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rexben:
I just checked it. Do you know it was narrated. It was not quoted. He called them apostles and not Jesus said"you're my apostles".

So you mean Jesus never said so? Do you see your problem now cast in bold relief?? (once it does not agree with my opinion it cannot be true) The same mindset makes you write off the other epistles. You better REPENT!!!!

Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:Luke 11:49

Who said this?

rexben:
It was a mistake. I meant Jesus never called His disciples apostles.

so what does Luke 6:13 mean?

ecclezzia:
The General Superintendent, Deeper Life Bible Ministry, Dr. William F. Kumuyi has said that Nigeria will overcome the lingering economic recession.

Click here to read...
http:///news/kumuyi-makes-prophetic-predicton-nigerias-recession/

It is not a prophecy! He is just being optimistic.

Lagos State Will Enforce Six Month Jail Term For Patronizing Street Hawkers
Femi Adesanya July 1, 2016

Akinwunmi Ambode

Following the fall out from an incident where a street hawker was killed in the Maryland axis of Lagos, the Lagos state government is preparing to take tougher measures.



While speaking to Intercontinental Television, Governor Ambode disclosed that his administration will take a tougher stance on the issue of traffic hawking. So strict, even those patronizing traffic hawkers will face a fine of N90,000 or six months in prison.

Lagos state has a law forbidding hawking in traffic and there will now be more stringent efforts to enforce the law. Traffic hawking is commonplace in Lagos and it is not altogether uncommon to see all sorts of items up for sale whenever there’s a traffic congestion.








http://www.informationng.com/2016/07/lagos-state-will-enforce-six-month-jail-term-for-patronizing-street-hawkers.html

analice107:
And Paul, First a lawyer,then a Tent maker.

Thanks a lot! Together with Aquila and Priscilla Acts 18:3. Now op, where they disciples of Jesus or not?

rexben:
You haven't answered my question. Jesus is calling everyone. Jesus never called the 12 apostles, He called them friends, disciples, sheep, little flock etc. Jesus called me and His calling everybody.

Is this deliberate or inadvertent?

New International Version
When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: Luke 6:13

Yes, He calls all to salvation but not all are Apostles.

rexben:
figurative you say? If that is figurative, then other "curses" are figurative too

I should have used the word generic there.

rexben:
What was Jesus doing during His last three and half years of His life? Carpentry works abi?
What did Zebedee's sons do when He called them?
What did Matthew do when He called him? Did he go back to his tax collecting job?
When Jesus calls you, He wants you to forsake all and follow Him Luke 14:33

Interesting!!! So was Jesus living by faith all the while HE was a Carpenter? Answer! Was He therefore violating that portion which you misinterpreted by working as a Carpenter (think twice laddie before answering).

And you here referring to the Apostles, are you called to be one? (Better not say yes to this!)

OLAADEGBU:
Can other gentile nations claim this promise?

yes

Stupedinluv:
Okay thanks. But there is something about your interpretion of salvation that does not sit well me. You might have honest intentions but you can still be wrong too.

I have to be sincere, this is not enough proof of free will. This is just like someone taking only what he wants to hear and smartly avoiding many others that are discomforting.

I use to think "whosoever" means just anybody to God and man but couldnt it be that only God knows those "whosoever" and since his apostles are oblivious of them, that term had to be use.. "whosoever"

If salvation was by man's will, why then should God take all the glory! Surely some flesh must glory in his presence. Or do you think its easy to choose God? God must share his glory with some sinners then.

I will come back later with all the chapters and verses that talk of salvation originating from God.

They are many

I never implied that man gets saved by an exercise of the will!!!(Christ paid it all) but the Gospel call to repent and believe, without which NO ONE can be saved, appeals to the will!!! God's OFFER of salvation must be received and the call is to all!!!







Else was this inspired:


For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 timothy 2: 3,4

HE wills that ALL MEN be saved!

Stupedinluv:
Whats wrong with studying with my own version, king James? You know its more reliable?

vs12" But as many as received him to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

vs13 " Which were^^^ (those in verse 12, who received him) were born, not of blood (not talking of natural birth) nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD"

Born of God! Thats what i am getting from reading this. Honestly, i think people get born again by the power and will of God not theirs.

Prior to this remember i believed in free will?

No problem, consider this:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 1:13

Now were they born before they believed on His Name or after? Of course it's after they believed! Meaning This passage isnt talking of receiving Him or not, rather it talks of the second birth being of God, experienced by those that receive Him by believing on His Name!

Now let's consider this:

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelations 22:17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

It will be wrong to indirectly claim that God qualified that blanket word, "whosoever"! Afterall it says HE loved the World (not a pre-selected few) and for the same World He gave His Son!

Sis, there are no fine prints in God's offer!

Stupedinluv:
But the bible says he wills those who accept? Read it again

John 1:13 follows vs 12 where it had said as many that received Him were given power to become the sons of God. Hence 13 further reveals how that sonship came about after faith namely being born of God. Study that verse in the Amplified version.

VictorRomanov:
Those scriptures are as straight forward as they are. We have a choice to please God, but it is God choice and decision to choose who he wants to be saved

Verse 12 of John chapter 1 shows what we should choose to do.

Salvation is an undeserved kindness. Not something we earn or deserve. This should make us humble and indebted to God.

Blessed be God, He accepts whosoever will!

OLAADEGBU:
What are the lost books of the Bible? Are there any books missing from the Bible? Were some books removed from the Bible?

They are the ones which those who are lost insist should be in the Bible because they , being lost, know nothing about how the Spirit inspires.

OLAADEGBU:
Does 2 Chronicles 7:14 apply to modern nations and/or nations other than Israel?

it applies to the people upon who God's Name is called - Israel (remember Christ has made both one hence Israel includes those in Christ)

Ranchhoddas:
Lol. Impressive sophistry. What about the woman's curse. Why do some women escape it. Is it also figurative?

why care for more sophistry?

rexben:
I'm not working. I depend on God for provisions and He has never failed me. The words of Jesus is fulfilled in your hearing. Do not worry for what you will eat, ... Matt 6:31
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. {Labour not: or, Work not} John 6:27

Besides you have misapllied and misinterpreted the last quote.

rexben:
I'm not working. I depend on God for provisions and He has never failed me. The words of Jesus is fulfilled in your hearing. Do not worry for what you will eat, ... Matt 6:31
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. {Labour not: or, Work not} John 6:27

Do you realize Jesus was a Carpenter (Mark 6:3)? Who are you following mr?

rexben:
He chose who ever He wishes. Since the two has become one flesh, God was asking both and not one person.

be faithful to the passage:

11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me —she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman,
Genesis 3:11- 13
First the man then the woman

Ranchhoddas:
Some people may not even have vocations. Like heirs and heiresses to mega fortunes.

but the intellectual and emotional exertion involved in managing and safeguarding same exceeds the physical exertion of a labourer.
New International Version
The sleep of a laborer is sweet, whether they eat little or much, but as for the rich, their abundance permits them no sleep.
Eccl.5:12

johntredon:
I don't need to show you anything in as much as those verses were evils you need to condemn it and stop accepting it as word of God.

meaning you have nothing to offer, so long!

rexben:
your answering of my question determines my answering of yours.

Meaning for the time being, you have no answer to my question thus the relevance of your thread depends on my answer!

Ranchhoddas:
There are people who live and die without ''eating from their sweat''. Are they somehow exempted from this curse?

That clause is figurative. However, the emotional, intellectual and/or physical exertion is not missing from any vocation.

rexben:
Did you accept that you're still understand the curse? If yes, what did your Apostle Paul said Jesus came to do?

Be nice to answer me first. Besides, why didnt God ask Eve first after they had fallen? Because He held the man accountable just as the Jailor held Joseph accountable for all that happened under his watch while in jail. Genesis 39:22,23

rexben:
The concept of the husband is the head of the wife is evil.
The husband being the head of the wife is a product of the curse which 'God' supposedly cursed Eve when she disobeyed and 'deceived' Adam.
Moses had it recorded this way;
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:16
Christians believe that they were freed from the curse of the law including that of Adam and Eve.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (because it is written, " Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree "
Gal 3:13
If Christians say they are free from the curse of the law, why are they still holding unto the curse that says "and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." by saying the husband is the head of the wife?

It is not consistent with the words of Jesus. Jesus taught about husband and wife.
Lets see what He said;
4 He answered, "Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female , 5 and said, ' For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh '? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate."
Matt 19:4-6
'The two will become one flesh'. Did you see that? They are no longer two,they are one.
So, if the husband is the head, the wife is the head likewise. If the wife is the tail, the husband is the tail likewise because the two have become one.
This is subjugation rather than religion.
Two will become one, it is not that the greater one will be joined to the lesser one.
A husband being the head of his wife is a culture of the world, it is not from God.
If Jesus is the head of the husband,He is evenly the head of the wife and not the husband.

Eating from your sweat was mentioned, is that evil too? If yes, do you go to work?

johntredon:
9). If the husband dies without impregnating the wife, then the "brother" of the dead husband MUST marry his wife. The female CANNOT marry anyone else, but ONLY her dead husband's brother (DEUTERONOMY 25:5).

N:B- [size=18pt]In Christianity[/size], the woman has NO CHOICE, but to marry her dead husband's brother. It is clear which religion is oppressing women.

Now show me a Christian Church where this was (among the early Church), has been(in Contemporary history), is being(at present) practiced today.

johntredon:
[The verse does not say "those who did not defile themselves with fornication or adultery" . Have the verse said that, then it would've included both males and females and there would be nothing to disagree about. But the verse clearly and irrefutably says: "those who did not defile themselves with women ", which means:
(1) No females will be among those men; and
(2) Women are defiling to men.][does it change the fact that those verses were in your Bible and if you people want to collect 10 percent monthly contribution (tithes) from the church members,they would quote verse from Malachi in Old Testament but when it comes to evils in Old Testament you people will distance themselves from Old Testament.]ceremonial parts? try again Mr pastor

ok

lilmax:
come as you were people

Afterwards you dont remain as you were else you didnt encounter Him!

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, [size=16pt]to teach and to[/size] [size=16pt]seduce[/size] my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelations 2:20

Nothing new under the sun!

udatso:
The report about Iceland is false. It's been pointed out already and the op doesn't dispute it.

Thank you.

ifenes:
..

In vain do we find the faintest similarity between these and the Ten Commandments!

wolesmile:
"Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider." - Francis Bacon.


This is not about the popular John 1:1 which the writer of the Gospel of John failed to credit the original writer of those words, Phyllo of Alexandria.

This is about two "divinely inspired" writers of two books of the Bible.

1. The book of Isiah.
The book of Isiah was written, as agreed by Bible scholars, by the prophet Isiah. They also agreed that it was written somewhere between 740 and 680 BC. Isiah was a great Jewish prophet in his time, and many of his prophecies are still subjects of debate till date.

2. The book of Kings
A general agreement is that the author of I and II Kings is unknown. But some Bible scholars believe the books to have been written by the prophet Jeremiah around 562 or 561 BC.


No doubt, both books were written about two centuries apart.
But check the whole of Isiah chapter 37, and the whole of II Kings chapter 19!!!

Were both chapters written through inspiration?
Or one author copied the work of the other? (By inspiration, some will say)
Or that it was an error of compilation?



OLAADEGBU
Truthman2012
Malvisguy
Winner01
King_Ebuka
Anunaki
and the others... please explain o

If the Bible has only One Inspirer through many writers, whither the grounds for plagiarism?

And can you prove Philo wrote John 1:1? Rather we should ask Philo why he tried to steal a belief from his nativity (coining descriptions that also did not originate from him) and prostitute same for the cult he followed!

First, how do you explain your allegation -Insufficient men? Include in your explanation/proof that the 'excess' women are all ripe (and mature enough) for marriage.

Next, Iceland is not a Theocratic nation hence I wonder why you use them as a case study!

Moreover, if you say Insufficient men was used because we have more women than men, I hope you realise that the statistics include aged women and under-aged girls, not to mention widows who decide not to re-marry etc