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lawani:
the Yoruba spoken in the Benin empire was the dialect in owo today. I know ewuare is Yoruba for danger will pass over and eweka is owomika meaning I can't handle it. A former oba was also named ogun. Many of the names have meanings in Yoruba.

OgboAto:
No one, I mean no one is interested in your $2K. Spend it on getting a better education.
And the book I extracted it from was written in 1897.

lawani:
thank you ma'am, the problem I have is I don't know how to use my phone to post links. Benin was a proper Yoruba empire and the old language of onitsha, ikwerre, ogba land and other parts of the old empire was a Yoruba dialect like that of ugbodu in delta state

gregyboy:
Learn how to talk woman........

No one is your mate.......

OgboAto:
Hell O Hell.

Roupell's Official papers has quoted in the screenshot were written in 1897.

OgboAto:
You are very difficult to do with yet you nor sabi anything. You're an airhead yet you rabble-rouse a lot.

If you be person wey dey calm down you would know that Roupell did not write or publish a book but interview locals, wrote what he got from them verbatim & sent them to the British government. He did this for Bini first & at later points, certain Yoruba towns like Akure. I got that screenshot from a book that quoted his work for word. If you're so pressed for Roupell or free knowledge on the internet spend that your $2000 on getting archival data on Bini from Britain, Enugu & Ibadan archives.

gregyboy:
Can i see the Roupell's work

gregyboy:
The funny thing is the oba was the one who identified the sculpture as an ife art......

This is what happens when politics goes wrong



This is the earliest documentation about benin by samuel johson


I believe this write up was a mistake identity.... Benin was known as ado by yorubas and not benin.....
Aside the above......

Rexamined the record of oromiyan and benin in the earliest documentation

OgboAto:
My guy, Yoruba did not claim you. It has been you people claiming Yoruba. A foreign author has provided a chronology of your claims of Yoruba & then sudden rigmaroles with ever changing stories of who Ekalederhen was and what he actually did. It has been you people who have been unstable forever. It was not Yoruba that forced your king to tell them things about his Ife origin & it was not Yoruba that forced your king to attend Yoruba Oba meetings & it wss not Yoruba that forced your Oba to take white researchers into the palace & talk them into how he used to say prayers for himself & Yoruba kings. Na una start am. Yoruba barely knew about Bini stories until your people began telling colonialists all sorts. Even Samuel Johnson who published way earlier than any Bini man had little knowledge of Bini story. Yoruba is not your problem, you are your own problem.

P.S: the Jews did not start Christianity, Romans [who were Europeans] designed, structured, defined, started & spread Christianity. Christianity is of European origins & an European religion.

OgboAto:
It clearly states that it was Roupell's account.
It didn't question anything at the bottom but if you want to see the bottom then I got you.

OgboAto:
Gregboy

Your friend needs to calm down with the aggression and the dates he's throwing around.
Several accounts published before his 1920 claims show records of your own people talking about Ife monarch origins through Oranmiyan, Eweka or Ekalederhen.

Here's a screenshot of Roupell's account of Bini & since your limit date is 1897, what date was Roupell's account published again? And there's more where that came from, just hang on.

P.S: I have to go back to read each of the accounts again in my library so it may take some time to post more. However, I won't do the hardwork you both should be doing and I'll limit my effort. You're the Bini and should be scouring the internet and libraries for your own records.

gregyboy:
The benins who wrote the history are they no the ones giving it to the yorubas



Bsnins were the ones who started this whole shit particularly the oba when they were still in the western region
Orun oba ado was first mentioned by egharevba in his book the Yoruba took upon themselves to bring the myth into life
And that's what we are facing now...

gregyboy:
Osayomre song adodo comes to mind


.... Lol youre waiting for insult if you push her to the wall she will come back angry and fire insult at you

OgboAto:
That guy is poorly read. If he was well read, he would know that the European accounts of the 1487 to 1897 he seems to have so much confidence in is filled with records of Europeans writing that the Bini people said to different explorers that their monarch was from Ife. The number of European accounts rehashing the Ife origins of their monarch as told by the Bini is larger than the few accounts that spoke of different origins. When I find the European paper that regards the Ekhaledehn story as nonsense, I'll share.

TAO11:
Not minding your self-deluding repititio that you've not being humiliated already (on your moronic "1487 to 1897" challenge), are you now admitting that the Obas of Benin insists on a Ife-Benin connection.

What you're pretending not to understand is the implication of your claim of no-connection:

All your Obas insist on a connection, but you insist otherwise. The question to you which you're afraid of answering thus remains:

Why makes you think that all the Obas of Benin Kingdom are all liars, betrayers, cheats, deceivers, traitors, renegades, snakes, and mordern Judas with a faulty sense of dignity who sold you all for a miserable price by stooping low to lick Oonis' boots for cheap political gains??

Having said that: In the course of the history of Benin Kingdom, the Obas of Benin have so far made two general accounts of the Ife-Benin connection known, namely:

(1) The classical one which simply states that Ife founded Benin kingdom --- thus agreeing perfectly with the ancient Ife account which may also be seen in the 1897-completed work of S. Johnson. I am not sure which Yoruba came up with Ife-Benin connection in the 1920s. Anyways, anything that makes you sleep at night is allowed.

(2) The modern one which chips in a certain Ekaladerhan and makes him one and the same person as Oduduwa.

Although historians have debunked and trashed the modern one about Ekaladerhan (Bondarenko, 2003:67-68), both accounts, however, agree that there is an Ife-Benin Ife connection.

So, I am patiently waiting for your answer on the bolded.

TAO11:
Lying to yourself that you've not being humiliated already (on your moronic "1487 to 1897" challenge) obviously helps you sleep at night. Otherwise, I wonder how you'll sleep.

And yes the spam bot triggers when a post is lengthy and contains many citations. You're not expected to know this. An illiterate has nothing to cite from.

The bigger question which I am shocked that you're avoiding is as follows:

Do you still insist that your Obas of Benin Kingdom are all liars, betrayers, cheats, deceivers, traitors, renegades, snakes, and mordern Judas with a faulty sense of dignity who sold you all for a miserable price by stooping low to lick Oonis' boots for cheap political gains??.

I am asking this because Oba Ewuare2 (just like his fathers) is caught on tape insisting that his ancestor of old (the first Oba of Benin) was from Ife.

TAO11:
I'm glad you got the warning and took action.

And if lying to yourself makes you sleep well at night even in the face of the tons of humiliation you've got, then dwell in it. It's obviously a Bini thing.

But what I don't get is your claim that your Obas of Benin Kingdom are all liars, betrayers, cheats, deceivers, traitors, renegades, snakes, and mordern Judas with a faulty sense of dignity who sold you all for a miserable price by stooping low to lick the boots of the Oonis of Ife for cheap political gains.

I can't beleive Benin Kings have been selling their heritage and licking Oonis' boots for so long!

Let's hear what you have to say to the reigning Ewuare2 who claims his predecessor (the first Oba of Benin) is from Ife --- timestamp 13:30.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0&t=866s

TAO11:
I really understand your enthusiasm to defend your Benin Kingdom --- I really understand.

However, the big obstacle for you remains your illiteracy. So, I really wonder how you hope to achieve your goal.

An evidence of the fact that you lack any new content is clearly seen in the fact that even while been humiliated on your own inane challenge, you quickly swept the shame aside and resorted to repeating the very same thing that just brought you humiliation.

You brought no new argument, as you can't give what you don't have. You therefore resorted to constituting a nuisance rather than reply with something fresh.

At this point, if this repeated spamming persists, then I will be forced to call you to order by informing the mods of how you're repeatedly breking rule number 18 which states that:

"Don't spam the forum by ... posting the same content many times"

Thanks!

TAO11:
And the only thing B. Lawal doubted here is the chronology.

He therefore proposed that the Ife people taught the Benin people bronze casting at a date latter than what was previously believed.

See below for a refresher of the embarrasment I made you face on this:
https://www.nairaland.com/5807254/politcs-behind-oduduwa-myth/2#88860914

TAO11:
And lastly, the Ijebus were among those responsible for clothing your cave-dwelling and fruit-gathering ancestors.

lawani:
It can not be gain said that Yoruba was the lingua franca of the Benin empire. Even today, ugbodu people in delta speak yoruba and they claim to have migrated from Benin. The long and short of it is that the Benin empire like her sister Yoruba states like Ijesa, Ijebu etc are Yoruba achievements in West Africa. I

TAO11:
Obviously you and the voices in your head are the "We" you mentioned above.


https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/10#89191403

TAO11:
Is somebody trying to retrace their steps?

Is somebody kind of admitting the Edos invited rulers from Ife??

Looks like somebody is admitting a historic fact, but still see the need to give the admission a bigoted spin as expected.

lawani:
benin kings were Yoruba and were only addressed in the palace language which was Yoruba and like other Yorubas they saw Ife as the source. The Benin named their town Yoruba like agenebode which means ago onibode, the outpost of the sentry. However present Benin are no longer Yoruba. The Yoruba were overwhelmed by the edo who lived in the countryside. The palace now speaks edo.

davidnazee:
Honestly I dont want TAO11 or any Yoruba revisionist to sleep peacefully at all.. its painful to them knowing that Benin kingdom was greater than all Yoruba kingdoms.

TAO11:
Is this the same boy that escaped, in shame, from my grip days ago??

Let me confirm that thread!!

He is the same boy. I found the thread.

Boy, link below is where you should be addressing now:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

Oya, before I open my eyes ... alele!!

davidnazee:
I believe if Benin Kingdom was actually Yoruba with Yoruba population, you would probably be saying you conquered Britain..
I know it is frustrating that the only historic achievement Yorubas lay claim to is being taken from them..

TAO11:
Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Challenge For You for a whooping $2500:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

TAO11:
Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Challenge For You for a whooping $2500:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

TAO11:
Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.