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agaugust: nigeria is graduating to far superior missiles and rockets than all DENEL has made in south africa. minimum range will be 500km to 1,000km and dont ask for source, use your head and figure out the target of the project mentioned many times in that source, they dont need to always tell you 1,2,3 numbers....they tell you where they are shooting for....use your brain to figure out the altitude...if your soweto fish brain can do some basic mathematics

"In his interview, Fashade — who now heads Research and Development at the African Regional Centre for Space Science and Technology Education, Il-Ife — said NASRDA would eventually “graduate to bigger and more complex craft.”

By whose standards? Your standards?

What is his definition of "bigger and more complex"? You are not only putting words in his mouth by saying the range will be 500-1000km, you are putting your d*ck, your wife, your family and friends, all your possesions in his mouth. The poor man is in ICU now because of all the things you put in his mouth.

Example. What is that useless Nigerian UAV called? Amebo? Is Amebo II not "bigger and more complex" than Amebo I? But how is Amebo II compared to the world standard of UAV's being produced? It's still a piece of sh*t.

chris365: i now see why you'd rather copy and paste than to comment from your own thought. whenever you try to think on your own you end up sounding like a premature f00l.

Pakistan has electricity problems worst than Nigeria yet developed ballistic missiles and has nukes. you are a f00l if you think you need to have steady power supply to build missiles. you better resume your copy and paste.

f00l that doesn't even look at what he copies from. your news is 2004 and Nigeria backed out from it long ago before we decided to train engineers for such project. our missile project is new and growing very fast.

You're doing nothing but lying to yourself if you think Nigeria can develop components such as seeker heads, servos, interntial navigation units by itself. Hence I say you're doing nothing but launching rockets 3km into the air and claiming it as if you've developed a cure for aids.

NIGERIAN CAR/BANGUI ON HOME SOIL

16 Nigerian Soldiers killed on home soil. Boko Haram

http://m.timeslive.co.za/africa/?articleId=9964259

agaugust: upcoming topic :

south african air defense missile is very useless with an altitude of only 1km, even a nigerian Mi-35 Hind helicopter gunship will fly at 2 km altitude and be k.illing south african soldiers on the ground without any challenge from the foolish imported British made Starstreak SAM of south africa....Roland SAM of nigeria has altitude of 5.5km and is 5 times better....fools laughing at a superior Roland SAM...fools of mandela republic

deadly Roland SAM of nigeria, 7 times better than all south african anti-aircraft missiles

https://www.videoseyret.org/videoresim/img-amx30-roland-sam-system802.jpg

1. Where did you get the idea that Starstreak has a range of 1km? Starstreak has a range of 5km.

2. Shame I guess you didn't know there is a land version of Umkhonto surface to air missiles with 15km range.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13668:army-funds-gbads-ii&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/Umkhonto_gbads2_400x301.JPG
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/umkhonto_gbads2_2010ep21.jpg

chris365: for now this is the only official response you deserve since you don't want to believe beegeagle that is well connected to get his credible info for his blog.

Osheku did not reveal the exact dimensions of the rockets his Centre is currently testing. But an earlier interview, with another source, left the impression that these missiles are larger than the ones Fashade had been experimenting with.

Internationally, rocketry is a sensitive subject, because it encompasses “dual use technology”—instruments that can be used, either for peaceful or military purposes. “Nigeria must, therefore, tread softly,” Mohammed allowed, ” to avoid sending the wrong signals about our intentions, which are entirely peaceful”

it's this underestimation that will continue to haunt you south africans on this thread.
the more you underestimate, the more heartache you'll continue to get from more exposure about Nigerian military capabilities.

you better start believing for the sake of your heart cos we won't be blamed for your sudden heart failure.

Oh you mean the same way Nigerians didn't want to believe Helmoed (one of South Africa's most connected defence commentators) when talking about CAR and Seleka? Oh ok . Post an official source showing Nigerian rocket range and I will gladly shut up.

agaugust: you dont need to dare anybody mr.fool, the guardian newspaper source quoted the Epe project site officials clearly saying that the nigerian missile details are secret until our federal government is ready to publish full details.

it also states that the test site has been moved away from the main Epe land base to a more water surrounded island near Epe but cut off from any land access, so that it becomes even more secret. nobody is allowed to get any information for the public......wisdom of a wise nigeria.

nigeria is not foolish like south africa, even the dead Thorgos missile of south africa is posted on internet with 300km range...a dead missile project that has been buried in its final grave, posted as a 300km range missile.....fools of soweto

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And where in that link did you see them talking about rocket range? Hence I dare you to post a link talking about the range these rockets might have. If he was willing to say that your rockets have reached 3km or more why was he scared to say the range had reached 20km or more for example? Fool

agaugust: fool, i defeated you before on this same topic and you bring it up again...bigger fool you now are

there is NO 3km or 3,000 meters altitude amateur rocket in south africa, the video you posted is about 600 meters maximum, use your half blind eyes you soweto fool, that thing went up about 20 seconds and dropped down again and its ascension level in the air is not too far for human eyes to see....fool

if people buy 3,000 meter altitude toy rockets in south african shops and kids launch them into the air any how, one day they will kiss a south african airways boeing 747 at near landing or near take off altitude of about 10,000 feet and send 300 innocent south african airline passengers to the graveyard....you fool

the world record for amateur rocket altitude is in america and it is 1,350 meters only !

World Rocket Record: The Largest, Heaviest Amateur Rocket Ever Launched

Steve Eves broke two world records Saturday, when his 1/10th scale model of the historic rocket—built in his garage near Akron, Ohio—lifted off from a field on Maryland's Eastern Shore. The 36-ft.-tall rocket was the largest amateur rocket ever launched and recovered successfully—and at 1648 pounds, also the heaviest. Eves' single-stage behemoth was powered by nine motors—eight 13,000 Newton-second N-Class motors and a 77,000 Newton-second P-Class motor. (Five Newton-seconds is equivalent to about a pound of thrust.) All told, the array generated enough force to chuck a Volkswagen more than a half-mile—and sent the Saturn V more than 4,440 feet straight up . It was arguably the most audacious display of raw power ever generated by an amateur rocket.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/rockets/4315103

nigerian Epe made missile has altitude 3km and range 120km...fact !!!

now @saengine the greatest fool of soweto-land, let this be the last time i will lecture you on this same old topic, okay ? say yes sir...say it !

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This post just shows the world how stup*d you are and how quick you are to misfire. You fire too quickly just like you do when you're with a girl/prostitute, 30 seconds and you're done.

1. Where do you get 600m from? That rocket was launched on 29th of January 2012 and reached an altitude of 11 480 feet (3530m). You clearly didn't read the description of the video nor did you open the rocketry link to view South African rocket records. Now get down on your knees and apologise fool .


2. No idi*t. No rockets will hit any aircraft because unlike Nigeria things are more organised in South Africa. You cannot launch a rocket in your backyard whenever you feel like it. Launches are carried out on specific days and only in specific demarcated areas. Just like our skydiving zones, commercial and private pilots are not allowed to fly in those zones on those days. Hence the skies are clear on launch days during launch times. You must have a certificate and have written a test to launch certain class of rockets in South Africa.

3. Again fool. No the American record is not 1350m. That record as it clearly states was the largest (height and diameter) and heaviest (due to engine configuration). Where in that article do you see them talking about an altitude record? Amateur rockets in the U.S have reached the edge of space, not a stupid 1350m.

Compare the video of what you claim is the record (look at the size) to other amateur rockets. Which one went higher?

Your video claim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxgMhHOaUSY

Edge of space amateur rocket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYE82kHzFIE

Which one went higher fool? Now bow down in shame.

chris365: now use your fish brain and compare the two pictures you posted.

Which of the two looks more like a guided missile. That's if you know how a guided missile is launched.

stop talking like a novice abeg.

here's an example of how a cruise missile is launched to give you an idea of what Nigeria may be trying to develop


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZlXSOKsxas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwV-JucQktQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbMDvmlyQE

the altitude is not as important as the range

It will take Nigeria 50 years to develop anything that comes close to such systems. So please don't insult engineers from other countries by posting their videos on this topic.

You don't have the ability to develop strategic cruise missiles. Very simple fact. And please don't tell us about 120km....a number given by illiterate farmers/witnesses. Post an official link showing Nigeria with 120km cruise missiles. I dare you.

agaugust: Nigeria is now the second mightiest military force in Africa after Egypt, south Africa is a distant fifth position in Africa, Algeria is third, Ethiopia is fourth position. FACT !!!



the south african missiles you listed above A-Dartar, Mokopa, and the dead out-dated R-darta are all air to air or air to ground launched and altitude is not very relevant. the others, Ingwe has about 30 times less altitude than the nigerian missile. only Umkhonto has a higher altitude, but a far less range....8 times less range than the nigerian missile.

also use your head and think, nigeria is improving its missile range every day with different types of rockets and missiles being built and tested randomly.... nigeria will rain missiles on south africa and re-colonize your chicken hearted soweto republic, nelson mandela will be granted asylum in calabar like charles taylor





all south africa and DENEL combined together have NO weapon with range of 120km that can match nigerian made Epe tested missile...FACT !!!

nigeria has upgraded its Epe base station missile range to 120km.

nigerian made missiles are heading for a final minimum range of between 500km to 1,000km and i can prove that even without any current source...FACT !!!

go hide your 70km range DENEL G6 artillery you south african mofos, nigeria will rain down multiple rockets on your heads from over 100km range away....run run run....run like women...soweto fools

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Nigeria has no single home grown missile capable of hitting any single target, whatsoever. Simple fact.

If you can prove us otherwise post a link for all of us to read. Don't post your fantasy wishes and your claims from imaginary sources.

agaugust: fireworks only fly to altitude of about 30 meters, and one the best 3 world records of fireworks altitude in america is only 300 meters maximum and that is the special mortar shell professional fireworks.....the nigerian missile has minimum altitude of 3,000 meters....10 times higher....and that is the minimum, nigerian missile altitude increases every time the research team upgrades their achievement.

see how much of a fool you really are, comparing 30m fireworks to 3,000m missile ....soweto village fool

the source clearly says nigeria is NOT willing to publish her new Epe missile details and the daily improvements of its performance, said to be possibly higher than the 3km stated. nigeria does not want to start international panic about how far our home made rockets can fly, we attracted too much anger when we asked north korea to share long range missile technology with nigeria, now we have seen that it pays to be secretive as nigeria always believed.

foolish @saengine, you dont know how missiles work, usually their range is many times more than their altitude, sometimes 7 times greater, read below, i am taking back to my classroom today....fool

now see how foolish you are, the south african army`s only air defence/anti-aircraft missile called Starstreak can has a maximum altitude of only 1km....the nigerian missile flies 3 times higher at 3km ! foolish south african, you should be laughing at your country`s British made imported Starstreak SAM instead of nigerian Epe missile which is many times better in range and altitude...foolish soweto village man !

http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23273.aspx

you should be stripped down to your boxer shorts and horse-whipped like a misbehaving juvenile, for you to have said on this forum in may/june this year that the nigerian Epe missile is a big lie, when a honest man like beegeagle was posting its range at 70km last year 2012, while updates were coming from sources that as at 2013 this year, nigeria has upgarded its Epe base station missile range to 120km.

nigerian made missiles are heading for a final minimum range of between 500km to 1,000km and i can prove that even without any current source...FACT !!!

go hide your 70km range DENEL G6 artillery you south african mofos, nigeria will rain down multiple rockets on your heads from over 100km range away....run mandela...run and prolong your life by a few more years....nigerian rockets are coming !!!

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1. Why you are talking about Starstreak is beyond me. Are you now claiming that Nigeria is developing surface to air missiles? Starstreak and Nigerian fireworks are in a completely different class. Infact it is an insult to British engineers that you even dare mention their product while talking about Nigerian fireworks.


2. Who is beeagles's sources? Did he see the launch himself or are illiterate Nigerian farmers such as yourself claiming to see such things? 70km and 120km according to who? I never said the Epe is a lie. I only said Nigeria is NOT launching any missiles with 70km or even 120km range. You are only trying to developing rocket engines, simple. Completely different ball game to guided missiles.


3. You say that "range is many times more than altitude. Sometimes 7 times greater." This is a direct quote from you.

Now tell us fool. If according to your illiterate sources the initial range of the 1st rockets tested was 70km. And the initial rocket altitude seemed to reach 3km. How did this rocket manage to travel 23 times further in range than it could in height? I'll tell you......because there was no 70km or 120km flight, simple. Your so called scientists were firing rockets straight up into the air, like I've always been saying.


SA amateur
https://rocketry.co.za/saasa/index_htm_files/12.jpg


Nigerian Phd
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1309865_NIG_MISSILE_TEST_EPE_jpg9d84c4fb65d7ebb278b8555f7148e1d3

agaugust: show me an amateur rocket in south africa that flies up to altitude of 3km as you claim ...show me source...fool, permanent soweto born fool

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You can go to rocketry shops in South Africa and BUY rockets that reach 3km. Small childish rockets. No need for Phd or masters like they need in Nigeria. You only spend R50 to write a certification test and you can launch. Some of the people that launch rockets are young kids younger than 18.

https://www.rocketstore.co.za/images/products/Interceptor_Overview.jpg

https://www.rocketstore.co.za/userfiles/Marjo%20rocket.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhqUt-mpScE

http://www.rocketstore.co.za/

NaijaPikinGidi: You have to do exactly as I have instructed you!! Paste your comment alongside this link of yours. Put yourself on full record. Can't you ever understand and obey simple instructions? Do as I have instructed young man and be fast about it.

Suegbe buruku!!

Just admit you've been defeated and stop wasting everyone's time sweetheart. You had no problem opening and scrutenizing the link before, now all of a sudden u need terms and conditions.

To sum it all up.

1. Hundreds and hundreds more people have died in Nigerian commercial aircraft accidents compared to SA.

2. Nigeria Airways had more than four (4) crashes (killing over 500 people) which u claim was the record held by SAA. If you dont want to agree with simple facts, go find a big d*ck to suck on.


http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=5N&lang=&page=1

Dana Air (153 dead)
ADC Airlines (96 dead)
Sosoliso Airlines (108 dead)
Bellview Airlines (117 dead)
EAS Airlines (71 dead)
ADC Airlines again (144 dead)
Nigeria Airways (11 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (3 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (53 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (16 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (173 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (87 dead)
Pan African Airlines (57 dead)

These are/were all Nigerian owned and operated air lines. Commercial operations ferring Nigerian passengers across that useless country for a fee.

chris365: south africans and their cunny sense. Or is it that you just don't know how to read between the lines?



even the real altitude was not revealed for obvious reasons which you also gave.

It's shocking that Nigeria could do such on it's own right? Too bad we are not in the habit of "tell it all" and "take fine photos" like SA.

He says possibly higher because he simply doesnt know, not because he thinks its a sensitive issue. 3km wouldnt even have been mentiones in the 1st place if its top secret....he would have said no comment.

There is nothing wrong with Nigerians doing things for themselves. I only laugh when people say these rockets will carry people to space within ten years, or be armed with nuclear weapons soon. Complete delusion. Just shows people have no idea of the complexities involved. Your leaders are used to making grand statements to make you guys impressed, but behind the scenes nothing happens.

agaugust: try ask your junior brother in secondary school to help you read and interpret the rocket/missile report. you need help

that post surely puts a big padlock on your misfiring mouth at last

you were one of the most foolish south africans arguing blindly against beegeagle's report of nigerian missile test at Epe base station.

you told me to stop posting this nigerian missile story but i promised you i will continue posting it because it is very true, i got the confirmation from someone based at the testing site.....i was 100% it was true, only the basic technical details were not available to the public.

now the 3km is the missile altitude NOT the range, altitude is vertical, but range is horizontal or parabolic...you 33% brain south african fool

the report also says there are different rockets of different sizes being tested, and that the ones tested in March/April this year are much bigger than the earlier and for sure they have much more fuel and longer ranges....the details are classified as nigeria is very secretive with military stuff.

the horizontal/parabolic range of the missile/rocket is not disclosed and all details of the nigerian missile testing remains secret/classified for now.

now go knock that your oblong shaped head against that of a kruger park Rhino... if the nigerian missile truth confirmed in newspapers now finally shattered your over-bloated ego

You small head claims that this is all super secret. The height a rocket can reach is just as sensitive as the range it has. If you know what kind of vertical heights it reaches you can deploy your own systems to counter it depending on your doctrine. So if they don't mention range, they also wouldn't mention altitude. Your 3km is the only thing your fireworks have done.....straight up in the air.

NaijaPikinGidi: Post the very same link alongside the list you cobbled together. I want you to take full ownership of your claims. Did't they teach you how to cite sources in University? Let me know when you are done. I want to take you to the dry cleaners!

Is this not the same link you opened the first time when you where talking about DHL, Red Cross, helicopter crashes etc etc. Now all of a sudden you've forgotten how to open it? Fool

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=5N&lang=&page=1

NaijaPikinGidi: From which link? Post the link alongside your story ... or are you too afraid to show the contents of your brain?
No hanky-panky! Shoot straight my boy!

Which link do you think it is? Are u stup*d? The 2nd one which you opened but refused to read. The link you claim i was using crashes from DHL/Red Cross etc etc. Stop wasting my time fool.

NaijaPikinGidi: I have said to you over and again not to kill your brain finally ... don't just copy and paste links ... show some intelligence by providing analysed details here in plain text for the readers to see! It is you who cannot filter data that tries to deceive readers with a dubious breakdown of SA crashes while providing a fraudulent list of non-Nigerian crashes and false casualty tallies. I never knew that in your warped definition of passenger/commercial aircraft a military craft fits-in or that a DHL/Red Cross/Benin Republic/Sabena/Jordanian aircraft is Nigerian My calculator will pop-up a big ERROR message if I ever try to calculate every casualty from every single plane crash that has occurred every year till date in South Africa. I'm not in a contest with anyone to take cheap shots, but I surely know that you have a worse-off aviation disaster history than Nigeria. And that is why for sure ... SAA holds the 9th most dangerous airline in the world record for year 2013. You cannot wish that away! List the crashes involving Nigeria Airways please!

You can go suck your dad's d*ck for all i care. I told you i didnt include those crashes in the list. If i left out Nigerian Air Force crash killing 200 people why now would i include a small crash of a courier company killing 3 people? Open the f*cken wikipedia link which shows Nigeria Airways crashes and read.

1094 is the tally from Nigerian commercial aircraft crashes such as Nigeria Airways.

From that link.

Dana Air (153 dead)
ADC Airlines (96 dead)
Sosoliso Airlines (108 dead)
Bellview Airlines (117 dead)
EAS Airlines (71 dead)
ADC Airlines again (144 dead)
Nigeria Airways (11 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (3 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (53 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (16 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (173 dead)
Nigeria Airways again (87 dead)
Pan African Airlines (57 dead)

These are/were all Nigerian owned and operated air lines. Commercial operations ferring Nigerian passengers across that useless country for a fee.

NaijaPikinGidi: And to the fools disputing Nigeria's long range missile intentions ... there is news here for you:

Nigeria Resumes Rocket Testing
http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-

AFTER an extended hiatus, Nigeria has resumed its controversial testing of rockets at the Centre for Space Transport and Propulsion (CSTP)—an operational arm of the National Space Research and Development Agency (NASRDA).

Dr. Charles Attah Osheku, the new CSTP director and chief executive officer, confirmed Friday, in a late night phone interview, that a series of test firings of experimental rockets were conducted last March and also in April.

The launches, he said, are ongoing: “We are conducting the tests primarily for scientific purposes, but also as training exercises for our technical personal and a challenge to our scientists and engineers, for whom the experience is vitally important”.

A NASRDA scientific officer, who requested anonymity, reported that CSTP has recently launched several rockets “with varying degrees of success”. Some of these, he said, had reached altitudes of three kilometers, possibly higher.

The size and configuration of the crafts, or whether there is foreign involvement, was not specified. The Guardian had, on Sunday, November 16, 2008, reported that CSTP had been secretly launching indigenously constructed experimental rockets.

During The Guardian’s visit to Epe, in 2008, Oluremi A. Fashade, the then Coordinator of the Centre, brought out one of the rockets and released a video of a successful test. The solid fuel missile was about three metres long and constructed entirely from locally sourced materials.

In his interview, Fashade — who now heads Research and Development at the African Regional Centre for Space Science and Technology Education, Il-Ife — said NASRDA would eventually “graduate to bigger and more complex craft.”

Osheku did not reveal the exact dimensions of the rockets his Centre is currently testing. But an earlier interview, with another source, left the impression that these missiles are larger than the ones Fashade had been experimenting with.

Another uncertainty is the site of the launches. At Epe, the testing range was adjacent to the campus of Lagos State University — and may still be.

But when Fashade was Coordinator, he told The Guardian that NASRDA would construct a new launch facility, on a remote island, off Nigeria’s coast.

No one is willing to discuss this now. When the subject was broached to Dr. S.O. Mohammed, the director general at NASRDA, his reaction was: “We don’t want to talk about ‘launch sites’. The Federal Government will decide if, and when, that issue is to be addressed.”

Internationally, rocketry is a sensitive subject, because it encompasses “dual use technology”—instruments that can be used, either for peaceful or military purposes. “Nigeria must, therefore, tread softly,” Mohammed allowed, ” to avoid sending the wrong signals about our intentions, which are entirely peaceful”.

The Space Roadmap mandates NASRDA to develop a full-scale launch vehicle by 2025. But the Agency also has research, training and instructional programmes that are contingent upon rocket development.

This includes a miniature satellite programme, Mohammed noted, whose centrepiece is CanSat— a satellite the size of a soft drink can. It is being developed, with Japanese collaborators, for atmospheric and space weather research.

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For full details of these test ... you only need to be an insider to know.

3 meter long rockets which may or may not have travelled 3km....hahahahaha. wow.

You can BUY better rockets at amateur stores in South Africa. These are the same so called rockets which people on here had claimed to travel 120km during tests. Something i argued against for i dont know how long. And now the truth comes out....hahaha.


Post something interesting 50 years from now. Not these so called Dr's talking abouy f*cken fireworks. What a sham.

NaijaPikinGidi: Desperation incorporated ... South African style!

From your link I can see:
:: Biafra AF
:: North American Aircraft Trading
:: Red Cross
:: Air TransAfrica
:: Sabena
:: Pan African Airlines
:: Flughjalp
:: Canairelief Air
:: Balair, opf. Red Cross
:: Flughjalp
:: Alia Royal Jordanian Airlines
:: Nigerian AF
:: Benin Government
:: Bristow Helicopters
:: DHL Aviation

And from these, it is evident that you dubiously are lumping helicopter, cargo, private, and Airforce crafts into your dubious tally. Something we can do with your South African crash history that would easily surpass the figure you are quoting from your anal tunnel! Most of the crashes are not of Nigerian registered aircrafts and you think you can fool anyone?

Who would reckon with your insanity and fraudulence? Definitely not me! Go lie to your mama and self. How many of these are commercial aircrafts by any stretch of imagination? Cry and try as hard as you can ... your SAA is 9th most dangerous airline in the world!! Confirmed!!

No fool. I specifically left out those because i knew you would say that. Thats why i put in nice big brackets that i didnt even count all of them. The grand total is much much more than 1094. I even left out the Nigerian air force crash which killed 200 people as an example. I only included commercial crashes by airlines based in Nigeria.

So go run away with your tail between your legs. Ive shown you that hundreds more people have died in Nigerian as compared to SA. You asked for these numbers now you are stumped.

Then you skillfully try and ignore my first post where it shows that Nigeria Airways had much more than 4 crashes with 592 dead since 1969. According to you four(4) crashes was the most by any african airline. Another lie of yours exposed.

Different source.

1094 deaths from commercial aircraft crashes in Nigeria since 1941 (I didn't even count all of them).

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=5N&lang=&page=1

And you still think you have some form of point. Go sit down fool.

NaijaPikinGidi: Idiot you are! SAA, SA Airlinks and SA Express are one and the same based on their complete ownership by your government? What part of that don't you understand!? You are fishing in your own troubled waters, and I'm afraid your redemption is in your fragile hands. Stop beating about the bush ... You have not tallied the number of deaths by crashes from South African skies ... When you do, we can talk. Moro.n!

Again fool. SA Airlink is a PRIVATE company not owned by the government. Read this line 10 times so your hollow Nigerian brain can understand.

South African deaths from commercial aircraft:

SAA - 330 dead since 1937
SA Express - zero dead
SA Airlink - 1 dead
Mango - 0 dead
Kulula - 0 dead
1 time - 0 dead
Safair - 0 dead
Nationwide - 0 dead


Nigerian deaths from commercial aircraft:

Nigeria Airways - 592 since 1969
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways#Accidents_and_incidents


Must I carry on? Must I add more? Your one single Nigeria Airways has killed more people than all of South Africa's commercial jet operations combined. Now sit down fool.

And do make it worse you say 4 crashes is most by any individual African airline. You clearly didnt read up on the dismal crash record Nigerian Airways had

NaijaPikinGidi: That's your own stupidity revealed! Prove me wrong! Your logic is on its head!

So you've gone from initially grouping SA Airlink, SA Express and SAA as one entity....which i correted you in. Now you cant prove any fatal crashes involving SA Express, even though you sling their name around.

Then you come up with your own theory of the standard of Nigerian pilots training in SA being better than South Africans.You also dont want to admit that hundreds more havr died in Nigerian skies as compared to SA. Um......okay

NaijaPikinGidi: A fool caught out in his own logic! I guess you rely on a dunce called Craig to make sense out of public information. Did you take a look at the list I put up to show the number of crashes involving South African operated airlines? You continue to mention SAA as if it is the only airline in South Africa. The SA Airlinks, SA Express are all airlines with crash histories alongside the world's undisputed No.9 ... SAA! I posted facts but you post your bedroom imaginations! Google should help you better!

Four (4) crashes is the African record by any individual airline ... currently held by your SAA. I didn't raise the matter of Nigerians in your flying schools! You did! So, why recant your st.upid comment when handed a sound and true response about the Nigerians out-performing your lazy brain South Africans in your so-called schools?



You continue to turn your own logic on its head, whenever you get caught with your leprous hands in the cookie jar! Pathetic jerk you are!

Please do us a kind favour and post a link regarding any SA Express crash (Fatal crash. Not a small incident with no injuries). You seem to be talking out of your a.ss. Only 1 person has ever died in an SA Airlink crash. Now round it all up by showing how many Nigerians have been killed by commercial jets in Nigerian skies as opposed to South African skies. You cant do that because you know it will sink your point. SAA being the 9th mosy dangerous was proven false, so keep lying to yourself it fine.

Um where did you read that Nigerians are out performing South Africans in our schools? Where did you read there are more Nigerians than us in our schools? Our schools being full of Nigerians simply means Nigerian student pilots wouldnt dare learn to fly in Nigeria, and rather come to SA to train. Simple.

NaijaPikinGidi: Is SAA the only South African Airline in South Africa? Nigeria Airways had only two?? crashes in it's history before the government's decision to allow and encourage private Airline participation in local and international aviation ... something South African has failed woefully to achieve. The crashes from 2008 by SA Airlinks and Express both subsidiaries of SAA are known to all so talk about safety to your unborn kids. Your SAA has been adjudged 9th most dangerous Airline in the world so deal with that fact. Until you tell the world why Velvet Airlines and 1Time went bankrupt and collapsed eventually you are all making so much fun of yourselves.

Provide data to back up your blabbing! If your flying schools are full of Nigerians it is a measure of how little your spineless South Africans can afford to train as pilots. It is a measure of how much Nigeria/ns help your institutions to thrive. It is a measure of the superior "can do" attitude, mental awareness and professional drive that Nigerians possess that your lazy asses cannot undergo!

SAA has 4 crashes to its history. Something no individual Nigerian airline has ever experienced. SAA is the 9th most dangerous airline in the world. Officially confirmed!!

Craig posted the lists of massive Nigerian commercial crashes killing hundreds in Nigeria since the 70's. You ignored it because it killed your point. Hundreds more people have died in Nigeria as compared to SA....very simple fact. Google it.

And why does your foolish brain assume that me saying SA flying schools are full of Nigerians mean that there are more Nigerians in our flying schools than South Africans? I have no time for grade 1 logic.

And to make my other point again, SA Airlink is a private company. Seperate of SAA. Get your facts straight fool.

NaijaPikinGidi: Arik Air has not had a single accident since it began operations! So what's your point? Yet SA Airlink and SA Express all subsidiaries of SAA have had accidents in the past four years! Stop fo.oling around!!

Facts must be straight before posting. SA Airlink is a private company that has nothing to do with SAA. They only have an aliance in certain routes, like a lot of airlines do.

agaugust: nigerian army has more computers and ipads or GPS hand held navigators more than all south african armed forces combined together

British Army traditions are still maintained at nigeria defence academy, my friend is a Colonel, he wrote one of his his exams/project papers with fountain pen ink. paper map reading is also very compulsory for nigerian army cadets. Nigeria and Ghana keeps that tradition of hand skills and brain work to make our Armies one of the best trained in the world.

south african soldiers have been spoiled with calculators, ipads, GPS navigators, laptops, etc. when the battery power fails in the bush and their is no supply from base, the south african soldiers will we deleted in the bush....and soweto boys cannot read paper maps well enough....your soldiers will easily get lost in Congo DRC war, thats why Tanzanian soldiers stay in the front and guide the one-eyed south african soldiers

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Paragraph after paragraph and no way to prove it. South African troops still train in basic navigation methods with paper and pencils. The technology only comes after. South African special forces must know how to navigate using the stars for example, as part of the course.

NaijaPikinGidi: In which part of the world did you lose your brains? Oh! I forgot you are brainless and have found it terribly difficult to make any reasonable comments talk less of comprehending simple comments made by others. Now what part of my earlier post below don't you understand? What part of the basic comparison of events using SAA's crash in 1954 as a basis don't you understand? Obviously you are so blind that all you see is a blank page! You are so blind that you have failed to see Dana crash listed below. My list shows that since SAA's first crash in 1954 ... Dana is the most recent (2012). Until you can tell me what is going on in the Nigeria that I live in ... kindly shut up so I can tell you about the goings in your backyard and around the world. The "poor joy" of your SA must be making your so illiterate and delusional.



How also do your explain the recent (year 2013) crashes below that have occured in your South Africa and to South African airlines? You seem to be a clueless idi.ot since you do not know that as of July 2013 at least 4 crashes have occured in South Africa. Keep embarrassing yourself. I hope you are able to read the reposted comments below? Bloody blind bat.

Wow. I knew stupi*dity existed on this threat but wow....this just takes the cake. How anyone can compare SAA safety record to anything in Nigeria is beyond belief.

No large commercial SAA aircraft has crashed in South Africa for over 20 years. Why dont you do yourself a favour and compare the total number of people killed by large commercial aircaft in Nigeria since 1954 compare to the numbers of people killed in South Africa since 1954. I wonder if you're brave enough to do that.

Then you get desperate by posting links of PRIVATE aircraft crashes. Shame. If Nigeria had a big enough culture of private flying, best believe those light aircaft would be dropping out of the sky just like your commercial jets.Show us how many private aircraft crash in the U.S every year so we can compare. No wonder South African flying schools are full of Nigerians....they wouldnt't dare risk their lives being trained by Oku the fake pilot, who is also a fake doctor and fake engineer on the side.

South Africa developing passive radar

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31841:south-africa-developing-passive-radar&catid=48:defence-technology&Itemid=109

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South Africa is one of the a few countries in the world to have successfully developed a passive radar system, capable of detecting both large and small aircraft using only a signal receiver.

At last week’s Aardvark Roost Electronic Warfare Conference held outside Pretoria, Francois Maasdorp, an engineer at the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR), told delegates that with passive radar one only needs a receiver to detect signals emitted by other sources, such as FM radio towers, TV transmitters, WiFi and weather radar.

This makes passive radar (also known as passive coherent location, passive bistatic radar, piggyback radar and covert radar) cost effective, highly mobile and covert. By using several antennas one can use triangulation to identify the location of an aircraft, or by using a single receiver one can use the angle of arrival of the signal to determine a target’s location.

Maasdorp said there were many examples where passive radar would be useful, such as border safeguarding, peace mission support, disaster relief, active war support, air traffic control (ATC) support etc. Replacing or complementing ATC radar in Africa is a very useful application of passive radar, according to the University of Cape Town, as it would be fractionally cheaper than buying active radar systems.

One of the most important benefits of passive radar is that it is covert, as it does not rely on a transmitter that can be detected and destroyed. Furthermore, it is possible to detect stealth aircraft using passive radar. Conventional radar relies on a signal bouncing back from a target – in the case of stealth aircraft, this signal is absorbed or reflected away from the radar receiver. A passive radar, on the other hand, measures distortions and disturbances in the soup of signals in the atmosphere and detects the aircraft in this way.

The market for passive radar is still in its infancy with only a few systems available on the market, but a number of countries and institutions are working on the technology. Maasdorp said research is being conducted at a number of universities, including the University of Cape Town, the University College London, University of Pisa, University of Warsaw and elsewhere in the United States, France, German, Russia, China and others.

Craig Tong, a PhD student at the University of Cape Town, said that the university, in association with Peralex Electronics and CSIR Defence, Peace, Safety and Security (DPSS), has developed a prototype system that can be deployed in the field. During testing, three receiver sites were established in the Western Cape and the system was used to detect airliners at ranges of 150 km. Testing was also done at the Paardefontein range outside Pretoria, where a light aircraft (Cessna 172) was successfully detected and tracked.

A small number of companies have developed commercial passive radar systems, according to Maasdorp, such as Lockheed Martin with its Silent Sentry system. This uses FM radio towers as its source and can detect a ten square metre target at 220 km and track hundreds of targets simultaneously.

Other systems include the Selex Aulos, Thales Homeland Alerter 100 (200 km detection range) and EADS/Cassidian multiband system with a 160 km range – the manufacturer claims it can detect cars and cyclists a few kilometres away.



Thumbs up to South Africa's greatest research institution - CSIR

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Congo DRC....UN force...asian soldiers...they look more like warriors than the south african toy soldiers

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Show us one single link of these so called Asian warriors fighting M23 rebels in DRC. Your warriors havent fired a single shot

agaugust: i wont waste my time do repeat that post of many pages ago, between pages 200 to 350, i posted a very long and detailed analysis to prove that nigeria is the richest country in africa by mineral resources, your south african man @Sithwell had to swallow his rainbow pride after he read that post

only a fool will be challenging a first class accountancy graduate on technical financial calculations

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In May he says Nigerian mineral reserves at 24 trillion. Then he has another figure of 32 trillion. This pretend MBA lost a whole 8 trillion dollars while using his Casio calculator to try lie to people. It's very easy to post a link from a respected institution showing an estimate of Nigeria's mineral wealth. I didnt ask you to post a hand calculation you did on your broken calculator then presenting it to us as facts.

agaugust: a prolonged war will hurt south african economy too bad, you already have an unhealthy foreign dollar debt of $40 billion and no plan to repay it soon....reason your government says it will not send any more troops into Congo war unless UN pays more money to fund south africa....even a small war you cannot fight without fear of getting more broke.

nigeria has foreign dollar debt of only $7 billion, and foreign dollar cash reserve of over $60 billion in two CBN accounts, nigeria is also the richest country in africa in terms of mineral reserves running into many tens of trillion of dollars ....giant of africa

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Thats nice. Now tell us how much SA has in gold reserves. And show us how much Nigerias mineral wealth is estimated at compared to South Africa's.