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agaugust: are you lost in south african village ? that is NOT an amateur rocket launch photo, a 50 feet long rocket ? show us the story behind that photo it with proof. no country will allow that kind of rocket launch by an amateur, he will get arrested and sent to jail !

nobody in the world can do that without government approval, and no government is stupid enough to grant approval to an amateur to launch 50 feet long rocket inside the country's territory, where will it land ? on peoples head in the city from that long range it has ? what is an amateur building and firing such a huge rocket for ?

even ordinary RPG tiny rocket is illegal private possession in america and europe....did you go to school and graduate ?

we are no fools here my friend, that photo is a huge military or licensed ballistics company project well funded with millions of dollars. better luck next time...dumbo !

http://bayourat..com/2010/09/dr-jeff-taylors-rocket-flies-to-72000.html

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The Proteus 6.5 rocket was launched from the Black Rock dry lake bed in northwest Nevada on 9/25/2010. Photo: Scott Kormeier. BLACK ROCK DESERT, Nevada USA — On Saturday, an amateur rocket built by Curt Newport and Loki Research's Jeff Taylor soared in excess of 70,000 feet into the brilliant blue Nevada skies above the Black Rock Desert floor just outside of the town of Gerlach.

Dubbed the Proteus 6.5, the minimum diameter P-motored flew to an altitude of 72,000 feet and was successfully recovered due to the use of modern tracking technology.

On board were GPS telemetry electronics as well as a video camera, the results of which will be featured in an upcoming issue of ROCKETS Magazine, the sponsor of the on board video camera. The video of the flight will also be made available on the ROCKETS Magazine BALLS19 DVD set when it is released.

"There are many people Curt and I want to thank," Jeff Taylor said in his announcement. "Thanks to Dave Leininger and his cohorts for vital assistance with the launch pad. Thanks to Darren Wright for use of his tracking transmitter. And a big thanks to Steve and Janice Hamblin for putting us up in Reno. I'm sure I'm leaving some people out, but know that your assistance was appreciated and I will thank you more properly after I recover a bit."

This is a still image taken from the on-board video during the flight of the Proteus 6.5 rocket at approximately 72,000 feet ASL. A still image taken from the Proteus' in-flight video near the 72,000 apogee shows a breath taking view of space and the curvature of the earth. The large body of water visible in the image at the lower right is Pyramid Lake. The on-board GPS telemetry payload transmitted position data during the flight and made recovery of the rocket quite easy.

The Tripoli Rocketry Association's BALLS launches are considered the premiere experimental rocket launches in the continental United States, held in the wide expanse of the Black Rock Desert, near Gerlach, Nevada. This year's event, held September 24th-26th, 2010, brought together dedicated rocketry enthusiasts devoted to the leading edge of non-professional experimental rocketry.

agaugust: still i have to keep you in my classroom on compassionate grounds my boy. feel free to leave my english language class if the only language your brain can analyse is afrikaans.

quote where i said in my post that egypt is still manufacturing swingfire missile today...show me that post and quote me.

the weblink source NEVER says the date egypt produced and stopped producing the swingfire, any date you choose to assume is your private imagination at home

also show us source where egypt said because they dont manufacture swingfire again today, all the 1,000 missiles they produced over the years has been thrown into red sea like "pharaohs army vs moses"

you really need a brain scan sir

so because Roland anti-aircraft missile is not being produced again today by manufacturer, then spain, argentina and nigeria have also thrown all their Roland missiles into the dustbin at the backyard of your house in soweto for gabbage disposal ?

i think after your brain scan, do brain surgery....maybe even total new brain transplant

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I have come to the conclusion that you are suffering from multiple personalities. The multiple characters in your head don't know what the other one has said before.

Post by agaugust 6.46pm July 16 2013 Page 513

"you are really dumbo ! britain stopped production of swingfire, but egypt still produces it, get education below

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/abd.htm"



Did you not say that? Now admit to your mistake you fool or go sit in a corner and keep quiet.

When missiles systems reach the end of their production life they are either decommissioned or troops use them in exercises until stock runs out. Just like Britain did with Swingfire......they decomissioned the weapons. You can either decide to keep your Roland missiles in stock and just wait for the day you need them (meaning your new young recruits are not doing adequate training on them) or you decommission. Very simple. Missiles are not like IFV's. You cannot keep upgrading them yourself when the original manufacturer or a license producer does not exist. Do you understand now dumbo?

agaugust: are you sure you dont have epilepsy shocks already because of nigerian missiles testing ?

its a classified project with scanty details available to public. you say no budget for it ? are you nigerian president ?
give us the proof that no cash was released for it. the photos you showed for a foreign test is by a private company in europe or america, company projects are not classified generally, but government strategic defence projects are classifies....only a fool will publish it all for public reading....north korean missile project details is NEVER published, the world only knows when it is test fired and that is all we ever get to know, the rest is reserved for the day of war and combat.

nigeria will not publish details of its strategic missile project to satisfy and epileptic fear struck south african like you people here

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This reply is proof that you have difficulty reading and comprehending. I'll give you a few days to understand what that paragraph means. you can phone your boyfriend Patriot to ask you if you need help understanding.

agaugust: correct yourself, Egypt did not produce swingfire missiles in 1978, the company that won the contract in Egypt is Arab Brtitish Dynamics Comapny established and Formed in 1978 and NO date was given to show which year it started producing swingfire missiles in egypt, no date

you failed english comprehension in school , read quote below :

" Formed in 1978 as a joint Arab-British project, the company [which may also be known as the Arab-British Defense Co.] bas produced well over 1,000 Swingfire ATGM's under British license"

source : http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/abd.htm

so my dummy friend, companies get FORMED, missiles get manufactured, welcome back to school

Egyptian army still operates swingfire missiles today with 200 launchers along with milan and sagger. Educate yourself below my student, go to light/heavy weapons section/list

source :
http://www.armyrecognition.com/egypt_egyptian_army_land_ground_forces_uk/egypt_egyptian_army_land_ground_forces_military_equipment_armoured_armored_vehicle_intelligence_uk.html

there is no photo of 90% of nigerian missile. nobody has ever seen photo of the modern PL-9 missiles nigeria bought in 2009 from china. you really freat nigerian missiles, so you prefer to deceive yourself that they dont exist....but they surely exist to wipe out your south african coward army

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They do not produce the weapon anymore so do yourself a favour and deal with it. Don't make your problem my problem.

http://www.aoi.com.eg/aoieng/factories/abdinfo.html


You do now that site lists euipment past and present. You do know that right? It simply lists equipment that has been bought by that specific country, not whether it still uses it or not. Add to that the site is not accurate. So keep scoring your own goals.

Hezron Lorraine: in the legal word we say,"absence of evidence is not evidence in absence".
That Nigeria isn't quick to post pictures of her current missile technology doesn't mean she's a dead zone in missile capabilities.u guys should please go back to school.

I'm not talking about picture posting forums like nairaland. I'm talking about accredited institutions like Janes Defence. No matter how secret a project is, there is always talk and speculation about what the programme might be. What the capabilities might be etc etc. Forums like nairaland get defence information long after it has been circulated in defence circles. If Nigeria had a budding missile building industry the world would know about it, or know of it.

patriot4: It seems that it is you who won't accept the obvious.
Nigeria having missile technology would crush you !
You can not take that, your precious south africa must be the only one in africa.
I have pointed to many evidences that Nigeria has the technology, and the photo shows an experimental bunker made for the only purpose of the missiles, so it is a project of some millions of dollars, not likely to be a simple amateur rocket project.
What you should get to your head is that the number of Nigerian graduates is bigger than your entire population.
I said that to put you in context because your brain doesn't seem to absorb all the facts.
And Nigerian graduates perform verry well world wide. This is to explain to you that there is no technological point we can not reach. And you saw the documents talking about getting the missile technology from north korea.
We took the technology, but we didn't take the sample missiles because it would have been a proof against us.
We developped on that technology and with our space program and our military engineers.
If this simple logic can't get to your head then I have failed you.
And still with kind words: Nigeria does produce missile.
Now say what you want, I do not care, because if you can ignore logics then I can ignore you.

And Nigerian grauduates blah blah blah....just keep quiet. I quoted that article in bold....Nigeria walked away from the deal. You're the only person on the whole planet who still thinks Nigeria is using missile technology from North Korea. If Patriot knows Nigeria has missile technology from North Korea, then surely the U.S knows. Why hasn't the U.S placed sanctions on Nigeria then?

I know you're answer before your hollow brain even types it. You're going to say Nigeria got the technology in total secret. Absolutely no one knows about it. Hence there are no sources on the internet etc etc. Meaning you are just typing something on your fantasy wish list, nothing that you'll ever be able to prove. Because it doesn't exist. I'm done with your uselessness.

You're using the same brain that claims Nigeria will be producing more jets than France in 5-8 years. So you've shown your mental aptitude regarding defence issues for all to see. You can't comprehend the st*pidity of that comment.

patriot4: Nigeria is following the same path as china, and in 5 to 8 years we will be producing more jets than france.

Listen to this delusional fool . Just shows the whole forum your mental capacity with regards to defence issues. I'm sure there are Nigerians who choked on their coffee after reading this rubbish. Just go to sleep.

patriot4: I know of many amateur rocket lunchers whose rockets are more advanced than your so called missiles.
The photo was a proof of the capability Nigeria has and which you deny.
(and stop taking things out of context, I knew about the Nigerian missile program and I already saw that photo, I just couldn't find it)
Still I fail to get your point.
You know amateurs can make such rockets yet you don't think a whole nation of 170 million people could make missiles.
And given that the nation in question is a millitary might and produces more graduates than most African countries have citizens. A nation that was caught buying missile technology from the master in the field: North Korea.
OK, keep in denial.
One can only notice that once again you feel threatened.
You can not accept good news from an other African country.
It hurts you to see us progress, well you can go and hug a transformer.

1. Please post home made amateur missiles more advanced than Mokopa, Ingwe, Umkhonto and A-Darter. Since you say you know of many. Post sources of these amateur missiles that can track and hit targets better than the missiles I've listed above.

2. Nigeria does not produce missiles. I repeat. You are delving into rocket design and testing, not missile production. Big difference. The photo is of Nigeria launching a rocket, simple. There are many other countries who also have millions of citizens, who also don't produce missiles.....so your population means nothing.

3. Nigeria did not get any missile technology from North Korea. Somewhere in your delusional mind you desperately want it to be true.

4. You fail to get my point because you are a fool. It's as simple as that. You sound as if you are crying behind the keyboard. Trying to make non-existent points.

Nigerian Phd and Masters rocket launch

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Amateur Rocket Launch

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/260783547_e5193771ea.jpg

https://i.space.com/images/i/000/012/585/original/team-qu8k-amateur-rocket-launch.jpg


So please don't come with your 1 dingy picture and think you'll impress people. Maybe you'll impress Patriot.

agaugust: i was not even the first to post on nigerian missile testing site. beegeagle beat me to it first.

you can send a email to beegeagle and tell him he is a liar, he started the first revelation of the nigerian missile test on his forum.

also send an email to nigerian minister of defense of state who confirmed it publicly at nigerian army day celebrations 2012, tell her she is a liar.

nigeria does NOT care to convince anybody about its missile program, all nigeria wants is to use the missile to k.ill her enemies when it is fully developed. simple.

weapons are not developed to convince people but to k.ill people. end of discussion.

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And your small head again doesn't understand that Nigeria is simply trying to perfect rocketry, not firing missiles. You aren't testing surface to air missiles or anything similar. Meaning you're trying to develop more powerful and more reliable rocket engines. Missile testing is a whole different ball game. First learn to walk before you try to run please.

You say you have many Phd's and Masters working on this so called missile. Look at what amateurs can do. No expensive Nigerian test facilities, no massive Nigerian budget etc etc. But do you think these two people will be able to produce an Umkhonto surface to air missile that can track and hit targets? Keep dreaming. Which rocket launch looks more professional.....the Nigerian one with many Phd's working on it or the amateur rocket launch?

http://bayourat..com/2010/09/dr-jeff-taylors-rocket-flies-to-72000.html

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010
BLACK ROCK DESERT, Nevada USA — On Saturday, an amateur rocket built by Curt Newport and Loki Research's Jeff Taylor soared in excess of 70,000 feet into the brilliant blue Nevada skies above the Black Rock Desert floor just outside of the town of Gerlach.

Dubbed the Proteus 6.5, the minimum diameter P-motored flew to an altitude of 72,000 feet and was successfully recovered due to the use of modern tracking technology.

On board were GPS telemetry electronics as well as a video camera, the results of which will be featured in an upcoming issue of ROCKETS Magazine, the sponsor of the on board video camera. The video of the flight will also be made available on the ROCKETS Magazine BALLS19 DVD set when it is released.

"There are many people Curt and I want to thank," Jeff Taylor said in his announcement. "Thanks to Dave Leininger and his cohorts for vital assistance with the launch pad. Thanks to Darren Wright for use of his tracking transmitter. And a big thanks to Steve and Janice Hamblin for putting us up in Reno. I'm sure I'm leaving some people out, but know that your assistance was appreciated and I will thank you more properly after I recover a bit."

This is a still image taken from the on-board video during the flight of the Proteus 6.5 rocket at approximately 72,000 feet ASL. A still image taken from the Proteus' in-flight video near the 72,000 apogee shows a breath taking view of space and the curvature of the earth. The large body of water visible in the image at the lower right is Pyramid Lake. The on-board GPS telemetry payload transmitted position data during the flight and made recovery of the rocket quite easy.

The Tripoli Rocketry Association's BALLS launches are considered the premiere experimental rocket launches in the continental United States, held in the wide expanse of the Black Rock Desert, near Gerlach, Nevada. This year's event, held September 24th-26th, 2010, brought together dedicated rocketry enthusiasts devoted to the leading edge of non-professional experimental rocketry.

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agaugust: there are photos of vietnam war weapons on internet even though no one makes them any more. you really a dummy bro !

and as you were told, a 1940 rifle will k.ill if fired into a man's head. the weapons seleka boys used to defeat south african army are all no longer in production and they proudly win a war

who told you there are no swingfire photos available ? the comments, arguements, and posts on forum yesterday were too many, too long, and too fast and i was trying to read them one by one, so i had no time to look for it....photos below

swing fire anti-tank guided missiles

I said there are no pictures of Swingfire missiles in Nigerian inventory. Meaning in the hands of Nigerian troops. You have pictures of Roland SAM which were purchased around the same time, but no Swingfire? There are hundreds of pics of Nigerian equipment on this site showing all kinds of equipment. You can't find pictures of Nigerian Swingfire because those missiles are no more. Production dead in 1993 and no one to make the missiles in place of the original manufacturer. Website of Eqyptian company which made them in 1978 shows they also dont make them anymore. So just deal with that fact. Your problem, not mine.

patriot4: No problem bro, some tong twisting South africans thought they coul work their "charm". Thanks for all the information. You did a good job.

You must ask agaugust for his number. Whatever lie he tells you, you gobble it up nicely like a big boy. Maybe you two can go on a date .

Ask him why he cant find a photo of the most powerful army in Africa using the best anti tank missile on the continent. From all the hundreds of pics of Nigerian troops and gear on this site he cant find 1 of this weapon? 45 000 of those missiles were produced. He cant find it because no one makes it anymore....done.

agaugust: Turbomeca is still a French company and the engine inside south africa Rooivalk helicopter is made by France. period.

please dont rob France of their Tubomeca engine like you rob CAR of their diamonds .

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Shame we can ship you planks of wood for you guys to use as paddles on your pretend warship if you want. Just give us the address. Turbomeca is still a blah blah blah useless. South Africa can build Rooivalk engines in Johannesburg if it wants to. No need to do so, so we dont. Period.

You understand economies of scale? We dont produce them because its too expensive to do so for no reason. If 1 day we get into a fight with the engine producer and they stop supplying engines, we will make them ourselves at a greatly increased cost.

But for you guys it will be cheaper because we wont charge you for shipping planks to you if you no longer have engines.

chris365: guy you forgot to add this one from an ex marine:

Ian Norton 2 years ago

This makes a mockery of my time in the Marine Corps. RIP South Africa, you were a great country once, but if that's the best you can do for a defence force, you are doomed, and what was that fat ass captain doing in that position, My captain could have kicked anyones ass, that whale would just bounce and hide.

i now see why CAR happened

And what those people commenting dont understand is that these are pre-selection trials. Before being even considered for the navy selection programme you have to prove you're able to swim....which is what you see in the video. Those cadets are not part of the Navy, they are trying to get in. Just like you have to do physical trials to get into special forces before day 1 of training. Compare the people in that video to the Marine Reaction Squadron....big difference.

agaugust: i forced you to realise that both nigeria and south africa imported engines...we both africa level, get it ?

so dont brag about that your half french Rooivalk helicopter here again. okay ?

http://www.turbomeca.co.za/default_files/Page393.htm

Turbomeca Africa’s roots go back as far as 1967, then known as Atlas Aircraft Corporation and later Denel Airmotive. In 2002, Turbomeca France (51%) and Denel (49%) entered into a joint venture and Turbomeca Africa was established. Being now a subsidiary of SAFRAN with its vast experience makes Turbomeca Africa a true contributor to the world aviation industry. Based adjacent to the O R Tambo International Airport, Johannesburg, Turbomeca Africa has extensive capabilities in manufacturing, new assembly and maintenance, repair and overhaul of both commercial and military aircraft engines.


Rooivalk engines are looked after nicely at home. If need be we'll make our engines from here. The facilities and engineers in Jonhannesburg wont run away or be bombed. What will you do? Use paddles?

agaugust: the engine of the south african rooivalk helicopter you posted in photo above is made 100% in france by a french company then purchased fully built and imported into south africa, without it the helicopter is a piece of metal junk that sits on the floor in a farm like fat turkey !

south african rooivalk helicopter has never been tested in any battle. no country has ever purchased it except south africa. only 11 pieces of it exist in the whole world. its a waste of money project and monumental world market failure.

the most advanced attack helicopter in africa is Egyptian air force Apache, no contest.

Nigerian built so called warship is a piece of junk that cant leave the harbour without foreign made engines and electronics. Float like a dead whale without foreign engines.

patriot4: You keep trying to adress me on this subject because you think I am weak on this.
You have been claiming things about Nigeria for a while now. We keep proving you wrong.
I have personnally proved to you that that missile was guided.
Something you said we didn't have.
Now you have in the worse of faiths gone to another claim.
After how man y mistakes will you finally be a man and sy you are wrong and that you know nothing about our capabilities ?
Nigeria has missiles which can do all you said. We don't do things ^partially in the Nigerian armed forces.

Out of interest how did you prove to me?

If those missile weren't bought from outside customers, no....no you dont.

patriot4: Look, I am not a hypocrit like you south africans out here who keep shouting "lie, lie, lie" when they don't understand or when they are just not qualified in the subject.
If you ask me a question and I know someone else is better than me in that subject then i will direct you to him instead of wasting your time by either changing the subject or shouting "lie, lie, lie".
I have proven your dear compatriots wrong several times on this forum. My best tool is logical thinking.
I have also provided several documents to back my sayings, so if I am not to be in this topic (which by the way is Nigerian) then many south africans here including you do not have a place here.

Then lets summarize today's particular topic. Nigeria does not produce missiles. When i say missile i mean anything similar to Javelin, TOW, Mokopa,Ingwe, Umkhonto etc etc. To put it in plain english nothing produced within the borders of Nigeria can track or shoot down something in sky or track and blow up something on the ground. Note im not talking about rockets and RPG's. The key word is track. Dont let your countryman fool you by posting a picture of a rocket. Something that many rocket enthusiasts around the world can also achieve, without degrees.

patriot4: Judging by the trajectory of that object everybody with intelligence must admit it was a guided missile.
What amazes you in this ?
Nigerians are among the most intelligent people on earth !

You've proved time and time again that the topic of this forum isnt for you. Hence you were refering agaugst to answer questions posted to you. You can go and be a patriot in other issues regarding Nigeria. What would an unguided missile trajectory look like a few seconds after launch? You keep confusing rockets, missiles....anything with flames coming out the back and its getting irritating explaining the difference.

agaugust: old topic treated fully on page 342 of this forum, please dont drag us back and waste our time here...sharaaap !

Nigeria does not have the ability to make missiles simple as that. No need to post pictures of rockets which any fool can make. You see a big flash in that picture and you think you can now make anti tank missile, air to air missiles etc etc? Maybe you can send a private message to Patriot because that poor soul seems to believe everything you tell him.

agaugust: so, all the missiles and weapons owned by all militaries of the world from europe to asia to afica cannot be effectively used today if the manufacturer stopped production in 1993 ?

you are really dumbo ! britain stopped production of swingfire, but egypt still produces it, get education below

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/abd.htm

who told you that any weapon in the world becomes useless to all countries that purchased them after the manufacturer stops production ? so south african army milan anti-tank missiles too have become useless since france stopped production long ago ? see why i stopped asking after your sister ? she's gonna be thinking just like you !

i know what i posted, dont compare guided missile with ordinary RPG of seleka rebel. the only guaranty of stopping a guided missile is to track and detect by its guidance system so that it does not maneuver and dribble the mongoose, because the launcher does not fire and forget swingfre, its not radar guided, its flying wire guided to ensure it is always controlled and driven like a jet fighter aircraft by the soldier to gurantee k.illing the enemy target.

i said go read the weblkink i posted for nigerian army swingfire missile, it swings around after it is fired, swing fire swings when fired and manuevers like a snake towards its target at very high speed, it will eat up both your tank and your tanks defences.

i wont answer you again....you need to be on a police vs armed robbers thread, not military topic ! i wont waste my time replying you on anti-tank missiles again. entertain yourself and deceive yourself.

Today you are on a roll

1. Weapons systems (especially missile systems) become obsulete if the original manfucaturer no longer exists, or if there if no one to produce under license. I say especially missile systems for a reason. Example our anti tank Ratels are not produced anymore but can be maintained enough to fire Ingwe missiles. Now if Denel stopped producing Ingwe missiles, or Ratels would be useless. We would have to find a replacement. You can maintain heavy equipment to keep running, you cant maintain missiles to keep exploding .

2. Egypt started production of Swingfire in 1978. Their missiles were being produced concurently with the British. Production of Swingfire is no more. Here is the website of the company in Egypt that produced Swingfire. They list all the anti tank missiles and systems they make. Notice what is missing.....Swingfire. Not on their website because they dont make it anymore. http://www.aoi.com.eg/aoieng/factories/abdinfo.html

3. Is your internet working correctly? Try put your phone or laptop in water and see if you get better sources. Not only is Milan still being produced, SA topped up its stock maybe 2 years ago with new Milan 3 launchers and Milan-ER missiles.

4. And then you have the guts to call yourself a teacher. Swingfire used command to line of sight. Meaning there was a beam (optical or otherwise) pointing at the target. The reason you think it moves like a snake is the missile simply recalculating its position relative to this beam. If you go onto youtube you will see how all wire guided missiles seem to dance from left to right and up and down before hitting a target. The wire simply sends information back and forth between the missile and the sight. Your missile can dance like a snake, jump like a kangaroo, swim like a fish...do all it wants, but when it reaches the target it is pretty much riding that beam exactly. There is no dancing at the end. Then you have the stup*dity to think it might dodge a Mongoose missile, which only fires a few hundreds of a second before impact. Haha...okay.

What made Swingfire well know was the ability for the tracking and firing posts to be in two different locations. Meaning you would need two people to fire. One pointing the beam at the target, and another firing the missile to a point where it will pick up the beam, correct direction and fly to the target.

patriot4: This doesn't contradict what I said. Secrecy implies denial. but it is good that one of you is finally doing research. I don't need to always do all the work for you.

Look at him running to his hole after a bruising. Secrecy implies blah blah blah. Useless. There is no secrecy. Nigeria has no current ability to produce missiles simple. Done.

agaugust: if you think nigerian army does not know how to use their own swingfire anti-tank guided missiles, put 5 people in your family in one car and ask a nigerian soldier to fire the missile on your family, then after the testing, ask your family menbers if they feel anything like a headache or stomach ache


now back to school my boy, i take you again to my classroom for todays lecture.

i first posted video of swingfire missile on page 500 as part of my promise 3 days ago to forum members to post 'general photos' of swingfire missile, i already declared i dont have any photo of nigerian swingfire missile.

so where is my fraud you dumbo ?

my second post of swingfire is to show battlefield use of anti-tank missiles NOT to show a photo of swingfire. the 3 missiles in that second post are not swingfire and i did not say they are. i wanted people to see how real live combat use of anti-tank missiles is done since you cannot help the forum to learn the real art of war, all you do is copy and paste photos from DENEL website you dumbo ?

i shpowed this forum photos to prove my point that anti-tank missiles can be fired from hidden positions in bush or house windows. show me the fraud i committed by sharing that information with this forum ?

all you south africans never help us to see real war situation, all you do is post range and paint colour of weapons to mislead us here and give a wrong impression that war is won by producing and photographing weapons on internet.

sorry to disappoint you, not only south africa has defence against anti-tank missiles, most modern armoured vehicles have it including the super types like BTR-3U, even smaller APC's of modern times have decoys protection. so dont let your south african DENEL decieve you, anti-missile protection has been existing in europe, america, asia before DENEL tried to make one.

lastly, my student, i have to disappoint you again, that your s.tupid DENEL Mongoose hard kill protection system will not save south african army armoured vehicles from nigerian army swingfire anti-tank guided missile because the mongoose detects laser guided missiles by their laser rays and defends itself, but unfortunately for south africa, nigerian army swingfire antitank missile is not laser guided, it uses flying wire guidance and it will destroy all, i mean all south african army armoured vehicles of all categories and all brand names.....

nigerian army swing-fire anti tank guided missile remains the most deadly in all africa !

please go kiss and hug the nearest 20,000 volts electricity tranformer

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Hehehehe. Own goal after own goal after own goal. I said which missiles are Nigeria training with if production of Swingfire ended in 1993? This is why there is now a debate about Nigeria producing its own missiles. And dont talk about Britain, they obviously bought the largest number of missiles and have the biggest stockpile. So you must pick one....either your troops are training by firing 1 missile a year since 1993 or you will come to battle with a big stock of missiles but non of the young fresh troops know how to fire them . I didnt read the rubbish about you trying to explain the picture. You cant find a picture of Nigerian Swingfire Maybe its classified like your secret balloons. Or maybe its an old missile the world stopped making 20 years ago.


Um...can i ask you something? Did you pull that information about Mongoose from your a**? You just felt like making stuff up didnt you? Mongoose gives protection from RPG's, rockets and anti tank missiles. Thats why it can hit an RPG. RPG's are not laser guided, they dont have any guidance at all. The fact that you highlighted that in red must be one of your lowest moments on this forum. . If the threat is wire guided and not laser guided (which it does detect) the missile is picked up as incoming ordinace such as an RPG. Meaning unless your swingfire is travelling at 1m/s it will still be shot down.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/nigeria/

Nigeria Special Weapons

Missiles

 On 28 January 2004 it was reported that North Korea had agreed to share missile technology with Nigeria. Officials gave no details of the deal, including whether Nigeria would receive assembled missiles or technology. Nigeria claimed the missile help would be used for "peacekeeping" and to protect its territory. Vice President Atiku Abubakar agreed to the "program of cooperation that includes missile technology" with Yang Hyong Sop. A statement from the Nigerian Vice President's office said the West African nation's "government would continue to cooperate with the Korean government in the defense sector, an area in which both Nigeria and North Korea had cooperated over the years."

According to Vice-President Atiku Abubarkar's spokesmen Onukaba Ojo in the report " The subject of arms sales had come up at a meeting in Abuja, Tuesday between Atiku and his North Korean counterparts, Yang Hyong-Sop. Atiku had met with the North Korean delegation to discuss buying missiles. We have since discussed the matter with Nigerian defence officials and found that the suggestion had come from North Korea". He added, " They came to us wanting a memorandum of understanding signed with us towards developing missile technology and training and manufacture of ammunition. They were just trying to get us interested, but there hasn't been any interest shown on our side. We are not interested, but we didn't tell them".After the United States hinted at sanctions, Nigeria walked away from the planned partnership.

Mike..ZA:
Morale is high among the SANDF troops in DRC. The parabats were accidentally engaged,by some rebels not from the M23 days back. Today Rooivalk crews were placed on high alert as FARDC attacked and killed some rebels. On the "training issue" I promise you,Nigerians will be trained in SA in the near future.

Dude where you reading about the Rooivalk crews?

patriot4: I only stated verrifiable facts.
(you see, that is how to use the word fact).

No thats how you make a fool of yourself

patriot4: Stop using the word fact. I think you don't know what it means.
And I can verry easilly say that south africa doesn't produce any missiles as well.
Nigeria produces missiles and yes it is a secret technology given that we obtained its new version from north korea (and we risked sanctions for that), and we also don't want our neighbours or other African countries to feel threatened. I remember Kenya crying foul when Nigeria was buying technology from North Korea

Hahahahahaha....cool story man .

patriot4: No need to do so, if you just do what the US did before you: tell the families that the soldier is heading to an other operation field, then give yourself time to create fake circomstances of death of the soldiers (one by one ofcourse).
That is a method which has been used by many armies (especially the western ones) and I think the SADF used to conceal its casualties as well.

And your small little brain doesnt think that this story will be even BIGGER than the original? Examples of headlines....."Was CAR cursed?"....."ex CAR soldiers dropping like flies"......"Mysterious deaths linked to CAR operation".....etc etc. And to add to the stupidity of your suggestion, no SANDF troops have been killed anywhere since CAR. So friends and family (who according to you think their father/son is still alive) havent received a single phone call or text message since the CAR battle. Even more reason for them to start asking questions as to the whereabouts of their loved ones.

patriot4: Read my post again, and this time pull your head out of your a**.
And what makes you think Nigeria doesn't make those missiles or doesn't make an equivalent one. It seems to me that "the supplies" of these kind of weapons need to be made locally or else it would be difficult.

Nigeria makes no anti tank missile. FACT. Deal with it. You're confusing the technology needed to make a missile with a dumb RPG. Post 1 single thread of evidence that Nigeria produces missiles. No wait.....you're gona say its highly highly classified. Top top secret.

chris365: are you reading what you are writing at all. SANDF lost more than 30 soldiers and your government downplayed the casualty figures. simple

And then also payed the wives, girlfriends, siblings, children, cousins, friends, neighbours, colleagues, lawayers, doctors of the over 15 men that never returned. Paid them all very very handsomly because not a single one of the people on the list above have come out to the media to ask about a soldier who didnt return from CAR.