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Romance › Re: Hilarious Things Women Say When Caught Cheating; No 4 Would Break Your Heart by saydfact(op): 4:03pm On Feb 13, 2017
SINZ:
These excuses aren't hilarious.
Thats exactly why its called 'Hilarious'
Health › Re: 5 Dreaded Facts About HIV And AIDS That You Need To Know. by saydfact(op): 4:02pm On Feb 13, 2017
JacksonD7:
Since when did it become a crime to read health info.
lol.... never was grin grin
Romance › Hilarious Things Women Say When Caught Cheating; No 4 Would Break Your Heart by saydfact(op): 11:15am On Feb 13, 2017
10 Hilarious things women say when caught cheating; whatever the reason, infidelity is devastating and brings long-hidden relationship problems to light. Some women cheat simply because they are not satisfied in their relationship.

Below are some of the reasons they give:

1. I don’t even know him -
This statement is surely the exact opposite because how possible is it to cheat with somebody you don’t know. Whenever a women is caught cheating, she immediately denies her cheating partner.

2. I still love you, he is nobody to me -
These Nigerian women will perfectly choose their words to convince you of their innocence. You will catch them cheating and they will still tell you the person is nobody to me.

3. Don’t you trust me -
When they gain little confidence to tell you their cheating partner is nobody to them. Then they confront you with this statement, “Baby you don’t trust me?”

4. It is your fault; you were not there for me -
They blame their cheating on your absence. These Nigerian women are so good at their choice of words that you will believe them almost immediately.

5. I don’t know what came over me -
For struggles only Nigerian women who cheat can understand They try to hide under the pretence of “I don’t know what came over me”. The question is, were they possessed or hypnotized?

6. It is the work of the devil -
It is always the devil, in as much as Eve could blame the serpent (devil) for her actions. This statement is not always far from anyone caught in the act.

7. He is my Uncle -
There is always a distant uncle you don’t know about if your woman cheats. When these women are caught, their cheating partners suddenly become their distant uncle you have never seen or heard about before. Uncle indeed!

8. It is not what it looks like -
Nigerian women when caught cheating, say it not what it looks like. Imagine a woman caught in the act with another man and she is still telling you it is not what you think or what it looks likes, Chai! Were they acting Nollywood movie?

9. He forced me -
When the excuse of the incident being an accident did not work, the next for these women is to accuse her cheating partner of molestation.

10. He is just a Friend -
Even when caught in questionable position with the man, some of these women will still claim they are just friends. Aaaah! Continue, Diaris God.



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Health › Re: 5 Dreaded Facts About HIV And AIDS That You Need To Know. by saydfact(op): 9:47am On Feb 13, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
No.1 is possible because the HIV virus has the ability to adaptively remain in a "latent" state/phase for too long and can go undetected By HIV vaccines and HIV therapy combination "cocktails" still being tried out in labs such as Cold Springs harbor and even Karolinska...


Another is that Anti retrovirals (ARVs) taken by HIV positive patients acts to keep the Virus inactive but fact is the ARVs do not reach all of the HIV population in the body as The HIV virus itself is a "Smart" virus and can also conceal itself and go undetected by medical tech for Years until it manifests.

Besides not all ARVs have the same effect.



P.S: I believe a true cure have been found but is being suppressed and kept "classified" OR not enough efforts are being made to bring the HIV research adventure to its final destination... "A Cure".... because the big pharma companies and political juggernauts of the western world are gaining billions of dollars from the HIV ARVs and Vaccines business.

They don't want the Barry Marshall effect of ulcer to repeat itself.

When Dr Barry (alongside His pathology friend) found Ulcer's cure, that alone ended the business of Ulcer drugs which brought in billions of dollars as patients with ulcer back then had to take the drugs throughout their lifetime.... ulcer was formerly seen as a chronic disease/illness. smiley

nice one OP
Thanks well educating...
Health › Re: 5 Dreaded Facts About HIV And AIDS That You Need To Know. by saydfact(op): 8:09am On Feb 13, 2017
JacksonD7:
Send this message to the fvvck boys and bad girls they need it the most.
and u wasted ur time reading it.. huh grin shocked
Health › 5 Dreaded Facts About HIV And AIDS That You Need To Know. by saydfact(op): 6:15pm On Feb 11, 2017
Below are five (5) Interesting facts you should know about the dreaded HIV and AIDS disease:


1. Do you know that AIDS can take as much as ten years before it starts to manifest? It means a person infected with HIV may look and even feel healthy for that much years, during this period he/she can still transmit the virus to someone else. New discovery medicines can help a person stay healthier for even longer periods of time, however, the person will remain infected with HIV.


2. HIV can also be transmitted when the skin is cut or pierced using an unsterilized needle, razorblade, knife, syringe or any other tool. It means those who inject themselves with drugs or have s€x with drug users are at high risk of becoming infected with HIV.


3. Those who have S€xually Transmitted Infections (STIs) are at greater risk of being infected with HIV. People with STIs should are advised to seek prompt and immediate treatment and avoid s€xual intercourse or practice safer s€x (non-penetrative s€x or s€x using a condom). They are also advised to inform their partners.


4. A HIV positive person can have HIV-free children, this is made possible with advances in medicine making it possible for an HIV positive parent to have a normal and uninfected child. The mother to be only need take the appropriate medication and advice from a qualified consultant doctor during her pregnancy. These medications help in preventing the crossing over of the virus from mother to baby. It means with proper care, an HIV positive person can have a perfectly healthy baby.


5. People with HIV can still have s€x. Most people believe that once infected with HIV / AIDS they will never have s€x again. A person can have s€x but with protection. Since the places that the virus can easily spread is trough the va-gi-na and a-nus, using a quality condom is the best option.


Remember: Say NO  to stigmatization against people living with HIV / AIDS. 


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Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 5:04pm On Feb 11, 2017
Tpadeoye:
thanks so much for this analysis but I have a question, I read your previous post on cost of materials, workmanship etc which is for 3bedroom does it mean if I'm building 2 detachable flats of 3 bedroom each the money will be double or will it remain the same as it is. Please I need your advise. Thank you.
Thanks for following my threads.. I appreciate.

If you're building 2 x 3 bedroom - you won't spend x2 the amount but you'll surely spend more than x1 maybe about x1.75 of the amount... As long as you're building them side by side...

Thanks..
Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 11:30am On Feb 10, 2017
Thanks all for your submission......
Celebrities › Re: Throwback Picture Of Pasuma And Obesere That Would Waoh You. by saydfact(op): 11:14am On Feb 10, 2017
See as dem fine now.... grin grin

Education › Re: See What China Is Doing To Fight Climate Change and pollution by saydfact(m): 10:29pm On Feb 09, 2017
Choiszman:
Wow!!... Why did God give Nigeria natural resources instead of brains cry cry
Seriously? Considering you're a Nigerian
Celebrities › Throwback Picture Of Pasuma And Obesere That Would Waoh You. by saydfact(op): 9:35pm On Feb 09, 2017
Came across this and had to share... .. Money had really transformed them to celebrity status today..


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Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 10:17am On Feb 09, 2017
adanny01:
The bolded is not completely true.

Every site that requires a structural design requires the supervision of a COREN registered structural engineer who signs an undertaking certificate for the construction site. That makes him responsible for structural collapse. No engineer should sign a structural undertaking for a site without his supervision. His supervision must not entail managing the site but simply ensuring quality control and adherence to design.
well said....
Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 9:12am On Feb 09, 2017
ncoolsome:
bt really if u could look all this up in google..why didn't u just look up whose job it ishuhnice write up
hahahahahahahahah - I wanted to provoke a discussion; so we all cld learn.... thanks
Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 9:04am On Feb 09, 2017
abdurrazaq:
@OP, I just have to correct a certain impression that the architect is always the Project Manager. I can agree with most times but not always. Sometimes (and on landmark projects as well) the project manager could be a professional different from both architect and the structural engineer.
On the issue of management, ANY Professional (even outside the built environment profession) can do that so far he/she is duly and legally qualified to do so. While on supervision, no professional has absolute supervisory role to play as each one supervise and take responsibilities for parts of the project designed by him/her.
But, on site works management, only the builder does that ensuring all the various designs of all other professionals are properly implemented.
In summary:
Site Management - Builder (Sometimes loosely referred to as contractor in most part of the world) or Construction Technologist or Construction Manager
Project Management: Any professional (Builder inclusive)
Thanks for the correction, noted...
Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 6:12am On Feb 09, 2017
stepone:
A Professional builder is to supervise a building project. meanwhile there is deference between a builder and a professional builder which is known as a site manager, also sometimes has the title of construction manager, building manager or site agent (project/site/construction supervisor). He or she will oversee operations on a day-to-day basis, and ensure that work is done safely, on time and within budget and to the right quality standards.

An architect is the chief builder as you have said but in Nigeria, you hardly see them on site day to day.

A professional builder is a general building work contractor who can put your whole project together namely (M&E work, translating architectural drawing, and civil work and design on site). The professional builder will assume complete responsibility for the work contracted and give you a warranty once completed.

Professional builders offer:

An extensive business network of suppliers, trades, installers and experts that they draw on as required for your project.

Understanding of the technical aspects of construction in detail and knowing how houses work. They can assess your renovation and explain what is involved, as well as identify potential problems and provide solutions.

Advice on the most suitable approach if your project requires design services, and recommendations for a design professional if needed. Some builders offer both design and construction services. Alternatively, some builders are experienced in working with architects or building designers.

Extensive knowledge of and experience using the latest products and materials. They keep up-to-date and can help you make the selections that will work best for your project and budget.

Familiarity with the regulations and codes in your council area and how the system works.

Consultation with you to determine the right budget for your renovation. They know through experience the cost of materials and labour and therefore are in the best position to offer realistic cost effective construction, to achieve your renovation goals.

A written contract that clearly describes the work, materials to be used, timelines, price, responsibilities of both parties and other details as appropriate.

The ability to organise and manage a project – scheduling workers, trades and delivery of materials; keeping track of expenses; maintaining a clean and safe work site; and minimising the inconvenience to you. When necessary, they know how to deal with the unexpected and the surprises that sometimes occur in a renovation.

And lot more...
Thanks for the contribution.... Once cannot truly undermine the importance of all professional...

Let's keep learning.
Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 5:57pm On Feb 08, 2017
jeftalene:
Kindly refer to the National Building Code to see the role of all construction professionals in the built environment.

'Dictionary definition' only give readers an idea of what a 'word' mean and how it can be used, and thus may not have absolute professional bearing.

FYI
Article 13.12

Which aligns with my submission.
Thanks for the important note.

Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 3:53pm On Feb 08, 2017
Acasian:
owner of design means the person who created the design which is the architect *how do you think urgh* dangote and adenuga are clients
hahahahahaha grin grin
Properties › Re: Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 12:05pm On Feb 08, 2017
Acasian:
only the owner of the design can properly supervise the project without much complications.. the architect should be always in charge everybody has its own part to play and are better trained in their Field so no comparison
Lets make Dangote or Adenuga that Owner - Can he really supervise his project?

Lets also make the owner the average man who knows nothing about building; can he supervise his project? or even manage the project cost?

BUT I AGREE WITH
everybody has its own part to play and are better trained in their Field so no comparison
Thanks
Properties › Re: Factors To Consider When Buying / Renting A House - Comfortable Housing by saydfact(op): 11:36am On Feb 08, 2017
YOU CAN FOLLOW MY LATEST ARTICLE HERE >>> https://www.nairaland.com/3617471/should-supervise-building-project-architects

WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS?
Properties › Re: How To Build Your Comfortable House Earning Little by saydfact(op): 11:36am On Feb 08, 2017
YOU CAN FOLLOW MY LATEST ARTICLE HERE >>> https://www.nairaland.com/3617471/should-supervise-building-project-architects

WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS?
Properties › Re: How To Build Your Comfortable House Earning Little (detailed) Pt 2 by saydfact(op): 11:35am On Feb 08, 2017
YOU CAN FOLLOW MY LATEST ARTICLE HERE >>> https://www.nairaland.com/3617471/should-supervise-building-project-architects

WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS?
Properties › Who Should Supervise A Building Project; Architects, Builders Or Engineers by saydfact(op): 11:32am On Feb 08, 2017
There is an everyday argument on WHO SHOULD SUPERVISE A BUILDING PROJECT; The Architect, Builder or Civil/Structural Engineer?

Well, before we go into details, I'm sure we all agree the Mechanical Engineer shouldn't be responsible for task of ensuring 'Your Design' comes out as expected - conducive and beautiful (Aesthetics). LoL

Lets define the 3 professions we're considering (in alphabetical order)

A. Architect
According to the English dictionary:

* Architect [n.]: A person skilled in the art of building; one who understands architecture, or makes it his occupation to form plans and designs of buildings, and to superintend the artificers employed.

Lets further look at the meaning of 'SUPERINTEND':

* Superintend [v. t.]: To have or exercise the charge and oversight of; to oversee with the power of direction; to take care of with authority; to supervise; as, an officer superintends the building of a ship or the construction of a fort.

We'll stop here for now, while we get the definition of B & C from the same dictionary.

B. Builder
* Builder [n.]: One who builds; one whose occupation is to build, as a carpenter, a shipwright, or a mason.

this definition in my opinion wasn't fair or deep enough so I looked further down:

* Builder; constructor: someone who contracts for and supervises construction (as of a building)
* Homebuilder; home-builder; housebuilder; house-builder: someone who builds houses as a business

This definitions, almost limits the builder to a business man, (that's not my conclusion) - that's what the dictionary thinks.
we'll also come back to argue this, while we look at the last definition 'C' below.

C. Civil/Structural Engineer

* Structural: affecting or involved in structure or construction (ex.: the structural details of a house such as beams and joists and rafters; not ornamental elements; structural damage)

* Civil engineer: an engineer trained to design and construct and maintain public works (roads or bridges or harbors etc.)

* Civil engineering: the branch of engineering concerned with the design and construction of such public works as dams or bridges

Lets summarize the 3 definition on here; The first mentioned structures but noted that these does not include ornamental elements eg pop designs, tiling etc while the other two (from civil) were silent about buildings. The first conclusion we can draw from this definition is that the Civil Engineer is solely responsible for supervising structures like bridges, roads, dams and he has no competition in those area.

Verdict: The dictionary thinks the Architect is the more appropriate person to supervise the building BUT WE WOULD NOT CONCLUDE HERE.


LETS LOOK AT WIKI DEFINITIONS NOW:

* An architect is someone who plans, designs, and reviews the construction of buildings. To practice architecture means to provide services in connection with the design of buildings and the space within the site surrounding the buildings, that have as their principal purpose human occupancy or use. Etymologically, architect derives from the Latin architectus, which derives from the Greek (arkhi-, chief + tekton, builder), i.e., chief builder

Like in the dictionary definitions; wiki gives so much power to the Architect calling him 'CHIEF' -

* Structural engineering is mainly a sub-division of civil engineering where structural engineers are trained to understand, predict, and calculate the stability, strength and rigidity of built structures for buildings and non-building structures, to develop designs and integrate their design with that of other designers, and to supervise construction of projects on site.

* Builder may refer to:

- Construction worker who specializes in building work
- Carpenter, a skilled craftsman who works with wood
- General contractor, that specializes in building work

Off-course wiki didn't rule out the engineer as a supervisor on site - we can only argue that the website seems to have placed him under a 'chief' - perhaps not, AND except we're biased IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the builder is the least recognized among the three. (No dis-respect meant please)


LETS LOOK AT LOGIC / COMMON REASONING:

Starting with C, B then A.

I'M SURE WE ALL AGREE THAT THE CIVIL/STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS ARE INVOLVED IN DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS EG COLUMNS, BEAMS AND SLAB - BASICALLY HE DESIGNS & RECOMMEND ON ALL STEEL WORKS....If we all agree on the above, then 'my question is; SHOULD THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER BE INVOLVED IN ANY BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE HAVE HIS DESIGN INPUT?

Lets support our claims with the Nigeria Approval Process - When seeking approval for a bungalow, all you're required to submit is an Architectural Plan - You would not be required to submit a structural design / calculation sheet until you start going up with a storey on another.

This means; The only person involved in all types of building (emphasis on BUILDING) is the Architect....


WHO UNDERSTANDS THE BUILDING MORE:

A. The person who designed it OR
B. The person who recommended what strength is required to make it stand
C. The person who only received series of drawings and required to build / supervise it

I'll leave every man to his conclusion here.


ACTUAL PRACTICE:

For those of us working with multi-national company, expatriates or dealing with big organizations have you ever noticed that the PROJECT MANAGERS are always Architects?

This is because of the single rule that Architects are the head of the construction team - I'm yet to come across a Project Managed by an Engineering firm or where the NO1 man on site is the Engineer.

Maybe I've just been on the wrong types of projects - which includes Factories, Warehouses, Mega Stores, Luxury apartment etc.

Could this be a co-incidence?


SO; MY QUESTION STILL IS "WHO SHOULD SUPERVISE A BUILDING PROJECT" well, I'm not ruling out the importance of both the Architect & Engineers especially on very complex structures.


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Foreign Affairs › Kenya Female Political Aspirant With Seductive Poster by saydfact(op): 7:48am On Feb 08, 2017
How appropriate is this poster and wld you consider voting such a candidate.


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Romance › Re: Should I Have S€x Before Marriage? (true Life Story) by saydfact(op): 10:11pm On Feb 07, 2017
Jammiiee:
Don't do that. Instead, try a mild level of intimacy to check if his boxers will be swollen. Just to giv u the assurance that his mandigo works. That should be enuf, don't deny ur faith coz of ur first experience.
Don't you think that mild play cld be a temptation on the guy who isn't aware of your intention to confirm only...?
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: I Got A Job On Nairaland by saydfact(m): 4:38pm On Feb 07, 2017
congrats.....
Properties › Re: Kindly Help With A Brief Cost Breakdown On Casting Slab by saydfact(m): 7:20am On Feb 07, 2017
To summarize it, I'll need an ideal of the beams and Reinforcement not just the slab.... The information you shared wld have been enough if it was just a German floor...

I won't advice hollow pots because it's obvious you don't have a supervisor on site and that's more than 'Baba Taju' can handle plus you'll need a structural Engr input.
Properties › Re: Kindly Help With A Brief Cost Breakdown On Casting Slab by saydfact(m): 7:17am On Feb 07, 2017
oparahchi:
Hello Builders, Quantity surveyors in the house. Please I wanna cast a slab with floor area of 175sqm or 26.25 cubic meter. It's on the third floor of an office space.

Can you all help me with an estimated cost breakdown as it relates to materials and labour to enable me plan.

And also do you guys recommend the adoption of clay hollow bricks instead of using reinforced steal bars and concrete so as to reduce the load. Kindly help.

We appreciate your inputs guys! Thanks.
If you've been following my thread u shd be able to do this already... Lol

At this stage what I can calculate for you is cost of concrete but to calculate the cost of Reinforcement in that slab, you'll need to send a bending schedule or Rebar design.

Give a brief info on the Rebar, tag me and I'll help out..

Good Luck
Romance › Should I Have S€x Before Marriage? (true Life Story) by saydfact(op): 6:59am On Feb 07, 2017
My name is Shade (not real name) and this is my true life experience / story.


It was after the Wednesday service of my church and as I made way out of the premises, I missed a step and found myself on the floor. It was sudden and painful, and I remained on the floor a little more than I should, in-fact I remained on the floor until this young gentleman rushed towards me and lifted me up.


Daniel (not real name) is also a member of the church, not one of the regulars but off-course he was well known by few.


We got talking and later became friends - In 4 months I had the opportunity of seeing Daniel only thrice, this was due to his work schedule -  Daniel works outside Lagos and comes into Lagos once a month.


We feel in love and decided to get married after 4 months, we'll age wasn't on our side so it was a easy decision to make. We both agreed because of our faith, there would be no s€x before marriage, and we achieved it. (Maybe that was my greatest undoing) 


On our wedding night, Daniel claimed he was too tired and as his newly wedded wife I understood, but early the next day, he informed me that he had to jet back to work, because he kept getting important calls the previous day, and still I understood. 


Daniel didn't come back until after a month, stayed a day and back he flew to work - when I asked for s€x he said why was I in a hurry after-all we had the entire life time to enjoy it. 


It's 3 months into our wedding and it's become clear that Daniel is impotent. I'm presenting discussing with my lawyers to put and end to the relationship - but since I want to marry and have kids, should I have s€x before my next commitment - but it's against my faith and I don't want to make fall into similar or worse situation again. 


Please advice.. 



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Jokes Etc › Re: Hilarious Comparism Between OBJ, GEJ And PMB Economy by saydfact(op): 6:35am On Feb 07, 2017
.. But that GEJ economy look like Ajebo wey manage gym... OBJ all the way.
Investment › Re: Be A Millionaire Before Age 40 by saydfact(op): 6:32am On Feb 07, 2017
chachanga:
Capacity Building's a must too; all the way.
Nice one Op
Thanks.. Please explain capacity building so we can learn from it too. Thanks
Jokes Etc › Hilarious Comparism Between OBJ, GEJ And PMB Economy by saydfact(op): 8:52pm On Feb 06, 2017
How true is this Comparism, do you agree or disagree, And why?

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Investment › Be A Millionaire Before Age 40 by saydfact(op): 10:00am On Feb 06, 2017

1. Learn how to save and make investment

Its common saying that little drops make an ocean; this phrase applies to every principle in life and wealth creation is not exempted from the list. Most gainfully employed bachelor spend a lot of their free monies on stuffs they don't really need; like expensive shoes, games, high tag phones going for as much as 200k or more, evening life at the clubs and around town - while one cannot ask that you don't partake in some of these activities, it is also important to save when you have less responsibility, no school fees to pay, in readiness for the future. Imagine saving the little you don't need today, 'tomorrow' when you need a capital; you've got it ready already.


2. Have more than one source of income
Income streams are a regular series of payments. In-fact, Building multiple streams of income is no longer a luxury, it has become a necessity to survive in present day economy. Having your only source of income from your job is risky and cannot help your create enough wealth. To become a millionaire and remain there, you'll need your money working for you while you're asleep.


3. Concentrate on earning
If you want to be a millionaire, then you have to put your eyes on the prize. Do not take your eyes off the concept of making more money. You have to find means of increasing your income while doing things to double your savings.
Concentrate on earning and do everything possible to make more money. Follow the money and it will help you see opportunities that can yield in more money.
Find high paying jobs you can have by the side, supply services to those who need and you will make more before you know it. It is important for you to read books that will widen your horizon and teach you the basic things you need to know before staring a business


4. Work on your mentality
If you want to be a controller of millions, then you need to change the way you think. Firstly, you have to believe you can make the money while you go in active pursuit of things that will bring you more money. Stay focused on the goal and keep a positive mindset / mentality. You should constantly remind yourself of the goal and don't derail from it.


5. Move out with like minds
Show me your friends; yes the people you move with have a great influence on who you eventually turn out to be. If you want to be a millionaire, you have to start moving with millionaires or people who have the same dream of becoming millionaires - people who can influence your life, thinking and investments positively and vice versa. You cannot give what you don't have; so learn from the masters.


6. Aim High
Even as you plan on becoming a millionaire, have it in mind to have go beyond the first digit. Having the first one million should not be end point for you; strive to have up to ten million and use the above tips to double the amount as you start. Learn to think big and chase you dreams. Not doing this is the mistake most people make. Remember the popular saying, if you want to land on the moon, aim for the sky.


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