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RedboneSmith:
Okay. Any comment on what Azikiwe himself wrote in 1930?

Mind you, the tradition that Ezechime came from near Benin, but not from Benin itself, persists till today in some Umuezechime towns. Obomkpa, for example, will tell you that he came from a kingdom called Ogidi which was destroyed by Benin.

What I've been trying to let you understand is that there are other traditions that contradict the Benin-emigration account, and if we want to be objective students of history, we should take those traditions too into account and not simply focus on the one that has gained popularity.

We should also ask such questions as: Why did a Benin man have a name like Chima? Why did a Benin man leave Benin with an Ufie? Benin people have no Ufie. Ufie is an Igbo thing.

Today, Benin scholars are countering the story that brass-casting was introduced from Ife. Despite the fact that there are [b]centuries-old recorded traditions that the craft came from Ife. [/b]They point out, for example, that Iguegha is not a Yoruba name. I think other historians working in other fields ahould be afforded the same leeway to question traditions that are questionable.

Traditions are not sacrosant. If they were there wouldn't be more than one version the same story. Yet we find various versions existing side by side. Anyone attempting to reconstruct the past from these oral traditions must place all the versions side by side and criticise them, applying logic where it should.

To answered your question about why will a Benin bears Chime.

I already told you that there are Benin people in today Benin city that neither bear Benin names or even speak Benin language and that doesn't deny them of Benin ancestry.

To your second question of alternative history that disproved the Benin oral history of some of these tribes.

My answers to that in my post, is you will hardly see Benin people claiming anyone, but when any tribe traces their root to Benin we acknowledge them.

As to your claim that there was centuries old tradition of Benin Bronze being influenced from Ife.

That is a big fact lie, there is no centuries old tradition of Benin art coming from Ife. Show me any written accounts that says so before the end of Benin empire in 1897. All the fabrications some of you are regurgitating as Benin history started after 1897.

There is nothing written, recorded and documented about Benin/Ife for the first 500 years of Benin history.

The current Benin/Ife history was written in 1930, but Benin/Lagos relationship was documented as far back as 1603.

The Igbos are having the same problem as the Yorubas. There was no such thing as a unified Igbo ethnicity or the word Igbo until recently. There are still people in Anioma that denies being Igbo. The Dein of Agbor being one of them. He even changed his title from Obi to Dein.

There are people in Rivers state that doesn't see themselves as Igbo.

Igbo is a political creation to bring various independent tribes together under one umbrella called Igbo.

You don't force your Igboness on people that are not comfortable with it. We are on this thread debating because the Dein of Agbor is not happy that his people culture is being Igbonised.

Benin doesn't force itself on people by fire by force, you guys should learn the same thing, that it's not by force to be Igbo.

You asked about what Zik wrote, who am I to say Zik lied, why would Zik lie about his history, what was he going to gain by claiming Benin ancestry.

I also reference another Anambra man Olaudah Equiano that wrote and described himself as the subject of Benin in 1776.

Benin empire is not the same as Benin city, Benin empire comprises of various tribes. A unified language was not imposed on the subject the way the Igbos are forcing and blackmailing everyone from Anioma to Ekpeye and Ikwerre in Rivers to become Igbo. I doubt if the average Igbo man from Okar understand most of Ika dialects.

Long before the words Yoruba and Igbo were coined, there was Benin. Benin empire also had people from various tribes the way current Igbo and Yoruba comprises of various tribes today. If Benin had forced the various tribes within it's influence to speak Benin, you all and most tribes in today's south south would have been speaking and answering Benin names.

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IDENNAA:
Yes, he stated what the oral tradition told before the mind blowing research that proved absolutely that Onicha couldn't have originated from Bini. If , so , how in the world does 99.9% of all Onicha people including Olona, Ukwu , Ugbo bear Igbotic name. This cant happen over night...explain that mystery.

How often does Bini , Uhrobo, Efemai , Eshan , Etsako have children and they all ended with Igbotic names. Its not possible except if we Igbo were oppressors that forced our culture on others but we aren't. Bini were the oppressors in the old times yet they ended up with nothing.

And , yes, you are eternally insecure and ignorant. Because if you knew Onicha culture very well you would never pay mind to any soul thats peddling the Bini story. Even the Bini closest neighbors like Igbanke and Agbor held on to their Igbo cultures....even the Ignophobic Obi/Dein of Agbor held to his Igbotic names till this day while he was busy cajoling his subjects to denounce Igbo. Dein Ikencuku Keagborekuzi is his name yet this is the most Igbo hating group on planet earth!!

How many Igbos and people of south south people bear English names and does that make them English people, I guess former president Godluck Jonathan must be an English man.

I also guess the following Agbor names are Igbo names.

1. Ovia

2. Obaze

3. Obaigbena

4. Igunbor

6. Ogbemudien

And the Agbor traditional title Dein is an Igbo title.

Far more people in Agbor have Benin names compared to people of Edo North in Edo state, it doesn't makes them less of the descendants of the old empire.

Benin empire was a conglomerate of various people, tribes and languages just as Nigeria comprises of various tribes but all Nigeria. The same way the people that call themselves Igbo of today have various dialects.

Benin empire didn't force its subjects to speak one general language.

In your ignorant mind, Benin empire equates to Benin City. Even inside Benin city of today, not all Benin people bear Benin names.

Long before your anthropologists was born, a freed Igbo slave, Oluadah Equiano who is probably the first writer of Nigeria descent, wrote in 1776 that his Anambra native land was under the kingdom of Benin and the Oba of Benin was their overlord. You can now see that Benin empire didn't mean Benin City.

1n 1920 people of Onitsha and Anioma told your anthropologists the same thing.

1970 Nnamdi Azikiwe said the same thing.

In 2020 there are people in that area and beyond still claiming Benin. What more evidence do you require.

RedboneSmith:
This is not "latter day". This is from 1912.

This is not from a Biafran. This is from the respected British anthropologist Northcote Thomas.

Wanna try something else?

I wasn't referring to you but the so called anthropologists and those feeding on their nonsense. The people clearly told them their oral history and who was their overlord, it's not in place of the writer to doubt the people's history.

After the British sacked Benin in 1897, they went all out to diminished the influence of Benin across the region. Even after the monarchy was restored, the British discouraged traditional rulers that were part of old Benin empire from paying homage to the new Oba of Benin.

Today, there are traditional rulers in Anioma and across south south that still claim Benin ancestry over 120 years after the empire ended. Benin is not the one claiming these people, but we will not reject but acknowledge them. Benin ancestry is not the monopoly of those that live in Benin alone.

In the screenshot you posted, it wasn't the people that said they weren't from Benin, it was the anthropologists that said he couldn't find the basis for the people's claim to Benin or you didn't read it before you posted it. You submission said there was an annual message being sent between the Anioma/Onitsha and Benin until around 1840.

IDENNAA:
You called him ignorant just because he didn't swallow the bbullshit you have been feeding on, is not so ? You are a despicable soul

I was actually referring to you. His screenshot actually supports the Benin founding oral tradition of the people you are desperately trying to change. I guess you didn't read his submission or you didn't comprehend what was written.

The people claim Benin ancestry while those that were supposed to write what they were told said they couldn't find evidence and decided to disproved what they were told.

RedboneSmith:
A reminder that alternative traditions of Onitsha origin has been recorded since the beginning of the 20th century.

Written by an anthropologist as early as 1912.

Too many ignorant bigoted latterday revisionist from the Biafra south east. Everyone now have to have Nri ancestry. Old history of the various people that make up the south east have to be replaced with new fabrications.

Onego:
Many at times I often hear people say Igbo and ukwuani are the same, please I need clarification on this thanks

Ukwuani / Ndokwa

Delta State
Kwale
The Ukwuani people (also called Ndokwa Ethnic Nationality) are located in the southern part of Nigeria in the western part of the Niger Delta. They are found majorly in the northern part of Delta State and in some parts of Ogba/Egbema/Ndoni local government area of Rivers State, Nigeria.

Ethnography
Ukwuani people are located in Delta North senatorial district of Delta State which is usually referred to as Anioma. Ndokwa Land consists of three robust Local Government Areas: (Ndokwa West, Ndokwa East, and Ukwuani). There over three dozens of towns and villages in Ndokwa land thus, making it the second largest ethnic Nationality in Delta state. The five most popular ones are Kwale, Aboh and Obiaruku, Abbi and Ogume. Ndokwa land lies between latitudes 50 481 N and 50 601 N and longitudes 60 081 E and 60 321 E of Delta State. Ukwuani land is bordered on the North by the Benin Division, on the south by the Ijaw Division, on the South-West by Urhobo and Isoko Divisions, on the East by the Niger River, on the North-East by Ika and Asaba Divisions, and on the South-East by Ahoada Division of the Rivers State. The important rivers in the region are Niger, Ethiope, Adofi, and Umu while the Ase creek is the major creek.[citation needed]. The geographical position of Ukwuani, places the country within two belts and they include the Deltaic Swampy Forest, which covers the southern and south eastern coastal towns as well as the tropical rain forest situated in the Northern part of the territory. In the swampy region, numerous creeks and impassable dense forest abound which also experience flood during certain period of the year. The area also has adequate rainfall all year round and the vegetation is a mixture of evergreen forest and the savannah grassland with very fertile soil.

Origin
The Ukwuani people, just like every other tribe or ethnic group in Nigeria has their own traditions of origin. It is difficult to explore the whole gamut of traditions of Ukwuani people because the range is almost endless as a result of the fact that the various clans that make up the Ukwuani ethnic group do not have a single tradition of origin.

Matching events with dates have been very difficult in writing about the history of Ukwuani and this problem stems from the fact that very few literature are available on the history and origin of Ukwuani. Hence, one has to rely on oral traditions from the Okpala’s, Okwa’s, Onotu’s (Inotu’s), Eze’s, Ada’s and some other experienced men in Ukwuani whose source of knowledge was also through oral tradition.

Again, there are so many traditions of origins of Ukwuani and this has been a subject of great controversy. The controversy arose from the fact that there are vested interest on the topic with each clan, village or family component trying to exert influence and superiority over others.

In consequence of the heterogeneity of Ukwuani clans, divergent views were held with regards to the historical origins of the people. However, from the varying account of the elders, three waves of migration appeared to account for the present population of the Ukwuani people from the varying accounts of the elders.

The first wave are represented by the clans who claimed to have originated from Benin Kingdom. Some of these clans include Umu-akashiada, Ebedei, and Akarai. The second waves of independent settlers and expansionist from the great Nri Kingdom are those whose ancestors migrated from Eastern Nigeria. The clans in this group settled along the bank of the River Niger and they include Umu-obarauchi, Ndoni, Onya, and Adawai. A third wave is in the form of a well organised expendition of Benin conquerors and some of this group include, Aboh, Amai, Umukwata . Ogbe-ani in Utagba-uno clan also claimed to migrate from ancient Benin Kingdom. stated that apart from these three waves of immigration, there are also mixed eastern and western Igbo, Igala origin and Edo immigration.[citation needed]

Language and culture
Ukwuani is a language spoken in parts of Delta and Rivers States in Nigeria, notably: Abbi, Aboh, Afor, Akoku, Amai, Ndoni (Rivers), Isukwe (Rivers), Onuaboh, Ashaka, Ebedei, Emu, Ejeme Aniogo, Ezionum, Eziokpor, Utagba-Ogbe(Kwale), Ndemili, Obiaruku, Obetim Uno, Obikwele, Owa Alidima, Umuaja, Ossissa, Utagba-Uno, Umutu, Onicha-Ukwuani, Obinomba, Iselegu, Umukwata, Owa Abbi, Utchi, Abgragada, Ushie, Ogume, Azagba and Umuolu, etc.

It is a branch of the Volta-Niger language family and have slight dialectal differences in the Language based on their closeness to the four ethnic groups at their borders. These are: Igbo, Urhobo, Edo and Ijaw. The influence of these Languages is manifest in slight variations in their pronunciation manifesting in different dialects namely: Onu-Aboh dialect(Ndosumili area), Ukwuani Akashiada, Utagba dialect and Osissa dialect. The one spoken by the majority of the people is the Utagba dialect. It is easily understood by the speaker of the other dialects and it is the dialect that is used for Ukwuani language studies. Ukwuani language is also included in the list of 27 Nigerian languages approved by the Federal Government for the purposes of “mother tongue education”. Ukwuani language has a common ancestry with the Igbo language and Edo language .

The word ‘Ukwuani’ stands for the people as well as their language and so its usage therefore encompasses both the people and their language.

However, some Ukwuani people are found in other parts of Delta State and Rivers State respectively. Although most writers and historians on the other hand, who have written on Ukwuani history did not include these ones as part of the ‘Ndokwa Nation’ or ethnic group (for they confined the ethnic definition of Ukwuani people to only those found in the above mentioned Local Government Areas) it is important to note here that the Ukwuani speaking people in these other parts of Delta and Rivers State also form part of the ‘Ndokwa Nation’ because for one thing, they speak Ukwuani language just like their counterparts in the above mentioned L.G.As. In addition, they have similar traditions of origin like them in the sense that most of them trace their origins to some of the recognized Ndokwa/Ukwuani communities in Delta State.

The culture of the Ukwuani people is also related to several cultures in the Niger-delta (Igbo, Urhobos, Ezon, etc.) and are very patriotic to the core. The traditional administrative set-up of the Ukwuani people from the early days to modern times is generally an organisational structure based on age-grades culminating in a gerontocracy of the oldest men in town with most ancient as head popularly called Okpala-Uku and next to him is the Ikpala and below them the Inotus who advise and carry out the wishes of the council and generally controlling the remaining population, made possible by system of age-grades. Monarchy system of leadership which had been abandoned over three centuries ago in Emu Kingdom was again restored after the coronation of king Ulu, the fourth(4th) Ezemu of Emu Kingdom on the 4th day of April,1999.

Ajieh is an original form of greeting to the traditional chiefs. But as time moved on, (just like the supporting of kolanut with money became expanded), it became a general greeting for all adult males(Ikoluobie). Even the male youths are also greeted “Ajieh Biakoni” meaning Ajieh in the making. The older females are greeted “Otofe” while the younger ones are greeted “Owesu” or “Oticha akwa”.[1] This form of greeting started during the colonial era when the colonial masters tried in vain to usurp the impenetrable powers of the “Ineotu” Traditional Chief’s for indirect rule. in consequence, they raised some strong opinion leaders in the then Aboh Division who greeted themseves by saying; “Anyi ji Eye” or “Anyi je” signifying that they now hold the power, or power belongs to them. Now the greeting “Ajieh” and “Otofe” has become a general one as corrupted in fast tongue.

Society and the arts
Indigenous arts include basket weaving, metalwork and sculpture (known as Okpu-Uzo). The Ụkwụànìs are also widely known for their music, having produced such Late artistes as Charles Iwegbue, sir kendo, Ali Chukwuma, King Ubulu, Prince Smart Williams Achugbue, Issac Rogana Ottah, Sir Daddy Kris, Agu Lato, and Franco Lee Ezute; they still have on the list names which are ever present in the scene such as Harvest music stars a.k.a The Unlimited, Julie Bright, John Okpor, Prince Tony Kiddy, Queen Azaka, Bob Fred, Eric Enuma, Computer Onah, Steady Arobbi, Deskenny, Prince 2 Boy, Ishioma Henry Ossai, Orji Moore, Chris Hanen, Eric Enuma, Capt Dennis Abamba, Murphy Gingo, Chuks Igba, Ogwezi Ubulu and many others. It very important to note that the most widely known Hausa song, “A Kwai Wuta Ni Gari”, was made popular by two Ukwuani Indigenes (sons) in the late 40s, “The Ishie Brothers”. The duo sang together in all their local musical performances while one usually beat two short sticks (maracas), the other scratches a cigarette cup against its cover to produce their kind of musical entertainment. They lived the best part of their lives in Northern Nigeria, mostly Kano city. They were among the early legends of modern music in Nigeria.[citation needed]

The style of Ukwuani music is one of the main influences they have had over their neighbors, many of whom have adopted Ụkwụànì music as their own traditional music They remain a socially tight-knit group. Community unions and clubs are the rule, even among those who have emigrated to North America, Europe, or Asia. These organizations routinely hold festivals and celebrations. Marriage and burial rites are also often the occasion for elaborate ceremonies. Most of the people are Christian. Large Catholic congregations are found in Obiaruku, Ashaka, Obinomba, Umutu and Kwale where Catholic missionaries established churches and elementary schools during the colonial era. Protestant churches are also common. Traditional worship still takes place in nearly every community. There is also a very small Muslim minority among them.[citation needed]

Colonial History of Ndokwa
The colonial history of Ndokwa people began in 1905 with the formal establishment of colonial administrative office in Kwale. It was then known as Aboh Native Authority and later renamed Aboh Division in 1952 with headquarter in Kwale. In 1976, there was Local Government reforms and Aboh Division became Ndokwa Local Government with headquarters still in Kwale. The name Ndokwa was formed from two words; Ndoshimili and Ukwuani. They signify the two major districts of Aboh Division. Following the 1991 and 1997 Local Government creations embarked upon by the Military led Government, Ndokwa came under three Local Government Areas (LGAs) namely; Ndokwa East, Ndokwa West and Ukwuani with headquarters in Aboh, Kwale and Obiaruku respectively. The three LGAs speak Ukwuani language and are known and recognized as a distinct ethnic nationality since pre-colonial times. Lord Lugard amalgamated the Northern and Southern Protectorates to form Nigeria. Ndokwa people were a part of the nations in the Southern protectorate. Although it included the great Aboh Kingdom which, arguably, was the greatest naval force on the Niger Delta Coast for close to a century before the arrival of the Europeans, the people were subjected to British rule and would later be ruled as part of the Western region-one of the two regions carved out of the Southern protectorates. By 1963, Mid-west region was created to include Ndokwa Land and other Non-Yoruba speaking parts of western region. Ndokwa people remained as part of Mid-West region until Ndoni people were carved out from Aboh Division to join parts of the old Eastern region to form Rivers State in May 1967 as part of a new 12 State Federal Structure. The rest of Ndokwa Land remained in the Mid-west which was now renamed Bendel State, fusing the first three letters from the Benin Province with the first three letters of Delta Province. Ndokwa remained as part of the Mid-west Bendel configuration for 28 years until the creation of Delta State in 1991.[citation needed]

Notable Ndokwa People
Rear Admiral Mike Ojinika Onah Nigerian Naval Officer (Rtd)
Patrick Osakwe (Politician/ Former Senator, Federal Republic of Nigeria)
Peter Odili (Former Executive Governor Of Rivers Staten, Ndoni, http://www.ndoniusa.org/history-of-ndoni.html )
Friday Osanebi (Deputy Speaker, Delta State House Of Assembly)
Chief Fidelis Okenmor Tilije Former M.D fortune Bank plc
Chief Friday Abaja very popular Business man[2]
Enebeli Elebuwa (Nollywood actor/producer)
Emeka Ossai (Nollywood actor/producer/model)
Uti Nwachukwu (Model/actor, Winner Big Brother Africa III, 2008)
Sunday Oliseh (Nigerian Footballer)
Buchi (Nigerian comedian)
Timothy Ogochukwu Okom (Blogger) (Founder of Ndokwa Sons And Daughters)
References


Prof Enueweosu
Ndokwa Reporters
Wikipedia

IDENNAA:
I never stated Bini was beneath me but dont make condescending statement regarding my ancestral roots. I am contented with the origin God placed me. Zik wrote what he was fed with growing up. Now , it's left to you to verify that which he presented as facts. Are they facts ? You know what qualifies a story as a fact.

Imagine for once that you decided to indulge us with the history of your ancestors, how would you feel if someone that is not even from your town let alone your family calls you a liar and say what you have written about your family are fabrications, this is what you are doing to Zik's claim.

My question continue to be, why would Zik decide to tell us about his Benin ancestry in retirement, he was not seeking for votes. Zik is not the only Onitsha person I have seen that have link Onitsha history to Benin, so I have no reason to doubt them because I don't have a monopoly to Benin ancestry.

Every Nigerian tribes are having children all over the world at the moment, it will be wrong for anyone to call them a liar if the descendants of our children in diaspora decides to write an autobiography in the future stating their Nigeria heritage.

Benin was once an empire that people migrated from and immigrated to.

IDENNAA:
First off, Zik has no Bini ancestry, therefore that nonsense you wrote is nullified. I told you

My ancestry is well known and please, we don't ever wish to be Bini....I dont want to be rude but dont make me. I have already told you that the story Zik told were unsubstantiated but you remained stubborn grasping at straws.

Please and please not once in my life did I ever wish to be related to Bini...I once lived there. I dont want to be offensive here but DONT ever lower me enough to connect me to Bini. You worship your fellow human who you are probably wiser than...Oga I am an Nri offspring!! Get that in your head!

As for Bini kingdom being the biggest in Africa ...lol...I dont want to be mean and put you in your place. I dont envy anything out of Bini. Onicha people can cross over and join you but history must be preserved. Onicha has no Bini ancestry and history shows that.

Finally, I don't celebrate Zik , he is not my hero , I dont look up to him and no Igbo does. He is a typical Onicha man with unmerited ego...Onicha people are brags and anybody who brags carelessly can even claim he is a pile of feces if you told him people would love him for it.

Side note: Zik didn't achieve greatness not more than Achebe. With all his purported intelligence he got played...lol

Basically, you are saying I should not believe Zik, but believe you that Zik has no Benin ancestry.

You also suggested that being Benin is beneath you.

You claim that Zik didn't achieve greatness and Achebe is greater than Zik. You also claim that Zik is an unintelligent brag.

On the issue of believing you rather than Zik on his Benin ancestry claim, what did Zik wanted to gain in claiming a lesser Benin heritage according to you.

You claimed that Benin heritage was beneath you and you are strenuously trying to refute Zik's Benin heritage claim, I simply don't get it.

Could you please tell me what was Zik's motive to tell the world that his ancestors were Benin people.

Was he trying to win Benin votes in retirement, what exactly was the gain in his claim if it was not true.

IDENNAA:
What do I do with this delusion of grandeur ? Cc. samuk

Lol @ aristocratic background. This thing is so embarrassingly stupid. I will reserve my comments regarding this delusion until an Onicha person shows up and tell me what I dont know

Nothing delusional about Zik's aristocratic background claim, his is as authentic as it could be.

Before he became, an Igbo, Zik of Africa, Chief, first president of Nigeria and greatest politician from the south east, he was first of a royal blood from one of Africa's greatest empires and civilisations.

You guys can disagree, but be rest assured that your jealousy infused negative thoughts towards this great son of Africa doesn't count because you can't know Zik's history more than Zik himself.

Rather than worry about what Zik wrote about his ancestors, you should research the history of your own family, if it leads back to Benin, you will also be accepted as brother/s, we don't discriminate.

Whenever you think of claiming Zik for the south east alone, always remember his ancestral background and history.

IDENNAA:
Bring your verifiable facts...lol

Dont bring anything that is not aligned with traditional realities...Like the Zik's story you Bini people love so much but when you are asked to prove it you accuse us of mocking Zik

Excerpt:
“One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word ‘Onitsha’. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins, “
“I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N’Idu, , ” “As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc,
” SOURCE – Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) “My
Genealogy and Nativity” p 11 – 12

TAO11:
I wil force you Binis back into the world of sanity!

I promise!

Whatever you and your likes write about Benin, there are few things you will never be able to change and fabricate.

1. Benin/Ife history was first created in 1930

2. There are no mentions of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ooni, Ife, Yufi, Yufe and Ife in the first 500 years of written, recorded and documented Benin history.

3. The first 500 years of Benin history is unpolluted by Yoruba fallacies and free from Yoruba fabrications.

4. The international communities doesn't recognise later day revisionist version of Benin/Yoruba history by the Yoruba.

5. Yoruba are yet to reconcile within themselves the origin of Oduduwa.

6. When Benin arts and history are being studied outside Nigeria, in Europe, America, etc, Ife is not mentioned.

If you have any scholarly work that was written before 1897 that disproved what I have written, please share it.

davidnazee:
Only a shallow person can come up with this type of reasoning and you never fail to disappoint..
About Roupell's list.. how can He miss such an interesting and astonishing information during his research? If indeed the greatest Kingdom during his time was founded by a mere and dilapitated village some kilometers away he would have surely benn told and would have mentioned it in his book..
When he was compling his list he would have been told the oramiyan story if it really happened.. Roupell did his reseach in Benin in 1898 and there was no mention of Oramiyan founding Benin kingdom.. Talbot got his story from Yorubas in 1926.

No matter how much audio claim you will play, it doesn't sell.. If you like write all your long nonsense, it still doesn't prove anything..

TAO11 asked you for scholarly work to back up your claim, you gave her early history of Benin which was researched in Benin by a European in 1889. Amongst the Obas listed, Oranmiyan and Benin/Ife relationship were not mentioned.

TAO11 came up with another twisted logic/lies and ask for more scholarly evidence.

When she fails in her arguments, she retorts to insults, chest beating and self praises on how she's whipping all the Benin men to tears.

Meanwhile, the Yorubas themselves have not come to agreement on the origin of Oduduwa himself, whether he came from Mecca, Sky or was an Ijesha man.

What is not known to TAO11 and her likes is that every Edo person before 1897 regarded the Oba of Benin as the owner of all land, water and every living things on earth. This believe was literal. To the Edo people, the Oba of Benin was a God in human form, God almighty in heaven's representative on earth. It was God in heaven followed by the Oba of Benin.

There was no any other human being above the Oba of Benin. Before 1897, the Ooni and Ife would have all been considered the property of the Oba of Benin.

This is the reason that the later day revisionist from the Yorubas sounds very strange to the average Edo people, it's probably the reason late Oba Erediawa was shocked by the statement of the late Ooni welcoming him to Ife. Oba Erediawa had to quickly remind the Ooni that such a statement just a century earlier from any known African ruler would have resulted to the decapitation of that ruler.

Good to know that Benin/Yoruba history has become a daily debate without shortages of audiences and debaters.

The Yoruba should know that their fabricated history of Benin/Ife relationship is only local to them in Yoruba land. Their version is alien to the international communities that daily study Benin history. Ife is not even mentioned when Benin history classes are being taught in Europe, America and rest of the world.

There was nothing documented, written or recorded about Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ooni, Ife Yufi and Ufe in Benin history in the first 400 years of Benin history. I know this must be very painful to TAO11, but it's what it is, it's too late to change the fact that Benin/Ife relationship is a 1930 creation.

Benin/Ife history is only discussed from 1930. The previous 500 years of Benin history is unpolluted

The economic impact of the Coronavirus outbreak in Nigeria and the reasons to adopt alternative radical approaches to fight and control the disease in order to lessened the economic impacts on the country's resources.

Facts and figures.

1. European countries and America with far more advanced economies and medical facilities are experiencing hundreds and thousands of deaths daily, but Nigeria and other south saharan Africa countries hardly record 5 Covid-19 related deaths per day. Why?

2. In America and UK, blacks are disproportionately dying from covid-19 related complications than their white counterparts. The rate of black deaths is far more than white deaths in percentage terms. Why?

3.Nigeria and other south saharan Africa countries suffer less from the flu, cold and other respiratory related virus and bacteria compared to Europe and America. Why?

4. Is Nigeria practicing a more advanced form of prevention measures..social distancing and wearing of face mask that is yet to be discovered in Europe and America, if not, why is Nigeria not recording more deaths compared to Europe and America?

Answers:

1. The reason the Coronavirus is and will not have adverse medical/health effects on Nigeria and other south saharan Africa countries lies in our climate environment. Our climate environment acts as a form of natural sanitizer to most respiratory viruses and bacteria because if it's high humidity. Most respiratory viruses cannot survive long in the air in a humid climate like ours.

2. Our climatic environment helps us to produce enough Vitamin D which helps to boost our immune system to fight against most respiratory diseases. In the colder climates of Europe and America, the melanin in the black skin prevents the black from producing enough Vitamin D at the same levels in Africa which results in less immune protection against respiratory diseases. This is the reason black deaths in Europe and America are disproportionately higher than their white counterparts.

3. In summary, the south saharan Africa climatic environment acts as a natural sanitizer and helps to boost the immune system against respiratory diseases including covid-19.

4. The blacks in western countries often result to home remedies to cushion the effects of the flu and colds during the winter season.

5. The black ethnic minority also suffer more from dry skin due to the less humidity of the European and America climates.

Economic Impacts and alternative approach.

Nigeria economy and IGR is currently taking a huge hit due to reductions in economy activities occasioned by the lockdown procedure in place. The economic impacts of covid-19 to Nigeria economy is disproportionate and outweighs the health impacts.

Ghana must have connected the dot between their climatic environment to the less impacts of covid-19 so far and have now lifted restrictions on movements and reopened it's economy for business.

Nigeria could also adopt this measures by lifting the ban on the lockdown with advice to all it's citizens to be wearing face masks for now while we continue to monitor the disease.

How long can Nigeria continue to lockdown it's economy without the country disintegrating.

Nigeria should be looking for ways to reopen it's economy while we wait for an effective vaccine and drugs to manage the disease because there in unlikely to be a cure for it in a very long time to come.

The world still haven't been able to completely eradicate malaria, poliovirus, chickenpox, HIV, flu, common cold, etc.

On this Coronavirus scourge, one size cannot fits all, we have to start thinking out of the box.

Osagyefo98:
Yes, exactly leave the biafra but we must take the politics to a new level until you guys fully keys into afenifere. That's very important for future circumstances. We need to push you guys that way.

Which politics are you talking about, you guys have long relegated yourselves to the background and backstage of Nigeria politics for decades. Biko leave politics alone because you guys can hardly pull your political weight in Nigeria let alone make decisions for Edo.

Osagyefo98:
How does that concern ndigbo.

All we are now saying is this pull yourselves under afenifere.

You seems to be having more problems with what Edo people do with their lives than concentrating on your Biafra fantasy. Keep taking paracetamol on behalf of others, I hope you don't kill yourself with overdose.

Osagyefo98:
Biafra shouldn't be your worry either as Edo isn't part of it...So no much fuss.


The worry is that you can't defeat the Oduduwa logic and it keeps binding on you guys..more reason the remaining part of Bini should key into afenifere agenda.

How does Oduduwa logic affect our daily lives, it doesn't, we sometimes go into those arguments and debates for the fun of it, but Biafra means the world to you guys and it won't happen with the way you are going about it.

Edo people are very much at home in Nigeria. Are the Biafrans at home in Nigeria? You guys are the ones having problems with Nigeria, we are not and Nigeria will continue to remain as one indivisible entity and even if it's going to split up, be rest assured that our input cannot be overlooked. The Biafrans needs our support more than we need Biafrans.

Come to Benin and see how all Nigeria tribes live and enjoy themselves as one people. You are the ones that have issues with Nigeria and Nigerians even though you are both, Ndi confusion.

Osagyefo98:
It is not jealoi but love for Edos.....Yes we have reasons for doing that until we have fully emotionally, politically and socially dissolve Benin into Yorubas fully....That's the politics.


We must create an environment that establishes Edo as Yorubas and if division comes it won't be hard to those that will try to kick against it.

The politics is with mission and good Intentions....

Hahaha, I laughed in Japanese, you have not been able to create an enabling environment for the actualization of your Biafra, it's Edo that's your problem.

Did the Edo people complain to you that we don't like and enjoy the Nigeria unitary system Igbo established. Politically, we haven't been doing very badly for our size, unlike the Igbos.

Osagyefo98:
The more reasons I hardly involve in Edo discussion is simple. It is Insulting and demeaning to us as Igbos. Edos has nothing, absolutely nothing to offer Ndigbo. What will 7 local governments offer Igbos... outrightly nothing...

What will Igbos gain from Bini... outrightly nothing?

In diaspora you are nowhere to be found?

What on Earth will make us stress ourselves even one seconds...

Bini geographically situated and should be called Yoruba land will be claiming egbema...claim ogoja, claim ekpeye even with the king's title as Eze Ekpeye...claim abua...is that not madness?

A journey of 5 hours to a bini man and a journey of 30 mins within same Igboland.


What do we call this if not stupidity and foolishness.


Mr submit yourself to afenifere same way the people you are claiming has submitted under Ohanaeze or do you see them una meeting..



Some answering Obi Nduka and someone will be killing himself on his matter...his name and everything in his kingdom fully Igbo.


Yorubas that has fully agreed that Edos are part of them...but you will go back looking for those who no need or send you....All Yorubas here fully knows and acknowledge Bini to be part of them.

Bini is not and will never be part of biafra. We don't need nonsense here.


Nobody can tolerate any form of witchery and wizardly.

Ndi Ara living in Illusion...

Yet, after all you have written, you guys can't see any thread about Edo/Benin and jump pass without saying something, no matter how irrelevant.

Benin is this, Edo is that but you are fixated with Benin like the average Igbo man is fixated and love business and money.

You can't seen the word Benin without commenting, even if the name Benin is not boldly written, just the insinuation or indirect reference to Benin is enough for the hairs in your body to stand up. Sometimes I wonder if it's love, hate or jealousy.

Osagyefo98:
Just go and register yourself under afenifere. There is no long story there.

This is 2020 not some sort of 1897......No pedigree.

Pull yourself under Yorubas umbrella. That's were you all rightly belongs to.

The Igbo gave Nigeria the current unitary system of governance we are practicing, we are all going to stay and enjoy it together. If you don't like it, you can try to leave and we can still remember how that ended before.

Osagyefo98:
Ignore that's none of myself. I can't Ignore people of no pedigree coming to be Insulting Igbos...what insolence...? All because of stupid one nigeria project.


Just go and register yourself under afenifere. There is no long story there.
Others are already doing so. ogbia is is under Ijaw despite not fully Ijaw but just ancestral similarities which is strong....
Bini should go and submit themselves under afenifere...That's all.

When one of your brothers said in another thread that you write gibberish, this is what he meant, I am reading your write up and I am feeling dizzy.

The Yoruba Oduduwa republic have more chances of success because it's only confined to the south west. Biafra on the other hand is looking for south south lands to grab.

Biafra will only succeed if your territorial ambitions end within the confines of the current 5 south eastern states, any attempt to look further than that will only mean doom.

Obi of Agbor and so many others like him across south south are telling you guys on daily basis that they are not Igbos irrespective of whether they speak and bear Igbo names but you just can't let go, do you have to force these people to be Igbo.

How many Yoruba tribes have you seen denying being Yoruba, the Yorubas are more politically astute to know not to complicate issues for themselves by forcibly trying to annexed other tribes outside the west who are not comfortable being seen as Yoruba.

This is the same political dexterity they showed in the first republic to take over the Igbos in Nigeria political space.

Igbo started out very well by occupying various important positions in Nigeria but lost all to over ambition. When will you guys learn to be contended with what you have.

Thanks to Abacha and your northern overlords, Igbo land and any future Biafra starts and end in the current 5 states of south east.

You guys keep shouting Benin have 5 or 7 local governments areas, are you not ashamed to be comparing the entire Igbo south east of over 40 million people to a small part of Edo state, not even the entire state, let alone other Edoid tribes across the south south that you are trying to force into your Biafra.

These other Edoid groups across the south south are the ones that daily identify with Benin on their own volition without being coerced, insulted and blackmailed to do so.

Osagyefo98:
This little kingdom of Benin will be making noise everyday.

Governor of Delta state is Ifeanyi Okowa not Izoduwa Obaseki....are yo guys really this drunk .


Yorubas trashed you and gave every reasons to justify that edos are Yorubas and na Igbos you want face now...you will hit the rock and learnt the history in blunt and abusive man....


Nonsense and gibberish kingdom...


5 local government constituting nuisance online. Go to asaba and tell the ruler obi chike Edozien that one history said you are Benin and one eben was in your palace and na we get you...


Nonsense and buhari.



Ndi ara

After all these ranting, one thing is very clear, Obi of Agbor is far more senior to any Eze in Igbo land because the popular saying in Igbo is "Igbo enwe eze", which translates to "the Igbo have no King".

AreaFada2:
Samuk, I know this is an old post.

You see, the British were so avowed to cut down the influence of Benin since the 1840s in Lagos that they didn't rest until 1960. From West to East.

While Benin didn't have large populations in its territories, their monarchs and nobility were pure Benin princes and nobility. From Eleko, Eletu Odibo and Obanikoro in Lagos to Ogiamie/Olu and his original chiefs in Warri.

Over 120 years was more than enough to suppress Benin history, while helping other previously tribal groups unite into large ethnic nationalities. The newly emerged larger tribes now took over the suppression crusade from colonial masters.

But in that time, when succession fight occurred in several of those former Benin territories, the matter would be settled in Benin palace. Because those monarchs previously got their approval from Oba of Benin and the history is well known in Benin.

Clearly, Dr Zik who was born in 1904 probably grew up to meet relatives born around 1830s to 1840s. The reign of Oba Osemwende. So he got the authentic history of Onitsha from those old relatives. Even a young man like me met elderly relatives well over 90 years old over 30 years ago. People born around 1880s to 1890s.

Their story of Lagos, Onitsha, much of Anioma, Itsekhiri and Edoid people were remarkably consistent. Even echoed what Zik wrote about Onitsha.

As for Agbor, they are a unique Igboid people but infused with much Benin royal and aristocratic traditions.

I think what many Igbo have refused to accept is that people cannot be forced to identify with you. Cultures evolve over time. The English, Dutch, Swedes, Danes. Flemish, Norwegians and others are Germanic people BUT THEY ARE NOT Germans. Urhobo/Okpe, Isoko, Degema and others are of Greater Benin/Edoid origin but they are Benin people of today.

So we cannot start throwing insult at people for carving out a unique identity for themselves. Otherwise the suspicion that it's all about domination of others becomes very potent.

With the way the Igbos are going on with their Nri project, Biafra will unlikely extend more than the current 5 states that make up south east. Someone already told us in a different thread that the Obi of Onitsha will not break the cola is the presence of some Nri Ezes.

Imagine the Obi of Agbor with history spanning hundreds of years, probably more authentic and prestigious than any Nri Eze being made to become second class monarch to these Nri Ezes in a new Biafra.

Recently some of these monarchs and people in the south south are beginning to reaffirmed their traditional links with Benin because the dangers of their thrones and culture going extinct is very real should Nigeria breaks up and they are absorbed by these later days big tribes.

Under Benin empire, these various tribes were allowed their autonomy, something, they will likely lose under the so called big tribes.

Sewgon79:
Odùduwà is not an Arab man, but according to my findings. There are aborigines living in that land called mecca before the Arab came to pursue or wage war on them. This cause them to desert their land to find a new part. This is common things that happened those days. That is most reason for cross migration.

Then history said Lamurudun who is the father of ODÙDUWÀ and leader of his tribe migrate to a place now called ILẸ̀ IFE. According to my findings on his way coming from Middle East, some of his people who are tired settle in place like Nupe, Borgu and they are Ibariba people.

There have always been a kind of ethnic relationship between tapa and Yoruba. So Lamurudun died on the way, could not reach ILẸ̀ IFE with his people, but his son ODÙDUWÀ took his people to the promise land which is today called ILẸ̀ IFE. The Ancestry home of all Ọmọ Oodua.

So, the history even said that he met some settler in Ìfẹ́ and he introduced the kingship and kingdom administration which Yoruba are known for till today.

Odùduwà gave birth to Okanbi. And it is history that the birth of Oranmiyan came through the mate of ODÙDUWÀ and his son Okanbi with same woman.

That is why it is believe that Oranmiyan is special and powerful, he left ilé ifẹ on special invitations of people of ILẸ̀ IBINU from Ogiso by asking Île ife to send his Prince to help structure the kingship and kingdom of Ado (Edo) . So Oranmiyan went to ilé Ado (Edo) but on getting, he found out that they were aggressive, some of the local chief disagree with the way he ruled them. Spying on him everywhere. He created the structure of kingship and became the first Ọba of Benin. He married one their chief daughter who gave birth to Eweka.

The rebellion within the ADO (EDO) people was too much, so Oranmiyan left everything to go back to ifẹ. So after some time the Ogiso came to beg for him to come back, he said he will not go back to ILẸ̀ IBINU (now known as ILẸ̀ BENIN) instead he asked they should crowned his SON (EWEKA) who is legit direct descendant of ODÙDUWÀ.

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Odùduwà gave birth to Okanbi. And it is history that the birth of Oranmiyan came through the mate of ODÙDUWÀ and his son Okanbi with same woman.

Wow, very interesting, we all read that Oduduwa is not indigenous to Ife.

Are you also saying Oduduwa and his son Akanbi slept with one woman to produce Oranmiyan.

TAO12:
Take Cover People. Benin Kingdom Liar on the Loose:

No where does any video he attached say anything even remotely close to his lie that Benin Kingdom is the only recognized ancient civilization. I challenge you to mention the timestamps in the respective videos.

On the contrary, what such videos always depict is exhibition of specific artworks, just as it is done of other superior artworks like the Ife artworks, the Egyptian artworks, etc. Videos of such exhibitions abound on the internet.

He doesn't copy and paste Journal references. He only copies and pastes YouTube links. A truly interesting difference. Hmmm!

Nonsense and Oba Ovoranmwen!


A gentle reminder of your bungle below, though:
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/44#88731083

https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/45#88733590

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

TAO12:
Again having exhausted his lie bank, he resorts to committing the logical fallacy know in argumentations as argumentum ad nauseum among other logical fallacies.

Providing evidence in response to zero evidence from Benin Kingdom was interpreted as insulting him Isn't God wonderful?? ??

Anyways, we're still awaiting his response to address his bungle pointed out here:

Why will I copy and paste when people can watch the videos for themselves and see that the only ancient recognised civilisation in southern Nigeria is Benin. Very painful to those that would like to projects their little villages and hamlets.

TAO12:
My experts?? ?? ?? ?? No little boy!

They are THE experts not MY experts, lad. omg!

And they say Ife artworks are the most sophisticated and most valued.

Yes, the imperial west is bent on perpetuating the punishment on Benin kingdom since 1897, regardless of the amount of begging from your elders.

Regardless of the volume of tears your elders shed for their return, and regardless of how much you mock their tears on Nairaland by rejoicing over the punitive seizure of those mere quantity 2nd class which they beg and cry daily for.

Experts have spoken loudly and clearly again and again on the superior quality of the Ife artworks. Consider the following expert testimonies:

(1) Talking about the Ife artworks, Frank Willett writes:

"Here unquestionably were art works of first importance ... They were so very different from any works of negro art, and so very sophisticated in a European manner that they stood apart from the rest of African sculpture."
Reference:
Frank Willett, "Bronze and Terra-Cotta Sculptures from Ita Yemo, Ife", The South African Archaeological Bulletin, Vol. 14, No. 56 (Dec., 1959), p.135.

(2) In another publication, Frank Willett writes:

"The heads were unlike any known African art, and being in a style of quasi-mensurational naturalism, had an immediate appeal to those trained in the canons of European taste. These heads could be judged without condescension as works of art in their own right; they would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer."
Reference:
Frank Willett, Ife and Its Archaeology, The Journal of African History, Vol. 1. No. 2 (1960), p.239.

(3) The first European to see the Ife artworks in 1910, Leo Frobenius remarked that they were:
"eloquent of a symmetry, vitality, a delicacy of form directly reminiscent of ancient Greece."
Reference
Leo Frobenius, quoted in Ekpo Eyo: Two Thousand Years, p.100.

(4) William Bascom



Guess what, all these expert testimonies were made many years (sometimes many, many years) after the world had already seen all that Benin Kingdom has to offer in terms of art.

You can't insults your way out of it. I repeat, the only ancient civilisation that the world know and recognize in this space called Nigeria is Benin. It's Benin that makes racist Europeans know that the black man can think logically.

If you like, copy and paste from now till eternity, Benin will always remain the only recognised ancient civilization in southern Nigeria.

TAO12:
Fight with the experts who made all the submissions I cited such as is seen below:


I guess experts are only accurate when their submissions coincides with Benin delusions (such as is seen in some of the YouTube videos)


He is still dazed.

Whatever your experts have to say doesn't count and are not referenced or cited when the world daily visits museums across the world to marvel at a great Africa civilisation called Benin.

Various world super powers are competing to build the best museums to create special sections for Benin artworks. Benin artworks are daily disabusing and changing the minds of Europeans who initially thought that the Black man was not capable of building a civilisation. I hardly see Ife or your experts being mentioned, all I hear is Benin.

You want all to believe Ife is responsible for Benin greatness , yet there is nothing like Ife civilisation that the world are studying and debating daily.

Everything you have to say ends in Nigeria. You should be contended with your local Ife.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrdunRXfbw

TAO12:
He is still battling his loss.

He can't imagine what hit him. He's dazed.

Don't forget guys, he has never in his life produced anything called evidence.

I think producing evidence to substantiate a claim is a taboo in Benin kingdom.

Anyways, for a summary of recent scholarship on metal technology in Nigeria and Yorubaland, refer to the following:

(1) Bassey W. Andah: "Iron Age Beginnings in West Africa: Reflections and Suggestions," West African Journal of Archaeology, 9, 1979, 135-150.

(2)David Aremu: "Change and Continuity in Mettalurgical Traditions: Origins, Technology and Social Implications," in Ogundiran: Precolonial Nigeria, 133-155.

Those two should be sufficient. We are, however, still waiting for you to produce anything even remotely close to 160AD from Benin Kingdom.

We are also waiting on your insults on D. M. Bondarenko for stating clearly that your first three Ogisos are Ife-Yoruba emissaries.

Wow, so the Ogiso were also from Ife, Benin/Ife relationship didn't just start with the Obas, how would it be, because the Benin could also refer to the Ogiso era, which will still make Benin older than Ife.

So by extending the Benin/Ife relationship to the Ogiso era, that will make up of that period in Ife history. But don't forget that there are also other periods in Benin history that predates the Ogiso era. How would you make up for this periods.

You expect me to believe that you were not filled with envy from those video clips on Benin artworks. The revelations that the world are daily learning, studying and teaching their children Benin history is just going to quadruple your efforts to ensure Benin and Ife/Yoruba are welded together by all means possible.

I wouldn't be surprised to see another post from you linking earlier Benin historical periods to Ife, such is your obsession with Benin. The problem is how would you now change European, Canadian, Australian, America etc archives of Benin history that doesn't reference Ife. When these people outside Nigeria teaches Benin history, they don't reference Ife, so Ife is missing from Benin world and international history.

All the fabrications here amounts to a complete waste of time, they don't count, they are not recognised by rest of the world that hold Benin as one of the very few Africa civilisations. Your efforts unfortunately only amounts to exercise in futility. It must be heartbreaking.

TAO12:
Eeeeeeyaaaaah!

He has unfortunately used up his lie bank and his now stuck what lie to write in the face of the following:

(a) Widespread Yoruba accounts and surviving use of the Ife royal metal scepter in Yorubaland (including in Benin)

(b) Scholarly submission that his first three Ogisos (who they recently ironically consider to bemythical beings) are emissaries from Ife.

(c) Archaeological evidence that iron smelting is way way way earlier in Yorubaland than in Benin kingdom.

Very satisfying, isn't it?

Having said that, a gentle reminder below:

I was waiting for the archeological evidence and interpretation of how Ife was the first to use it and you didn't fail.

Any Ife story that doesn't involve the citing of Benin and archeology and anthropology amounts to nothing.

Whilst you are doing your fabrications on nairaland, I am very satisfied that the rest of the world are daily learning the real history of Benin.

TAO12:
Ancient Ife artworks are found in Museums all over the world in Britain, in the U.S. et al. not because they were looted as punishment against the wish of their original owners.

Your elders cry and grief daily while begging that the punishment is enough, and that their artworks be returned. Yet a lost Benin is here on Nairaland priding himself on the very thing that brings daily tears to his parents.

And regarding the royal metal scepter, well it's a pity that you're ignorant, but my duty is to educate you as always.

The royal insignia of a metal scepter called Ada, Ida or Agada (depending on the dialect of the part of Yorubaland or beyond) emanates from Ife.

And such picture is not private, may be private for you ans Binis. We see not only such a picture of Oba Okunade Sijuwade, but also of his predecessor, Oba Adesoji Aderemi, and of his successor, Oba Adeyey Ogunwusi.

Moreover, this metal royal insignia is found all over Yorubaland, from Ife itself, to NorthWest Yorubalands such Oyo where it is called Ida; to Southern Yorubalands where it is called Agada.

In Oyo for instance where it is called Ida Oranmiyan, it has to be taken back to Ife for reconsecration whenever a new Alaafin is to be crowned.

Reference
R. C. C. Law, The Heritage of Oduduwa, (1973), pp.210-211.[size=8pt][/size]


Examining The Stronger Evidence:

The practice of casting metals (iron smelting particularly) is not known by experts to be earlier in Benin kingdom than in Yorubaland.

Archaeological evidence of metal working sites within Yorubaland date to at least 160AD. Nothing comes even remotely close to this from Benin kingdom.


Moeover, now that you are willing to disgree with your fellow Bini Nairalanders that Ogisos are real and not mythical:

Let's see, then, what scholars have to say regarding the second Ogiso of Igodomigodo land --- Ogiso Ere --- whom you've attributed (without any evidence) the origin of the royal Benin Ada to: See attachment.

In sum, the attached scholarly submission as well as the archaeological evidence comes to corroborate the widespread Yoruba account that royal scepters (including those of Benin kingdom) emanated from Ile-Ife.

The lies in your write ups are so much that I find it hard at times to read your posts. Ada is now from Ife, you are a fantastic liar and not ashamed of it. I am sure you also have an answer for why the Ooni stop using it.

gregyboy:
TAO11

Every important traditional rulers in southern and middle belt Nigeria are all using Benin traditional emblems. From Obi of Onitsha to Ooni of Ife, they were/are all using Ada and Eben sceptre. The Attah of Igala is wearing the Benin Idia mask around his neck. Numerous of them borrowed and replicated the Benin traditional chieftaincy titles.

What do Benin get in return for all these, insults upon insults from those that should be appreciative and grateful.

I warned them before, let them keep debating the Benin and see what is left of their Ife myths destroyed beyond repair.