₦airaland Forum

seunmsg:
The only way APC can win is to win the SW and north central and then share votes in the north west and east. Lawan cannot win the SW and he will struggle in NC. Jonathan cannot win SW and SE and SS will be divided because Atiku’s will choose an incumbent governor as his running mate and PDP is very strong in the region.

So, the only realistic chance APC has is either Tinubu or Osinbajo. Both of them can win the SW and NC convincingly. They can even scrap some significant votes in the SS. Add it to whatever the president and APC structure can pull in the north east and west and the party is home and dry.

You don't know what you are talking about. No Yoruba can win outside youruba land convincingly.

AbijaJ:
Lol. All of you keep saying Tinubu should drop out and STILL 'support' whoever it is is you prefer. Why can't they favs (be it Osinbajo or GEJ) go head to head with Tinubu at the primaries if e sure for them? Tinubu has made it clear that he's not stepping down for no bagga, win or lose. Your favs should be man enough to go to the primaries. No amount of blackmail will make Tinubu step down for anybody.

You may have a point. Let's put it this way, after losing, he and his supporters should back Goodluck Jonathan while we in the SE/SS back him too. That's the only chance the South has for now.

Esama:
You igbo are doing it in vain who make a spokesperson to ss.

And you see yourself as spokesman for the South abi?

Tinubu should know that he doesn't even stand a chance at clinching APC ticket. With Atiku's victory, his chances have fallen from 35% to 5%. No one will consider him as a consensus president. No Southerners will vote him even if he emerges and APC knows that and only Afonja votes cannot take him anywhere. The North voting him is out of the equation.

So the slim chance the south has is that Tinubu steps down for Goodluck Jonathan. At least, he has support of the South and the North. That way, power can come to the South.

Tinubu should never forget. SE/SS presidency or power remains in the North.

[quote author=wwwihy post=113273988]After 24 Years of Service and loyalty, PDP has abandoned Ndigbo again!, But ....I CAN bet it, they will start begging for VP slot, vote for Atiku and PDP come 2023[/quote]Anything but an Afonja presidency is okay for Ndigbo. If Tinubu knows what's right for him, he better step down for Jonathan Goodluck. That's the only hope the south has for the next 4 years.

SE/SS or the North continue.

OP, my advice for you is that Tinubu should step down for Jonathan. He is the only hope the south has now.

DeLaRue:
People don't appear to understand what 16 years of northern presidency would mean for them, their children, and even their grand children

Don't believe those who say it doesn't matter where the President comes from. It does when it comes to the North and south.

16 years is enough to rig the economy, politics, and the public sector of this country in favour of a section of the country in a way that can not be reversed for at least 30 years.

Remember recruitment into CBN, NNPC, Customs, the Army, navy, airforce and many more like that? You people have been complaining that recruitment has been overwhelmingly dominated by northerners since Mr Buhari came into power. Now extend that situation across 16 years.

That would mean in another 10 years and for about 20 years afterwards, for every four or five northerners that qualify to be CBN governors, Chief of Army staff or the Navy and Air force equivalent, there will likely be only one southerner that qualify.

So, it matters where a president comes from. It shouldn't, but it does.

Southerners should think. Many northerners are happy for the presidency to return to the South, for balance. They must find the noises from a section of the South insisting if they can't have it it should remain in the North baffling, because it is such a grievous act of self-harm.

You made a lot of valid points but where you're wrong is in faulting a section that prefers power remains in the North if other Southerners deem power should be deprived a section of the south. If a section has not ruled in the North-South arrangement and another section is fixated on scheming them out, what do you expect?

The main dangers facing southern tribes is far from just economic and political marginalization, there is existential threat of ethnic cleansing, which is enough reason why no sensible southern tribe should align with Fulani to grab power, but we saw that happen in 2015. Instead of the same tribe being apologetic for that error, they're rather cheeky, hoping to scheme others in the same south out? I realized that Nigerian tribes lack wisdom when in 2019, two fulanis contested in the major parties in a country of 200 tribes. And most didn't see anything wrong with a tribe bent on conquest and ethnic cleaning handed power perpetually?

We just have to face the fact that at the end of the day, it'll either be conflict or total domination of the South. Every single tribe in the south must have sense or fight a war for survival for not having it.

Foolishbuhari:
No they don't. Matter of fact, they play no single role in how electorate swing their votes.

My point is that they're still like Nigerians since they're Nigerians. If they can be swayed by money, tribe, religion and other factors, so can the voters. Why do you think there are underaged voting in the North? Why do you think that their imams decide for them who to vote in the North? Are you not aware that there is voters buying in the south? Don't you know that there are many Nigerians who hold voters cards because they're expecting to make money from it?

The fact that most of you idealists overlook is that citizens are mostly impoverished by the political class, so inducement is a norm among voters just as theft is a norm among the political class. Nigeria is simply irredeemable unless something drastic happen. And it's getting late.

SE/SS or power remains in the North.

Have you finished insulting Igbo? Now you've become the chairman and chief executive, unity beggar, southern department. My friend, carry seat. We'll discuss after Tinubu has been disgraced on June 7.

Felimax:
Except APC is not giving us Tinubu, else the moment I see Tinubu on ballot I will give Atiku my vote in advance.

South West can keep him their emperor if they so desires.

Tinubu is already a goner. APC will never allow him near there because if the odds against him before PDP primary was 65%, the odds after Atiku emerged is now 95%. In fact, the only Southerner that the cabal can risk is Goodluck Jonathan. Even with Jonathan, it's still would be a rough ride since all those northerners would still back Atiku from behind.

Foolishbuhari:
How many dem be?

But they represent the rest.

Not surprised. Nothing works in the country. Not even podiums that my ancestors built before the white man came and confused Africans

It's good to dream. Dream well.

Foolishbuhari:
Next election will throw up surprises. Nigerians will vote people not parties. Watch

Are those delegates collecting money not Nigerians? Are they different from the people on the street?

It's becoming clearer that the permutations favour the North. At the moment, all eyes are on APC since they wouldn't want to waste the opportunity of consolidating on their northern interest at the expense of a largely divided south. We all saw the greed of a tribe tear down any similitude of cohesion in the south and the consequence?
Not bad. Since our projections has always been SE/SS or power remains in the North.

APC is for Jonathan.
The North is one.
SE/SS or power remains in the North.

We all know that power is going to the north since APCs hide and seek game is to know whether PDP goes South or North. But assuming you're asked the question:

Between Tinubu and Atiku, who will loot more? Kindly answer with reason backing your position.

Just ask who will loot more

Nonsense...is Atiku not a fellow northerner? Praise people who can do what you Southerners cannot.

Who betrayed Jonathan? Was it not Southerners like Amaechi, Tinubu, Rochas and others before giving the northerners the leeway?
Was it not Southern foolish professors that led the blackmail? Even a socalled Nobel Laurette?

Because of the greed of one southern tribe.

tuborme:
The truth is that when Peter Obi became governor in Anambra state, a lot of people including myself typing this were lifted out of poverty without knowing anybody! Do you know that with affordable healthcare alone…. A lot will change in Nigeria. Under Peter Obi, the children of the teachers and pensioners were able to attend private universities just because you were sure of getting your salary, pension and gratuity as and when due…. Without bribing anyone! You are able to plan your finances based on your income! Have you seen all those Anambra secondary schools beating their Oyibo counterparts and wining awards internationally? that was the ground work he did. Human capacity development is the best that can happen to anyone. Currently I employ 15 people directly and another 17 people indirectly…. all going home with minimum wage and above plus allowances! There are so many people like me who benefited and set up SME’s just because the government provided the good environment for people to thrive. Imagine if all the governors do thesame thing. Do you know how many factories came up in anambra while he was governor? Do you know about the Orient refinery and Anambra NIPP? and the Nigerian politics grounding it till today?

During the COVID palliative saga, did you hear of any warehouse in Anambra hoarding palliatives? You did not hear that because the poverty mapping he did was used to deliver those things to the right people. My parents received their own in the comfort of our home without talking to anyone. This is what we talk about building institutions that work. Most of those institutions are still working up till today!

If Peter Obi did not become governor… so many of us would have been Unknown Gunmen, kidnappers, and prostitutes! He gave us hope that we can get it right by being legit and it worked.
Check the whole of the south East, it’s only in Anambra that you will not see autonomous communities here and there with numerous kings. He strengthened those rural institutions instead of weakening them for his selfish interest. Those traditional institutions make governance robust in Anambra up till today.

Now this is remarkable. Exactly the sort of testimony I want to hear and not theories. This evinces that the man actually has something to offer, especially if he was paying workers and encourages small enterprises to thrive. Thanks for this. At least, it is now clear that he built human capacity in the state with its attendant effect.

Perfectbeing:
Every single person in this country know the problem of Nigeria and the solution to the problem but when you give them the power they will become as clueless as Jonathan and ineffectual as Buhari. When you're watching two players play cheese, you'll see all their wrong moves and better movies they would have played but when you enter the game you will start making the same mistakes.

That you Banker friend that knows the amount of money entering and leaving the country would be clueless if he had the power to make a change

So what do you think the problem is? Why is it that the last time this country saw real progress was during the first republic? Don't you think that the progress is linked to the whiteman's influence, since those nationalists, Awolowo, Zik, Okpara, Ibiam and co actually learnt how to make things work from the colonialists? Is there not something wrong with the negro?

Vulturereloaded:
Before you expose your foolishness here. Bring the sea port to Anambra. Bring the border between Nigeria and benin republic to Anambra.

Bring international airport and embassies to Anambra.

Then ensure that all multinational companies have their headquarters in Anambra, before your foolish comparison with lagos.

By the time buhari took over, almost all the states were in need of bailout funds. All the states in the South east, went for bailout except Anambra state.

All the states in the south west went for bailout except lagos.

Anambra was the least indebted state in Nigeria.

It tells you that peter obi would do far better with lagos resources.

Common sense is truly not common.

You're not making sense. There are countries that do not have all those this you mentioned, but still developing, developed or even prosperous. Some do not even have natural resourced like Africa but they're working. That Nigeria isn't working is simply the quality of people in it. That's why some of you are already waiting for 10k, 5k or even 2k to sell your votes.

Thanksful:
Some of you don't know how things work. The banker that told you that, does he know what a budget is?

Do he even know how many sectors a country operates on?

Check the budgets of states in the United States. Those budgets have ran for years yet they are deficient in infrastructure.

This mind set is why many fail in government. They think there is too much money to work with.

I do not agree with you that Nigeria is poor. The poverty in the country is that of the mind and ideas. It is a country that has been governed by men that are largely without vision. In fact, there is no Nigerian president that is fit to be the CEO of a company, except Peter Obi to some extent. That is why we need to be sure that he is not a flash in the pan. No country can cancel Nigeria's debt. Do you know why? There's wealth, massive wealth but mostly stolen by a thieving political class. Do you know what that means? You mostly have thieves occupy political offices in Nigeria.

otipoju:
As an aspirant himself with no power of any office, How was he he supposed to fight Aspirants that were bribing delegates with 20,15 and 10 thousand dollars.

What exactly was he supposed to do. Beat them. Kill them, beg them ?? He has done the honourable thing and left the place for them to pursue his ambition on another platform thereby exposing them for all to see.

That is the best he could do in those circumstances.

In agree with you to some extent that he needed to exit PDP, but the fact still remains that he has been in the party for years and knows how corrupt Nigerian politicians are. Couldn't he have preempted this situation earlier and built a party or a coalition of formidable parties? Granted, he has a great name and reputation, but how will that translate to victory in a crooked system with the likes of Tinubu and Atiku ready to buy and sell people's consciences?

In Imo state, the people look back and say that their first governor was outstanding. Sam Mbakwe embarked on massive industrialization of the state, opened up rural areas by building roads and connecting them to the national grid. He borrowed massively but people saw the outcome as airport, roads, industries and pipe borne water to their homes. If the military didn't stop his roadmap, I'm sure that in Imo, people would have had gas piped to their homes like in Europe and US. So the question is, I want evidence to show that Peter Obi is not just one-eyed man in the land of the blind (Nigerian crooked politicians who have nothing upstairs and so nothing to deliver downstairs).

27Pushing30:
People support him because “he is a modest man”

Politicians are yahoo boys and Nigerians are the maga cos Nigerians keep falling for same “format”no no new update at all

I agree that he is modest, honest and all. What I am asking is, with what I heard and still hear about him, I'll want to see things on ground, whether human capital or otherwise that shows that the revolution has started in Anambra. Are their politicians NOW different from the Nigerian crooks all over the place parading as leaders? How has the state become exemplary and a model after Obi? We are used to all these window pictures. Don't get me wrong, I believe that Obi is the best but who are we comparing him with. What we have had in Nigeria are mediocre leaders. From Obasanjo to YarAdua to Jonathan to Buhari, there has never been an outstanding leader. Now we have Peter Obi, who sounds very intelligent and with a road-map. How has that translated in real-time for Anambra that he led? For me, Anambra should be competing with Singapore or Europe for me to believe that there is a black man with the capacity to do something remarkable.

How much will the winner steal to recoup and make gain. Business is booming...

One banker told me that with the sort of money in this country, if politicians were working with just 10%, that this country would be competing with Europe.
With the hype around Peter Obi, there has been two questions in my mind. If he is as good as people say, why isn't Anambra close to becoming like Europe? Granted, a few times I have passed through the state, it does seem to have the best road network when compared to any other state I've been to. But in terms of massive development, I haven't noted that it is fantastically different from any other Nigerian state.

Furthermore, Peter Obi doesn't seem to have the will to fight. How can he stop the vultures bleeding the country dry if he couldn't even fight the PDP crooked politicians to a standstill? Unless there's something I'm missing, the odds against Peter in his quest to make Nigeria a working country is too high. It may just be just it - hype, since the negro race has not been known to know how to get things done. Peter may just be any other Nigerian politician, after all, Buhari was once a messiah you all were waiting for.

Probably a fake pastor like many others

Frigga13:
Truth is scary to an average Yoruba like you
Keep believing and living in your Yoruba propaganda

The impish Yoruba god Must Contest
MUST!

Just as Tinubu force people
Buhari will force all Yoruba to que .. like the convention.. even Aketi the fool bowed after his useless noise
Yoruba must bow

They have no choice .. they must go the primaries and be disgraced before the decamp
Or be on ballot .. must be the collect

Nigerians are waiting for Tinubu and Yoruba on ballot

That’s reality

The latest is that INEC deadline has been made to make it impossible for the druggie to have room to maneuver. They'll all go home and nurse their wounds. The humiliation will be complete since they were made to believe it's their party too. Imagine Yariiba fooled to believe they've been rolling with the big boys just because Osinbajo was made in charge of distribution of 5k tradermoni

NeckingNgulping:
You think he could have left if the odds were in his favour at PDP? No, i don't think so..

He was able to foresee the future and the fact that their unscrupulous acts won't favour him. That's why he jumped ship. Mind you, i don't have anything against Peter Obi. I don't just have any trust for politicians..

I can bet your trust is in Buhari