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RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 2:07pm On Nov 22, 2017
raumdeuter:
I have been looking for a topic that discusses this because it's a huge topic now all over, everyday one celebrity is getting accused of rape

To me, I agree with you. I won't categorize them together. I'll rank them

1. Sex with minor,

2. Sex using physical force or weapon to subdue

3. Making uninvited sexual actions towards another like grabbing ass breast or any erotic part of her body

4. Exposing yourself sexually when it wasn't requested

5. Use of position to request sexual favors

6. Overtures and sexual negotiation

1 and 2 are the animals and deserve the worst punishment possible especially 1. It should be life jail or death

3 and 4 should be punishable. 3. Should be misdemeanor 4. Psychiatric evaluation and therapy on how to behave in society or get women to like you

5. Take away the position from the abuser of the position

6. No offence

Nihilist diggz ibime afrodoc2 a40 what do you think
All addressed here:

https://www.nairaland.com/4191144/lets-talk-what-constitutes-sexual/3#62609867
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m):
raumdeuter:
Wait so how's the girl wants my money scenario different from girl wants my job, wants my movie role.

Wants accommodation and I told her I can accommodate if she gives me sex. Naturally she wouldn't have done any of these but because of her limited options she grudgingly makes the choice
Your job is in the public sphere, under public economic laws and regulation. Once you become a business, you are answerable to government and its business policies

Your money or your relationship is not in the public sphere or subject to government regulations.

In your first examples (money and relationships), she wanted something personal that you don't want to give her without benefits and you wanted something personal she does not want to give you without benefits. Both are not things you owe each other or are legally entitled to. So you both barter or waka!
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:59pm On Nov 22, 2017
kay29000:
It is a very complicated topic. Let me share my experience. I went to see a girl... It was already set in our minds that we were going to have sex. So, when I got there, we started off immediately. After a few seconds, she asked me to stop and begged me to leave. I was vexed, and I left. She called me on the phone and apologized, saying she was doing something like that for the first time, and felt somehow. But she then said I should have tried to maybe play with her/smooch her a little, maybe she would have gotten in the mood.

So, a few days later, she called again. And I specifically told her I ain't down for bullshiit. Hope you are sure this is what you want this time? She said yes. So, I went to her apartment again. She always turns the light off before I enter. She was already naked when I entered, and I started off with the position she said was her favorite (doggy), and then, after two minutes she asks me to stop again. So I remembered what she told me on the phone, and I slowed down and tried to smooch her boobs, that's how the girl said, "I'll shout rape o! I told you to stop." I jejeli stopped, wore my clothes, left her house and told her via a message I didn't want to have anything to do with her again.

Women are really complicated.
You did the right thing and she is mad!
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:54pm On Nov 22, 2017
raumdeuter:
I dey o. how's jennykadry
All the babes left me here. Even that amala guzzling ori eja called ifyalways go waka pass and do as if she no sabi me
Ah, she is fine o. Currently on her 8th pregnancy for me.

Ifyalways is bitter about this because she has only had 7 for me, that is why she does not want to talk to anyone. grin
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:52pm On Nov 22, 2017
raumdeuter:
Ok good.

If this was a job in my company or a role in my movie or a favor I can grant

And I decide to ask for sex in return for granting those

Is this coercion and is it punishable
Yes.

It is in the category of my "Inappropriate Behaviour" in a professional setting.

It is similar to discrimination and should be fine-able.
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:45pm On Nov 22, 2017
raumdeuter:
You this man. Where have you been

Ok on this, if a girl needs money and the guy told her he would only give after sex, is that coercion and is it punishable?

If a man threatens to breakup with his babe if he doesn't get sex, is that coercion and should it be punishable
I almost forgot. This motherfucker is DayoKanu. grin grin grin grin grin

How na?
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:44pm On Nov 22, 2017
raumdeuter:
You this man. Where have you been

Ok on this, if a girl needs money and the guy told her he would only give after sex, is that coercion and is it punishable?

If a man threatens to breakup with his babe if he doesn't get sex, is that coercion and should it be punishable
No, it is not coercion except she is entitled to what she is asking for under the laws and constitution.

What you described in there are barter. She is free to give and take OR waka pass.
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:42pm On Nov 22, 2017
chic2pimp:
Hahaha grin grin grin grin Mateeeee longest time man. Where have you been? This forum has sorely missed your intellectual slaughterings of fuc..k.tards, Cretins and Products of Nigeria's failed Education system.
I have purposely been away, man.

This forum has not missed my intellectual slaughterings at all. The owner has intentionally decided it is a business strategy to fill the place with fucktards, cretins, retards, morons and products of a failed education system, so intellect is really not needed or wanted.

You can see the result yourself. That is the mentality of a Nigerian/black businessman for you.

While the likes of Facebook and Amazon that started in roughly the same period have evolved to greater things, NL has intentional evolved to retardation by the owner and moderators.

Utter JUNK! It does not deserve my presence. I am far above it!
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:37pm On Nov 22, 2017
Mynd44:
Yes but is consent drawn by coercion really consent?
It is, as long as you are NOT threatened with physical harm/restraint or threatened that someone you care about would be armed HENCE you still have the free will to say no.

That said, coercion that involves threat of non-physical negative consequences (that are not rape) should still be punishable under the law.
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:27pm On Nov 22, 2017
chic2pimp:
FCu...k Me shocked shocked cool shocked shocked shocked.. Saga Saga The Fuku faka Love machine. Is that really you? shocked
Yes o, my bruv.

It is really me with Sango, Ogun, Yemoja and Obatala watching over me and 1000 babes behind me waiting for my pure fuku faka fuku faka German-machine looooooooooooove making. grin
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m): 1:24pm On Nov 22, 2017
DaddyKross:
Blessed be thy brain, sire.
Thanks, man.

This brain is over-blessed by all the Gods of the Human race in abundance.
RomanceRe: Call Out Those Nairalanders You Miss A Lot Right Now by Sagamite(m): 1:20pm On Nov 22, 2017
ibkayee:
Is that what you abandoned us for? angry

Lol jk, nice to see an old face, most of our generation have disappeared, hope you're well smiley
Nah, cutie.

My brain is precious to the world, I have a divine responsibility to not let NL diminish it. Can't be on a forum full of retards running amok with the support and protection of the moderators.

https://www.nairaland.com/4031250/10-social-media-platforms-consider/2#62610657

I am well.

How come you are still looking 15? You no dey grow? Taking too much of the fountain water Pharell Williams drinks?
Foreign AffairsRe: Robert Mugabe Jubilating After His Election In 1980 (Throwback Photos) by Sagamite(m): 1:16pm On Nov 22, 2017
I am sure cap28 and his band of NL black panther morons would be scrablling for their heart attack pills now as one of their other "Great African Leader" is toppled after Ghaddafi.

Baboons!
RomanceRe: Call Out Those Nairalanders You Miss A Lot Right Now by Sagamite(m): 1:05pm On Nov 22, 2017
ibkayee:
This must be a ghost shocked shocked

Sagamite man I missed you kiss

Lool! No vex I was editing as I went along, that wasn't even my original list grin

Still an ashawo, I see nothing has changed tongue
kiss

I am not only still an Ashawo, University of Oxford has upgraded me to the level of Emeritus Professor in Ashaworism and Womantology. cool
RomanceRe: Snobbish Attitude Of some Ladies by Sagamite(m): 1:01pm On Nov 22, 2017
Guys is it cool for ladies to have a snobbish attitude?

According to the dictionary a snob is person who ignores or rebuff other people

Some ladies are fond of ignoring guys to the extent of not responding to greetings

Weighing up conversation among guys, most of them believe snobbish ladies are proud and pretentious

However, in my current discussion with a female friend, she argues that most ladies with snobbish attitude do so to protect themselves.
She went further by saying some ladies use it as weapon to block out fuckboys who assume that most ladies are cheap


So nairalanders let us weigh into the argument, do you think it is right for ladies to have snobbish attitude ?
Cc thepussyhunter
Cc victornezzar
Cc tahrah
mablie:
This issue has been discussed many times on this forum especially by a great monicker called "Sagamite"(you can search for his name and learn more from his posts).My simplest explanation for this phenomenon is Nigerian ladies are less friendly towards men (especially Nigerian men) than women from other parts of the world
Don't ever accept their stupid excuses.

FACT: Nigerian girls treat you inappropriately because -

a) They are in the selection power position
b) They have options and believe/observe you don't have much
c) They have under-developed personalities
d) They can
e) They lack foresight and think there would be no consequences for their actions

All other excuses they give are mostly crap.

When the roles reverse especially for (a), (b) and (d), if you meet girls like them, do the same to them without any pity.

I always like to see people rip what they sow.

Only be nice to nice girls. F''uck the others, literally and metaphorically.
RomanceRe: Help! A Friend Of Mine @31 No Boyfriend Not To Talk Of Marriage. by Sagamite(m): 12:52pm On Nov 22, 2017
Blesso222:
A childhood friend of mine who is now 31 has never been in love, no guy is telling her I love you. She is good looking, educated and well discipline.

And we are just wondering what could be the problem.
Please help.....
Gerrard59:
Take this advise from a Nairalander named Sagamite:

https://www.nairaland.com/2424042/what-sagamite-been-saying-years#35741615
There are only 2 realistic possibilities:

1) She is ugly.

2) She has a completely stinking attitude.

She has never been in love is irrelevant considering no one has ever loved her or even pretended to love.

These things are not rocket science.
Christianity EtcRe: Help Needed From Atheist Friends On This Website. by Sagamite(m): 12:48pm On Nov 22, 2017
JackBizzle:
grin

Bro, I dey try find sagamite.
Whagoan?
Foreign AffairsRe: Donald Trump Sacks Adebayo Ogunlesi As Adviser by Sagamite(m): 12:45pm On Nov 22, 2017
Gerrard59:
Forget these tribal bigots. All are cretinuous fvcktards.

Are you sure Ogunlesi is also Sagamite the Nairalander? shocked
In my wildest dreams. grin grin grin grin grin grin

Different generations.
EducationRe: 10 Social Media Platforms To Consider If You Are Tired Of Facebook by Sagamite(m): 12:40pm On Nov 22, 2017
rman:
At least 5 are on this thread alone.

In my opinion, I do not want too many Nigerians on Quora...call me selfish.

I cringe when I realise the quality of posts on nairaland comapared to contents 8yrs ago.
I leanrt a lot on nairaland then. Now, I am even reluctant to share a view or knowledge I know is correct because of insults here and there.

Gbawe
Harakiri
Sisikill
Ajanlekoko
Beaf
Sagamite

are a few posters I could remeber that always make intelligent contributions

Now all we have is tribalistic folks and kids that insults.
Remove the cretinous Beaf from that list and then you would have a potent list!

Seun has successfully turned the forum into United Retardom!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Evolution: What's Your Take On It? by Sagamite(m): 12:37pm On Nov 22, 2017
MiddleDimension:
ubenedictus, joagbaje, donnie, seun, sagamite and fratermathy you all can come in here and let us know what you think
I agree with your openning lines.

I can definitely say anyone that disagrees with it is just an idiot.

Religious explanations as, we have them, are moronic.
RomanceRe: Call Out Those Nairalanders You Miss A Lot Right Now by Sagamite(m): 12:35pm On Nov 22, 2017
oliidell:
I doubt if they are still within earshot.

Way back:

Ileke-Idi
Kobojunkie
Odunnu
Dayokanu
Sagamite
Jarus
Beaf
190
Sexxkillz
Onila...lol
Ogugua88
Lola.luv/lolaluv1

Recent:

Idowuogbo...always wonder what became of her.

Slimyem
Naptu2
Modath

Yuzedo
Adaobi123
Explorers
Caracta
Smellymouth
KevinDein:
Coogar
Sagamite
Crackhouse
Yuzedo

Top guys...
Salute!!!

https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX3414070.jpg
RomanceRe: Call Out Those Nairalanders You Miss A Lot Right Now by Sagamite(m): 12:26pm On Nov 22, 2017
ibkayee:
kiss

Lol oh he did? I suspect a few older members now probably just operate under new monickers

Lol TOH was hilarious

Lool

Yeah I can imagine

Lol she has millions, forgot about Sauron sha, Sagamite too actually
Una see another one that forgot at first and only remembered fuku-faka King after someone else mentioned me?

This one is not even cyber girlfriend, she was supposed to be my cyber golden-goose hooking me up with all her girlfriends and church girls as she famously promised me.

Till today, she has hooked me up with Zilt. Not a single of her friends is now my babymama or been pregnant for me. And I am known not to waste time in that area. I am the Shoot-Score nigga! angry
RomanceRe: Call Out Those Nairalanders You Miss A Lot Right Now by Sagamite(m): 12:21pm On Nov 22, 2017
khiaa:
Buncherstabb, Chucky234, Francizy, Sagamite., and Alezy I miss you everyday that you are not here.
You don't miss me, stop lying! angry

You finally remembered me today. All these fake "caring cyber girlfriends" that keep pretending they care about me when they don't even remember me most times despite being the finest gaddam nigga on planet Earth. angry tongue
RomanceRe: The Myth Of Unconditional Love by Sagamite(m):
There is nothing like unconditional love. That is mere fairy tales of nonsense.
RomanceRe: Lets Talk About What Constitutes Sexual Harrassment And Rape by Sagamite(m):
Mynd44:
Is there a need to call this "men's corner" or other forms of couch group counselling sessions? Lets just gist and talk.

I mentioned "men's corner" because men are the most likely to rape and more than 90% of rape cases have involved men being the aggressor.

From http://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape,



So basically consent right? But is it all about consent?

Imagine a lady comes to visit you and at 1am, you ask her for sex. She turns you down and you threaten to throw her out knowing well that she has nowhere to go at that time and she is also in danger if she does and because of that, she agrees, is that consent?

Imagine the Manager asking one of the receptionists for sex with the receptionist knowing well that she is at risk of losing her job so she agrees. Is that consent?

Your girl visits you, you make those romantic moves but she was not all for it and says no so you "lockup" two hours later, you take her out, buy her drinks and when you are both home, you have sex with her, she probably even took your shirt off for you but is that consent?

You are a civil servant and someone wants a file submitted but you tell her to come see you in the photocopy room first, she agrees but is that consent?

We as men need to do better. We need to drop the bullshit and rise about it.

A girl is walking down the road and you and your friends turn it into a chance to make unsavory noises cos you think they are compliments…but isnt that harassment?

You have convinced yourself that women say no but mean yes. Bruh, dont play that game……no does not and will not mean yes. Even silence does not mean yes. Because she is wet is not even mean consent. What's the worst that can happen if you dont have sex when turned on?


Can we discuss this more? Lets be better for our women and maybe the world will be a lil bit better
This is a prevalent issue taking place in the UK, where stupid c*nt SJWs and Liberals are bastardising the meaning of "harassment" to suit their nonsense anti-men (misandry) activities as usual.

These morons have turned putting a hand on a woman you know's knees as "sexual harassment", but of course if she puts a hand on your knee it is not. Moronic bastards!

Here is the hierarchy of how it should work in the law for your benefit:

1) Rape - The act of non-consensually putting your sex organ in (or on) the 3 sexual orifices (mouth, anus and pussssssy) of someone else.

2) Sexual Assault - The act of non-consensually touching the sex organs and primary attraction tools of someone else.

3) Sexual Harassment - The repeated act of unwanted sexual proposition after the intended target has clearly expresses their lack of interest/annoyance, worse still, if there is a threat of consequences if they don't acquiesce.

4) Inappropriate behaviour - The act of (i) non-consensually touching someone sexually (in parts that are not their sex organs or attraction tools) repeatly, (ii) exposing ones self to another person who you have no prior consensual intimacy with or (iii) talking sexually to a person who is not interested, and who you have no prior consensual intimacy with, in a PROFESSIONAL setting.

5) Unwanted advances - The act of (i) attempting to woo someone by approaching them verbally, (ii) attempting to woo someone by touching them non-aggressively in a non-sexual organ part of their anatomy ONCE or (iii) sexually propositioning someone until the point they express firm lack of interest/annoyance.


No 1 to 3 should be criminal offences.

For No 4, the naked bit (4ii) should be a light criminal offence while the other 2 should be a caution at best if needed.

No 5 is not a criminal offence and part of life everyone should get used to, otherwise they are free to commit suicide.

Both men and women should be guilty of all if they occur. Not only men as some c*nts would want it to be.
FamilyRe: Where Is Idowuogbo??? by Sagamite(m): 3:12pm On Jan 01, 2017
Coldfeets:
Where is sagamite?

I'm missing that nigga with his insightful views so much.

But if the dude is no longer nairalanding, I think I am intellectually capable enough to step into his shoes.

What do you say you cretinous fucktards?
Chop:

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PoliticsRe: Adebayo Ogunlesi: 7 Things You Should Know About Nigerian Appointed By Trump by Sagamite(m): 3:09pm On Jan 01, 2017
Gerrard59:
Are you saying Mr. Adebayo is Sagamite? shocked shocked

Wow!!!!! He's a boss. Missed his posts.


Fvcktards grin grin
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CultureRe: Feminism: Operationally Contradictory? by Sagamite(m): 3:07pm On Jan 01, 2017
solbil:
can't believe people are still argueing this issue when the greatest authorities on the feminism issue, Sagamite and Craziebone as well as Timbuktou hasve given their verdict on the issue.

Can this debate stop already!
Your head is on point!

Don't let me start on these mostly irritating cretins called feminists. angry
RomanceRe: Tag And Ask by Sagamite(m): 3:04pm On Jan 01, 2017
Tamee:
Hello baby. suddenly remembered you after a whole year and had to log in embarassed Love you much kiss

Stfuareyougod smiley how are you, missed you.

Sagamite, thinking of you.
Hey, cutie.

Are you of age now? tongue

I am not ending up in Kirikiri in the name of Jesus. grin
FamilyRe: Girls night out discussions by Sagamite(m): 3:02pm On Jan 01, 2017
EfemenaXY:
Where is my sagalicious Sagamite? I miss that dude. cry cry
Happy New Year, babes. wink
Foreign AffairsRe: Panama Papers Expos; Iceland's Prime Minister Resigns. by Sagamite(m): 7:46pm On Apr 05, 2016
Compare this to black monkeys and their leaders like Jacob Zuma.

Then fuuktards like cap28 would come here and blame the white man after blacks destroy their countries.
PoliticsRe: 160 Fuel Tankers Allocated To The North, 40 To The South-West by Sagamite(m): 7:43pm On Apr 05, 2016
benedictnsi:
You dey surprisedhuh



It's called NORTHOCRACY
vanndubi:
Na so. What else can we expect? When he said: "You cannot expect me to treat a constituency that gave me 97% this same way with the constituency that gave me 5%", I knew it was time to brace up for the worst.

God is watching in 4d.
SleekMallam:
Going by Mr President analogy of giving 97% to his northern constituency, the south only deserves just 6 trucks from a total of 200.97%vs 3%. Buhari should be appreciated for backtracking and giving more than the 3% deserves. God richly reward Mr President. Amin Allah.
theshadyexpress:
this is just pathetic,if this is not corruption then what do we call it?

Buhari is just setting the stage for national inter ethnic grand standing that is long overdue, but i hope he knows it will not spare him
Pidggin:
Buhari is 100% tribalistic, what a leader sad
drss:
not surprised. d dullard has always been a nepotic leader.
Jirate:
The Self Acclaimed Saviour of the North.
Nnemuka:
you expect 5% to have more petrol compared to 97%?
abi because yoruba people gave him mere 500,000 votes makes them part of 97%? you must be joking.
gabazin080:
What do you expect when there brother is the president.

Buhari is a dullard
Buhari is slow
Buhari is a tribalist


Zombies will come out and defend him now
ShowYourCertificate:
Population of people or population of vehicles/generators?

#ZombieSense
I am sure probably half of you are cretinous agents of "Corruption Fighting Back", who are paid to come and whip up public annoyance by the people who destroyed your life.

Lets pack that for now. Let me focus on the **** who have been whipped up.

Apart from the news being from an unreliable set of cretins calling themselves journalists, do any of you fuuktards think Capital Oil or other distributers are owned by the government?

Even if this news was through, and so what?

If a private company chooses to transport his products to a certain region to cell, what is your business?

They are not free to take their products to wherever they deem it fit to sell and profit from?

If they are going to spend their thousands of dollars to transport to place where it cannot sell or does not profit them, is it you that will lose your money?

****

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