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WORDWORLD:
You are so ASHAMED to quote the verse for all to read.

Well it reads: "HE IS NOT THE GOD OF THE DEAD BUT GOD OF THE LIVING. YOU ARE THEREFORE MISTAKEN"

Let me ask you. WHO DIED ON THE CROSS? WAS IT GOD? ARE WE MISTAKEN THAT GOD CANNOT DIE?

op ... "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? Mark 12:24

The pharisees could not answer this question on the Messiah, perhaps you can:
the Messiah?
35 While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David? 36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’ [ h ]
37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”
Mark 12:35-37

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WORDWORLD:
Thank you Lord Jesus. meaning?

Jesus is God Himself and the Son of Himself? Scholar8200 who do you Worship?

... ye therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:27b

Thank you Lord Jesus!

viqueta:
How other staffs in the office see IT Admins.......

Computer refuses to come on, they scream IT..... when you come you will discover that they didn't plug in the power cable

Printer refuses to print, they scream IT when you finally get there you discover that they didn't load paper

AC refuses to work, they scream IT, come and check why this AC is not working

Coffee maker refuses to work, they scream IT, come and make it work

Their cell phones doesn't have network, they scream IT, why can't i make calls, madam am i your service provider?

Car refuses to start, they be like call that IT guy may be he can fix it, errr sir, but i don't even have a car in the first place

Office door refuses to open, they call IT, but madam am not a carpenter na

please we are IT admins, we love our jobs no doubt but we are not MAGICIANS #lifeofanITadmin #ITisfun #ITrules

What skills are to be possessed by a would be IT admin especially for one that does not have a degree in IT ?

rexben:
Lol
Pls, must you always respond. Pls, understand my thread before you respond.
My threads are not borne out of jealousy. They are borne out of obeying Jesus and witnessing Jesus.
Don't get it twisted. I'm not witnessing about the Jesus Christians preach ooo.

And how does my reply suggest any of these?


Out of the abundance of your heart.....

Next time you open a thread just tell me to steer clear and I promise to obey.

rexben:
What are you saying?

Exactly what you just read! If you have questions, be specific and ask them.

rexben:
The God of the old testament asked His people to utterly destroy their enemies without sparing any, while on the contrary the God of the new testament asked His children to love their enemies.

First, did the God of the OT allow the enemies of the Israelites destroy them? If yes, why? And lest you spread this rather lopsided version I hope you realise that Love was commanded in the OT:

Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

[size=18pt]Deuteronomy 10:19[/size]

Note that God did not bid them do to strangers what Egypt did to them.

Now who is the stranger and who is the enemy?How was Israel to differentiate and on what basis did a stranger graduate into an enemy? And why did Israel suffer the same fate in the hands of enemies at some point?

That is for your Bible study.

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a human being, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it happen?
Num 23:19
But he is unchangeable, and who can change him? Whatever he has desired, he does.
Job 23:13

HAlleluyah!

If God does not change, it means God of the old testament is different from the new testament. So, which one is the supreme God? Is it the old testament's God or the new testament's God?
Or if God does not change, it means God was portrayed wrongly either in the old testament or new testament. So, where was portrayed wrongly, is it in the old or new testament?

God remains the same!

WORDWORLD:
WHEN WHAT? WHEN LIFE IS OVER? YOU REALLY MUST BE A LIVING DEAD!!!! YOU BETTER BE COCK SURE YOUR DESTINATION. YOU SOUND SO UNCERTAIN!!!

your opinion that! Neither expresses reality or change who I am

CHRISTIANS are the worst sinners! How many of them have you met?

Op, blaspheming wont change anything; infact, its just the opinion of one out of over 6 billion. Dont let NL give you a false feeling of being a leader of thought. In any case, one thing that occurred to me, (having scanned through your vitriolic post) is what I have always said namely:

God in the Bible is not the same as your Allah;
Jesus Whom the Bible proclaims is not the same as the other Jesus that is in the Quran;
All the prophets you find in the Bible are NOT the same as the ones you have in your Quran.
( For example, David fell into adultery and was judged for it, he also wrote psalms expressing his penitence but the one in the Quran was said to be sinless, if you claim that the Injil was corrupted, what is to be said about historical records of David's sin and his repentance?Were those also added and for what reason? Then Solomon, generations after and Nehemiah still referred to Solomon's sin in Nehemiah 13:26,27 yet the Quran says he was sinless! Was Nehemiah a Nairalander trying to 'twist' history then?).

Calling The Lord Jesus those names, you are not the first. The pharisees did exactly the same using similar words so at least you have a company!

In conclusion, when life is o'er, we shall understand it better!

tonyx4x44:
Numbers 15:32-36King James Version (KJV)



Wait na the same loving Christian God?

YES! Apart from Love, He exalts His Word more than His Name.

Were they warned then? Yes!

FriendChoice:
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Christian god have sex (fornication) with mere mortal and virgin woman called Mary may Allah be pleased her. Then the one and only son of God was born or God was born.

For those who will explain the biblical meaning of "Begotten" I have already find it.

Greatest Blasphemy Ever.

Op, to be honest, no one can explain this to you. You will not get a satisfactory answer.

However, this shows that God in the Bible is not the same as Allah in the Quran.

Hopefully when life is o'er, we'll know better.

Niflheim:
@dinxy,

Karl Marx was only trying to warn them of the dangers ahead, but rather than be grateful to him(post-humously), they preferred to label him as a Devil-Worshiper and an Agent of Lucifer!!! But on the other hand, the pastor who tells christians to eat live snakes(uncooked and unboiled) and drink petrol(unsubsidized and underegulated) is labelled a saint and a hero!!!

If Stupidity were an Olympic Sport..............................................the christians will win the gold medal every single time!!!

Thanks a lot for this! . It's one of those many compliments. The thread speaks of religion but it was gracious of you to single out the Christians (what a privilege to be one!)

raphieMontella:
No no no no...this is inardvently wrong...

The ipuwer papyrus is a poem and a ''treatise'' on political ethics...and does not depict the ''exodus''...
It explicitly talks about the ''tides of wealth''..that it rotates like a ''potters wheel''
The papyrus's original composition is dated to the late ''middle kingdom'' (c1850-1650BCE)
while the biblical exodus date is 1446BC(from the bible are 1 Kgs 6:1, Judg 11:26 and 1 Chr 6:33–
37)...

The disparity of the dates between the Ipuwer and Exodus documents is enough to know its not about the ''exodus''
even ''TOP'' Biblical sites know this and refrain from equating the papyrus to the exodus...
As seen here


this is actually confirmation of what
we(biblical skeptics) have been saying;that the bible is a complilation of texts copied from older works and civilizations like in the case of the ten commandments(42 principles of maat(egypt);etc...

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Even the supposed parallels are not sincerely parallels..
The ''parallels'' arise when one does a ''cut and join'' of separate statements,axing of statements and cherry picking...



1) Like the statement ''the river is blood'' which is said to be a plague from yahweh...
Ipuwer clearly states the reason for the ''river being blood'' is that people are killing each other and the dead are being buried/thrown into the river and crocodiles feast on them as if they were fish(a bloodbath)

2)according to Ipuwer the source of the famine is a > failure to farm due to the state of anarchy in the land....NOT ''LOCUSTS''

3)[b]it clearly states the fact that its Asiatics are arriving
in Egypt rather than leaving


4)the death of the princes in the ipuwer are less cryptic and is alluded to humans doing the killings NOT A SUPERNATURAL FORCE OR SO

6)the ipuwer never says the ''cattles died''...it says they ''weep'' because there is no one to ''gather them''

7)the supposed ''plague of hail'' is constructed by selective picking of four + separate events..

in its end...it describes better days as was the intent of the poem as shown in the beginning of the treatise---''the land turns like a potters wheel''...



Baba..abeg download/read the full translation of the ipuwer papyrus yourself and see for yourself...

Alright, your source was not quoted. Besides why on Earth and who named that place Nuwaybah Al Muzzayinah?

Read through major parts and found that your man had No conversion experience! Just born into a religious environment and some efforts to conform outwardly to same! What do you expect? Sure he would write a book with that title,afterall his belief was also imaginary!

raphieMontella:
okay...i'd reconsider taking the bible as truth when you can provide an egyptian record of the exodus...(the egyptians took record of virtually anything)...
Or just half a record....

Go here!
http://ohr.edu/838

The ten plagues are probably one of the most famous aspects of the Exodus story. If the plagues were historical events as recorded by Moses, then there should be some fragment of evidence describing their catastrophic consequences. In fact, there is a papyrus in the Leiden Museum in Holland which provides a graphic portrayal eerily reminiscent of the biblical account. There is no consensus among archaeologists as to when it was originally penned An excerpt reads:

… Plague stalks through the land and blood is everywhere … Nay, but the river is blood. Does a man drink from it? As a human he rejects it. He thirsts for water … Nay, but gates, columns and walls are consumed with fire…Nay but the son of the high-born man is no longer to be recognized … The stranger people from outside are come into Egypt … Nay, but corn has perished everywhere…Everyone says ‘there is no more.’20
from: http://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match#ref20

Besides, we should ask the Israelites, is this part of their history?

raphieMontella:
1. "First, the site of the Exodus route, as described in Exodus 14:1, is highly disputed.
Conservative scholarship strongly
argues that Israel crossed the Gulf of Suez and not the Gulf of Aqaba, as Wyatt contended.
'2. "Second, Wyatt claimed that he was using simple recreational scuba equipment when he discovered these
wheels, etc., at a depth of some 200 feet in the Gulf. However, ordinary scuba
apparatus is designed to accommodate only a depth of approximately 125-130
feet. Beyond this, more sophisticated equipment is required."
3.Pharaoh’s army was said to have
been destroyed “in the middle of the sea” (Exodus 14:23) which, according to measurements of the British Admiralty, is
almost 2,800 feet deep in the midst of Aqaba. This hardly harmonizes with Wyatt’s 200 feet “discoveries”!"
4. "Then there is the issue of the “bones”
— of both horses and men — that Wyatt
reputedly found. Recall that the
destruction of Pharaoh’s army took
place about 3,500 years ago. Compare
this with the following facts. The Titanic went down in 1912 and 1,553 people were lost in the wreckage. In 1985, 73years following that Atlantic catastrophe,
the submerged vessel was discovered and explored. Specially designed underwater TV and video equipment was employed; in addition, more than 53,000 photos were taken. The remains of not a solitary person — neither skin nor bone — was found. Everything had been completely consumed by fish, crustaceans, and the destructive effect of salt water."...

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the ''allegded discovery'' -#problems
1) no independent peer-reviewed
examination by archaeologists and other specialists
2)If what Wyatt found is factual, Egyptian authorities including representatives from the Museum in Cairo would have gone to the site, confirmed the
findings, secured the site, and then excavated the site of its valuable artifacts. Such a find would have been newsworthy and did get some television coverage around the world.

3)According to Exodus 12:37–38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on
foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.
There's still no evidence for this huge amount of ''nomadics'' across the gulf of alqaba for fourty years
4)the plagues...the huge number of masses lost to this supposed plague--death of army,,sons,,no drinkable water,,loss of harvest etc(egypt's populace at the supposed time was about 3.5m...such plagues would have taken a huge hit on the populace and on the economy and archaelogy evidence would support this)


cc4evergod rock100 winner01 scholar8200 ...

sire, first wipe out nuwayba al muzayyinah from history and ancient maps then all these attempted refutation will be reconsidered!

ROCK100:
It pains me seeing men taken captive by that hopeless, defeated, little lucifer; men who were made higher than even the Angels of God.
Man's worst enemy isn't satan but IGNORANCE; satan only exploits man's ignorance -Isaiah 5:13-15; Hosea 4:6.

In Peter the Apostle's words, the once here on NL are:
.... willingly ... ignorant of, ... the word of God ... 2 Peter 3:5

mustymatic:
And it's called abrogation

a prophecy fulfilled cannot be said to have been abrogated (repealed).

ROCK100:
When I was working on this documentary, I came by a topic in this forum: www.nairaland.com/953340/israelites-never-crossed-red-sea
and I asked myself why it must just be nairaland, of all the places in the world.
The level of hatred for God here is quite alarming!
Well, we(Christians) are here now; we won't let satan have a field day.
satan has already been defeated -over 2000 years ago!

soundly defeated. And his minions here would be proved to be the liars that he is!

mustymatic:
Abrogation may refer to:

The abolition or repeal of a law, institution, custom etc. Cf. Obrogation
abrogatio, the Latin term for legal annulment under Roman law
Abrogation of Old Covenant laws, the ending or setting aside of Old Testament stipulations for the New Testament
Denunciation (international law) of a treaty
Canceling of effects, To nullify; make void
Abrogation doctrine, a doctrine in United States constitutional law
Naskh (tafsir) (Arabic for abrogation), a genre of Islamic exegesis dealing with conflicting material in Islamic law

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrogation
I hope that this is sufficient

But the NT fulfills the Old! And when a prophecy has been fulfilled, we move on from that point of fulfillment.

Ebiezprada:
Hello ladies and gentlemen, this has been an issue on my mind for sometime now.
I've always known sunday to be the first day of the week and saturday to be the seventh day of the week and according to the holy bible, God rested on the seventh day after His work of creation for six days.
Over time, I've heard preachers say sunday is the sabbath day while there are churches who actually worship on saturdays and claim it to be the ideal sabbath day.
I need your ideas and thoughts with reasons on which day you think is the ideal sabbath day.

The sabbath you find in the law is Saturday.

The sabbath was mentioned in Genesis 2:1,2; and was also integrated into the law for the Israelites Exodus 20:8. But note that at NO time was the sabbath observed by Abraham yet he, inherited the promise, was declared righteous by faith etc

The poster below falsely claims Abraham kept the sabbath but cannot prove this. Before the law, there is NO evidence that anyone kept the sabbath! At least circumcision was given and we have details of how Abraham did it!

Besides, the law had its role: Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal. 3:24,25

However, neither Jesus nor the Apostles commanded keeping of the sabbaths as a requirement for salvation. In fact the above must have been the reason why the Church met on sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection which they called the Lord's day.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Revelation 1:10 See Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinth 16:2,3 (also see for better understanding of Lord's day http://biblehub.com/commentaries/revelation/1-10.htm)

Others like Enoch, Noah etc what we find is that they walked with God, just like Abraham, by faith!

Bare this in mind:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of[b[size=18pt] the sabbath days:[/size]

17 Which [size=18pt]are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.[/size][/b]

Colossians 2:16,17

Anyone who claims to keep the sabbath today(as found in the law) but does not keep the other sabbaths(there are others in the law too) is deceiving himself in the midst of a great misunderstanding.

It is with great pleasure I announce to all that:

By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned Hebrews 11:29

mustymatic:
[/b]
The new testament as the christians claim is the perfect example of abrogation of the old

Prove this.

EyeHateGod:
Dragons And Butterfly

beautiful animals those!

4everGod:
For you to understand why the choice of the hebrew word you need to understand the ancient eastern israeli cosmology and why God allowed them to express themselves in their own language.

I am well versed in this so don't go there.

Besides this thread is not about the earths shape but about the red sea crossing so do not derail as you all wish to do.

I recommend you insist another thread for this lest the essence of this thread be derailed.

[quote author=EyeHateGod post=50021077][/quote]Which animals?

4everGod:
For you to understand why the choice of the hebrew word you need to understand the ancient eastern israeli cosmology and why God allowed them to express themselves in their own language.

I am well versed in this so don't go there.

Besides this thread is not about the earths shape but about the red sea crossing so do not derail as you all wish to do.

In summary, archaeology has proved,irrefutably and indisputably, that the the Exodus actually took place and all this implies. Until anyone can go all the way to disprove this with facts (if they can), the Bible was, is and remains TRUE!

4everGod:
eeyah even you do not know the earth is Spherical...Spherical is a circle... Keyboard warrior

he is being anachronistic.

EyeHateGod:
like the earth is Flat?

Where did the Bible say that? What I know the Bible says is:

It is he that sitteth upon [size=18pt]the circle of the earth[/size],...
Isaiah 40:22a

EyeHateGod:
.Maybe i should mean religious institutions??

Again,not all.