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agaugust: Roland SAM of nigeria's type shot down British Tornado jet speed 2,400km/hr in Gulf war.

south africa can continue practicing Umhkonto SAM vs Skua Drone speed 1,000km/hr.

Was it Nigerians who shot down the British? Stop taking credit that has nothing to do with you.

agaugust: Nigeria is richer by far, than Yugolsavia/Serbia a poor and backward European nation that is has anti-aircraft missiles of 1960 generation while nigeria has anti-aircraft missiles of 1980 generation. Serbian air defence is actually 20 years far behind that of nigeria. you just post comments from your pooh pooh hole without any research or brainwork and NO SOURCES AT ALL.....fool

show me source that says Serbia test fires missiles regularly before 1997 when war began to emerge. show me source...fool

your boyfriend and lover @andrewza is the one mis-leading you that missiles stored for 30 years cannot work, i challenged him to post a source to prove that claim and he could not for the past 3 weeks, so you like to follow him into the mud pit because he is your boyfriend and you believe everything he says

@andrewza is the same fool that was posting for many days on this forum that south africa has a satellite in 2013 despite all the sources we nigerian posted to prove him wrong, until @msauza and @fighter pilot later confessed the truth and proved him wrong and fraudulent....thats the man you believe everything he says ? you are two joint fools

i have proved on this forum with the weblink war history source of Bosnia war Serbian SAM-3 Smissile victory over mighty american ultra-modern jet fighters that missiles can work after over 30 years in storage....and i have more proofs i will not waste my time to post for some soweto dumb g.oats

stop posting comments if you have no source to prove your claims, let this forum be a little bit reliable and not mis-informing to people.

This is not a conversation about anti aircraft missiles you fool. Whether or not they are 30 years old. When the Serbs fired those missiles at American jets it wasn't the first time in 30 years that those troops had seen one take to the air. It wasn't the first time in 30 years that the battery commander had tracked and fired at a target in 30 years. Unlike Nigerian missiles that have been lying rusting for 30 years, and you still think any of your current seamen have any idea how to use them. Keep lying to yourself, like I said I don't care.

Does this sound like a Colonel who has never trained and prepared on his equipment in 30 years? Keep dreaming.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20051121.aspx

"Zoltan had about 200 troops under his command. He got to know them well, trained hard and made sure everyone could do what was expected of them. This level of quality leadership was essential, for Zoltan's achievements were a group effort."

agaugust: i had 3 weblink sources in my post, you had zero sources in your post, so why should we believe what you write from the privacy of your bedroom in soweto ? dummy

you had 3 links proving absolutely nothing. Hence me saying you are wasting time. For the very last time, a few pages back you claimed that Aradu would fire 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously at a South African Frigate. With all your paragraphs and all your links you are yet to prove that claim. Not one single bit of proof. Instead you post links and paragraphs that are irrelevant to your initial claim. You are the one who posts imaginary figures such as 80% and 20%. Now you ask me to post links which I already have posted, just go back to sleep and stop wasting my time. You think just becuase NATO countries do not know how to produce an good quality dual purpose missile, it means South Africa also doesnt know how to? If Nigeria isn't capable of being the first to produce something that's your problem, not mine.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159


"The Umkhonto IR is reputedly the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL and can engage “eight or more”4 different targets simultaneously, using the ships’ Thales MRR (multi-role radar). Upon launch the missile is said to fly to a lock-on point using inertial navigation. At the designated spot the missile activates its IR seeker and locks on."

LOAL - Lock on After Launch
VLS IR - Vertical Launch Infrared



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_(missile)


"Designed for all-round defence against simultaneous air attacks from multiple targets, the Umkhonto-IR missile is the first vertically launched infrared-homing surface-to-air missile, also the first IR-homing missile to use lock-on-after-launch. Upon launch, the missile flies to a lock-on point, following on-board inertial navigation. The missile then activates its two-colour IR-seeker (variant of U-Darter AAM's seeker) and locks on. Target updates are received via data link, enabling the missile to counter evasive manoeuvres by the target."

solomon111: Fellow Nigerians,there is a report of an "illegal" french incursion into Nigerian territorial waters.
I would like us to debate about the security implications e.t.c.

Blow them up with your imaginary Otomat missiles. Lol

agaugust: there is no military standard rule in the world that says any nation with a 30 year old missile cannot use it.

in bosnia war, yugolsavia/serbia used 30 year old SAM-3 anti aircraft missiles to to shoot down the most advanced american jet fighters including a stealth jet fighter !

i am tired of posting and re-posting the same information. reason why i wish to take a break from this thread soon.


March 27 - An F-117 Nighthawk (Serial Number : 82-0806) stealth ground-attack jet was shot down by a Serbian SA-3 surface-to-air missile during the Kosovo War; the pilot (Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko) survived and was subsequently rescued. As of June 2007, this is the only publicly acknowledged loss of an American military stealth aircraft during combat.

May 1 – An F-16C Fighting Falcon (Serial Number : 88-0550) was shot down by a Yugoslav SA-3 SAM. The aircraft crashes near Šabac, in a rural area of Serbia; the pilot (Lieutenant Colonel David Goldfein) survived and was subsequently rescued.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_combat_losses_of_United_States_military_aircraft_since_the_Vietnam_War

you south africans should stop posting anti-rhino poaching tactics as if its military tactics on this forum

Dont even begin to compare yourselves to the them. Do you think the anti aircraft batteries that shot down American jets had never test fired their missiles in 30 years like Nigeria? Dont insult people by comparing Nigerian standards to theirs. Those men knew their equipment well and were well trained on it. I dare you, go ask the average Nigerian seaman what Otomat missile even looks like....they wont be able to tell you. 30 years in storage now you want to pretend you have a chance. Just go back to sleep.

agaugust: when God was distributing free analytical brain capacity to people, you were in the beer club drinking local beer called koeldrank in soweto.

all Otomat missile placed on board a warship can be fired simultaneously by any warship that is configured to carry it, simple fact with source and it does not have to be written exactly using your own words because the source author does not have you in particular in his mind when he wrote this....

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quote :

"This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard"

source :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat[/size]


the Germans who build NNS ARADU knows it carries 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles for nigeria and it has to be fired according to Otomat engineered standar i quoted above, the Germans are not fools like you south africans, thats why you go to them to buy valour frigates and type 209 submarines because their German brains are superior to yours.

the germans have put on NNS ARADU, the fire control radar that matches the required standard of Otomat missile simultaneous firing, maybe just seconds apart in timing.

if you say any other thing, then you need urgent Trado-Medical help for your B.rain, you may be under serious local W.itchcraft 'thinking faculty' attack.

i posted world standard weapons used to stop anti-ship missiles, with source, and anti-aircraft missiles is NOT an option to be used. if you have become a navy admiral, please prove it to us that you have invented new sea warfare tactics that even NATO navy admirals do not know

my source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile



show me any source, war history, weblink, combat records, military publications, news report or any other credible source that says...anti-aircraft missiles (like south african umkhonto missile) are weapons to use for a warship's defence against sea skimming anti-ship missile launched from the sea surface by a warship...show me....fool

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Again. Not worth my time. It shows you dont even understand your own link. That link says nothing about being able to fire 8 missiles simultaneously which was your original claim. It only says all missiles can be fired (one be one) regardless of where they are placed on the ship. Again you have failed to prove your claim that 8 missiles can be fired simultaneously, and again you have wasted my time.

If your small village brain cant comprehend the fact that technology evolves, then thats not my problem. You seem to be amazed that South Africa has produced a dual purpose missile. Show me which Russian or NATO naval surface to air missile was fired from vertical launch tubes before Umkhonto (reducing the radar cross section of the ship). Show which Russian or NATO surface to air missile had the lock on after launch capability, before Umkhonto. I know for a Nigerian it's almost impossible to understand the concept of being the 1st in the world to develop something.

Msauza: @Agaugust- I see you are confidently making uniformed assertions that South Africa has never produced any manned war plane. The whole world know that Atlas Cheetah was produced in South Africa and not in France even though it bears resemblance of Mirage fighter jet. Tell me did Atlas Cheetah fall from heaven? The answer is a big NO. Atlas Cheetah is proudly South African product and was developed from scratch on South African soil. Who tells China that their products does not belong to them, because the world know that China survive by copying products from other countries. China has even stole many of South Africas weapons and design them as their own where they have even tried to copy Rooivalk.

The AHLAC is another SA made recce and war plane developed in South Africa, irrespective of who assisted where. Nigeria has never even tried anything nor even to copy design of any plane.

With respect to the G5 and G6 Artillery guns those are designed to hit targets at long ranges not to hit your cassava farms. Those Guns are intended to destroy your military establishment by the simple use of coordinates on the map and those guns are very accurate at the normal weather, with the gun is set at the right coordinates, it will take out the target by more than 80% chances. Moreover the G8 are meant to scatter your troops in disarray until our infantry launches offensive to finish off the job from army that is already disorganised.

Cheetah was built from the Mirage airframe.

agaugust: i know that already, most missiles snap up snap down, but there is a difference. anti-aircraft missiles are NOT a standard defence against anti-ship missiles, they are more used against cruise missiles which many times do not skim or hug sea surface and have slow subsonic speed not fast like anti-ship missiles that have about supersonic speed and skim/hug the sea surface.

go back to my post inside your own quote of my words, i DID NOT say umkhonto CANNOT stop an Otomat missile, but i said :


"Umhkonto missile is not the weapon of valour frigates designed to stop surface to surface missiles, you got it all wrong. show us a source that says its is for anti-surface use. it will not perform well in that role and the south african warship will get sunk in that wrong use of defensive weaponry."

i said Otomat could have 80% chance of hitting the valour frigate, meaning the defenses of valor frigate have 20% chance too of stopping the otomat. i am not like you south africans who believe only you have 100% chance of winning. i gave both a chance, but the better chance goes to the Otomat.

there is NO source that says umkhonto is for defence against sea skimmig anti ship missiles. DENEL can make any 3D image drawing they want to sell their product, but let them go try it out in real war and use anti-aircraft missile against a sea hugging anti-ship missile, then they see d.eath enter through the ship's windows.


go and talk to your navy admirals, not the @andrewza navy rifleman you have here.

go through all military records that have technical basis, no weapons manufacturer is marketing anti-aircraft missiles as a defence against sea hugging ant-ship missiles

time for school again my small boy, let me teach you world military standard of defence against anti-ship missiles like the Otomat of nigerian navy warship NNS ARADU.

i have many military stuff in my private files i can give you on this topic, but i wont, no need to give you to much because you never say thank you for what i teach you here that your south african plastic toy soldiers on this forum cannot teach you because your johannesburg military academies are a part of your over-rated south african enclave.

let me use a cheap and public source....wikipedia, and tell you all the things i did not want to tell you before :


[size=16pt]Warships' Standard Defences Against Anti-ship Missiles[/size]


Countermeasures against anti-ship missiles include:


1. Anti-missile missiles such as the Russian Navy's 9K33 Osa (SA-N-4 Gecko)

2. Close-in weapon systems (CIWS), including the Soviet-or Russian-made AK-630 or Kashtan/Каштан or the Phalanx and Goalkeeper. These are automated gun systems mounted on the deck of a ship that use radar to track the approaching missile, and then attempt to shoot it down during its final approach to the target.

3. Anti-aircraft guns such as the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun or the AK-130

4. Electronic warfare equipment (such as SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite)

5. Decoy systems (such as "chaff" - the US Navy's RBOC system), and "flares", or more active decoys such as the Nulka

6. Reduction of their radar cross section (RCS) and hence radar signature.

limit a ship's infrared and acoustic signature.


did you see any anti-aircraft missile like south african Umkhonto SAM on the above list ? NO, big NO


source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

anti-ship missiles are very dangerous, see war history below and watch the video.

Falklands War History 1982 : British Royal Navy Guided Missile Destroyer HMS Sheffield loaded with anti-aircraft missiles could not stop Argentina's Exocet sea hugging anti-ship missile, the ship crew saw it but could not stop it, one single missile sank the warship with one single hit...and nigerian Otomat has a more powerful explosive warhead than Argentina or South Africa or France's Exocet missiles...google it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZu8bvxJs4



source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_(D80)


i am never in a hurry to reply you these south african little fishes, but now, let me answer your question of 2 days ago...



[size=16pt]NNS ARADU can fire all her 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles in one single attack[/size]

Typical Mission - Otomat Missile

In terms of technology and operability, this Otomat missile, while almost unknown the general public having not been involved in a war, presents a very powerful anti-ship weapon and perhaps the most powerful of all modern western anti-ship missiles having a mid course data-link.


No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

This allows for quick reaction times as the ship does not need to change direction to unmask the missile batteries. This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

NNS ARADU carries 8 Otomat missiles at once, if she needs any guidance help, she has a new radar now plus support from nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircraft with sea targeting and search radar with range of 330km


Armament :

8 x Otomat Mk 1 SSM
24 x Aspide SAM in octuple launcher
1 x 5 inch gun, 8 x Bofors 40 mm gun
6 x torpedo tubes
1 depth charge rack

source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aradu_(F89)[/size]




meanwhile, i am getting tired of talking to these south africa dummies...feeling like exiting this forum, not sure yet. these south african mugus just tire me fa!

Utter and complete waste of my time. I'm done with this crap. You can make up imaginary 80% figures in your head if you want, I really don't care anymore. Umkhonto IR was the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL. Meaning the fire control and detection system is superior to this imaginary 20% you give it.

I asked you to show me proof that Aradu can fire 8 missiles simultaneously which you have not done. I specifically said please don't just post that it carries 8 missiles which you have done, without showing it can fire all 8 simultaneously which was your initial claim. I specifically said post proof of the fire control radar on the ship which shows it can fire 8 missiles at the same time, which you have not done. Now you talk about ATR Surveyor. Again you have not shown any proof that it can provide the fire control radar to control 8 missiles in a simultaneous attack. No details, no proof, no nothing. You just type paragraph after paragraph thinking you're making sense when you're not.

Keep talking about your imaginary Otomat missiles that haven't been test fired in 30 years. Keep being delusional. I'm done. Have a good day.

Quest for the Maroon Beret

What it takes to become a SANDF paratrooper. 30 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xsCdTYxHwCs[

[img]http://img1.nairaland.com/attachments/1235904_IMG_2842_JPG0ee522cfd3bdcd4b0b68f12a8a289f93[/img]

Hahahaha......so someone just randomly sent NaijaPikinGidi a picture with two apparent SANDF members in it? How would they know you are interested in such a picture? There is absolutely nothing spectacular about that pic, so whoever "sent" it to you must have had clear instructions to take out his camera when he smells SANDF nearby. Do you tell all your friends to send you pictures every time they spot SANDF members?

Back to reality. That picture was taken by you in Park Station Johannesburg, no one else. We have been consistently telling your fellow Nigerians that your behind is in SA, while you claim Nigeria is better than SA. You really messed up posting that pic, you messed up bad. And why did you take the pic? To prove what? If SANDF members are returning home for a break what is so wrong in using public transport? Are you expecting them to be individually dropped off at home by helicopter? Do all Nigerian troops from privates to Generals drive German cars?

You thought you had a point by posting that picture, but have done nothing but expose yourself.

[img]http://img1.nairaland.com/attachments/1236084_thames5_jpg127444f0015f9528415ebdcc92e4fc4d[/img]


Look at the first pic. Reflection in the mirror. Notice how the person standing behind these two guys happens to be wearing the same head gear as the second pic. Your broke ass was in Park Station, Johannesburg. Standing in the same line as people you claim are using poor transport. What a sham you are to your fellow Nigerians

agaugust: i am de-horning your boasting Rhino piece by piece, i dont rush my things. before i post my source, educate yourself first :

south african navy valour warship Umkhonto missiles is NOT engineered to hit incoming anti-ship missiles fired from warships like NNS ARADU, because the launch tubes of Umhkonto missiles are vertical and fixed that way, built to fire straight up into the air to stop enemy aircraft or enemy air to surface missiles fired from enemy aircraft.

the valour frigates are designed and armed to be more of anti-aircraft defence warship than anti-ship.

Umhkonto missile is not the weapon of valour frigates designed to stop surface to surface missiles, you got it all wrong. show us a source that says its is for anti-surface use. it will not perform well in that role and the south african warship will get sunk in that wrong use of defensive weaponry.

there is a different weapon on valour frigate for stopping anti-ship missiles, but i wont tell you now because you are ungrateful.

NNS ARADU Otomat missiles will sink the valour frigates, i think with about 80% chance of success, and one single hit from NNS ARADU missile is enough to sink a whole ship, the Otomat is one of the most powerful anti-ship missiles in the world.

while your wrongly used Umhkonto missile starts its journey of defence vertically upwards from its fixed vertical tubes towards the sky and moon, nigerian Otomat missile is hugging and skimming the sea water surface and heading to target.

go to data of valour frigate under its photo on the wikipedia page, and read this under list of armaments and learn from a nigerian civilian about a south african warship :

"Surface-to-Air: 16 Umkhonto surface-to-air missiles (mounted in two eight-cell vertical launchers}"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valour-class_frigate

also learn that it is designed to be majorly specialized anti-air threat frigate, not anti-sea threat.

"South African Valour Class MEKO A-200 anti-air frigates"

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/meko/

learn the above lessons first before i teach you about Otomat missile with source in a very direct answer to your foolish question

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

"The Umkhonto missile system provides point defence against high-speed aircraft and missiles at ranges up to 12km. The system provides all-round protection, including zenith, and has a “very high saturation level” through the use of vertical launching, automatic flight control together with multi-targeting capabilities."

"The Umkhonto IR is reputedly the first VLS IR SAM and also the first to use LOAL3 and can engage “eight or more” different targets simultaneously, using the ships’ Thales MRR (multi-role radar). Upon launch the missile is said to fly to a lock-on point using inertial navigation. At the designated spot the missile activates its IR seeker and locks on."



So this is your lesson for me? You clearly know absolutely nothing about Umkhonto missile. Nothing at all. Umkhonto SAM has 40G of maneuverability, meaning after launch it can very rapidly change it's direction you fool. You think it turns like a fat cow? Go back to sleep if you are clueless about this topic. Otomat missiles will be picked up from many kilometers away. Will you be firing them at us from 1m away? No. Your imaginary Otomat missiles will not touch any Frigate. This is the official picture Denel released with the Umkhonto SAM. What kind of targets is it engaging in this pic? Stop wasting my time, fool.

[img]http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sam_umkhonto-ir_scenario.gif[/img]

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agaugust: who is the fool ? you or me ? you that flew damn slow Rooivalk helicopters to challenge super fast F-7 Jets with ultra high speed PL-9 SRAAM missiles.

you that said F-7 jets of nigerian air force are all second hand used from china.

you that said F-7 jet production stopped in 2008 when Bangladesh got its own brand new version produced 2013.

who is the fool ? you or me ?

show us how many of south african navy 17 exocet missiles have been test fired since 2005 when you bought them from france.

both nigeria and south africa do NOT produce anti-ship missiles, we both import form overseas.

ahow us the navy 'rule book' that says any navy that does not test fire its missiles is not regularly CANNOT use the missiles effectively in real war.

show me where in this world, a warship uses surface to air ship launched anti-aircraft missiles like south african umhkonto SAM as defense against sea surface skimming anti-ship missiles. show us. you imagine that missiles can do and undo without limit.

stop writing your private imaginations here, war is not for dreamers, war is not a kiddies video game.

Again....thank you for the essay but get back to me when you have the link of your proof. Umkhonto is a surface to air missile designed to hit aircraft and incoming missile. Excellent system proudly produced in SA. Google it, dont waste my time. Waiting for your link, thanks.

agaugust: you south africans are the ones that thinks people should not have honour. i told you my stand about @andrewza, he is not my 'friend' so to say, but i have to give him honour as a human being when situation demands it, even if i have to quarrel with a nigerian. its up to you to make your own principles in life.

i have called you a fool, but i said if i give you this source, i will call all your family a generation of fools on a daily basis every time you come on-line, and you say yes to that ? unbelievable ! so if you dont have honour, your father and mother should be dis-honoured ?

what is the desperation of you south africans on this forum about nigerian military ? why are you upgrading youirselves from hypertension to epilepsy just because of nigeria's number position in sub-saharan military might only second to egypt ?

why are you south africans so desperate ? what can you do ? pull down nigeria's 3 military use satellites from space orbit because you dont have any satellite in south africa ?

call Epe missile project a lie ? call biafra, liberia , sierra leone conflicts no war ? claim b.oko h.ram defeated nigeria ? claim nigeria will break up into smaller nations in 2015 ? what is driving you guys i.nsane like this ? hatred or envy ? or both ?

Thank you for the essay. But get back to me when you have the link with proof. Thanks. Bye

agaugust: you mean you agree to receive regular insults if i give you a source ? are you desperate to trade your honour ? why ?

i am not a bad guy, i dont see why you should be desperate to this level, honestly saying, wow !

take time to think for few days, you know me i dont rush. yoruba says when your juju medicine is guaranteed you use the charm to k.nock your own head in confidence

hahahahaha.....I thought so. I don't know how many times I must repeat this, I am not that other guy Patriot who believed every single thing that came out of your *ss. There is no honour in this thread. You have called me a fool many times, same way in which I have called you a fool many times. Why now do you feel sorry for me? The only person who wants a few days is you, because now you're panicking. You need time to find this imaginary source of yours.

I showed your id*ot brain that Umkhonto can shoot down incoming missiles, something you didn't know.
You then claim Aradu has magical missile firing capabilities but can't find any source. Go back to sleep. I'm done wasting my time with you.

agaugust: you dont need source to prove that if you have real military knowledge at civilan level of it. you and i should not be arguing military stuff because we are not the same level. you are just a waste of my time. NNS ARADU can fire all its missiles a few seconds apart and it fires 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles that will sink all south african valour frigates, NNS ARADU has about two times more anti-ship missiles than all the south african navy 4 valour frigates combined together.

i say NNS ARADU can fire all its missiles a few seconds apart and it fires 8 Otomat anti-ship missiles.

i can give you the source on one condition, agree that i call the whole of your family a generation of fools everyday you your post any comment on this forum, if i tell you. agreed ?

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Good. I want that source. And I hope your excuse for a brain realizes that carrying 8 missiles in no way means being able to fire all 8 simultaneously and even a few seconds apart. Depends on the fire control radar. Shows us these missiles which will be target practice for Umkhonto SAM....I'm waiting.

Let me repeat myself to be clear. Please don't waste both our time by posting a link showing that Aradu can carry 8 anti ship missiles. Post a link shows what the fire control radar or tracking system on Aradu is capable of doing with those 8 missiles it carries.

agaugust: almost every weapon in the world that has more than one missile is able to fire all its missiles in seconds. eg Roland SAM fires 2 missiles in one second and reloads 8 more missiles every 10 seconds in batches of 2 each. weapon manufacturers have a brain much better than yours. your b.rain has restricted calculative capabilities. every hard thing looks easy to you, while every easy thing looks hard to you.

NNS ARADU has not been wasting its Otomat anti-ship missiles in your dream of regular firing prcatice, do you know the cost of an anti-ship missile ? you think its a cheap AK-47 bullet ? how mant times has south african navy fired its Exocet missiles for practice ? how many will south africa fire for testing in the next 10 years since you have only 17 Exocet missiles imported from france ? you think missiles are cheap like rifle bullets ?

the nigerian navy Admirals and their men have all the 100% needed training to fire NNS ARADU missiles when they need to. there are simulator equipments used to practice war situations for most heavy and expensive military equipments. you dont know weaponry, you just rely on google. go buy and read military books, internet wont take you far.

show me where nigerian navy has been declared to have forgotten how to fire its Otomat missiles on NNS ARADU. show us proof that they lost their skills and knowledge...when they have simulators and are always going to germany for courses and training.

nigerian navy is not as foolish as you are, we have no submarines, yet we are training in Paskitani navy submarines, you think we just waste money ? you think nigerian military is foolish like you are ?

they are learning how to use weapons they dont have, then you imagine they dont know how to use the weapons that they already have. you really dumbo

your internet wont help you, i swallow military books and work among military men. thats the difference between you and me.

show us how an Umknonto anti-air craft missile will be used to stop a sea skimming missile that is hugging the ocean surface while your umkhonto missile is heading for the sky to hug the moon. fool !

there is a way ships defend against anti-ship missiles, i have helped you with this information, you never knew it before , this time be grateful to me for helping you learn about sea combat. go to google and find out the details of what i just revealed to you now, then come back talk to me again tomorrow....and say thank you to me at least for once

I never asked you about Roland you fool. Dont come here with that rubbish "almost every missile blah blah blah".....they are completely different systems. Show us the technical details pointing out that Aradu can fire 8 missiles simultaneously like you claimed, or shut that hole you call a mouth.


Again, like I keep saying I'm not Patriot your boyfriend. You can't keep talking around the point and impress me. If you feel like lying to someone email Patriot personally, don't come lie on a public forum. Every credible Navy on earth with a missile firing capability needs to conduct live firing tests to keep their sailors relatively current on the weapons systems. Not every day, but a few times over a number of years. I asked you when last Nigeria has fired a single Otomat missile from Aradu now you try escape the question by talking about submarines. Just say you don't have an answer to that question instead of panicking and talking about Pakistan. You haven't fired an Otomat missile in over 20 years. Your sailors are clueless in how to use those missiles. You most probably don't even have them any more. Don't come lie here and talk about simulation. Missiles must be fired from time to time, not on a computer screen....in a real life exercise.

[img]http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/images/mm40-01.bmp[/img]

Who do you think is more capable or resupply anti ship missiles, Nigeria or South Africa? Who has fired more practice and live missiles in the last 10 years and have more experienced crew to efficiently resupply? I'm sure some of your sailors think Otomat is type of tinned fish they buy at the store, they've never seen one with their own eyes.

Oh shame you didn't know that Umkhonto can fire at incoming/sea-skimming missiles to defend the Frigate? You didn't know that? And you're claiming to be teaching me new things? Go back to sleep my boy.

agaugust:
when you read the BBC weblink, the phrase "TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER" was too advanced for a your south african brain to decode

Welding is a technology. There are people with Phd's in welding who advise industry on best practices. Manufacturing processes are a technology. There are industrial engineers with Phd's who advie industry on best manufacturing processes and techiques. If your small brain believes for one minute that by 2014 Nigeria will have the ability to design and manufacturw high end sensitive equipment found in missile seekers and radar algorithms keep dreaming. China is only helping Nigeria bolster its ship buidling capabilities. The brain, eyes and ears of ships will be imported into Nigeria for many many more years to come.

And we're still waiting for you to show how Aradu can fire 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously at a Frigate like you claimed. Still waiting for you to show any technical document which states Aradu can fire more than 1 missile at a time. Still waiting for you to show proof of when last Nigeria went out to sea and fired any missile at any target. 1980? When? Umkhonto will blow your so called missiles out the sky. Assuming you still have any left, which i highly doubt.

agaugust:


it is more difficult to build a warship than to build a missile. hope you are smart enough to know that. warships are the largest and most complex military weapons in the world.

travel out of your little box in south africa, go to a world technology forum, open your mouth wide and say ..."a country like nigeria that is building 70% of a modern year 2013 Type 056 stealth guided missile modular multi-purpose warship with full technology transfer from china to be completed next year 2014, cannot build and test missiles"...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18300358


then hear what the world forum will ask you....asking if you came to the seminar straight from out-patient ward of a specialist psychiatic hospital

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You must be confusing me with your boyfriend Patriot. Show us which 70% Nigeria is building. All China is doing is giving you sheets of steel to weld together. Please don't try impress people with your so called 70%. The most complex parts of any warship are the electronics and engines. Is Nigeria installing any homegrown radar system? Is Nigeria installing any homegrown sonar system? Is Nigeria developing the weapons management and control software? Is Nigeria installing any homegrown engines? Did Nigeria do any of the computer simulations and scale model testing of this boat before production? etc etc etc. What indigenous components in this boat are 100% Nigerian? The pots and pans in the kitchen? All the real hard work was done by the Chinese. They just gave you sections to weld together and you came running here thinking it would impress people. I told you I'm not Patriot. Your country simply doesnt have (not yet) the experience and expertise to develop high end electronic packages used in missile technology and electronic monitoring such as radar. Its a simple fact, just face it.

2smooth2shout: stop weeping about our missile program na. fact is Nigeria is working to perfect it' missile technology and have tested many.
unlike your military that doesn't have secrets, Nigerian military is one of the most secretive in the world. we weren't aware of the APC, Defense boat, etc until they were unveiled. that's how secretive they are so don't expect more info than what you've goten so far about our missile programs.

"missile program"......you mean fireworks.

"pefect it's missile technology".....you mean buy more fireworks.

I'll come back to this forum in 2065 when you've developed the expertise to design and build anti submarine missiles. Keep lying to yourselves. Your Generals make big wonderful statements to impress illiterates, but behind the scenes there's not much going on. Who was the General in the air force who said a Nigerian built UAV was the first for Africa? Probably 99% of Nigerians believed him, now they're on other forums telling the world that Nigeria is the leader in UAV technology on the continent. Keep lying to yourselves.

LT SHANGY: Aguagust, i must really confess that you are the most enlightened on military matters in this forum. The missiles being developed at Epe, Lagos are being discovered to be anti-submarines and anti-ship missiles. The Nigerian navy are working round-the-clock to be near-perfectly efficient in naval warfare. Currently acquiring ASW skills in pakistan.

It just gets better. Soon we'll hear that Nigeria has developed rockets to take Nigerians into space. No wait....a Nigerian official said this will happen in 2015. Why do Nigerians lie to themselves so much?

agaugust: listen here you this mumu, no country in the world will post or publish details of its missile program for public information unless it is looking for export market or trying to threaten other countries. if that kind of s.tupid publication of a nations ongoing missile tests makes sense to you, then y.ou are s.enselss in reality

beegeagle never disputed it and he has reputation for honesty and integrity, no post is shown on beegeagle immediately you comment, the man personally reads and edits every single post. nigerian minister of state for defence confirmed it publicly without revealing details.

those who say 70km and 120km improvement say they live around the test area and could ask workers in the base or interact with the people resident around them and share little tips of information, nothing detailed. use your brain to think or you have to be spoon fed before your brain ignites some little gas combustion ?

nigeria never told anybody it produced igirigi APC until it was ready for army use, then you think such country will publish ongoing missile development program in newspapers just to inform one fool of a @saengine ? slowpoke !

the american rocketry enthusiasts source you posted confirms that one of them is the CEO of an american aerospace technology company, and you call that man a without relevant technical qualifications....you really are a dummy indeed

i proved to you two fools @andrewza and @saengine, that fools dont build strategic rockets, fools build christmas firecrackers

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Oh ok so you dont have proof thats what you're saying? Just word of mouth from illiterate farmers. Ok thanks.
So lets all stop asking each other for anymore links because now you're trusting the word of people you dont even know. Prove to me that the people who live around the rocket site werent lied to when they asked about the rocket. Show me proof they werent lied to. You see how hard that is. No credible link, no rocket range simple. Keep dreaming.

agaugust: are you a d.eaf, d.umb and b.lind combination ? that thing has been posted repeatedly, first the 70km from beegeagle bloggers, then the 120km update. who cares what you believe ? you be God ? you are nigeria's supervisor ? who cares about you anyway ? who ?

you promised to come back and prove to me that the american/australian amateur rockets you posted are not built by the technical experts of the USA government registered and regulated rocketry clubs.

you think i will forget ? post the comments you promised to use to thrash me, since you sit down in soweto and know more about america than an american citizen.

And i said last time dont give me so called proof from illiterate bloggers. What qualifications do they have to say 70km or 120km? They saw it flying with their naked eye for 70km? Post a link from qualified sources showing that a Nigerian rocket has flown 120km, otherwise keep your fairytale to yourself. You arent the only Nigerian on here.....if you're too lazy to answer i'll ask the rest. Not forcing you.

Amatuers who assemble rockets on the weekend still produce higher quality products than Nigerian Phd and Masters. They have other jobs. You guys do the same thing day in day out, but stil cant catch them.

Back to milirary stuff.....still waiting for proof that Nigeria has a 120km rocket. All Nigerian posters on here say 120km. Please show us the link that states such.

agaugust: south african mugus

nigerian air defence has been argued and proved best in africa on this forum many pages back, months may/june and we even did simultaion of comabt between south african Gripen Jet and nigerian amry Roland SAM plus Type 90 Guns....nigerian Akash SAM too is coming from India and a total modernization of nigerian air defences has been posted here as a new project just started with sources/weblinks proofs.

http://beegeagle./2013/03/07/india-to-help-nigeria-modernise-her-air-defences-spotlight-on-the-indian-made-akash-medium-range-area-defence-missile-system/

how many times do you want nigerians to repeat same posts ? y.ou south africans here are now acting and looking like b.rain d.ead egyptian mummies in a pryramid g.raveyard

NNS Aradu Otomat missiles will end that south african naval blockade, that is the new matter just arising on this forum now.

begin to pee pee in your already wet boxers

show me weblink source that says Otomat missile cannot sink a Valour frigate.

i have been studying a few vital things about south african valour frigates and i have seen its major weaknesses now

you mugus dont even know that south african valour frigates are specially focused as anti-aircraft frigates and its defences against sea threats are not so good. many warships in africa are better, check our navy of algerian and navy of morocco.

please go and correct all those your r.ubbish posts before i reply you this coming weekend my soweto boys

http://beegeagle./2013/03/07/india-to-help-nigeria-modernise-her-air-defences-spotlight-on-the-indian-made-akash-medium-range-area-defence-missile-system/

https://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_SAM_Akash_Exhibit_lg.jpg

Your useless Otomat missiles will be blown out of the sky by Umkhonto SAM. Please stop talking rubbish on this forum. When last did Nigeria conduct a naval missile test? When last did Aradu fire a single missile? In the 1980's? Now you want to pretend as if your current naval officers will even have the slightest clue how to fire at us. Go back to sleep fool.

2smooth2shout: in photography, YES. But in real hostage rescue and counter terrorism we are way beyond you.

Post recent achievements of zero hostage casualty/injury like i did with SARS. That's how you measure achievements. Not by photography alone.

Your task force is not internationally known to be that good except to gullible south africans.

And your link is about sri lankan special task force.

If you don't know what to say rather just keep quiet.

@ AGAUGUST

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Please post credible proof that Nigerian rockets have 120km range. From an official source, not from what illiterate Nigerians think they saw or thought they saw. Also post the power and engine capability of those rockets. If you can't do that then you have no proof that the Nigerian made rockets are better than rockets made by amateurs in their spare time on the weekends. How many kilo-Newtons of thrust does the rocket in this picture have?

agaugust: when NNS Aradu fires 8 Otomat missiles against the first south african naval blockade valour frigate, you need supernatural power to stop all the 8 missiles at once, instead i will advice y.our sailors say their final pslam/bible prayers before they all R.I.P.


please stop posting your personal opinions on this forum as they are tested and confirmed technical and scientific facts. please stop confusing both nigerian and south africans who read your posts, now show me source weblink that says Otomat missile has average shelf life of 30 years. i am waiting for you

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Shows how much research you did. Frigates can defend against that attack firing 8 Umkhonto missiles simultaneously to hit incoming missiles. 8 missiles can be fired at once you r*tard. With 32 ready to fire at any given time. And show us proof that NNS Aradu has the capability to fire 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously you fraud. Only in your dream fantasy land does it have that capability. Show us when last the Nigeria navy went out to sea to fire a single missile at a target in an exercise. Just one sinlge missile. Now your delusional brain thinks you have the ability to somehow perform anti ship warfare. How many of your seamen have ever seen a missile being fired from deck? Almost none. Now all of a sudden in 2014 they're going to become experts at firing at targets? Keep dreaming.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/SEA/SEA_NEW/umkhonto.jpg

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-30-un-gives-drc-rebels-48-hour-ultimatum

UN sets DRC rebels 48-hour ultimatum


A new UN intervention brigade will be used for the first time to help the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) army set up a "security zone" in the city, the UN said.

A statement by the UN mission in the DRC, Monusco, gave M23 rebels in Goma until 4pm (8pm GMT) on Thursday "to hand in their weapon to a Monusco base" and join a demobilisation programme.

After then, "they will be considered an imminent threat of physical violence to civilians and Monusco will take all necessary measures to disarm them, including by the use of force in accordance with its mandate and rules of engagement".

The UN-proposed security zone includes Goma and its northern suburbs. The M23 launched a new offensive against the DRC army outside Goma on July 14.

"The M23 has used indiscriminate and indirect fire, including by heavy weapons, resulting in civilian casualties," Monusco said.

"The M23 has also targeted UN installations with its fire. The security zone will push these indirect fire threats out of range of Goma. The security zone may be expanded and repeated elsewhere, where it is needed."

UN experts and the DRC government have said Rwanda has supplied troops and military aid to the M23, allegations denied by Kigali.

The United States last week called on Rwanda to end its backing of the rebel forces.

South African involvement

South Africa sent troops to the DRC in April 2013 as part of Monusco.

The Security Council unanimously adopted in late March a resolution establishing the so-called intervention brigade as part of the existing 20 000-strong UN force in th DRC. It is the first time the United Nations has created such a unit within a traditional peacekeeping force.

It was revealed in March 2013, however, that some of the M23 rebels were former trainees of the South African Defence Force (SANDF).

Edward Xolisa Makaya, chief director for southern Africa at the international relations and cooperation department told the South African parliamentary oversight committee in March that over the years, South Africa was "very present" in the military training of the DRC's troops.

SANDF trained three military battalions over the years and that police trained several officers in the DRC.

The DRC's army is fighting M23 rebels in a conflict that has dragged Congo's east back into war and displaced more than half a million people. – AFP, Reuters

Troops from Grahamstown going to DRC.

Some of these troops might see combat in the next 48 hours


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHnexmoyrY