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Please next time bring credible data - dont scrounge the internet for any link

One more video to make you really tired


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBKqx7i0IPM

obaaderemi:
As at 2021, Kenya has a cost of living index higher than Nigeria. In fact you are one of the most expensive countries in Africa to live.
https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/lifestyle/15-african-cities-with-the-highest-cost-of-living-index-scores-in-2021/11ghkpw

With such poor people, tell me how you are doing well if your country is so expensive. And the naked eye test from samorobo videos and the tired repeated pictures of your fellow Kenyans, its clear your country ain't doing well.
And I keep saying it: Your economy is too small for the 50m people. It just can't work. Borrowing to the eye to build shiny roads and the sgr like oil rich Nigeria will only saddle you with unpayable debt and make your country poorer. My 50 cents.

Mombasa Metro is big. Distance from Mombasa to Diani is 30Kms. Distance from Mombasa to Vipingo - 35Kms. Distance from Mombasa to Marikiani is 40kms - all these areas are built up.

Kuruptnigga:
Mombasa should first aim owerri before getting to Abuja. Your Nairobi is still a baby play compared to Lagos. You must be smoking Colorado before coming here.

All these areas are outside Nairobi City...in the metro - thika is 40kms away -

Ruaka - including two rivers are in Nairobi Metro - does it look isolated. It has more tall building the entire Ghana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g_SyCwI9t4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmbUbEekgA

Kiambu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Nud_-bxrc

Ruiru city - has population going to 400K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0vtmc-GVk

Thika city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09-0WOrFj4
Kitengela

Ngong - and sorrounding areas.

Ongata rongai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ai6fsODaU
Athi river.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8uMcIbFQI

Just40:
all of which are isolated villages

What is a lie? How can one lie in things that can easily be proven. In middle in old Nairobi city. Ask for video of any of the areas outside that - Ruiru, Mavoko, Ngong, Kiserian, Athi River, Kitengela, Kamulu, Juja, Kikuyu, Ruaka,

Just40:
Thats a lie

You can designate huge area for a city - but what is actual built up area. Nairobi Metro for example is huge - but not all of is is built up.

GeneralDae:
How big is Nairobi actually? It's just 287mi square . Abuja is almost 3 times the size of that with 687mi square.

This Abuja landing - after the tiny city - is expansive wilderness - of maize plantations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vwac0f2wO0

Nairobi city is about 20kms radius. Entire Nairobi is built up apart from National Park and two forests.
Nairobi metro is about 60kms radius. It's completely built up 30kms....from there it becomes peri-urban until 60kms.

Just40:
Lies

Nairobi built up area is not 60kms

It is less than 20kms after which you'll have to jump over a large portion of nothingness and land into one village after the other

Which part of Nairobi do you want to see? I have seen videos of Abuja - from Airport to city center - it basically maize plantation - and that is what 40kms from Nnamdi Azikiwe Airport to Main city.

We have shown Nairobi so many times - in so many areas.

When you see Skyscrappers - just know that city is expansive - for simple reason it's expensive to build up.

When you see apartments - again know that city is huge.

Nobody likes building skyscrappers.

GeneralDae:
If Nairobi is that great, you wouldn't be posting your CBD or one, two areas for 5 years as the greatness of Kenya. The only thing Nairobi has over Abuja is the number of sky scrapers. It doesn't have better roads than Abuja and it definitely has more slums. For electricity, Abuja in many places sees up to 21 hours of electricity on average. So what else?
Let's speak with facts here not sentiment.

Nigeria consolation is really hilarious. Nairobi because it's simply a word class city; Ohoo Nairobi is tiny really? A city whose built up area extend nearly 60kms in all directions - a metro that is close 8m people. And city that is built up - with huge population density of gazillions of apartments - and huge built up area - is TINY

You aint gonna get here even with all the oils - until you wake up and face reality


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps&t=55s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_-IuyK9SE&t=828s

You normally attempt to reason - Abuja and Nairobi - in the same sentence? How now? Abuja is not even at Mombasa level. Nairobi -Joburg-Cairo-CapeTown - maybe even Durban. Those are big cities in Africa. You can add Lagos if we ignore infrastructure and consider population - but then you'd have to include the fellow shanty city of Kinshasasa.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVd7cIf1TLA

GeneralDae:
� you think Abuja is nairobi? Abuja is big and if we start with Abuja contents, I can assure you we wouldn't be posting just CBD or few areas the way your folks here do with Nairobi.

Nairobi Elevated Expressway - all the pillars to be decorated with creeper plants - the median planted with flowers

The greening that we will undertaken include planting of beautiful Bushes along the Nairobi Expressway from Mlolongo to Capital Center, this will include a mix of Sky Flower Bushes, Hibiscus Bushes, Scarlet Bushes. and Nerium oleandar L . Bushes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFR54RjuSCU

The unique thing in your shack is the lack of ceiling; That I have seen a lot in South Africa; I can only imagine how it feel during the summer with all the heat and no ceiling.

AfriqueDuZuid:
SA housing style is unique!

I can conclude today that's It's pretty difficult for you/kenyans to point out Kenyans case without mentioning SA.

kikuyu1:
I've a cuz in River Oaks, Houston and yes while the houses are sizable they're all well-designed from Queen Anne, Tudor, Georgian, traditional ranch houses to free flowing Kali style mansions.
Naij designs are very basic- 4 walls and a roof. IIRC, a Naijjan designer came to Nairobi and urged his fellows to come this way and up their game.

Nigeria because it wasn't really a colony but protectorate didn't get British influence and after fall of European powers in world war two they connected more with America.Kenya upper class is certainly a microsm of British upper class.Unlike most colonies Kenya settlers were mostly the British uppity who loved animals and nature..and had no insecurities so didn't feel the need to prove themselves like American low class.As Kenyans became rich they basically adopted the British uppity...the love of nature, animals, dirty jeans,four wheel adventures and of course being indiscrete..to be rich therefore means hiding yourself under the trees literally..it mean to be exclusive while being in touch with nature

Yes definitely architecture and almost everything in west africa has lot of American influence. Kenya is more British influence - same all the way down to South Afirca. The central africa and part of west africa has french architecture. You see Eritrea and somali and ethiopia with Italians influence.

I dont think gardens and trees are because of reptiles - I think Nigerians just feel they need to show off their large houses.

Mombasa Nyali estate is upper call estate - Mombasa is tropical - It has lots of trees - I am not sure of snakes in Mombasa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpzPaQd1uWo

popizaino:
You have your way with words and really nailed it on the emboldened.But could it be that, part of the reason why we don't keep large gardens in our houses could be for the fear of reptiles and other dangerous insects, speaking from experience though. Remember our generations here is tropical.

Well - I like Nigeria ostentatious roofing - but those big houses on tiny plots - without any privacy ,without trees, flowers, etc will NOT and cannot pass for Kenya upper class estates - that again starts in Garden/Thome - all the way to Karen.

Another thing I noticed in nigeria architecture is the almost absent of wood on the outside - look like concrete is everything - in Kenya - we prefer natural stones for finishing, some wood, and basically a house is suppose to blend into the enviroment - to appear almost like it's grew naturally - like a tree - not look dominant and overbearing.

Kenya vibe is a little different - the more upper class - the more it's integrate seamless with nature.

I think kenya tend to do European or British style - but Nigeria is more American (more Big Texas houses).

For kenyans wealth is supposed to be subtle - not screaming - but in Nigeria like in America - it's ostentatious


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyT66eIQPw

popizaino:
This is not Paris or California........This is Asokoro Abuja.


Rvp2018......The quality of houses here will make the houses in Karen and Muthiaga look like inferior. Don't talk about small plot size pls, just enjoy the sheer sizes and beauty of this amazing architectures.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63HcWvTcIbs

Why go for land when you can take gold - they had you pay 78B dollars at the threat of sitting on the golden stool.

Just40:
Naa... We pursue them in English court in the late 1800s to stop them in their track...

Just by using our complex multilayered land tenure system to give the queen a red eye.

Just40:
so this one too is a point ?

Point of what . They just stand out by wearing Islamic wear inappropriately.We are used different set of Muslim.. mostly Arabs who will never appear in bars

kikuyu1:
In the world, especially nations at our level such deals are hard to find. It's a socio-economic game changer like the post-war Italian Vespa moped.
Cheap to buy and ride it easily facilitated assignations so easily in then strictly Catholic Italy some say it was chiefly responsible for the immediate post war baby boom. Broke niggas like labourers and butchers assistants could get a girl on the backseat and rise off into a forest and do the deed.
Anyway, out low cost housing effects will be written a decade from now.

There is small window of opportunity of the incredible Chinese construction machinery..we tap into it .we solve many problems in short time

Today I found myself in garden estate..I can see Nigerians..only people to put Muslim wear in a bar...I play pool.Every Nigeria Muslim or not has that Islamic wear...never happened in Kenya.In Kenya Muslim are mostly Arabs in Kenya coast and related Swahili..then Somalis .they chew khat..never will you see them in bars.Nigeria are crazy people...how the hell do a Muslim turn up in a club

popizaino:
Charlie what changed? This new you is impressive. Container shops or kiosk shouldn't be tolerated along an asphalt road, it should be restricted to areas with dusty road and once the road is been asphalted then, they should move them away. The truth is that people will not move unless their is a law that restrict them.

it's difficult problem..do you outlaw informal trade like Rwanda tries ..do you criminalize and brutalize like Kenya..do you allow as French say laissez-faire or carefree like west Africa..or do you organise them like museveni and western countries do..I favour museveni approach..hawkers, kiosks and informal traders should be organised like Uganda did for public taxi or trotos or dafno that Kenya copied..let them as poor as they are be organised,orderly.. like it or not poor urban poor will eke a living...best to organise them..into some semblance of order.if you're street hawker in Uganda you wear uniforms that say it.. you have some code of conduct..your leadership know you..the same for informal transport..there has be attempt to order without criminalizing poverty..as people fend and will fend whether you like or not as it's survival game

Entire Area looks less appealing than Pangani affordable housing I showed you.

Just40:
which one is affordable basic housing ?

Does the neighborhood look like affordable basic to you

Do you know the kind of mansions built all around that area?

Boy you will count yourself lucky in Kenya Nairobi if where 80% of you guys live had the kind of beautiful housing and we'll planned like this area.

Mad cow

Just40:
I've watched it before ....

He has Circle tiptoe lane ... A market
Mallam market and Mallam old town which is a small area around the interchange.

The he Has West Hills mall which in not Kasoa....

Kasoa I also bigger and a better residential area than where 60% of Nairobians live

THAT IS AFFORDABLE BASIC HOUSING - luxury That is what we are building for slum dogs.

Just40:
lunatic

Same area

You will be lucky to live in a place like this in Nairobi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWrQHOZkYLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2St0KyzMY7Y

Which places? Watch the entire video - it's just 10 minutes - in the middle is likes of Kasoa - the whole of Accra is very depressing. It's why other races think lowly of Africans.

Can you really compare to Nairobi? When will you get here? And yet Nairobi is still poor city. We dont even have definition for Accra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RE109_Vii0

Just40:
Nothing need fixing here

When you mention that you live in this area, you get highly respected because the mansion there are all in the million of dollars.

The madness!

Just40:
Boy you will even love to live in this are than 90% of Nairobi...

It's a super beautiful neighborhood than even your *Karen, *Runda and co combine..

You can confer with Popizaino if he know the place.

Their gov already know they got huge problem. That is why it was lifting Nairobi pictures.

He is talking about Kasoa - I saw that huge slumpolis - man it's endless slum after slum after slum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1_Y7LfuAo

popizaino:
If Ghana really needs the ones you really think they need, then I don't think discussions like the one below would have ever come up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gidGXq9AlR8

You're an alien to facts.
Fact is slum occupy only 2 percent of Nairobi landmass.
So we can demolish them in a single week.

HOW DO YOU FIX THIS? Where do you start? Unless you mean Ghanians do not deserve to live like other humans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1_Y7LfuAo

Just40:
Not according to the facts ....

The fact says that 80% of Nairobi is a slumpolis while in Accra, it stand at only 15 to 18%

You mean the videos the Sammy has been posting?
Yeah they are evident enough, hence why you guys are even Afraid to post them...

Like Kagame did in Rwanda's Kigali - Accra for most part need to be demolished - bit per bit - because it cannot fixed

Even if you have good intersection - it's applying lipstick on a pig


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG1_Y7LfuAo

That would be a good start. Otherwise they need 10,000 units estates with complete demolition of most of the current city.

popizaino:
This is what Ghana needs




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54DrWsOSOg





Not these.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyvbBdJctas


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ajah3pH33g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcvmAhOB1dM

Polemics.
Your entire city is a Slumpolis.
That is why your president lifted Nairobi.
The videos are enough evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_-IuyK9SE&t=813s

Just40:
Accra and Lagos haven't even gotten close to your level of slumminess.....

You're talking about housing formalization as a big dream for Kenya.... It will never happen in Kenya untill you guys can improve disposable income like in Accra and Lagos..
Untill then ... The slums will keep growing in Kenya

Nairobi Metro is close to 10m - about 7-8M.
Nairobi if allows Slumization (private informal sector) will become another Accra or Lagos in few decades.
The housing sector has to be formalized - pension funds, insurances, big housing companies and gov to provide social housing.
Gov doesnt need money to build houses.
Let use Kibera for example
The slums are in very prime areas - Kibera lies btw Upper hill/Kilimani and Langata/Karen
An acre of land in Kibera would easily sell for 5m dollars - minimum 2 million dollars.
Now kibera is 650 acres.
That land is worth 2-3Billion dollars or about.
Give a chinese developer that land - tell him to squeeze the current 200K Kibera people into 20 percent of the land by building up - and rest to convert for private market rates houses- and pay himself.
200K people probably live in 50K units.
That chinese can develop very basic units for 10K -20 usd each- that is 500M- 1B dollars
So that land is even more valuable - than providing them free houses.
The same can be done in all Nairobi slums.
That will clear backlog of slums.
And gov can start to keep up with social housing needs...

But if Kenya was to continue with informalization of it's housing sector - we would become Accra - HUGE ENDLESS SLUMPOLIS - where everyone wakes up and build their own thing.

Housing sector need BIG developers with muscle to build proper housing estates - even if it's basic - but orderly, organized, with amenities and uniformity.

Just40:
lie ... Nairobi has 10 million people ( mind you I'm not refer to the city )


Yeah the solution will be simple if your govt had money but it does ... Hence the huge mess that keeps getting bigger.

Nairobi has 4.5M people. See you cannot engage in an adult conversation before going off tagent.

Slums are created by private informal housing sector. - dont wonder why Accra is one huge slumpolis.

Kenyans were not richer in 60s,70s and 80s - yet the slums arose in late 80s and blossomed in the 90s. The reason - previously Kenya gov and city council use to build social housing - but at some point IMF/WB said - you cannot do that - it's too expensive - you need to balance the budget bla de bla

The solution is simple - gov provides social housing in urban areas - like it provide free primary, free secondary, free university and free healthcare. Housing is basic need.

Just40:
there is no over supply in Nairobi...

There is not just that many people who can afford those apartments because people don't make much...

Urbanization rate is not slow in Kenya because you guys build apartments , it is slow because Kenya is not developing as fast as it should....

Free housing from where ?
Please don't make me laugh, you guys can't even connect the 70% of your country that are villagers to the national grid for free and you're here talking about free housing for 8 million Nairobians living in the slum?