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kikuyu1:
I've a cuz in River Oaks, Houston and yes while the houses are sizable they're all well-designed from Queen Anne, Tudor, Georgian, traditional ranch houses to free flowing Kali style mansions.
Naij designs are very basic- 4 walls and a roof. IIRC, a Naijjan designer came to Nairobi and urged his fellows to come this way and up their game.

Nigeria because it wasn't really a colony but protectorate didn't get British influence and after fall of European powers in world war two they connected more with America.Kenya upper class is certainly a microsm of British upper class.Unlike most colonies Kenya settlers were mostly the British uppity who loved animals and nature..and had no insecurities so didn't feel the need to prove themselves like American low class.As Kenyans became rich they basically adopted the British uppity...the love of nature, animals, dirty jeans,four wheel adventures and of course being indiscrete..to be rich therefore means hiding yourself under the trees literally..it mean to be exclusive while being in touch with nature

Yes definitely architecture and almost everything in west africa has lot of American influence. Kenya is more British influence - same all the way down to South Afirca. The central africa and part of west africa has french architecture. You see Eritrea and somali and ethiopia with Italians influence.

I dont think gardens and trees are because of reptiles - I think Nigerians just feel they need to show off their large houses.

Mombasa Nyali estate is upper call estate - Mombasa is tropical - It has lots of trees - I am not sure of snakes in Mombasa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpzPaQd1uWo

popizaino:
You have your way with words and really nailed it on the emboldened.But could it be that, part of the reason why we don't keep large gardens in our houses could be for the fear of reptiles and other dangerous insects, speaking from experience though. Remember our generations here is tropical.

Well - I like Nigeria ostentatious roofing - but those big houses on tiny plots - without any privacy ,without trees, flowers, etc will NOT and cannot pass for Kenya upper class estates - that again starts in Garden/Thome - all the way to Karen.

Another thing I noticed in nigeria architecture is the almost absent of wood on the outside - look like concrete is everything - in Kenya - we prefer natural stones for finishing, some wood, and basically a house is suppose to blend into the enviroment - to appear almost like it's grew naturally - like a tree - not look dominant and overbearing.

Kenya vibe is a little different - the more upper class - the more it's integrate seamless with nature.

I think kenya tend to do European or British style - but Nigeria is more American (more Big Texas houses).

For kenyans wealth is supposed to be subtle - not screaming - but in Nigeria like in America - it's ostentatious


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyT66eIQPw

popizaino:
This is not Paris or California........This is Asokoro Abuja.


Rvp2018......The quality of houses here will make the houses in Karen and Muthiaga look like inferior. Don't talk about small plot size pls, just enjoy the sheer sizes and beauty of this amazing architectures.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63HcWvTcIbs

Why go for land when you can take gold - they had you pay 78B dollars at the threat of sitting on the golden stool.

Just40:
Naa... We pursue them in English court in the late 1800s to stop them in their track...

Just by using our complex multilayered land tenure system to give the queen a red eye.

Just40:
so this one too is a point ?

Point of what . They just stand out by wearing Islamic wear inappropriately.We are used different set of Muslim.. mostly Arabs who will never appear in bars

kikuyu1:
In the world, especially nations at our level such deals are hard to find. It's a socio-economic game changer like the post-war Italian Vespa moped.
Cheap to buy and ride it easily facilitated assignations so easily in then strictly Catholic Italy some say it was chiefly responsible for the immediate post war baby boom. Broke niggas like labourers and butchers assistants could get a girl on the backseat and rise off into a forest and do the deed.
Anyway, out low cost housing effects will be written a decade from now.

There is small window of opportunity of the incredible Chinese construction machinery..we tap into it .we solve many problems in short time

Today I found myself in garden estate..I can see Nigerians..only people to put Muslim wear in a bar...I play pool.Every Nigeria Muslim or not has that Islamic wear...never happened in Kenya.In Kenya Muslim are mostly Arabs in Kenya coast and related Swahili..then Somalis .they chew khat..never will you see them in bars.Nigeria are crazy people...how the hell do a Muslim turn up in a club

popizaino:
Charlie what changed? This new you is impressive. Container shops or kiosk shouldn't be tolerated along an asphalt road, it should be restricted to areas with dusty road and once the road is been asphalted then, they should move them away. The truth is that people will not move unless their is a law that restrict them.

it's difficult problem..do you outlaw informal trade like Rwanda tries ..do you criminalize and brutalize like Kenya..do you allow as French say laissez-faire or carefree like west Africa..or do you organise them like museveni and western countries do..I favour museveni approach..hawkers, kiosks and informal traders should be organised like Uganda did for public taxi or trotos or dafno that Kenya copied..let them as poor as they are be organised,orderly.. like it or not poor urban poor will eke a living...best to organise them..into some semblance of order.if you're street hawker in Uganda you wear uniforms that say it.. you have some code of conduct..your leadership know you..the same for informal transport..there has be attempt to order without criminalizing poverty..as people fend and will fend whether you like or not as it's survival game

Entire Area looks less appealing than Pangani affordable housing I showed you.

Just40:
which one is affordable basic housing ?

Does the neighborhood look like affordable basic to you

Do you know the kind of mansions built all around that area?

Boy you will count yourself lucky in Kenya Nairobi if where 80% of you guys live had the kind of beautiful housing and we'll planned like this area.

Mad cow

Just40:
I've watched it before ....

He has Circle tiptoe lane ... A market
Mallam market and Mallam old town which is a small area around the interchange.

The he Has West Hills mall which in not Kasoa....

Kasoa I also bigger and a better residential area than where 60% of Nairobians live

THAT IS AFFORDABLE BASIC HOUSING - luxury That is what we are building for slum dogs.

Just40:
lunatic

Same area

You will be lucky to live in a place like this in Nairobi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWrQHOZkYLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2St0KyzMY7Y

Which places? Watch the entire video - it's just 10 minutes - in the middle is likes of Kasoa - the whole of Accra is very depressing. It's why other races think lowly of Africans.

Can you really compare to Nairobi? When will you get here? And yet Nairobi is still poor city. We dont even have definition for Accra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RE109_Vii0

Just40:
Nothing need fixing here

When you mention that you live in this area, you get highly respected because the mansion there are all in the million of dollars.

The madness!

Just40:
Boy you will even love to live in this are than 90% of Nairobi...

It's a super beautiful neighborhood than even your *Karen, *Runda and co combine..

You can confer with Popizaino if he know the place.

Their gov already know they got huge problem. That is why it was lifting Nairobi pictures.

He is talking about Kasoa - I saw that huge slumpolis - man it's endless slum after slum after slum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1_Y7LfuAo

popizaino:
If Ghana really needs the ones you really think they need, then I don't think discussions like the one below would have ever come up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gidGXq9AlR8

You're an alien to facts.
Fact is slum occupy only 2 percent of Nairobi landmass.
So we can demolish them in a single week.

HOW DO YOU FIX THIS? Where do you start? Unless you mean Ghanians do not deserve to live like other humans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1_Y7LfuAo

Just40:
Not according to the facts ....

The fact says that 80% of Nairobi is a slumpolis while in Accra, it stand at only 15 to 18%

You mean the videos the Sammy has been posting?
Yeah they are evident enough, hence why you guys are even Afraid to post them...

Like Kagame did in Rwanda's Kigali - Accra for most part need to be demolished - bit per bit - because it cannot fixed

Even if you have good intersection - it's applying lipstick on a pig


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1_Y7LfuAo

That would be a good start. Otherwise they need 10,000 units estates with complete demolition of most of the current city.

popizaino:
This is what Ghana needs




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54DrWsOSOg





Not these.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyvbBdJctas


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ajah3pH33g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcvmAhOB1dM

Polemics.
Your entire city is a Slumpolis.
That is why your president lifted Nairobi.
The videos are enough evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_-IuyK9SE&t=813s

Just40:
Accra and Lagos haven't even gotten close to your level of slumminess.....

You're talking about housing formalization as a big dream for Kenya.... It will never happen in Kenya untill you guys can improve disposable income like in Accra and Lagos..
Untill then ... The slums will keep growing in Kenya

Nairobi Metro is close to 10m - about 7-8M.
Nairobi if allows Slumization (private informal sector) will become another Accra or Lagos in few decades.
The housing sector has to be formalized - pension funds, insurances, big housing companies and gov to provide social housing.
Gov doesnt need money to build houses.
Let use Kibera for example
The slums are in very prime areas - Kibera lies btw Upper hill/Kilimani and Langata/Karen
An acre of land in Kibera would easily sell for 5m dollars - minimum 2 million dollars.
Now kibera is 650 acres.
That land is worth 2-3Billion dollars or about.
Give a chinese developer that land - tell him to squeeze the current 200K Kibera people into 20 percent of the land by building up - and rest to convert for private market rates houses- and pay himself.
200K people probably live in 50K units.
That chinese can develop very basic units for 10K -20 usd each- that is 500M- 1B dollars
So that land is even more valuable - than providing them free houses.
The same can be done in all Nairobi slums.
That will clear backlog of slums.
And gov can start to keep up with social housing needs...

But if Kenya was to continue with informalization of it's housing sector - we would become Accra - HUGE ENDLESS SLUMPOLIS - where everyone wakes up and build their own thing.

Housing sector need BIG developers with muscle to build proper housing estates - even if it's basic - but orderly, organized, with amenities and uniformity.

Just40:
lie ... Nairobi has 10 million people ( mind you I'm not refer to the city )


Yeah the solution will be simple if your govt had money but it does ... Hence the huge mess that keeps getting bigger.

Nairobi has 4.5M people. See you cannot engage in an adult conversation before going off tagent.

Slums are created by private informal housing sector. - dont wonder why Accra is one huge slumpolis.

Kenyans were not richer in 60s,70s and 80s - yet the slums arose in late 80s and blossomed in the 90s. The reason - previously Kenya gov and city council use to build social housing - but at some point IMF/WB said - you cannot do that - it's too expensive - you need to balance the budget bla de bla

The solution is simple - gov provides social housing in urban areas - like it provide free primary, free secondary, free university and free healthcare. Housing is basic need.

Just40:
there is no over supply in Nairobi...

There is not just that many people who can afford those apartments because people don't make much...

Urbanization rate is not slow in Kenya because you guys build apartments , it is slow because Kenya is not developing as fast as it should....

Free housing from where ?
Please don't make me laugh, you guys can't even connect the 70% of your country that are villagers to the national grid for free and you're here talking about free housing for 8 million Nairobians living in the slum?

Ask anybody to show you completely unoccupied rental in Nairobi. You think because we dont pay 2yr rent in advance and wait for months to get a house - that there is oversupply As soon as rental is done - it get filled up in 2-3 months. Of course because we build apartments there is far greater supply than in Accra or Lagos - and also urbanization rate is still low.

These current people living in slums and slumscrapper dont stay there for free. They still pay rent. yes that segment will not afford to pay 80USD because their current rent is 10USD. That is part that will be dealt by providing them free housing under slum upgrading program...slums are in very prime area. A developer can afford to give them free houses and build vertically - generating far more units.

But that is small component - the majority of Nairobeans living in Eastland paying rent of 80usd to 200usd - can afford these houses - converting their rent to mortagage - and all benefits of a home owner.

As for Ghana - where do we even begin - maybe having centralized sewage system - because frankly apartment cannot work with soakpits and cesspool.

A single plot of land can squeze upto 20 units - and be occupied by 100 people. Now imagine all that waste water and solid waste....which cesspool will handle that? It will fill up every 3 days.

Just40:
who said there's over supply in Kenya?
I said what is being built, Kenyans can't afford it so they remain empty...
Get the difference.

If they were affordable for Kenyans, they won't remain largely unoccupied .... It's because Kenyans can't afford it, that is why they are 90% plus unoccupied.


The slums took over because people lives were not being touched by tea farms owned by corporations paying them peanuts .... And they will keep getting bigger with more and more people ending up in slums around Kenya until people economic conditions are improved..
Else quality, beautiful and great homes will be something of an illusion for Kenyans.

1) Start here - https://kmrc.co.ke/ -

2) Show me evidence there is oversupply in Nairobi. In fact there is huge backlog of deficit. We are building more and more. This is not Ghana or Nigeria where you squeeze 10 people in corner of main house. Or live with relatives from the villages.

3) Secondly that is tired line. These house are affordable - meaning they will cost whatever it's currently costing them. There is no need for their income to increase - because we selling the house at current rent - except they eventually own it.

Africa is not developing because half-witted polemics like - housing is an income problem

People deserves to live in decent houses....it doesnt have to be luxurious - but surely basic house with basic features is affordable to an okada rider - as long as gov subsidize the housing by providing free land, reducing taxes for targeted developers and providing loan guranteers to these otherwise credit unworthy individual.

The model already worked that is why 325,000 kenyas are waiting on the line to snap houses.

British colonialist before they left use to build thousands of affordable housing - Kenya gov continued - until some idiots at IMF/WB in 1980s - prescribed structrual adjustment program - that cut off all social programs - from education to housing - and now slums have taken over.

Kenya gov like many have since dumped those SAP policies - and gone big on social programs.

China and South Asians developed by basically doing opposite of IMF and "common wisdom". Building these 500,000 units will employ at least 2 to 4 million people. It will create huge multiplier effects - and people will live in good houses.

Just40:
I live in a 4 bedroom mansion here ... All I see are Kenyans coming to beg here.


Like I said, no Kenyan company offer a 30 years mortgage even at 2000 dollars a month, let alone 80 dollars ...


Most apartments are empty while filthy slums keep holding 80% of Nairobi 10 million people ..... Untill you address the fundamental reason why people don't have disposable income...

You're fighting a losing battle

Evidence

GeneralDae:
South Africa is 41000 not 600.

I bet 90 percent of those Lagos are are scams from the scam HQ of the world. It's wierd data source: South Africa returned 600 Look for credible data point next time mate.

GeneralDae:
If you check Linked In jobs for example, lagos alone has 4 times more job opening than the whole of Kenya and we are talking just Lagos here in comparison to the entire Kenya.

Why would people be building houses if there was no takers? Lagos & Accra have over capacity because there is no formal sector to generate jobs and income.

200 dollars is for very cheap house in Nairobi Eastland - a two bedroom. It's Nairobi lower middle income.

Rent in half of Nairobi - that is West part of Nairobi - plays around 2,000 to 5,000usd - even more than that - for standalone - and for apartments 800usd to 1,000usd.

Just40:
80 dollars to 200 dollars is highly unaffordable to 80% of people in Nairobi hence why everything in Nairobi are largely unoccupied..

This is why they usually live in 30 dollars slums all over Nairobi

In your life time you'll not even to Ngara level. By next year this place will have 9 - 34 floors building. Entire Ghana doesnt have a single 30 story building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xZ53XNPyWk

Now facts.

Start here https://bomayangu.go.ke/

Already nearly 325,000 kenyans have registered for these units- majority paid the deposit. They are just waiting for chinese to finish construction.

Kenya Mortagage REFINANCE company will take care of mortagage by topping up commercial mortagage rates.

By time you're done with your madness - you'll be looking for VISA to come and beg in Nairobi streets

Just40:
your just mad that your country isn't as good as mine and throwing tantrums all around when your bubble get burst.
Anyway 8kms is not a distance

No company in Kenya give a mortgage for 30 years at 80 dollars.. stop lying

Actually the houses are really affordable - 4kms from CBD - it's walkable to Central Business district - for 80USD a month mortagage when least rent you can get there is 200USD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rgW6TMzffY

The entire Pangani-Ngara-Eastleigh - and most Eastland - will be able to host millions - who can literally walk to their offices or schools - and that is future of urban living. Not commuting 60 kilometres to the city


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xZ53XNPyWk

Concentrate on Ghana - Let's here from Lagosians. There are many here. I know you're idle but we are here to learn - not engage in shouting matches.

Just40:
Lagos sheer size of beautiful real estate is about 15 times what is happening in Kenya

Pipeline is better than your best neigberhood because - it's merely 8kms from city center and just two kilometres from industrial area. Majority of resident there are students or factory workers.

The affordable units are going for mortgage of 80 usd per month for 30yrs with 10 percent deposit (about 2,000usd). This the rental rate for those areas - but here you're paying it as mortgage. These are areas two kilometres or walking distance from Nairobi business districts.

Now compare to living 30 kilometres from Accra - and commuting for three hours or more commute per day to Accra business district.

Or worse in Lagos - where you have to cross to the island - about 6hours commute daily!!!!!

Just40:
just another set of pipeline mess in the making... Unfortunately it remain unaffordable to Kenyans hence unoccupied by 98%

Of course I have watched. Nothing of that sort if happening in Nigeria. Not in any scale like is happening in Kenya. The best rebuttal is put videos and pictures. You're doing 500 units - while Lagos housing deficit alone is 2 million units.

GeneralDae:
So who told you this is not so happening in Nigeria and Ghana. Do you watch videos of Nigerian youtubers like Tayo Aina and Steven Ndukwe? The problem with you is that you get so easily excited that you just go haywire until we calm you down again, then the next second you blow hot again.

Example - 180M dollars - 4,900 units Affordable Housing unit coming up in Mowlem Nairobi in three phases.

State Dept for Housing and Urban Development KE
I witnessed the signing of a partnership between Synohydro and Seascan Development Limited for the development of 4,900 affordable housing units in Embakasi West, Nairobi. #AffordableHousing #Big4Agenda

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-01-19-affordable-housing-state-to-build-4900-units-in-nairobis-mowlem-estate/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1642615538

Something West Africa Zoos can learn.

Kenya sorting it's housing deficit - Gov owns a lot of housing estates - that are now old and dilapidated - the land is given to developer - who demolish them - build affordable units and few market rates units.

In total 500,000 units - that on average can settle 3-4 people - is two million people living decently.

Gov expenditure - almost ZERO.

From this.