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NaijaPikinGidi: You finally accept the reality of Otomats in our arsenal? The last time you were talking and arguing crap about the range now you are talking of sailors? NNS Thunder must be auto-sailing to Australia? You keep showing your stupidity! We have more than enough manpower for every hardware and fighting craft in our inventory. What we have ... we use ... no cold storage!!

Tell me what I was saying about the range. Let's see if you even know what I said.

Keep talking about your favourite topics of education and aids, and I'll stick to mine.....the actual topic of this forum. Not about to waste time on you.

agaugust: NNS ARADU's world's most powerful Otomat anti-ship missiles will sink that your south african Valour frigate from a far away distance of 120km. fool, your soweto sailors will sink into Hades and their souls will wine and dine with demons after death

40 nigerian navy Otomat missiles, 10 missiles against each south african navy valour frigate...we r.oast your navy like suya and onions

https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4561/01nu31.jpg

They wont get past Umkhonto SAM. Infact they wont even leave your ship, since non of your current sailors
know how to fire them.

Argument over. Finished.

SA troops destroy rebel tank in Goma, DRC. The fight has begun

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UN-troops-fight-in-DRC-after-civilians-die-20130823-2

Goma - United Nations troops in the Democratic Republic of Congo went into action on Friday to battle M23 rebels after at least four civilians were killed in clashes near the flashpoint city of Goma, a UN spokesperson said.

Late Thursday, shells hit the outskirts of Goma, killing a woman and a child, and a rocket struck the nearby village of Kanyaruchinya, killing two and injuring nine others.

The civilians were victims of fighting that has erupted sporadically since mid-July between M23 and the regular army in a region 20km north of Goma, a city of one million people, ending a truce of about two months.

Military spokesperson Prosper Basse told UN-sponsored Radio Okapi that troops of the UN mission in the country (Monusco) were "henceforth engaged alongside the FARDC (regular army)" to deal with the threat.

Leaders meet

South African artillery forces in a new UN intervention brigade, authorised in March to take the offensive against armed movements, destroyed a rebel T55 tank stationed near Kibati, about 20km from Goma, according to the UN.

President Jacob Zuma, whose SA National Defence Force has committed 1 345 men to the UN brigade, met in Luanda on Friday with DR Congo President Joseph Kabila and Angola's Jose Eduardo dos Santos to discuss the insurgency.

Dos Santos said the instability threatened "the peace and security of the whole region".

Three months ago, Monusco declared a protection zone with a perimeter of 30 kilometres around Goma and the nearby strategic town of Sake "to prevent this sort of atrocity by M23 against civilian populations", spokesperson Basse said.

NaijaPikinGidi: Nice ship! Did you see the Nigerian Navy's NNS Thunder as it arrived your Simon's Town Naval Base the other day on it's way to Australia?

The 2nd hand scrap metal heap the U.S donated to you? Yes I saw it

Patrol. SA Navy

https://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/Jerrycan_photo/IMG_8775_1_F146_zpsd8fadd16.jpg

agaugust: learn to accept defeat. Rooivalk is coming to attack and the moment it flew off deck, nigerian coastal radars and TRACON radars have ranges of 500km to 600km and ATR-42 Surveyor MPA aircrafts has 330km radar and has been flying patrols monitoring all valour frigates movements.

air to air combat is different from air to land attack, SRAAM missiles are fired at supersonic speed and PL-9 missile on F-7 is one of the best in the whole world.

accept defeat and stop wasting my time. reason why i am tired of this forum...time wasting south africans who dont know the real art of war.....

Nigeria is too hot for any African country in war, even Egypt will sweat before they beat us ! other countries will fall when they clash with nigeria...go ask Chad and Cameroon why the dont fight us for more than few hours....they run back to their wives and children at home

i have finished this business. any new topic? time to sleep. i was awake all night
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Yes go sleep. Missiles have supersonic speeds, but the platforms from which they are fired can't be traveling at supersonic speeds when firing those missiles. Only the F-22 Raptor has conducted missile firing while traveling supersonic.

There is no rush. Rooivalk will take out artillery one at a time under the safety of Umkhonto. simple

agaugust: fool, the F-7 jet is 3 times closer to the Rooivalk than the valour frigates umhkonto missile and the F-7 jet PL-9 missiles are 1.5 times faster than your umkhonot missiles.

it will take only 4 seconds for the F-7 jet missile to kiss the Rooivalk and send the soweto pilots to Hades

nigeria has 12 F-7 jets and about 10 air force bases along he coast from lagos down to calabar. you dont know nigerian military ? oh no you dont !

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Oh ok and the time it took your F-7 jets to take off and position themselves before firing what where the Rooivalk doing? Having tea? Your pilots are going to take off, track targets and fire all at super sonic speeds? Um...ok then.

By the time F-7 have picked up Rooivalk, Rooivalk is close enough to the Frigate.

agaugust: run away again, you lost based on poor mathematical calculations. i shot down your helicopters.

only Rooivalk is in the Umkhonto shield, but F-7 jet is outside it at 4km from the coast meaning Valour frigate is 16km away from the F-7 jet...hahahha 33% south african brain.

4km + 16km = 20km

we were forced to pass mathematics in nigeria or else they will say i failed with the 80% group. high standard nigerian education. superior to south africa.

thats how your navy will make mistake in calculations when pou fight nigeria....dummy

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And your st*pid brain is making the assumption that Umkhonto is being used to fire directly at F-7 jets. Umkhonto is being used to shoot down any missiles which enter the 15 km arc, protecting Rooivalk helicopters. Like I said unless your F-7 jets are going to take off from the beach sand, Rooivalk helicopters will be much closer to the frigates before you fire at them thanks to the Frigate picking them up on radar as soon as they take off.

agaugust: hahahah they dont teach you dimensional geometry and mathematical mensuration in south african schools like we learn in nigeria.

if valour frigate is 20km from nigerian coast...

there is 5km from nigerian coast into ocean that umkhonto missiles range cannot reach...

then Rooivalk helicopter is 8km from nigerian coast....

then the F-7 jet at 4km off nigerian coast into sea will be only 4km away from the Rooivalk and will shoot down all south african helicopters from visual range no need of BVR missile capacity of the PL-9 air to air missile...


hahahahaha

south african navy is finished

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Not even worth replying really. If a Frigate is at 20km from the coast, and a helicopter is at 8km from the coast it means that there is a distance of 12km between the frigate and the helicopter.....i.e inside the 15 km arc of Umkhonto. Which is the point.

Just like the post you quoted me on, the point is to get Rooivalk as close as possible to the Frigate once any F-7 jets are picked up on rader taking off. Or are your F-7 going to take of from the beach sand? I refuse to get into this debate again...simple

"saengine:

And what is your point? How does your radar having a range of 600km change the point I made above? Your radar can have a range of 5000km, because you have already placed our ships at 20km off the coast. On a clear day they might be visible with the Unclad eye. Point is, unless your F-7 will take off on the beach sand, we can warn our pilots to come closer to our ships once we pick you up at 120km. So Rooivalk will be much much closer to our ships by the time F7 arrives."

Interesting how many years the Americans can keep their missiles in storage before they have to throw them away.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA329324

agaugust: read your own post of June 10, i put it in bold for you above.

your warships are 20km away from nigerian coast, outside the range of valour frigates umkhonto missiles protection and nigerian F-7 jets will shoot down all your Rooivalk helicopters.

nigerian coastal radar plus TRACON air radars will see your helicopters and F-7 jets will do their usual job of interceptors to shoot down all your slow helicopters.

oh ! i forgot to warn you south africans...NNS ARADU has 24 units of ready to fire Aspide SAM anti-aircraft missiles with range of 13km.

no navy in all africa can blockade nigerian waters, not even mighty Egypt.

20km away from the coast. And so what? Rooivalk helicopters can be 8km away from the coast meaning they are still within the range of Umkhonto missile protection.

agaugust: A Darter missile is NOT yet in operation today, remove it from your simulation. fact.

nigeria too can simple purchase C-803 aircraft launched anti-ship missiles and put it on coming L-15 Falcon jets or we put ship launched version of it on our two new Type 056 stealth warships to sink all your valour frigates from 250km away because the Type 056 anti-ship missile has range of 300km and fire control rader guides it up to 200km to 250km range 3 times longer than valour frigate Exocet 70km range missile...so who wins ?

Nigeria wins ! naval blockade ends in disaster for south africa and you loose all your navy frigates sunk in one day !

you see why i can NEVER agree with you that south africa will defeat nigeria in war ? NO NEVER ! nigeria is more powerful.

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And again. No A-Darter or Mistral missiles were ever in my simulation. In fact no Hawk jets were ever in my simulation.
What I posted is here on this site for all to read. A Darter on Hawk is a matter of information. Don't confuse what I post with that other people post.

agaugust: b.loody liar ! you and @andrewza were defending rooivalk helicopters with air to air missiles the moment i flew in F-7 jets to shoot down your defenseless helicopters trying to find and hit nigerian coastal artillery with 10km range mokopa missiles.

if Rooivalk stays within 15km range of valour frigates unkhonto anti-aircraft missile protection, then the valour warships are withing 15km from nigerian coastal artillery and all your warships will be cheap targets that will be sunk to sea bottom under heavy artillery bombardment

reason why @andrewza quickly changed story and ran away with your warships to 50km-100km off nigerian coasts for fear of artillery shells

you spent 3 days doing research to find missiles for Rooivalk helicopter and you discovered that there is NONE in south african military arsenal !

all south african helicopters and hawk jets have NO air to air missiles for self protection. fact !

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Hence I said quote where I said that.

I never put any Frigates at 50-100km from the coast. I kept them where they were. My post on the so called Naval simulation is on this site for all to see.

A Darter missiles are being integrated onto Hawk jets. Mistral missiles can simply be purchased. All integration and technical work has already been completed.

agaugust: it is still a paper and photo project, DENEL is broke. no single sales from Rooivalk helicopter in 25 years.

dude, stop running away from me, i have NNS ARADU fire control radar range and all other radar details with weblink source proof...

now tell us name of the air to air missiles you and @andrewza used on a Rooivalk helicopter to defend it against nigerian F-7 jet...i am waiting

Which units of Denel are broke?

Am I stopping your hand from posting your links? Why dont you just post the f*ck*n links instead of telling me that you want to post them.

Rooivalk can carry (can be fitted with) Mistral air to air missiles. And please quote me where I said Rooivalk will use these missiles to shoot down F7 jets. I said Rooivalk will stay within the Umkhonto SAM's range arc for protection.

https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/whz64/airforce/fc2uav.jpg

Denel FLowchart Stealth UAV concept which later developed into the Seraph concept. People say there is talk of the SANDF re-opening this project as a future deep penetration stealth UAV.

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agaugust: NNS ARADU will not carry a Missile its fire control cannot use to maximum range. Same with valour frigate. very few navy warships have their fire control radar details on internet. try find that of valour frigate, you may be lucky because south africa published all its military capabilities and that is why people like us know the weaknesses and limitations of all south african weapons. your country opens its mouth too wide about its weapons.

ATR-42 Surveyor and Otomat missile are both Italian made nigerian weapons, and ATR-42 has data/communication links installed, posted that on this forum, direct from nigerian defence budget statement, and beegeagle posted the completetion of the project.


you know i dont care about you ? i really dont. why ? you dont know real war. you flew Rooivalk helicopters against F-7 jets and claimed Rooivalk has air to air missiles when actually they have none ! you lied and teamed up with @andrewza to lie about Rooivalk air to air defence missiles that DONT exist ! i dont have any respect for you on military matters.

40 units of Otomat missiles exist in nigerian navy, proved fact.

Otomat missile has maximum range 180km and needs data-link to reach 180km

Otomat missile does NOT need data-link from range 1km to 120km. Fact.

Read source, i dont care what you write again, i am doing a new naval blockade this month and since @andrewza has ran away from nigerian 24km artillery to position all south african warships 50km to 100km away from nigerian coast, i am going to sink mandela's navy at 100km with a nigerian NNS ARADU 120km missiles. nobody is can stop me. period.


now, finally read and open your b.locked b.rain and note the bolded parts below, you CANNOT k.ill the truth :

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"Testing and the future of Otomat

There is no known combat use of Otomat but there were many tests, like the one in 1987, when a Venezuelan Lupo frigate hit an old US destroyer used as target at 122 km, leaving a 6 m hole in it.

Flight took a little over than 400 seconds. In another example at least 8 missiles were bought by US Navy: thanks to a new evasive, final maneuver, the majority of these weapons, called LRAT (Long Range Attack Target) penetrated inside the formidable missile defenses of US ships.

All in all, this missile was and is a very powerful weapon. Without helicopter provided mid-course guidance (especially in presence of enemy fighters), this weapon is still capable of striking well over the horizon. A range of 50 km can be covered with the ship's sensors and missiles like MM.38 Exocet are at their optimum. Between 50 and 120 km is the range that weapons like Harpoon, which have over the horizon capabilities but no data-link update, come into play. At ranges longer than that a target moving in unpredicted directions will give such weapons little or no chance to acquire their target. Finally, over 120 km is where the need for a long range weapon, external targeting platforms and data-linked updates come into play as only with course and target position updating can any long range missile have a chance of engaging a moving target at these ranges "

SOURCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

i will sink all your valour frigates. no stopping me. anywhere 1km to 120km, your ships are sunk by Otomat. also anywhere 1km to 375km NAF 50 jet fighters will sink all your south african navy warships.

your sailors will join your ancestors in HADES

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There you go. This is what you needed to say in the beginning, that you dont know the weapons system capability of Aradu....meaning you dont know to what range Aradu can fire your long rusted pretend Otomat missiles. Instead of posting capabilities of French missiles and pretending they are Nigerian capabilities. You say Aradu will not carry missiles that cant be fired to its maximum range? You mean the same way in which F7 jets carry air to air missiles with a longer range than it's radar range? Try fool someone else, not me.

Now you try and link Otomat missiles with Surveyor aircraft. Another world first by you. Posting pretend capabilities. You think your remote control for the house gate can be used to change channels on your T.V just because it has "remote control" written on it? Those two systems will have to be specifically engineered to work with each other, something you have zero proof of. You can open another forum called "my predent Otomat fantasy" if you want to lie about Nigerian Otomat capabilities.

Oh shame you think i care about you? Rooivalk can carry air to air defensive missiles, fact.

agaugust: thats a sample for you, french warships have their system like in AL MADINAH, german warships have similar system like in NNS ARADU. that is the standard for all Otomat operators of Mk 2. Nigeria has Otomat Mk 2 and the range is 180km.

i was just showing you how little your knowledge is, fact is that NNS ARADU does not even need any data-link for Otomat missile range up to 120km

QUOTE :

Finally, over 120 km is where the need for a long range weapon, external targeting platforms and data-linked updates come into play .

SOURCE :

paragraph titled testing and future of Otomat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat


Go buy plenty body bags o ! i am doing new naval blockade simultaion this month with both sea and air attack from nigeria against south african valour frigates/warships.....am gonna sink mandela's navy completely

And there this fool goes again. Instead of showing us what system Aradu uses (which i have asked a million times) you rather post a "sample" of a French system which has nothing to do with Nigeria. No...you posted that so called sample in the hope that you would somehow convince people that Nigeria has that capability.

It's very easy for me to spot your lies, hence whenever you reply you post paragraph after paragraph in the hope of boring people to death and just hoping they believe you. Lies such as using Surveyor aircraft for data link. Now that you cant find any proof to back that statement up you all of a sudden "dont even need data link". Why make the data link claim in the 1st place? Who were you trying to impress?

The capability of this missile depends on the capability of the ship. Shows us Aradu's fire control system so that this argument ends once and for all.

agaugust: .

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another quote about Otomat missile and that is the standard. whatever number of Otomat you have on board any warship, 2, 4, or 8 missiles, they are standard configured to be fired against one single target in one single attack :

Quote 1

No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the Otomat missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

Quote 2

The ERATO (Extended Range Air Targeting for Otomat) system, used by the Al-Madinah class frigates built in 1980.

In this case updated target information is provided to the ship which controls up to 16 missiles. This allows a multi-ship launch (Al Madinah Frigate have eight missiles each) and single ship control of an Otomat salvo for coordinated attack.

Quote 3

It is possible to send up to six corrections for each missile, and attack up to six different targets at once.

Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat


saudi arabian AL MADINAH frigate is a 1980 warship as nigerian NNS ARADU, both carry 8 Otomat missiles, both can fire all their 8 Otomat missiles in one coordianted/simultaneous attack against one single target or 6 Otomat missiles in a single coordinated/simultaneous attack against 6 different targets

i am going to use NNS ARADU's Otomat anti-ship missile with its superior long range and 50 nigerian Alpha, L-39, MBB 339, and F-7 jets to sink all the four south african navy valour frigates in that naval blockade before i quit this forum.

after this final battle, jacob zuma will have no navy anymore, then nigeria will invade and re-colonize south africa like your Boer masters !


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Your own link shows which navies have the FRENCH ERATO system installed to work with their missiles. Guess which Navy doesnt have it....Nigerian Navy. Again that system has nothing to do with you. Stop claiming systems that you dont have.

Which Nigerian helicopters are configured to work with Otomat data link? Where in your wikipedia link does it say Nigerian Surveyor type aircraft can be used for data link with this missile? You keep making imaginary claims.

agaugust: reason why only one nigerian civilian has defeated ten south african soldiers and civilians in every combat simulation on this forum. imagine what one nigerian military man will do to all of you ?

please join all your 33% south african brains together and solve my war riddle....

50 nigerian jets with bombs and rockets fly at 13km above sea level to attack one south african valour frigate and the niegrian jets CANNOT be harmed by any south african umkhonto missile with range 15km. riddle for those who have combat knowledge. slove it, mandela boys, solve it.

photo of L-39 Jet similar to nigeria's flying very high above sea level and seeing all that's on the open sea below

Notice how he still hasnt provided the effective range of those rockets on Alpha jets yet he still says 13km. Like i thought.

When arguing with that guy you must learn to ask the right questions, otherwise he'll keep on going round and round. Rather ask him to post a list of the rockets and bombs Alpha jets carry and their ranges. This is what i asked him yesterday but he didnt answer. Instead he just decided to reply with 13km above sea level. Where he got that 13km above sea level from no one knows, but he keeps using it in his subsequent arguments as if it's been presented as fact.

If Alpha jets are firing at 13km above sea level while also being outside the 15km arc, it means that Nigerian unguided rockets have a further range than missiles like A Darter and Umkhonto. As an exercise ask him to post the ranges of Nigerian rockets used. Keep asking him the same question and see how many excuses you get.

agaugust: you dont know the technology and operations of sea warfare apart from what you copy and paste from DENEL product websites.

if valour frigate cannot fire Exocet missiles simultaneously, how does it defend itself against 4 missile armed patrol boats speeding up to attack it all at the same time ? they will sink the valour warship, right ?

Now hes jumping to patrol boats. Would boats be shot at with Exocet? If i ever reply to this particluar topic about Otomat again, call me crazy.

agaugust: i dont care how many seconds apart, 30 or less or more. all i care about is that 8 Otomat missiles can be fired against a single enemy target. thats all i need to know.

you too show us source/proof that valour frigate can fire all its 8 Exocet missiles simultaneously in exactly the same one second timing with no intervals at all.

we are waiting o !

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Why ask for proof for something I never claimed. I never said Exocet missiles can be fired simultaneously. I said Umkhonto can be fired simultaneously. I gave you proof with links. You have not given proof with links. You are just making up the number of seconds in your head that you think Otomat missiles can be fired apart. FRAUD!!!

agaugust: simultaneous pushing of 8 missile firing buttons is different from simultaneous flight of 8 missiles tailing each other 30 seconds distance apart.

all we need is to face the fact that 8 missiles are travelling close tail behind each other to attack a distant target 50km away. thats the point.

leave trivialities and face realities of war. this forum is not an english language vocabulary contest, its all about war.

No source/proof of 30 seconds = not a fact
No source/proof that missiles can tail each other = not a fact
you making up stuff to sound clever = fact

agaugust: can we focus on war and stop wasting time on senseless diversions ? i have taught you the physics to prove my point and that is done already.

I wonder what the word "prove" means in Nigeria. You are the one who wanted to sound clever by talking about "recoil". So continue with your smartness. Show us the amount of force in Newtons that 8 missiles would exert on the body of the ship and also show us if the ship would be able to handle that force. It is clear to everyone how you start talking crap when you have been cornered.

agaugust: have you asked him, and he told you that was what he had in mind for not using the word simultaneous ? show proof.



you dont really have many s.ensible human beings in south africa, do you ?

that is what is called wave air attack. 60 jets make 5 sqaudrons. they all take off from an air base heading to enemy target.

only your foolish south african military commanders are the ones who will attack such a dangerous target with only 6 Gripen jets.

it is an intelligent nigerian military commander that will attack a valour frigate thyat can target 8 jets at once, with 16 alpha jets to ensure a victory. y.our b.rain needs upgrade from DENEL.

first photo below is about 16 jets, and second below is photo of about 40 american jets heading for one single wave attack on iraq in gulf war. foolish south african !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_air_campaign

So it's 16 jets all heading to one single target? And 40 jets all heading to one single target? Or 40 jets that will split up and attack their own targets individually or in groups? e.g 5 jets attack radar stations, 5 jets attack air base, 5 jets attack army base etc etc. All 40 jets dropped their bombs on the same target?

I really dont know why I keep replying.

agaugust: ordinary AK-47 rifle gives a recoil. anything that shoots forward with force produces an equal amount of backward force.

who rated south african education above nigeria's ? that ranking source is either a fool or a white racist.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Newton's Third Law of Motion.

i have to take you into my science classroom again as i always do, 95% of all south africans have a 33% grade brain

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l4a.cfm

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Congratulations. Now show us the force that 8 would produce and how that would affect the Frigate.

agaugust: before you run away....answer my question even though you have been disgraced and defeated, try be a man and summon courage...

according to your own source, valour frigate can possibly carry 32 anti-aircraft missiles, but it can only engage 8 enemy aircraft targets at one time. so how will it defend against 16 nigerian Alpha jets including the 12 newly upgraded and specially configured maritime warfare versions flying multiple mass attack ? answer me with proof

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Again. What range will Alpha jets need to be in order to fire rockets at a Frigate? 80km? 50km? 12km? 2km?

agaugust: fool, 8 Otomat missiles tailing each other just 30 seconds apart is a d.eadly simultaneous attack.

your 33% b.rain cannot figure out how short 30 seconds is ?

show us how your south african valour frigate can launch all its own 8 Exocet anti-ship missiles 'simultaneously' without any few seconds interval. you dont know the backward 'recoil' force the ship will receive from firing 8 heavy weight anti-ship missiles in exactly one same second.

fool, you dont know basic science of physics in south africa

nice schools buildings. poor brain students.

Show us where you get the number 30 seconds from? This is what I mean by you just making up crap as you go along.

Show us where you have calculated what force a single Exocet missile will impart on a multi tonne ship and if the force of 8 firing will have any effect whatsoever on the structure. Keep making up stuff, I couldnt care less.

agaugust: Otomat missile is engineered to have all missiles fired agaist a single target by the warship that carries it. NNS ARADU carries 8 Otomat missiles. It will fire all against a single target. That is what the source says, so dont add or subtract from it, leave it as it is, Fisile Bee !

"This allows the ship to fire all missiles against a target regardless of where they are place aboard."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

If you want to know how it does that, fly to Germany and ask the company that built NNS ARADU, it is my business to tell you what a nigerian weapon can do, it is not my business to tell you the engineering of how it does it.





according to your own source, valour frigate can possibly carry 32 anti-aircraft missiles, but it can only engage 8 enemy aircraft targets at one time. so how will it defend against 16 nigerian Alpha jets including the 12 newly upgraded and specially configured maritime warfare versions flying multiple mass attack ? answer me with proof

show me source that says 16 jets attacking one warship is old world war II tactics, show me. also tell us why America sometimes attacks one single Iraqi position with about 60 USAF jets in gulf war.

show us proofs, we are waiting...fake civilian turned 'soldier'

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Nigerian_Air_Force_Dassault-Dornier_Alpha_Jet_Iwelumo-1.jpg

A warship being able to fire all missiles does not mean that all those missiles can be fired simultaneously.That is specifically why the person who wrote that wikipedia quote did not put in the word simultaneously. The first time simultaneously and Otomat were used in the same sentence was by you.

I never said it can't be done, I said which stupid air force would do that. Oh so there were 60 jets in the air at the same time flying side by side to attack ONE target? Oh thats nice. Another one of your deluded "facts".

I asked you to post the range of the rockets and bombs that those Alpha jets would be using, which you have not done.

agaugust: english language is your problem not mine. the source on Otomat missile i posted says Otomat is configured to have all missiles fired againat a single target. so, NNS ARADU can fire all 8 Otomat missiles against a single target like south african valour frigate. the missiles can be fired one by one and that means a vaour frigate 50km away will be attacked by 8 missiles fired one by one at intervals, but they will tail each other and all 8 missiles will be travelling simultaneously at the same time in a long chain/trail/queue but will arrive on target at intervals of some seconds because they were fired at ships command discretion like 30 seconds apart.

what makes you believe valour frigate simultaneous firing of 8 Umkhonto missiles means one button is pushed and all 8 missiles take off at excatly the same second and not at intervals even if its a few seconds ? that is a rare thing because of the effect of backward force in principles of physics and more pronounced for a heavy anti-ship missile.

then what is the point about 8 Otomat missiles fired at once ? south africa has only 4 valour frigates.

then the frigates are not sitting together side by side in a naval blockade, or else its not a blockade anymore because niegrian coast is 800km long.

there is only one anti-ship missile defence on the valour frigate and it is the CIWS gun which cannot engage 8 Otomat missiles coming from front, back, left and right positions in a d.eadly multiple NNS ARADU attack.

Nigeria has 40 Otomat anti-ship missiles. South africa has only 17 Exocet anti-ship missiles shared among 4 valour warships minus the missiles wasted according to you in some regular foolish testing and practice, how many Exocets do you have left since almost 10 years ago ?

one day that secret too will leak out like your 12 Gripen jets that are frozen in cold storage, about half of south african air force best jets are not functioning


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but they will tail each other and all 8 missiles will be travelling simultaneously at the same time in a long chain/trail/queue but will arrive on target at intervals of some seconds because they were fired at ships command discretion like 30 seconds apart.

I'm done with this crap. Talk about completely making up your own system capabilities from your a.ss. You have yet to show 8 missiles can be fired simultaneously at a target, which I repeat,was your initial claim. Now you're talking about missiles tailing each other. My sources showed that Umkhonto can engage 8 targets at the same time, non of yours have show Otomat can. Then you come with imaginary physics of "backwards force". I'm done

agaugust: i know how to help a south african see his own m.ental c.ase at least for a moment.

now to clear the confusion in your tiny b.rain about NNS ARADU firing 8 Otomat missiles simultaneously, i ask you to solve this riddle below, its a small war simulation and i have taught you more than enough on basic war simulation so dont mess this one up again...

south african valour frigate is 100km away from nigerian coast mounting a doomed to fail naval blockade.

nigeria has about 20 Alpha jets including about 12 new upgrades for maritime/sea operations.

valour frigate has 16 umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles to defend itself.

16 Alpha jets attack the valour frigate with air to ground rockets and bombs including napalm.

show us how the valour frigate will defend itself from the above air attack.


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absolutely no confusion has been cleared because you still have not shown that it can fire 8 simultaneously. You just made that up, now all your following links and paragraphs are just you trying to hide it. What kind of st*pid air force would use 16 jets to attack one ship? This is not World War 2. If you allow yourself to use 16 jets, why dont you allow us to use 2 Frigates? Why dont you also post how close those Alpha jets will have to be to a target to release those rockets and bombs.

By the way one Frigate can carry up to 32 missiles in the fire position. Number of missiles in the fire position does not equal the number of missiles the ship has on deck.