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Oh what a loss! This man's cartoons!!! Well, he died at a good old age, full of years and I trust has been gathered to the One Who died for Him and now lives forever.

pr0blem:
You're not listening to yourself. The serpent as mentioned by Jesus himself is a shadow of himself. Moses (shadow of God) put up the Serpent (Jesus) for the people, for a one-off usage. That passage you brought up in first kings detailed how the Children of Israel still burned incense to the brasen serpent

Was there any command that such should be done for deliverance or any reason afterwards?

Did Paul not say "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more" [2 Cor 5:16]. Christ in the flesh (Jesus of Nazareth) was for a one-off cause (the Cross). Which should thus be discarded after the show, isn't it? - That's my question.

What was the purpose of the Cross? Are people still in need of salvation today? What is the Divinely commanded means of salvation today?

It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to believe the message [/b]I told you—unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place.

3 I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me. [b]Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said. 4 He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said
1 Corinth 15:2-4

Furthermore:
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[g] Romans 10:13

Lastly:

Therefore he is able, once and forever, to save[e] those who come to God through him.
Hebrews 7:25a

Is HE to be discarded?No! When we believe the Gospel and express that faith/belief by calling on Him(that rose up) in Prayer (as the Only Saviour) we will be saved.

pr0blem:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up" - John 3:14. Why do people still worship Jesus, if he came to serve just one purpose, and to be discarded after. Has Christianity not missed it somewhere?

Rather you missed my point. The serpent lifted up is the one that served a one-off purpose (as John 3:14 shows) , NOT Jesus! Where were the Israelites asked to depend on it after that time? That's the meaning of a one-off usage.

ojobolinda:
Wow, thanks for dat scripture.

We thank God.

theoneJabulani:
I would not call it love if He is threatening us with a fiery abyss

Threatening? Of course not! Would you consider it a threat if a teacher told a student, " If you dont study, you may fail your exams and repeat the class while others are being promoted"

Seun:
This is plagiarism. I don't believe you wrote this text and drew these pictures by yourself. As a Christian, don't you think plagiarism is a sin?

Prove it with verifiable evidence! (afterall atheists would not believe without evidence!)

sonofthunder:
Did they worship or bow to the brazen serpent?
see ^ for more clarity.

Excellent input. In fact, consider this:
He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
2 Kings 18:4

It served just one purpose and was to be discarded. Note that the Serpent was made at God's command for a one-off use with a Substance in mind.

ojobolinda:
I have so many catholic friends around me. And whenever i try to let them understand that d Bible is against bowing down to images according to Exodus 20:3—6, they tend to argue their way out and justify their action with what happened in Numbers 21:8—9.

Jesus already explained why God gave them that similitude in John 3:14. Hence, it's not an allowance for us to bow before images today (even real angels rejected that).

Etesam:
Man is wholly resposible for the choices he makes.

How would you explain cases of demon possession?

GRIMMJOE:
If after seeing the picture below and you still think there a God,then your not human

Cos no God with feeling will just sit by
note; there are much more worst things going on

I might be ban for this but,am will to take the risk

oga, that is gross! Is there a devil?

ifenes:
The true God is your mind. You can write whatever you want. It all comes from your state of mind. That's the real God.

And the devil is.....?

felixomor1:
Ability to know the future doesnt cancel or remove the ability to express emotions.
Both abilities are different and non dependent on each other.

Excellent!


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simplex2:
Welcome dear, you are at the right path of self-discovery. Only the truth shall set you free.







Pls stop answering their questions: they are looking for holes in your story so that they will start blabbing about how you were never a christian in the first place. Thats what they did to Hardmirror: its their usual style.

Relax, why should we not be interested?! This is the religious section and here is a thread of one (who says he used to be a devoted christian) who just expressed something he is going through, what then?

A religious person just came to the religious section to express his issues with religion, next atheist swarm around him to egg him on, is that not desperation?

Akdegreat:
I don't mind

Alright bro, let's hear it.

Akdegreat:
Must I fast everyday and pray 10 times a day before God reveals himself to me? That sounds ridiculous though.

However, I studied the Bible diligently. In fact I could spend hours on it. I was a worshipper, like David. I was a pianist and I worshipped in songs. I stayed clear of sin too.

You said you were a devoted christian. Would you mind telling us briefly how you became one?

menxer:
Hahahahahahahaha

The same that persecuted Jesus for interpreting the law differently: I and the father are one , remember?

Which law was so misinterpreted?

menxer:
It is on record Jesus was tempted in the wilderness for forty days and forty nights, I understand that to mean he was learning to control the pranic forces.
I hope you won't ask me what Prana is?

This is a case of reading into the Bible! The temptations and the tempter were recorded, whence this lies of yours?

Once he understood how to control those forces, he could apply it to any condition (healing, raise dead, turn water to wine) using any method he deems fit.

You sound very much like the pharisees," this man doth not cast out devils but by Beelzebub".

Ironically, what was the question that man on the cross put to Jesus?
Did he not answer it by "saving" (raising) himself from dead?

Now listen to a witness:

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.Acts 2:32

Jesus never said we should put him on a pedestal to be worshipped but that we could do more than he did.

Only if we believe (DEPEND) on Him!

Verily, verily, I say unto you, [size=18pt]He that believeth on me[/size], the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father
John 14:12

Kalatium:
In the book of Genesis, we learn that Abraham married his sister Sarah, but during the time of moses God did not allow an israelites to marry his sister. Could it be that God allow incest before the emergence of the law?

Let these answer you:

God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

(Acts 14:15b, 16 and Romans 5:13)

Why then where some people judged before the law? The same reason for which Cain was judged, rebellion against God's revelation (either directly or otherwise)

shadeyinka:
3. We Sign the Matriculation Oath:
[size=14pt]Since there is a guarantee of receiving because we believe in Gods solution[/size]; His sacrifice, we append our signature (affirmation and promise) to live by the rules of the University of Heaven.
-avoid sin (a life of purity)
-serve the Lord in Love
-Love others as yourselves etc

Exactly!!! That faith is essential. It implies meaning and being mindful of what we said after prayer!This helped a lot in my case. There was no initial special feeling etc but a faith that believed since I have done all required(repentance and faith), God will be faithful to do His, and a carefulness to avoid anything that will suggest i was not meaning to be true. Assurance of sonship came through the Spirit's leading 2/3 days later.

shadeyinka:
I agree with you in the sense that grace DOES NOT give us license to misbehave as children of God.

Living Right is an evidence that we have the Holy Spirit who lives through us because we have received His Grace.

A so called Christian perpetually living in unrighteousness may never have been Born Again.


If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature...but if there be a "christian" who is not a new creature, then, he may have assumed that he is Born Again. Jesus doesn't know him!

Thank God for this input! We are saved by grace through faith. Having being saved, we dont remain slaves to sin (making empty affirmations but denying the power thereof). There is a transformation of life made possible by the working of He that worketh in us mightily!

MDGsVISIBLE:
Scholar8200...well done Bro.
Pls can yu explain Rev 17, is thier any. Corelation btween d passage & hillary(US)

vs 1 & 2 , 18 shows that there is no correlation at all as the woman was used as a symbol of a city.

2. Pls in Mattew 1 vs 17..after Christ d next fourteen generation ll b when interm of years.
Thanks sir

That is not for us to consider. And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Acts 1:7

Hence attempting to prognosticate the likely time of Christ's return based on past events is a mistake! Who in Israel realised that between the 69th and 70th week there was going to be a break of over 2 milleniums for the Church age?

Let's just occupy till He comes, whenever that will be.

OLAADEGBU:
What sort of fruit does the Holy Spirit produce in the life of a believer?

LOVE! Self-denying, Calvary-inspired, Indwelling Christ revealing Love.

And .....

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I read this from a book and felt it may be relevant here, enjoy
https://www.raptureready.com/resource/brengle/ancient02.html

analice107:
But, in a case where Brother is seeking guidance and Gods guides him to me, and brother finds me, don't you think the period that we use in putting stuff in order or we use in arranging for the marriage can be termed as courtship?

Not really. There will be a lot to put in place on both sides and no time for meeting together.

analice107:
No not in "Zaa oza room"

The other room
Where a woman pretends
To be weak,
So that a man
Can believe he is strong.

Where a woman pretends
To be foolish,
So that a man
Can say he is wise.

Where a woman stoops
So that a man can conquer.

The other room,
Where gods of men
Become worshippers of women,
Where leaders of thought
Become minions
Of the bleeders of blood.
Where wielders of power
Succumb to power.

The other room,
Where the brashness of testosterone
Yields to the bra straps of estrogen.

Where the bravado of masculinity
Is tamed by the wiles of femininity.
Where the turgid
Becomes the flaccid.

Three rooms
In a house
One in which a man
Believes he is king
Two in which
He realises
A woman is god!

No, not in Zaa rum

an ode to the other room!

tintingz:
JOHN 8:58 BEFORE Abraham was, I AM
JOHN 8:58

Does John 8:58 prove the the doctrine of the trinity, which states that Jesus the Son of God is CO ETERNAL with Almighty God?

Precisely!

Or does John 8:58 prove the doctrine of the deity of Jesus as himself being ALMIGHTY God the great I AM THAT I AM, which we read about in Exodus 3:14, which says,

No, this contradicts other passages in both OT and NT.

“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you.”

In John 8:58 Jesus says, Verily verily, BEFORE Abraham was, I AM. So the question has been asked, “Is Jesus saying he IS THE I AM, as in, Is Jesus saying that he is THE ALMIGHTY God, when Jesus says the words “I AM”?”

Consider these:

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 10:33
Jesus did not deny these accusations because both were True!

Then another question is asked, “Does Jesus saying the words “I AM” mean that Jesus pre existed for all eternity like Almighty God? In other words, was Jesus as the SON of Almighty God ALWAYS in existence WITH Almighty God the Father in that Jesus the Son of God had NO BEGINNING?

Absolutely! To take a contrary position is to contradict other passages.

Let us begin this study in God word by reading this verse in the CONTEXT of where it is found. First we will deal with the question of whether or not Jesus is saying that he is the great I AM, the ONE TRUE and ONLY ALMIGHTY God. Then further on in this study is God's word we will address the question of whether or not Jesus is co eternal with Almighty God the great I AM.

John 8:12-59.
“Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

13. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, You bear record of yourself; your record is not true.

14. Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

15. You judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

16. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am NOT ALONE, but I AND the Father that SENT me.

17. It is also written in your law, that the testimony of TWO men is true. (Jesus plainly states that there are TWO that bear witness all the way through this entire passage of scripture, which teaches us that Jesus is NOT saying that he himself is ALMIGHTY God the great I AM, who alone is the FATHER. In other words, IF Jesus was truly saying that he himself IS the I AM, then Jesus would be saying that he is the FATHER himself.)

18. I am ONE that bear witness of myself, and the Father that SENT me bears witness of me. (in other words, Almighty God the Father is ONE witness and Jesus the SON of God is witness number TWO, which teaches us that Jesus and the Father are NOT ONE and the SAME being, but rather they are TWO separate individual persons or beings that AGREE or have the same WITNESS)

19. Then said they unto him, Where is your Father? Jesus answered, You neither know me, nor my Father: if you had known me, you should have known my Father also. (here again we see Jesus speaking of TWO separate persons)


42. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded FORTH and came FROM God; neither came I OF MYSELF, but HE SENT me.
(so again we see that Jesus is NOT identifying himself as BEING the one who sent himself. Jesus is clearly teaching us that he was sent BY the great I AM who is Almighty God.)

50. And I seek not mine OWN glory: there is one that seeks and judges.
(here we see that Jesus does not honor himself, but rather Jesus honors his Father. So again we see two separate persons, the great I AM THAT I AM and his SON Jesus.)

54. Jesus answered, If I honor MYSELF, my honor is nothing: it is MY Father that honors me
(again please notice again that Jesus is speaking of his Father, the great I AM THAT I AM as being a SEPARATE person from himself); of whom you say, that he is your God:

Of course HE was sent by the Father. But remember Philipians 2:3-7

56. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see MY DAY: and he saw it, and was glad.
(HOW did Abraham see the DAY of the Messiah, when the Messiah had NOT YET COME? I will comment on this question in a moment.)

57. Then said the Jews unto him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?

58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, (or Truly truly) I say unto you, BEFORE Abraham was, I am.

59. Then took they up stones to cast at him:
(not because Jesus was saying that he was ALMIGHTY God the Father, who alone is the great I AM THAT I AM, but rather because they did NOT believe that Jesus was the Messiah. You see the context of the previous chapters teach us that the Jew wanted to kill Jesus for breaking the Sabbath day by healing the sick on the Sabbath. The truth of the matter is that these Jewish leaders did not want to loose any of their followers to become a follower of Jesus so they picked up stones to stone him for whatever reason they could find),
but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”
http://www.amatteroftruth.com/john-5-58-before-abraham-was-i-am

This highlighted contradicts John 5:18 and 10:33 that shows why they wanted to stone Him, not Messiah-ship! In fact, nothing was said by Jesus about Him being accepted as the Messiah there!

shadeyinka:
My experience is that people rarely do proper courtship this days!

My wife and I stumbled on the principle while we were courting. It gave us a very deep foundation. Honestly, I still give thanks for it. We read between ourselves over 30 different christian marriage books within the 2 years of our engagement.

that's much, do you still read those books in the same manner today?

shadeyinka:
If you look at the content of marriage vows, you will conclude that even Christians don't take the vows seriously

Would you......take .......to be your lawful wedded wife

Version A: I, ____, take you, ____, to be my wife (or husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to God's holy law, and this is my solemn vow.


Version B: Groom: I,____, take thee,_____, to be my wedded Wife, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I plight thee my troth.

We concentrate on the ceremony and forget that we made a vow before God.

It is better not to make a vow than to make one before God and then break it.

I guess the problem is that we don't know the definition of Love or Submission!

Very true. Now this leads us to something much overlooked: most Christians know nothing about Divine Guidance and the need for continual recourse to God along the way. Why? The only time some take Divine Guidance serious is when they get to marriage. Anyone who knows about Divine Guidance will realise that once you get God's mind on something, there is need for commitment therein else there will be repercussions. Meaning, its almost like a vow that demands commitment has been taken when you seek and receive God's guidance.

If this was understood, courtship wont be necessary! We will realise that only God matters and difficulties externally or in the other person would always be taken back to Him!

Muafrika2:
Scholar8200
I do agree on the importance of divine guidance and it's superiority to other considerations. Though I would not advice on dependence on any third parties for the same. People should train their spirits to distinguish right from wrong and to hear from God.

By 3rd party what I meant was the couple being convinced first then having a confirmation from God as He may seem fit on the basis of every word being confirmed in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses the use of 3 here being a safeguard to the couple being deceived by emotion or sight.

Muafrika2:
Scholar8200
Let's also not forget that the individualistic nature of today's society makes a lot of dangerous people in the society. People no longer take words, oaths and promises seriously. Not even marriage. So parents have to be extra careful.

How careful can we get? Even a marriage that comes after long courtship and full parental caution and involvement still fails! Why not therefore make the main thing, the main thing (Divine Guidance) and leave the extraneous that adds no real advantage? Once there are 3 witnesses namely couple and a spiritual leader regarding leading, that should be all. If long courtships fail, why waste time thereon?

Besides, these days, that courtship time is usually spent in giving a false assurance that you finally found the angelic sister/''jim-jim"brother of your dreams, no thanks to the pretence and hypocrisy. You know what? This might increase divorce cases because after the journey to the altar alters the alter egos into their true selves hence the expectations and fantasies, intensified by courtship, crashes suddenly and , in some cases, may never be restored.

If God is truly leading you, and there are witnesses, wanting a period of hanging on, except if HE leads you so to do, sounds like Moses wanting to send spies after he had been told to move in, the result was a fall from faith to sight!

For an in-depth analysis of John 8:58
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/8-58.htm

For an in-depth analysis of I AM
http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/1510.htm

So what was misinterpreted?

item4biz:
for some days now i have being worried about how people are fast at informing people about mmm and how people easily join the mmm platform. As a Christian, winning soul to the kingdom of Christ is our primary goal and assignment on earth. I thought to myself, how many souls have i won to my saviour and how many have I invited over to mmm? well, maybe non except those i just registered and still pay for them. I just want to use this opportunity to tell all my fellow Christians who have not had a second thought about mmm that, your soul and that of others matters the most to God not all the bonuses and 30% we gain from mmm. Let us preach the gospel, lets share testimony of how God has done great things for us, lets take time out to preach to as many we have invited to join mmm. they have become your friends now, use the opportunity to invite them to fellowships, share tracts of life with them, share a bible passage with them, pray with them. and above all let them know God is the only Jehovah Jireh- God our great provider. shalom.

I am telling you! The increase of these schemes in the last days is the devil's way of saying:

21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons,(forget about winning them) and take the goods to thyself.
Genesis 14:21