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MelesZenawi:
Not interested in bini issues but just blocking any history that wants to breathe or rears it's head...

Have you not see the recent broadcast from your leader Nnamdi Kanu claiming that Igodomigodo land and people were Igbos? One of his mission is to unite eastern Igbos with what he called Edo and Delta Igbos, he blamed Ohaneze not to have done this in the past.

The truth is, Benin is the beautiful bride every one wants to associate with. The Yorubas are celebrating their links with Benin and now Nnamdi Kanu is claiming the entire Edo/Benin for the Igbos.

What else can a Benin person do other than to be proud of his heritage.

MelesZenawi:
Is it a crime for you to call the name of the senator?

Must it be google issue?

The guy is a liar.

Franca Afegbua is a Nigerian beautician and politician who represented Bendel North in the Nigerian Senate in 1983. Elected as a National Party of Nigeria (NPN) senator, she was the first elected woman senator in Nigeria. Afegbua was born in Okpella, Edo State.
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AreaFada2:
Ok. I take moving with the times as the key message.

I also think the "universality" of the word Oba has increased its attractiveness in Yorubaland. Oba became a stand alone superior title after Ogiso era in Benin. Pre-Eweka I it was Oba-Godo as Ogiso, from Eweka it became Oba. I believe the other matter is that there was no other ruler called Oba as a title within core Benin territory or areas that originally came under Benin rule. The lesser title Enogie (mostly princely dukes, Oba's younger brothers/younger sons made provincial rulers) & chiefs (Ogie) were devolved to those people.

For example, in Esanland, Onoje are the normal titles of traditional rulers there. Orodje, Ovie & other titles in Urhobo land. The first Olu of Warri (Prince Ginuwa of Benin) only got the title "Ogiame" or Lord/ruler of the Seas from his father Oba Olua when leaving Benin.

That set the title Oba apart long ago already among Edoid people. Whereas Oba title seems ubiquitous in Yorubaland. The Yoruba who sees many Baales turned Obas everywhere in Yorubaland may not readily realise the singular significance of it in Benin.

If I read the Yorubas correctly, the Oba title was initially met for lesser kings and somehow their superior kings are now using it. It's like the Oba of Benin changing his Oba title to Ogie.

If this is not an attempt to twist logic on it's head, then I don't know what it is.

The reason everyone from baale, ewi, Ooni, Awujale, etc, who are on the same level to Old Benin empire equivalent of Eleko, Ogiame, Ogiegor are now switching or adding the Oba to their original title is to pretend to elevate themselves to the singular enviable position of the Oba of Benin.

The original and only true Oba is the Oba of Benin, others currently using the title are copycats doing so for the prestige the title has earned for close to a thousand years as the title of Oba of Benin.

Before 1940, none of these senior Obas in Yoruba land used that title, but in less than a century, they have completely appropriated the title to themselves to the extent of even now claiming ownership and origin of the title.

The Oba title is completely being desecrated in Yoruba land by every Tom, dick and harry chiefs who now referred to themselves as Oba. These people hardly know the respect such title carries in it's original birthplace of Edo.

No single chief or Enogie within the Benin kingdom dear add the Oba title to their original title the way the Yoruba baale, ewi and chiefs are doing. Their lack of respect for the title shows that they borrowed it and don't fully understand it's significance.

Bhadmus77:
https://punchng.com/breaking-finally-embattled-ex-nddc-md-nunieh-testifies-before-reps/?amp=1

She can testify from now till next year, the house of representatives are only interested in the looted amount for them to go and negotiate their share with the looters. At the end of her testimony, no one one will be punished or imprisoned.

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EDO 2020: THE RIGGING PLANS OF THE APC (PART 2)

Our introductory shot on this series itemised the various options being contemplated by the APC to rig the Edo 2020 election. Let's proceed with the details:

The Imo/Uzondima Results Writing Template (RWT)
Below is the outline of this template:

1. Procure, from INEC, sufficient copies of Form EC8A (that's the sensitive INEC document in which the polling units results are entered)
2. Monitor all the polling units which were problematic and elections were cancelled. You can even create problems if there are non.
3. Forge results of those problematic polling units and enter the concocted figures into the procured forms EC8A.
4. Remove the original copy and the first pink copy from the bunch. Keep other pink copies met for party agents for possible tribunal fireworks in case the original ones are rejected at the wards collation centers. Remember that absence of parties' agents signatures in the form EC8A does not invalidate the result.
5. Head towards the wards collation centers for submission of the original and the first pink copy.
6. When the wards collation officers refuse to accept the forged results, rush to the election tribunal to claim unlawful exclusion of the results of polling units where you won.
7. Follow the legal fire works up to supreme court with the hope that Oshiomhole would deploy unfair means to corrupt the judicial system and make you a supreme court governor.

As I pen down these words, Supreme Court Gov Hope Uzondima, the beneficiary of such electoral heist in Imo state, is the deputy chairman of the APC Campaign Council for the Edo 2020 election. He is deputizing the dollar-loving Gandollar of Kano. Hope is bringing his experience to bear on the Edo election.

How Hope Uzondima Wrote Imo Results:
In carrying out his satanic results writing scheme in Imo state, Hope, in company of 10 youths, one INEC official and a top police officer, checked into the presidential suite of Oxygen Holiday Resorts located at Lady Annas Lane, Area H, New Owerri, Owerri. The INEC chap came with about 366 copies of form EC8A. Meanwhile, bad boys have been stationed at carefully selected polling units across the state to disrupt the elections. They succeeded in disrupting about 388 units, and each successful disruption was duly communicated to Hope and his men in the hotel. The 10 chaps would then enter some figures into the result sheets. While filling in these concocted figures into the forms EC8A, the desperation to win at all costs prompted them to throw caution to the winds and embraced impunity as an adopted child. Few details suffice. Imo state has 27 LGAs and 305 wards. At Eziama/Okpala ward, polling unit 8 (Umualum Square, Eziama), the total number of registered voters is 462 but Uzodinma scored himself 819 votes and scored PDP 7 votes. In Obudiaro ward in Natura LGA, Polling Unit 12, Central Assembly Square Amusa II, the total number of registered voters is 449. Hope allocated 780 votes to himself and PDP 4 votes. In Umuozu Ward in Isiala Mbano LGA, Umuchoko Town Hall Polling Unit 6, 367 persons were registered as voters. Hope Uzodinma scored himself the whole 367 with PDP scoring 4. Perhaps, some kind of magical voters from the outer space must have consoled the PDP with the 4 votes not found in the voters register! In Umunkwo Ward, also in Isiala Mbano LGA, in Community Primary School Umuopara Polling Unit 06, the total registered voters is 526, with Hope scoring the whole 526 and PDP scoring 2 votes. In all these units, Hope scored himself 98% and allocated some meagre figures to PDP. Interestingly, no single vote was allocated to the other 68 parties who participated in the election. They didn't give a damn about this anomaly because Oshiomhole was there to help with the needful when the need arises. And Oshiomhole did it at the supreme court!

How do they plan to replicate this in Edo election? Which units are they targeting? Where would be their results writing camp this time around? How can this evil plan by the APC be defeated by the good people of Edo state?
See you in the next edition...

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EDO 2020: Kassim Afegbua, Please Leave Okpella Out Of Your Games.

KASSIM AFEGBUA: "The roads in my limestone community of Okpella have remained mere eyesore, begging for completion from where Oshiomhole took them, yet, Okpella contributes hugely to the internally generated revenue. Thrice, Governor Obaseki came to promise my people, raised their hopes, and dashed their hopes without qualms. Is that a candidate that should earn my vote?"

LUKMAN: "My brother, I advise you leave Okpellans to nurse the wounds inflicted on us by Oshiomhole's government in which you were a Media Adviser, and then a commissioner. During this period, you were quick to boast to us that you're the closest person to Oshiomhole. As a Media Adviser & then, Communication Commissioner, it was your brief to communicate to the public all the programmes of Oshiomhole's government. For good 8 years, you published Oshiomhole's projects starting from budgeting, through execution to commissioning. During those 8 years of publishing Oshiomhole's projects, why didn't it occur to you to check and query why Okpella roads were not included in your publications? For 8 years!! Haba, Kassim!! While you were boasting to your audiences how close you were to Oshiomhole, your colleagues were busy inserting their communities' projects into the budgets and they ensured their executions. Mike Itemuagbor ensured North Ibie roads were constructed. Philip Shaibu, as House Member, ensured that all the roads in his Uzairue/South Ibie constituency were constructed; Hajia Maryam, the commissioner from Auchi, ensured that most Auchi roads were budgeted for and constructed, Clement Agba, a commissioner from Uzanu, ensured that all roads in Uzanu community were constructed. Most of the roads across the various communities in Edo state were influenced by the commissioners and Special Advisers in Oshiomhole's government, the same position you also occupied for good 8 years. In Okpella, it took the intervention of Engr. Akemokue Lukman and Hon. Henry Idogun to prevail on Oshiomhole to do just 1.8km portion of the road leading to our ward 7, Afokpella, where we come from. Governor Obaseki completed the 4.2km portion of the same Afokpella road within just 2 years of his administration. Kassim, you're from ward 5, Awoyemi, which has the worst road in Okpella, and even in Nigeria. For 8 years in Oshiomhole's government, what did you do to ensure the construction of ward 5/Awoyemi road? Please tell Okpella people! You think our people are fools? Okpella people, especially those from your ward 5, know that the only development you attracted to them is the personal mansion you built on the land belonging to Ikpomaza Grammar School. And that is a government/public land you fraudulently encroached and appropriated for your personal use against the educational future of Okpella children. Kassim, I advise you to bury your head in shame and allow Okpella people to nurse the wounds inflicted on us by Oshiomhole, through your recklessness. Please we don't want your emotional massage that is mischievously ingrained in your worthless homily designed to further confound and confuse our people, while you plot another scheme to seize more school lands to extend the scope of your mansion. Our people have decided to take our destiny into our hands and trust in Obaseki/Shaibu to extend its enormous goodwill to our community as the second phase of this government beckons. Okpellans are convinced that the shortest and most reliable political roadmap to realize the completion of our roads is through the reelection of Obaseki/Shaibu ticket. Okpellans cannot trust another Oshiomhole-incubated government of pastor Ize-Iyamu because our people know and appreciate that Oshiomhole has a special place in his heart where he reserves his special hatred for our community and our people. Oshiomhole is the number one enemy of Okpella, so anything the pathological hater promotes would be massively rejected. So keep Okpella out of your deceptive games. God bless you, my brother.

Engr. Lukman, firing live from somewhere.

Emilokoiyawon:
Yorubas are under nobody. You know it. Stop consoling your broken spirit. Kill yasef.

Apart from your Fulani overlords in Ilorin, your Muslim brothers including Tinubu and you muslim Obas are under the Sultan of Sokoto. You can't commence your Muslim festivals without the Sultan of Sokoto who is your supreme leader giving the go ahead, so the Yoruba are under the North spiritually and politically.

gregyboy:
Hate speech


May ogun bend that your mouth


And the end of the day we will leave yorubas with the north for a peaceful reunion

Bunch of weaklings

Yoruba are already under the North politically and spiritually.

senatordave1:
No sir.you erred.these are adhoc committees with temporary jobs.NEC only meets very rarely so there's no way they will set them up.nec does not set up any committee

NEC are met to be meeting every 3 to 6 months for decisions such as this and others. APC register is also met to be updated regularly to remove those that died and include new members.

You can see the numbers of cases and seats the APC have lost under Oshomole's leadership. The party is not being run properly by Oshomole.

drskyfly007:
read it again...it said it will comprise of a chairman and members..It is not referring to chairman of APC per say..Every committee set up for such functions usually has a chairman and members, that's what that part means..

On the contrary, obaseki can use this as a loophole..It clearly says it is the NEC that will recommend these set up of people..Not NWC as headed by oshiomhole..

Oshiomholes power is actually limited despite being the chairman of APC but he is oblivious of that fact

These people are driven by emotions, some of them can read but lack the ability to properly comprehend what they read.

All actions of Oshomole so far can be challenged in court, Oshomole is giving Obaseki too much reasons to upturn all his decisions in court as invalid.

1. Oshomole sent a letter to INEC on 19th about the decision of NWC that was yet to take place, the meeting took place on 21st May 2020.

2. Oshomole has changed the state secretariat in violation of article 8 of APC constitution.

3. Oshomole opted for direct primaries without the inputs of the state chapter as agreed upon in the last APC NEC meeting.

4. Oshomole has just set up the screening committee in violation of article 9 of APC constitution.

5. Oshomole haven't been suspended in his ward, local government and state and with the case still in court, should have recused himself from all APC decisions because if the court upheld his suspension, all his actions thus far will be null and void.

Oshomole is either not very clever or he is out to destroy the APC.

ajailer:
I listened to him on NTA news yesterday night at the presidential Villa where he said, "we cannot turn back the hands of the clock"... dis got me wondering, is Obaseki now seeking for peace and wishing what happened between them(court case against oshiomole) never happened?

He is saying that he can't upturn and undo what he has done. He will not give in and all should stick with his previous decisions and move forward. The house of assembly will not be inaugurated twice. No deal with Oshomole.

Eberejesus111:
Good so not to cause confusion, then they should begin a cultural reformation. Like the name change and all more vigorously. Rather than sharing language affinities with similar counterparts.

As you said the English came out from Germany and Denmark, but you don't see them calling themselves Malsrov, Naim, or Olia...and their cultures have been so differentiated that you can see the difference. I believe this is what the Igbos are trying to pass across.

Why do the Igbos always get offended when Anioma and Ikwerre say they are not Igbo, don't Igbo have enough numbers already that they want to forcibly swallow up others around them.

Population doesn't necessarily leads to greatness, Israel is highly regarded and influential in the world today not because of their landmass or population size.

The Fulani that are probably the most influential ethnic group in Nigeria today are a fraction of Igbo in population. Rather than forcing igboness and insulting those that don't want to be identified as Igbo, you guys should be making more effort to advance to a position that people would want to force themselves to be Igbo. You can't just wish and pronounce Igboness on people, they have to be comfortable with it.

Why do the Igbos think that most Anioma and Ikwerre will rather identify with Benin ancestry rather than Igbo, what is so special about Benin that Anioma and Ikwerre people would want to deny their Igbo ancestry if they were Igbo to begin with.

Igbo is an umbrella body created to unite formerly independent tribes due to similarities in culture, language and closeness of common boundaries. Those independent tribes have to be comfortable enough to buy into the project.

Unfortunately, the Nigeria civil war and seperation of south south from east did enormous damage to the Igbo project before it could take concrete root, the Yoruba umbrella project was more successful because they became the part of Nigeria that triumphed over Biafra.

The Nigeria civil war took off the shine and prestige of wanting to be Igbo, why would anyone want to be part of defeated Igbo nation when they can be independent.

The incentive is no longer there. The Anioma and Ikwerre people don't have to be part of a larger Igbo nation to advance themselves politically, socially and economically.

Ekwutox:
Ironically if this Eric Amadi were to commit a heinous crime and it shows on front page, nobody and i mean nobody would call out bini people but would blame igbos for his crime.

Let them make more efforts in changing their Igbo like names to bini names.

E.g since Nwike is now wike

Ụmụ is now rumu

Obigbo is now oyigbo

Then Amadi should be the ramadi, ramad or even ramadion let it sound more bini like.

Benin also bears Amadi and Okoro

lawani:
the Yoruba are now united and forever will be, thanks to the British. Next phase is for us to get our own nation outside Nigeria

That will be nice but what would you do about the fact that most of your people and obas have to look towards the Sokoto caliphate for their spiritual guidance rather than Ife and the Ooni.

You may get political freedom from Nigeria but will still be under the religious and spiritual leadership of the Fulani Sultan of Sokoto.

All Yoruba muslims are still under the supremacy of the Sultan of Sokoto. He is the one that has to sight the moon before you guys begin the Muslim festivals.

lawani:
if the British did not come, Ibadan may have won the lengthy civil war and restored order like it was before.

We don't know that for sure, but even if Ibadan had won, it's not guarantee that another Yoruba tribe wouldn't have risen up in the future to challenge Ibadan and the wars and human sacrifices will just continue.

We have to thank the British for coming to put a permanent stop to it. The Yoruba can now enjoy their new conglomerate and unification in peace.

lawani:
You are right. The Yoruba sphere is a world of its own consisting of a number of sovereign states and city states. Oyo was an empire and the largest of them receiving tributes from as far away as Ghana.

If the British haven't come to save the day, the various Yoruba tribes would have still been using themselves for human sacrifices with Ife preferring the Ijesa, whilst the Benin preferred using the Ijebus for human sacrifices according to Johnson's book.

lawani:
i believe they used criminals and enemies mostly.

These criminals and enemies would have been people from other Yoruba tribes.

lawani:
i would say the ancient Ijesa would prefer oyo because they were our sworn enemies but things were not that bad that random strangers were being use. Ijesa markets used to be very full of strangers and they were not molested.

In ancient times various Yoruba tribes saw themselves as strangers and used each others for human sacrifices until the British abolished the practice in 1893.

lawani:
ijesa used strangers for sacrifice too. I am not here to apportion blames and the ijesas have no history of anyone used by Ife for sacrifice.

Are the people you referred to as strangers, same Yoruba people or other tribes.

lawani:
no Yoruba state is allowed to be at war with ife, so they were not enemies but they can be strangers using each other for sacrifices.

So Ife people are allowed to use other Yorubas such as Ijesa for human sacrifices but Ijesa are not allowed to fight Ife. What about the recent Ife and Modakeke fight.

And this is what Johnson says about Ijebu

Regarding "food", the historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

lawani:
you use strangers or enemies for human sacrifice so I am not saying the story is not true. Ife can't be using Ijebu because Ijebu is too far.

I don't know if you were able to open the link to Johnson's book, it says Ijebu were also used.

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_the_Yorubas.html?id=7XSiGw4_qlAC

Are you saying Ijesa were strangers and enemy to the Ife people, that was why they used them for human sacrifices.

lawani:
Samuel Johnson was quoting the Ifes, he wasn't there but I am telling you the real meaning of Ijesa and that Samuel Johnson liked that account being oyo. The Ijesas had a greater and better organised state than ife.

If Ijesa and Ijebu were originally Oduduwa children, why will Ife used them for human sacrifices.

Why will Ife people tell Johnson about using Ijebu and Ijesa people for human sacrifices if the story wasn't true.

lawani:
the real meaning of ijesa is Ijo esa congregation of the elite. The Ijesa and oyo were sworn enemies in the past and rev Johnson was an oyo which made him hold fast to that account. The ijesa state was more populous and greater than the ife state.

Samuel Johnson was alive during these periods in 1893 when the British abolished human sacrifices. It's not like the history was passed down from earlier times, it was still being practiced in Samuel Johnson's time before the British stopped the practice.

gregyboy:
What state is ijesha am not asking you if you share boundary with my ancestors or not

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_the_Yorubas.html?id=7XSiGw4_qlAC

This is what the Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson recorded about the Ijesa relationship with Ife. Check the attached link above.

Ife preferred to use Ijesa people for human sacrifices until the British abolished it in 1893.

The history of the Yoruba people, Samuel Johnson, page 21, 1921.

On same page 21, it was recorded that the Ijebus were also used for human sacrifices.

Suddenly all of them are now claiming Ife princes and princesses.

Don't forget Samuel Johnson was alive in 1893 when the British abolished human sacrifices, this is what I call eyewitness account.

lawani:
Maybe in the past, during the time of oduduwa when they made their bronzes and when segi beads were popular. Ife is a spiritual capital where human civilization started according to Yoruba thought. Ife is also an independent state now while Ijesa is also an independent state neighbour to ife. According to Ijesa accounts, the first ooni was birthed by a bond woman property of oduduwa but impregnated by owa ajibogun the first owa of ijesaland and son of oduduwa. There was a civil war in Ife and ajibogun said the child in the bondwomans womb should be made king. That was the first ooni. Ijesa people believe owa ajibogun impregnated his father's bond woman who gave birth to the first ooni.

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_the_Yorubas.html?id=7XSiGw4_qlAC

This is what the Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson recorded about the Ijesa relationship with Ife.

Ife preferred to use Ijesa people for human sacrifices until the British abolished it in 1893.

The history of the Yoruba people page 21, 1921.

" But one fact holds good down even to our days, viz., that up to the recent total abolition of human sacrifice by the British Government (1893) the Ifes, who, far more than any other, were addicted to the practice, always preferred for the purpose to have an Ijesa victim to any other; such sacrifices were considered more acceptable, the victims being the "food of the gods.""

[quote author=gregyboy post=89320123][/quote]They claimed that all their foremost Yoruba historians from Samuel Ajayi Crowther, Samuel Johnson to R. C. C. Law wrote nonsense, the only stories that makes sense to their tribal egos are the latterday revisionist stories that centered around stealing Benin history to fortify Ife myths.

AreaFada2:
At coronation in 2016 Oba Ewuare II said some of the above in a diplomatic way, being an ex-diplomat.

That others can write their own history as they like, Benin is not to dictate to them but Benin has it own unshakable history. And only Benin has authority over that history.

Do you see them.dragging the history of other tribes? No. Because the history of other tribes doesn't have the impact Benin history has internationally. Oba doesn't travel abroad to sell Benin history to be relevant.

Our history has sold itself effortless since 5 centuries. Diaspora kids in the West do Benin history before the age of 8 at school.

Salt, sugar and honey need no TV advert. Draggers want bask in the glory of our history. And claiming the Benin is part of them is the easiest way to achieve that.

If not I see no reason why they have dedicated so much time to Benin matter. When people resort to insults and agbero tactics it's typically due to envy. Frustration and not having their way realising that their hubris over education and monopoly over knowledge was fuelled by empty pride, tribal zealotry and ego.

Without the fabrications of Benin history, Ife myths cannot stand the test of time, it's already badly shaken.

After all the braggadocio of being sophisticated and the most educated, they and most of their Obas have to look up to the North that they disparage as cattle rearing illiterates for spiritual and religious leadership.

What happened to the almighty Ife, cradle of their civilisation and Ooni, who is supposed to be the spiritual leader.

Benin history is the oxygen still keeping what is left of Ife myth going.

gregyboy:
Oduduwa was a myth he never ruled ife..... Oromiyan was a myth too this was said by Samuel Crowther in 1840

Samuk
AreaFada2
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Ghostwon
Valirex

The Yoruba can believe whatever they want to believe but they should try as much as to limit their beliefs to themselves.

There is absolutely no basis for comparing Benin iron cast history that was bath and watered with thousands of blood of both fallen heroes, heroines, including kings and victims for centuries with Ife recycled myths of 19th century.

The written history of Benin up till 1897 can't be changed by mere wishful thinking of detractors, the best they can do is to conjure and misrepresent what was written, it's left for the Benin that come across such fabrications to always point out that there was nothing written about Benin/Ife relationship in the first four hundred years of Benin history.

It has been proven here that Benin written history made no mention of Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan for the first four hundred years.

Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan came into Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897. All recycled myths and inconsistencies in the accounts of the origin of Oduduwa have carried on since.

In the past 100 years Oduduwa has assumed various forms and personalities, from being a mythical figure from the sky, Mecca indigine, Benin prince and most recently Ife indigine.

Those that want to continue debating myths as history are free to do so.

There will always been indisputable facts until proven otherwise.

1. Benin had nothing to do with Ife for the first four hundred years of Benin written history.

2. Benin kingdom influence was felt for centuries in what is today, Western, South Eastern, South Southern and Middle Belt Nigeria.

3. After the British put an end to Benin empire in 1897, the Oba of Benin continue to remain the custodian of the Benin culture, spiritual head and guardian.

4. Some of those the British freed from the clutches of the Benin empire have found new religious, political and spiritual leadership in the Sultan of Sokoto. Nothing to be jealous about because Benin, a southern minority had their turn for 500 years. The Northern minority Fulani caliphate is less than 250 years into their political, religious and spiritual subjugation and are yet to influence majority of the south southern and south eastern people.

5. Whenever Nigeria is restructured, Benin will continue to maintain it's independent religious and spiritual identity and those that want to steal Benin history will continue to look up north for religious and spiritual guidance.

There are absolutely no basis to compare Benin empire history with Yoruba history and Oba of Benin with any Yoruba Oba because most Yoruba people and Obas are under the Sultan of Sokoto religiously and spiritually.

To some, anyone that doesn't agree with their recycled 20th and 21th centuries myths and fabrications are ignorant and illiterate.

The Yoruba had the opportunity in 1897 to chat an independent course after the fall of Benin but they refused, they should stop dragging Benin history into the mould with their inferiority complex and religious and spiritual slave mentality.

They come here to parrot Ife and Ooni as the cradle of Yoruba civilisation but look to the caliphate for spiritual guidance. They can't begin their annual religious and spiritual practice without their supreme leader, the Sultan of Sokoto siting the moon and give the go ahead.

Myths hardly stand the test of time, the reason the myth of Ife and Oduduwa being the religious, spiritual and cultural homeland of the Yoruba have crumbled is less that a century.

They are quick to point to the Igbos as having no history, if you have concrete history that are not myths, why would it crumbled already.

Benin real history is growing stronger in spite of all that have been thrown at it.

Yes the Benin people are stubborn in protecting their history and heritage.

gregyboy:
Oduduwa was a myth he never ruled ife..... Oromiyan was a myth too this was said by Samuel Crowther in 1840

Samuk
AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Ghostwon
Valirex

The Yoruba can believe whatever they want to believe but they should try as much as to limit their beliefs to themselves.

There is absolutely no basis for comparing Benin iron cast history that was bath and watered with thousands of blood of both fallen heroes, heroines and victims for centuries.

The written history of Benin up till 1897 can't be changed by mere wishful thinking of detractors, the best they can do is to conjure and misrepresent what was written, it's left for the Benin that come across such fabrications to always point out the there was nothing written about Benin/Ife relationship in the first four hundred years of Benin history.

It has been proven here that Benin written history made no mention of Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan for the first four hundred years.

Oduduwa, Ife and Oranmiyan came into Benin after the fall of Benin in 1897. All recycled myths and inconsistencies in the accounts of the origin of Oduduwa have carried on since.

In the past 100 years Oduduwa has assumed various forms and personalities, from being a mythical figure from the sky, Mecca indigine, Benin prince and most recently Ife indigine.

Those that want to continue debating myths as history are free to do so.

There will always been indisputable facts until proven otherwise.

1. Benin had nothing to do with Ife for the first four hundred years of Benin written history.

2. Benin kingdom influence was felt in what is today, Western, South Eastern, South Southern and Middle Belt Nigeria.

3. After the British put an end to Benin empire in 1897, the Oba of Benin continue to remain the custodian of the Benin culture and the spiritual head and guardian.

4. Some of those the British freed from the clutches of the Benin empire have found new religious, political and spiritual leadership in the Sultan of Sokoto. Nothing to be jealous about because Benin, a southern minority had their turn for 500 years. The Northern minority Fulani caliphate is less than 250 years into their political, religious and spiritual subjugation and are yet to influence majority of the south south and south eastern people.

5. Whenever Nigeria is restructured, Benin will continue to maintain it's independence religious and spiritual identity and those that want to steal Benin history will continue to look up north for religious and spiritual guidance.

There are absolutely no basis to compare Benin empire history with Yoruba history and Oba of Benin with any Yoruba Oba because most Yoruba people and Obas are under the Sultan of Sokoto religiously and spiritually.

To some, anyone that doesn't agree with their recycled 20th and 21th centuries myths and fabrications are ignorant and illiterate.

The Yoruba had the opportunity in 1897 to chat an independent course after the fall of Benin but they refused, they should stop dragging Benin history into the mould with their inferiority complex and religious and spiritual slave mentality.

They come here to parrot Ife and Ooni as the cradle of Yoruba civilisation but look to the caliphate for spiritual guidance.

Myths hardly stand the test of time, the reason the myth of Ife and Oduduwa being the religious, spiritual and cultural homeland of the Yoruba have crumbled is less that a century.

Benin real history is growing strongly in spite of all that have been thrown at it.

Yes the Benin people are stubborn in protecting their history and heritage.

hayoholla:
Chai! This guys are f***in stubborn

We may have left the scene for over a century, doesn't mean those who more than half of their Obas and traditional rulers are forced convert to foreign Islamic God to be running their mouths.

Who is inferior between the Oba of Benin that doesn't have to wait for signal from any superior leader before commencing the annual Benin festivals, to those Yoruba obas that have to wait for the Sultan of Sokoto to sight the moon and give the go ahead for their festivals and spiritual rituals to begin.

The Yoruba people will forever remain under the supremacy of the foreign Fulani Sultan of Sokoto.

The Fulani came to complete the subjugation Benin started centuries ago, I am waiting for them to come and say this is not the truth.

Are the Yoruba Obas supposed to be looking towards Sokoto and Sultan of Sokoto or the Ooni of Ife and Ife for spiritual guidance.

For centuries, Yoruba worshiped Benin gods and religion that they are now claiming as theirs.

As soon as Islam came on board, they started claiming that Oduduwa was from Mecca, tomorrow when the Igbos rise up to lead Nigeria, the Yoruba will claim Oduduwa was originally an Nri or Arochukwu man.

The present Ooni is already preparing the grounds for such claim by claiming that the Igbos were the original owners of Ife.

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lawani:
the benin kingdom was tributary at various times to the itsekiri, akure and Ibadan.

After telling us that everyone from Edo, Delta, Anambra to Rivers state once spoke the Yoruba language, you are now claiming this?

It's obvious you have read your history books upside down, I haven't see the worst of Yoruba revisionists we have been dealing with so far make these claims, you are operating on a different level.

When some of you display your bigoted ignorance here and claim Benin is suffering from inferiority complex, it begs the question if that word means something else to the Yorubas?

How can the Benin people feel inferior to the Yoruba people when both history of Benin and Yoruba history agree that.

1. The Benin colonised Eastern Yoruba, decapitating any rebellious rulers for centuries.

2. By 1603, Benin have already annexed Lagos, and had a strong military garrison there.

3. There was a specific Yoruba tribe, the Ijebus that the Benin Oba used as human sacrifices to the Benin gods.

4. Benin was a major gun supplier to the Yoruba tribes, which they used to kill themselves during their internecine wars, so much so, the most famous of all Yoruba tribal internecine war got it name Kiriji from the frightening sounds of the Benin guns.

5. Benin written history is more than four hundred years older than Ife written history that began in 1920. Please don't come here and claim the 13th century Yufi in Zimbabwe, south Africa as Ife.

6. Benin 15th century Ogane kingdom and south Africa 13th century Yufi were not Ife.

7. Not even your lord and masters, the Fulani that is ruling you in Ilorin will even have it in their thoughts that Benin is inferior to anyone.

8. Benin didn't even see themselves as inferior to the British, otherwise the 1897 British expedition would have been avoided. Show me any of the Yoruba tribes that showed such bravery and lack of inferiority complex to the white man.

If anyone disputes any of my claims above and want prove, don't hesitate to make the request. These are not claims that are not backed up by historical accounts.