housing projects and 41km dual carriage road built by Dapo Abiodun in Ogun State.( no single Noise was made ) , if any country in Africa would develop any time soon, surely it most be Nigeria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTKHKsPVxdw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XWlRD-ZSOI

Old videos.

samorobo:
I don’t see no paved road neither do I see the toilet.peepoo still exist for a reason.
Majority of kibera resident are among the 50% not connected to the grid.tell this lies to someone else, stop wasting my time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxB6B8z_2HU

Kamikaze grotesque ideas that wont scale. Until you begin building high rises for the poor - you're wasting time, land and energy. Those houses near to be near their hustle....meaning near business district, industrial areas and upper class.

Otherwise youll create another Soweto problem.

Just30:
They are far beautiful and modern than leaving poor nairobians to live in nasty slum scrappers, zinc and mud houses without toilet
and guess what, they are far more affordable


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UsyWd7gDBo&t=58s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nbiSUX6QX8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTNVhn1p1c&t=31s

Kibera has seen a lot of improvement - there now thousands of toilets - there are now paved roads - everyone has electricity that works 24hrs - and they have water. It's better than 99 percent of Nigeria.

Again remember our slum problem is very easy to solve.

2 percent of land mass. 5 percent of built up area.

EASY.

Yours need jesus.

samorobo:
Kibera had a plan since 2003 and hasn’t implemented shiit,who the fvck are you to interrogate me?

Container city That is why your president has Nairobi as his north star. A used container is 1,000usd but that is not a house.

Just30:
Lunatic

Do these beautiful 12,000 dollars homes look slummy to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePKAr_5YkXM&t=156s

or this 6,000 dollars one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izgwOkwxQ0I&t=1183s

or these ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7KdM26CpM



you are fuming at your mouth because there's no way that Kenya can solve it huge slum mess all around the country

Yet you never stop watching videos looking for broken pavement.

samorobo:
Your cbd is actually a slum like mombasa’s. I though this was different. Lol you keep wasting my time.

We are not doing to impress anybody. We are doing to provide decent housing to every kenyan including Okada driver! Affordable housing is for low class so they can also live like humans - not like Nigeria zoos.

Now what is big plan for Makoko and entire slumpolis that is Lagos.

samorobo:
A few is less than 5k. You are not impressing Uganda at this point.

Small problem of improving paving and walk ways. We are working on that. Nairobi Non motorized transport will cost mere 10M dollars. It's under way and most of it already fixed.

That is lipstick - but big problem is eliminating slums.

samorobo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiMDdAc0iQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv0ede9RvP8